It's unrefuted because it is nonsense Dusty.

well Id rather not be a voice piece of any politician, espaecially one I know so little about, I was essentially saying let the young decide who arnt tainted by the same misgivings of the old.
That misgiving isnt new, every generation is more accepting than the previous.

My own personal opinion about the supply and demand issue regarding housing is that I am generally incredulous how the old, who have had the luxury of dabling on the housing market, seem to think their personal 'worth' is equal to the amount they artificially made doing nothing.

Agree 100% with that dusty.

brendanuk1
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so the haters think Corbyn will win in 2020, bizarre turn of events!

Haters come in many shapes and sizes; unfortunately for Britain we have had some of the biggest haters of all running the country. Thatcher who hated the unions and the working man. Then we then have new labour who hate themselves and the traditional people culture of this country.
A sorry bunch of bastards indeed.

TheBaron
13 Sep 15 17:06
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There certainly is a sense of entitlement of some older people who if they were starting out today wouldn't have a chance of owning the house they now live in.

They would if population levels were the same as in the past, its only immigration that is driving up property prices.

With the contraceptive pill the population should have fallen and in turn property prices should have leveled off, with some of our shoddy old housing been demolished.

The funny thing is that the same people advocating unlimited immigration from the third world are also the people who constantly spout on about climate change and they don't see the obvious link (assuming that they are right about man made global warming).

That I agree with Injera. Abandoning prudence on lending was another symptom of the madness but allowing markets to correct helps to prevent future booms. Underpinning them and abandoning prudent lending amongst other things as led us to where we are.

I see one of the main tenets of socialism 'the gospel of envy' has raised its ugly head, (lets all blame the old!!!) Of the thousands of socialists I have come across over the years, most had nothing and the problem is they wanted to share it with everyone!!!.

You know it's funny how the people who beseech the rest of us not to scapegoat do exactly that when it suits. Imagine if someone made the leap from an acknowledgement that young black men are disproportionately involved in muggings to an assertion that black people are muggers because in essence Dusty has scapegoated the old in the same way.

The baby boomers (and those a bit younger but who missed the war..)have done very well.

I have a pal who got on the property ladder not once but twice following a divorce where wife #1 took everything.

That would be unthinkable today. We all kbnow folk who bought property in the 60s-80s who are sitting on a pile of cash right now with no mortgage.

Am I jealous? No chance. I say good luck to them all. The Blue Rinse Brigade are putting billions back into the economy and I wish them all the best. I was born a bit later bit envy is for mugs..

Eeternaloptimist     13 Sep 15 15:16 
That is my whole point Facts he won’t be fighting for the white working class will he.

Of course he will be. That's the platform he was elected on. Haven't you listened to any of his pre election speeches ?

I didn't take too much notice of the goings on Facts but if you are right then that would be a refreshing change. Can you point me to any of his speeches or literature which back your statement up?



Excellent speech by Jeremy in Leeds.

Hope you find it inspirational EO


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DhhYnEYnM9A

Eeternaloptimist • September 13, 2015 5:41 PM BST
Life is often unfair Dusty.

Nature is unfair, life is not.
It takes substance to stand up against the crowd in many respects, I believe its mistrust in others than influence the acts of others to the greatest extent.
Let this grow, yes it has problems outside looking in, but thats one of caution and greed.
Im wealhy and nothing to lose, I throw my hat behind this movement.

Nature is unfair, life is not.

Sorry Dusty but that's even more rubbish.

EO

Jeremy's speech was peppered with references to the working class,the under privileged in society. At least 7 occasions
10.25 - 11.54
13.25 - 14.35
15.00 - 15.34
17.50 - 20.10
22.25  - 24.15
26.38 -  26.50
And closing minute.

Continual references to the unfairness in our society
The haves vs. the have nots
The necessity for affordable education
The absolute right of free medical care.

The Labour Party was founded as a voice for the working class.
It's disappeared into the middle murk over the last decades

Jeremy's clarion call, is a true ' call to arms ' to get back to basics, back to the true values of a party that cares about society, fairness and equality for all. NOT just for those with money and power.
It's a call to arms that is being listened to  and is being heeded.
Another 150,000 new members have joined in the last 24 hours
Things are going to change.

Come back when you have something coherent and/or sensible to say

Angela might be in touch soon to ask whether you'd like another 700,000 as well, to add to your current 0.

That was no way to speak to the refugees Facts.
Turned them away from your door just like an old inn keeper I read about once.

A bit disingenuous that Facts. Any Labour politician from the right or left of the party will always talk about the poor and dispossessed but people on here have been very specific about the criticism they have levelled at the party. They believe, rightly or wrongly, that the white working class have alternately been ignored or sneered at by Labour. Corbyn gave no indication that he understood that or that things would change in that regard. The unspoken message is coming in loud and clear that the Labour party has abandoned them and so their votes will be up for grabs. The fact that Corbyn is a London based politician execrbates that problem. He probably sees London as being representative of the country when it clearly isn't. He and to be fair probably yourself would like it to be so. The majority of the people wouldn't and Labour don't care for them or their views and I doubt this will change under Corbyn.

Two words for you Hanks:

Emily Thornberry.

Brought back into the cabinet after absolutely no demand despite the fact she recently resigned after her disgraceful comments about the white working class flying the national flag of this country. Corbyn certainly sent a message there about what he thinks.