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Bondage Fetish ^^
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There would then be no need for a locked cockpit door.
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and certain passengers may even enjoy it...yes?
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topless thonged trolly dollys as well ?
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don't be silly...that would cost extra.
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maybe in first class.
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very good for the pilots wellbeing also, quite sure no aircraft would be crashed under such circumstances.
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Regarding the need for pilots to use the toilet. What did ( say) crews of bombers do during WW2 ?
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probably sent it down with the bombs
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Bombs away was a euphemism.
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I was on a flight a few years ago when a passenger had a parachute on.
Not sure what he thought would happen if there was an emergency? Even if there was some way of opening the door to let him out, did he really think that the other passengers wouldnt be surrounding him trying to rip it off his back. |
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Really ? Surely wouldn't have been allowed. Would look suspiciously like a backpack I.e terrorist bomb threat.
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If a pilot/co pilot wants to down a plane, there is very little that can stop them.
Replacements in the cockpit for toilet breaks would be a waste of time. The suicide pilot has the element of surprise on their side, and can choose the time to strike. The door must be reinforced to keep out would be terrorists. Airlines must have more stringent health checks on their pilots, but that still wouldnt guarantee a nutjob didnt con his way through it. |
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I'd have thought moving the lockable door back a few feet, installing a small toilet cubicle in the space and having a door into the c-pit that you can't lock would do for all but the most determined of suicidal pilots. In a spinning dive the pilot in the toilet is unlikely to be able to get out though due to centrifugal forces.
Facts, my Lancaster book has a schematic that shows an Elsan toilet just forward of where the rear gunner sits, but mostly they would have used milk bottles. Though the plane had autopilot I doubt the pilot would ever have left the seat other than to bail out, perhaps if he'd taught the flight engineer how to hold the plane steady and level - it's a long and difficult way to and back from the Elsan and all their lives would be at stake for a few minutes. On fighters they had tubes and a funnel for the purpose. |
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Having a toilet in the cockpit would certainly deter some terrorists from crashing a 'plane.
It's very insulting to the prophet to turn up in Paradise covered in sh1t and piss! |
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anyone know the number of times a 'mentally ill' pilot has taken his plane down with him in the history of commercial flying (over a century now)?
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there have been 3 or 4 in recent years that they are pretty sure were pilot suicide, but go back over 30 years the recorders were not as advanced or even installed on all aircraft so they often wouldn't know
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By pilots in control of whole flight
Crash date Murderer Commercial Flight Fatalities Theories Aircraft Refs September 26, 1976 Pilot General aviation Aeroflot 12 (pilot, 11 on the ground) The pilot flew the aircraft from Novosibirsk-Severny Airport and crashed the aircraft into an apartment complex where his ex-wife lived. His ex-wife was not killed in the crash. January 5, 1977 Pilot General aviation Connellan air disaster 5 (pilot, 4 on the ground) A disgruntled former employee of Connellan Airways (Connair) flew a Beechcraft Baron into the Connair complex at the Alice Springs Airport, Northern Territory, Australia August 22, 1979 Pilot General aviation Stolen aircraft 4 (pilot, 3 on the ground) A 23-year-old aircraft mechanic working at Bogota El Dorado Airport stole a Hawker-Siddeley HS-748 and crashed it into a Bogota suburb. February 9, 1982 Pilot Commercial flight Japan Airlines Flight 350 24 Pilot engaged number 2 and 3 engines' thrust-reversers in flight. The first officer and flight engineer were able to partially regain control. September 15, 1982 Pilot General aviation Bankstown Airport incident 1 The pilot of a light aircraft committed suicide by deliberately crashing into airport in the City of Bankstown, New South Wales, Australia July 13, 1994 