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By:
Pokermonster
When: 30 Aug 15 00:43
It's how mankind might use this phenomenon that is mind blowing.
By:
egner
When: 30 Aug 15 00:43
Indeed.
By:
egner
When: 30 Aug 15 00:44
...though hopefully it won't reveal itself to us fully until we have matured enough to use it wisely.
By:
brassneck
When: 30 Aug 15 00:54
michio kaku,was on tv one night and worked out the maths of quantum theory and then done the maths of einsteins e=mc x2.
he proved that both are correct,but one contradicts the other at a point of the event horizon which he says is impossible.
his conclusion was until they get both in harmony all science laws are flawed.AND the science world do not know what to do.
basically he proved that anything that is impossible is possible.and the maths keep showing infinity answer in their results.
which he says is impossible.Confused
By:
brendanuk1
When: 30 Aug 15 10:29
quantum entanglement and that dna stories found on internet space cadet sites are 2 different things. hth
By:
FlowerMyth
When: 30 Aug 15 10:54
Those ridiculing Injera's account about DNA reaction at a distance should read up on quantum entanglement.

What you are saying is that these DNA cells are entangled with the DNA cells of the subject’s body in another room (or another city perhaps) such that they exhibit behaviour as if they were still in place in the body.

My understanding of entanglement is this:

Until very recently to entangle a pair of photons or electrons for a whole second was very difficult. What’s more, particles have to be practically isolated from the environment they are in to maintain that entanglement. Other particles and fields in the environment disturb the particles and they decohere – their superposition of states is lost and as they are described by one and the same wave function, they become two separate particles with no connection to one another and the wave function is said to collapse. In effect, they are now two separate objects in the real physical world.

That’s just a simple particle pair. A sample of DNA from someone’s cheek must be hideously complicated, perhaps billions of atoms are involved. The reason we never see entangled classical objects in the real world is because they all too easily decohere. So, no twin versions of the same object. Incidentally, it is the same reason why ‘the cat’ is either dead or alive, not dead and alive at the same time. Admittedly some cheek DNA isn’t as massive as cat, but it is still very big as far as quantum mechanics goes.

Not trying to be a smart arse here, but what’s being claimed (apparently) is you can swab someone’s cheek, walk in the room next door. Or, get in your car and drive the DNA to somewhere far away. And in all this time, with all the countless particles in the environment, the heat – none of these things disturb this highly delicate quantum state? If it were that simple everything would be entangled all the time and life would be utter chaos.

I’m sorry, but to me it really does sound like ‘woo’. Let's see what the original study said, not what a pop science writer turned it into.
By:
brendanuk1
When: 30 Aug 15 11:02
you wont find the original 'study' (nap)
By:
egner
When: 30 Aug 15 11:47
....maybe the same kind of thing as when Emoto put forward the water molecules react to human emotion theory.....

....sold a lot of books though.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 30 Aug 15 12:53
Quantum Entanglement applies to subatomic particles, DNA is made of atoms and is massive compared to Quantum Physics. I think someone has tried to tie the 2 in a story and maybe confused you Inerja. Not everything you read on t'internet is true Excited

I can get my head around Relativity but Quantum Physics is a total alien ball game. We just seem to peel back layers to find even more layers, there may be a limit to how far we can look and will never find the true answer. Still every time we peel back a layer we discover new properties that will have some unforseen benefit in the future.

Fascinating subject however.
By:
Injera
When: 30 Aug 15 13:15
http://www.hearttoheartassociates.com/co_create-power.htm

Hope this helps regarding the study I mentioned.

On a slightly different but related topic, the studies into the Placebo Affect are truly amazing.
By:
Injera
When: 30 Aug 15 13:28
I'll relate a personal story if I may.

Some weeks ago a friend here in the UK mentioned to me about an unborn child with a very serious cleft palate in America.

X rays showed the boy baby had such a serious and demanding series of operations ahead of him that an abortion may be of consideration.

The parents wanted to give him a chance.

I asked for the boy's name if he had one. They had named him and I'll call him G for privacy.

Myself, my friend and another pal in Colorado started to pray/visualise/believe/expect a miracle. For myself I 'celebrated' ahead of time the delivery of a healed boy.

I was at work and my friend phoned me in tears. I thought perhaps G had died...

No! G was born with NO cleft palate. He has the smallest of cleft lips which is easily treatable. The doctors were somewhat surprised....

