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Will Jeremy Corbyn step down from the leadership contest?
Will Jeremy Corbyn step down from the leadership contest?
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TiptheOdds • July 26, 2015 9:18 PM BST
Labour Party at a crossroads imo. They either support Corbyn and return to their roots as a party of the working man, offering a real alternative to the neo-con policies that are designed to make the rich richer and the rest poor, and to once again provide real opposition to the Tories. Or they go with any of the other spineless suits and continue as a Blairite Tory-lite bourgeois ´party´ that puts power before principles, stands for nothing and cannot be trusted. I hope I´m wrong but I suspect they will go with the latter. Eeternaloptimist • July 26, 2015 9:43 PM BST Studyform Hollande is a clown who got a right royal spanking over his 75% tax debacle for higher earners. France spent a couple of years in the doldrums as a result of that and has at least in part returned to growth when it was quietly dropped towards the end of last year. Socialism is a cancer. Corbyn may well be what the core voters of Labour want but if you do vote him in you do so in full knowledge that parts of the press will go for him. So don't start blubbing about how unfair it is when you get thrashed at the next election. The people saw socialism in action in the 60's and 70's and that was enough for them. Never again. They don't need the papers to tell them that. ..I agree tiptheodds.... ....and these neo-con policies are enacted through the money issuance system which we have and their banker friends control......which is built on debt...unsustainable debt....and which is sustained and milked by both Conservative light...Cameron at present and Conservative lighter.....the Blair years and anyone of the "other" 3 candidates at present. ....crucially this system needs..... GROWTH AT ANY COST.......to sustain it ... ....even if that growth results in the detriment and demise of the population (who are forced to participate in it as no political party from any persuasion sees fit to challenge it) and the environment and planet as a whole. ...EET I disagree profoundly...it is not socialism that is the cancer....it is the financial system based on unsustainable debt and those that sustain it and that results in such an inequality between rich and poor....(see above) ....what does a cancer cell need........yes.....GROWTH AT ANY COST to sustain the cancer and eventually take over....even if that growth results in the demise of the other blood cells and eventual death of the host. More and more people are waking up to what no politician will tell you .....the system of capitalism we have (although it is no longer true capitalism of course) at the moment is mathematically...socially and environmentally unsustainable......and is more akin to a cancer..... Corbyn is gaining more and more traction because he understands this.............and he wants to hold this cancer back and reverse it.... ...and people realise he is not like other politicians from both conservative and labour who are there to give you the illusion that you have a choice! |
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lol anyway that jeremy bloke he isnt that left wing as far as i can see
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from where i am looking he seems quite a sensible guy with a lot of sound ideas
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Eggy
From their miserable hovels socialists have been telling capitalists that their system is rotten for many decades and the capitalists just blow smoke in their faces from their cigars. |
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.......the smoke doesn't make it any less rotten.
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......it just masks the smell.
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get back to oldham you div ET
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Corbyn has no new ideas, the world has changed dramatically in the last 10 years, its very worrying.
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I'm a long way removed now Hanks. Tell me. Is it still obligatory to sleep with your sister in Clayton and how is your sister?
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I'm ashamed to admit that part of me secretly wants Jeremy Corbyn to win the leadership election just to see what happens next, a kind of morbid curiosity.
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Paddle – cheers , I’d been reading the article and I was curious as to how the ‘far left infiltrators’ thing was viewed.
Anx – “lol anyway that jeremy bloke he isnt that left wing as far as i can see” you win the award for quote of the day from me. Poker – I agree, it’s going to be very interesting to watch the show if he does win the leadership contest. I see the bleating members of the left had no retort to my hard figures re gbp, public spending and the general lack of austerity (so far). LOL If you look at this report re his key advisers etc then I’d say it’s a fair estimate that Labour will make a leap back to 1970s socialism if he gets the job http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11764273/Jeremy-Corbyns-team-the-key-figures-backing-the-left-wingers-leadership-bid.html This may suit your outlook and you have every right to your opinion but no matter how ‘correct’ you feel your opinion is, it has no more weight than the next voter. So unless there’s an economic meltdown I still think Labour will fair even worse in 2020. |
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The professional suits are sh!t scared of losing their positions. The Labour party hasn't existed since Kinnock started his hatchet job.
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I simply don't accept this term far left "infiltrator" as it the definition of the phrase does not fit. It implies secrecy and hostile intent. The far left have every right to want the labour party to move to the left of where they are now positioned. It might not suit some people but the Blairites don't own the labour party.
People from the right or outsiders could be seen as infiltrating the labour party if they tried to use votes to influence the result of the election as their intent would would be different. |
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yeah but that implies the labour party represents everyone on the left and ergo the tory party everyone on the right, which I'm not so sure about.
I think if I was a Labour supporter I would view the socialist worker party, communist party etal about as much part of Labour as I would view the the BNP as part of the Tory party, and therefore it could be fair comment that members of far left or far right parties should be trying to influence the direction of the larger parties. |
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shouldn't be trying to influence the direction of the larger parties. - I meant
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22 points ahead...crikey....looks like a done deal of polling is to believed.....