Pilot Military Stolen aircraft 1 A Russian air force engineer stole the airplane at Kubinka air base outside of Moscow. He circled the aircraft until it ran out of fuel and crashed. August 21, 1994 Pilot Commercial flight Royal Air Maroc Flight 630 44 Crashed intentionally by pilot (disputed by flight union) December 19, 1997 Pilot Commercial flight SilkAir Flight 185 104 Crashed intentionally by pilot (disputed by Indonesian government) October 11, 1999 Pilot Stolen commercial aircraft 1999 Air Botswana incident 1 Pilot commandeered and then crashed an Air Botswana aircraft into a group of aircraft at Sir Seretse Khama International Airport in Gaborone, Botswana October 31, 1999 First officer Commercial flight EgyptAir Flight 990 217 After the captain left the cockpit, first officer crashed aircraft into ocean while repeatedly saying "I rely on God" in Arabic[22] (U.S. National Transportation Safety Board); mechanical failure (Egyptian air agency January 5, 2002 Pilot General aviation 2002 Tampa airplane crash 1 (pilot, damaged an office) Crashed into Bank of America Plaza. Credited and praised Osama bin Laden for September 11, 2001 attacks in suicide note. April 18, 2002 Pilot General aviation 2002 Pirelli Tower airplane crash 3 (pilot, 2 inside the building) The aircraft crashed in the tower in Milan. Suicide is a possibility. February 18, 2010 Pilot General aviation 2010 Austin suicide attack 2 Andrew Joseph Stack III deliberately crashed his single-engine Piper Dakota light aircraft into Building I of the Echelon office complex in Austin, Texas, United States. November 29, 2013 Pilot Commercial flight LAM Mozambique Airlines Flight 470 33 The pilot intentionally crashed jet; the co-pilot was locked out of the cockpit, according to the voice recorder. March 8, 2014 Commercial flight Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 239 Pilot suicide is a possibility (wreckage and black boxes not yet found) March 24, 2015 Co-pilot Commercial flight Germanwings Flight 9525 150 The co-pilot locked the captain out of cockpit before deliberately crashing the plane into a mountain near Prads-Haute-Bléone, Alpes-de-Haute-Provence, France. |
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FlowerMyth
Thank you |
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depression,mental illness bullshit blown out the water
KILLER co-pilot Andreas Lubitz trawled the web for suicide methods, a search of his computer has revealed. The 27-year-old also researched aircraft cockpit security in the months leading up to last week’s Germanwings crash in which 150 people were killed. It comes as search teams uncovered the second black box from debris |
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The c4 program talked about the various incidents of things like this happening last night, will be on 4od.
In other news, we've this nonsense: "depression,mental illness bullshit blown out the water KILLER co-pilot Andreas Lubitz trawled the web for suicide methods" In what way does a person searching for suicide methods imply that them being depressed or having a mental illness is "bullshit"? That's about as ****ing stupid as saying. "He likes cars bullshit blown out the water Car liker Jeremy Clarkson trawled the web for Cars". Killer and mentally ill aren't exclusive, in fact they are surely often related. |
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agreed, very stupid post
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the passenger toilets should all be shared (two toilets, one room), this would stop any suspicious monkey business going on.
the pilots could both go and use these, giving the stewardesses a go at flying the plane. those girls will never learn if they don't get a chance to practice. |
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The Germanwings co-pilot suspected of deliberately crashing a plane in the French Alps in March, killing all 150 people on board, practiced a descent on the previous flight.
Prosecutors believe 27-year-old German co-pilot Andreas Lubitz locked the captain out of the cockpit and veered the plane into an early descent on a flight from Barcelona to Duesseldorf on March 24. German newspaper Bild cited sources close to France's BEA crash investigation agency, said an interim report that BEA was planning to publish on Wednesday would say that Lubitz had practiced reducing flight altitude on the outbound flight from Duesseldorf to Barcelona the same day as the crash. Bild cited the sources as saying the BEA report would talk about a "controlled descent that lasted for minutes and for which there was no aeronautical justification". Lubitz had suffered from severe depression in the past and a computer found in his home showed he had used the Internet to research ways of committing suicide in the days leading up to the crash. Prosecutors also found torn-up sick notes at his home showing he should not have flown on the day of the flight. |