I've asked to see a copy of the original x ray. I've seen and heard stuff happen in my life and those around me. This story is one of the most exciting so far.Happy
By:
Ovalman.
When: 30 Aug 15 13:29
Building Bridges Between Science and Spirituality

Says it all to me.

Spirituality has no basis in science as it's not based on evidence.
By:
Injera
When: 30 Aug 15 13:33
The 2 will come together Ovalman. In truth I don't think they've ever been apart.

In some ways the QP journey of modern science is a journey going back in time exploring ancient traditions that talked about 'this stuff'.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 30 Aug 15 13:36
My favourite quote has been misattributed to Carl Sagan but it's very apt.

You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe.
By:
dustybin
When: 30 Aug 15 13:48
The phenomenon of changing and outcome by simply observing it knocks my duck off eachtime I read about it.
Its like whatever you believe as the answer to everything, there lies at its foundation a sign that says 'no further'
By:
Foinavon
When: 30 Aug 15 13:49
Science and reason are constantly under attack by those who would enslave us with the shackles of religion and mysticism. They even resort to pseudoscience to try and convince us that they have evidence.
Backster doesn't say how he measured fear in plants or emotional reaction in DNA samples, you are asked to take that as read. Beware of this type of charlatan.
By:
dustybin
When: 30 Aug 15 13:51
ofc everything seems to be magic until it is reasoned and then it becomes obvious, but right now, the s hit we dont know is so substantial it undermines humanity itself
By:
Just Checking
When: 30 Aug 15 14:28
ferkn hell what did some people do before the internet was invented and they could find each other to validate their own crackpotedness. From your mad left corbyn/SNP-ites to their god botherer oppo's it's all a dismal downturn in global mental health.
By:
egner
When: 30 Aug 15 15:13
...ties in with what he was saying in the programme about the photon of light hitting the tree......very interesting...and again...baffling...

Are Plants Really Using Quantum Entanglement In Photosynthesis?

http://io9.com/5452755/are-plants-really-using-quantum-entanglement-in-photosynthesis

New evidence that plants get their energy using quantum entanglement

http://io9.com/new-evidence-that-plants-get-their-energy-using-quantum-1498695627
By:
egner
When: 30 Aug 15 16:01
...here is Jim at the brilliant TED......so much interesting and thought provoking stuff on so many subjects....

https://www.ted.com/talks/jim_al_khalili_how_quantum_biology_might_explain_life_s_biggest_questions
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 30 Aug 15 16:43
I`ve read many stories from science sections and many now speak of other dimensions, I can`t go into too much detail as I`m not clever enough. They are on the right track though.
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 30 Aug 15 16:48
Building Bridges Between Science and Spirituality

Says it all to me.

Spirituality has no basis in science as it's not based on evidence.


There are people (very few) who can take you to other dimensions.
By:
FlowerMyth
When: 30 Aug 15 17:12
It's difficult to know what dimensions you are talking about, but the extra dimensions of strings, if they exist at all, appear to be incredibly small and wound tightly. Hard to imagine anyone going there.
By:
brendanuk1
When: 30 Aug 15 17:16
magic mushroom thread that way ---->
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 30 Aug 15 17:37
Spiritual, lady I once knew had the ability to take you with her, you may laugh.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 30 Aug 15 18:02
Might I advise you, gentlemen, to read To err is human, to float devine by Woody Allen.
By:
maleuk01.
When: 30 Aug 15 23:52
I want a patent that uses quantum entanglement for messaging each other, imagine 2 computers with particles entangled with another computer.

messages would be instant, even half way across the universe! no more waiting at the speed of light for a message to be delivered. Waiting for responses from our spacecraft or telescopes deep in space.

dragons den here I come Cool
By:
brassneck
When: 31 Aug 15 00:10
the concept of your idea is quite possible,because it was the photon that they split in the experiment ,and photons are everywhere and even you are made from them.the problem is they misbehave when observed.So if you observe them they will not do what you want and are likely to disappear and appear elsewhere.Confused
but the fact that they are photons and can perform their harmony when split and disappear and then reappear they prove the theory of einsteins "nothing can travel faster than the speed of light"incorrect.
So be careful with the wording of you description in your patent.Grin
By:
egner
When: 31 Aug 15 00:14
...I'd like to be quantum entangled with Gillian Anderson......and Rosamund Pike.....and Natalie Portman......and Rachel McCadams.....
By:
brassneck
When: 31 Aug 15 00:20
The photons also pass through you,and the have the ability to pass through themselves.
So the next question when we get a handle on their habits will be "can they escape out of a blackhole,and can the pass through it"Sad
By:
maleuk01.
When: 31 Aug 15 19:09
brassneck, Einstein wasn't wrong on nothing travelling quicker than the speed of light. If it did time could go backwards,  which as of yet we have seen no evidence for and which would create serious paradox's.