.....his time may just of have come.......if he is elected leader...he will be PM.....yep. |
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he said if he won he would have 50% of his cabinet made up of women.
If women say only have 25% of labour seats then he is going to actively promote sexism by turning down better candidates because they are men. Why not just appoint the people who are best for the job whether they be men or women? He has absolutely ZERO chance of ever being elected PM. |
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This could be the final nail in Labours coffin.
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won't last 5 mins even if labour are stupid enough to elect
how can he lead when hardly any of his MPs support him ? |
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...I am no fan of labour but I disagree.........
....when the systemic financial system meltdown comes....which it will..it is a mathematical certainty..........there are more and more markers each and every day...... ..who are.the conservatives going to blame this time......can't be labour....cos according to Cameron / Osborne all the hard work of repair has been done and we "just have to stay the course"....... ...labour won't have been in power for the best part of a decade........can't blame them...they have had no impact on policy...... ....if Corbyn is elected ....he will be PM. |
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Personally I reckon the only way a hard left gov could get into power is via an economic meltdown that would make 2008/09 look like a mere blip.
But if we end up with a hard left government with him or similar in charge, have people considered the potential capital flight and brain drain? Re income groups the upper 1% pay about 24% of the income tax, the upper 10% pay about 53% and the upper 50% pay nearly 90% of the income tax. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8417205.stm It wouldn’t take that many of them leaving for it to start biting giv tax receipts in a big way. Many in the top 10% aren’t just going to take it on the chin if labour get into power and head towards 1970s income tax rates (83% top rate , 98% investment income rate, 33% base rate) If you look at his advisors I reckon that’s where they’ll head if he’s in power. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11764273/Jeremy-Corbyns-team-the-key-figures-backing-the-left-wingers-leadership-bid.html |
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If I had anything to do with it the Lord Ashcrofts and Bono's of this world would have their citizenship stripped from them if they want to be tax exiles.
If Corbyn was elected on a certain platform he would have a mandate to carry out his policies including higher taxes for the more wealthy and if anybody did not like it they know where the door is. |
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It's ok having that attitude until your income tax receipts drop by 20%, then what? Up taxes for everyone else and keep squeezing the pips??
Given the rate of immigration since 1997 it's not beyond the realms that a signif number of the higher rate tax payers could leave in a few years considering how the world has changed since the 70s and plenty fkd off even then. |
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The labour leadership process is set up to be compromised,thousands of non labour people are paying their £3 to get Corbyn elected hoping to derail them.The effect they're having on the voting is hardly surprising given the lack lustre nature of Burnham & Coopers campaign,are they really the best that Labour have got to offer?
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I would look at it differently. The people who might be taxed more and or not able to take advantage of aggressive tax avoidance should take some satisfaction that they are contributing a bit more to their country. They are not losing any money because its not their money until they pay their taxes whatever that may be at any time.
I don't believe people as you say might leave the country. If they did want to leave they are the type of people the country can live without. I would like to see their citizenship removed so they cant just return when they want. |
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I read your last post and weep paddle. I pour my brilliance into your ear at regular intervals and it falls out of the other side of your head. Can you not invest in a plug? Not a butt plug I hasten to add.
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I don't see what is wrong EO in taking some parts of socialism and joining it with capitalism. Surely that happened under recent times when the banks were affectively nationalised and socialism had to come to the rescue of pure capitalism.
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.....socialise losses.when capitalism....not that it is proper survival of the fittest capitalism.....gets its one way free bets wrong.....
....never seems to happen with profits though....strange that. |
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Socialism had to do no such thing paddle. If there was a need for interventionism by socialism it came several years earlier when it was still possible to address the issue relatively painlessly. At all levels there was no pure capitalism for many years. LTCM in 98. Clinton advocating affirmative action and telling banks to lend to people who couldn't pay the money back. The list is endless of politicians interfering.
Privatise the gains and socialise the losses was a motto for idiots. |
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...the right seems to conveniently forget that it's oh so precious system and the huge losses it had made had to be rescued by absorbing said losses between society as a whole....
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Bullshiit.
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Utter utter drivel eet
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They conned politicians unable to grasp the heist. More fool them.
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It is a fact....an inescapable fact.....
...with Greece being the latest example....... ... |
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Always happy to be corrected by a lucid and informative correction eggy and there is a first for everything even if you have set the bar high. Utter drivel you say:
Enlighten me but don't expect me to pull my punches. Have you got your gumshield in and your cup on? |
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....you had no reply last night eet.....
I am still waiting for a "lucid and informative" reply on that thread. ...other than "capitalists blowing smoke in the face of socialists" |
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Greece is an inescapable fact of what Eggy?
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Always happy to oblige Eggy. What was your point?
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The bankers and their wealthy friends held the whole nation hostage and handed over the biggest blackmail note in modern history which ended up being paid in full by me, you and everyone else. It was an inverted form of socialism but it was still socialism which the bankers and their friends turned to when they needed help. I think its more than justified to expect something back.
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