It may appear that information must travel between the entangled particles, but the information just seems to appear (no time delay whatsoever), information has not travelled it just mysteriously  is there. One of the things that makes the quantum world very strange.
By:
maleuk01.
When: 31 Aug 15 19:22
I think what happens is if 2 particles are say entangled with each other.

To exist in the observable universe each particle has a specific plain to exist in, and it cannot share that plain with any other particle. So as soon as you switch the particle to another state, which the entangled particle exists in it immediately flips into the now empty plain that its entangled particle has left.

So if for example a coin is flipped upside down the tails becomes immediately heads as it cannot exist as both heads at the same time.

There is a point where both particles can exist in both plain together or in each of its own plain, but as soon as you observe the particle it is forced to make a decision, it has to be in 1 plain 1 or the other.

If that sort of makes sense?
By:
egner
When: 31 Aug 15 19:28
....so observation is the catalyst to force a particle to decide....

.....but what is the mechanism by which the particle knows it is being observed...and that it is time to decide which plain to be in???
By:
maleuk01.
When: 31 Aug 15 19:31
correct egner.

it is time to decide as soon as it is observed, and it is instant, no time delay.

and if I could figure out the mechanism by which the particle knows I would get a nobel prize for it.

Unfortunately im not that clever Laugh
By:
egner
When: 31 Aug 15 19:33
Happy
By:
egner
When: 31 Aug 15 19:41
....you see this is now interesting me more than ever....

...because if this is true...then it is we who are responsible for the creation of things....or the direction of the creation of things.....because we are the ones observing...and thereby acting as the catalyst for particles to decide which state they become.

...I think Einstein said something about this as well didn't he......

...he was sceptical about the quantum world because he said even if he is not looking at the Moon...he knows it is still there and exists....something like that......

...interesting....intriguing ..and baffling......

...and mastery and understanding of these processes will open up a pandoras box.
By:
maleuk01.
When: 31 Aug 15 19:47
brassneck, and the reason photons etc can pass straight through us and matter is because we are all effectively empty space.

The mass of an atom is all in the core of the atom, like a grain of sand in the middle of St Pauls cathedral.

Chances are when passing each other they would just go straight through each other as the centers are very unlikely to collide. (why it is so difficult to try and observe dark matter).

It is elctro magnetic forces (I think) that stops us from being able to walk straight through a wall. Or maybe because there are trillions and trillions of atoms interacting if we did try to walk through a wall  1 of them is bound to collide with the neucleus of an atom in the wall.
By:
Charlie
When: 31 Aug 15 21:06
All the current theories are inelegant hence they are wrong qed. Much in the same way as the sun and stars going around the earth was wrong but more complicated theories attempted to prove it was correct.
By:
brassneck
When: 31 Aug 15 23:18
if they ever find the dark matter they will have a bigger problem.where is the anti dark matter.
To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
no doubt it is a strange world we live in,but let me put this to you all.
we all know that dark matter is out there in the universe.
we can not see it,we can not feel it,we can not find it,we can not observe it,we do not understand it, in fact we know nothing about it except we know its out there.And we believe its out there and its name is dark matter.and it controls the universe.
if dark matter was also titled" god"by the scientists,there would be blue murder in the science world.
yet god and dark matter seem to have a lot in common when you think about it.
but you never hear anybody saying there is no dark matter.Grin
By:
Foinavon
When: 31 Aug 15 23:42
we can not see it,we can not feel it,we can not find it,we can not observe it,we do not understand it, in fact we know nothing about it except we know its out there.And we believe its out there and its name is dark matter.and it controls the universe.
if dark matter was also titled" god"by the scientists,there would be blue murder in the science world.


We observe an effect, namely that galaxies don't fly apart despite the observable mass of matter being insufficient to hold them together. We postulate a cause, in this case additional matter which we haven't seen yet then go about looking for it. You can call it anything you like but but it's been shown time and time again that the god of the gaps, that is a supernatural explanation for an observation in nature, is a lazy and dishonest approach.
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