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I'm intelligent - but will be voting for a candidate who cannot possibly win ; how intelligent is that?
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Every candidate I've ever voted for has lost, and I'm almost as intelligent as Ifor.
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Vote UKIP and end the madness!
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I'm on 20k a year well below the average annual wage. I'm better off under tories/lib dems than Labour. Labour kept the tax freshold lower and flooded my particular work with overseas labour
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Vote UKIP and end the madness!
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Back to the OP
I think it is unfair to question peoples intelligence just because they vote for a political party We are all entitled to our own political views I find people in general less intelligent than they were, because they accept far too much from our government and media as fact. It is not fact at all, we are told to believe what we are supposed to, this does not make it true. We seem to place a high value on ignorance nowadays. We can question everything we are told in this world, I wish people would do this more. One does have to back this up with some argument though |
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We are all entitled to our own political views
You might think that, but the situation is more complex Ever heard the phrase 'no taxation without representation'? There are roughly 1.9m EU nationals working and paying taxes in the UK at the moment. They have no vote on 7th May. There are also some 16-17 year olds generating taxation through their endeavours in the work place. No vote for them either on 7th May. And as for Labour Party Central seething that people have to register individually to vote, rather than the old system where the head of the household being able to register other adults at the address, it's clear that this is the party believing it's disadvantaged if people have to make their own minds up. |
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Do you really think that somebody from another country working here, is entitled to vote in our election?
because I don't AS for 16-17 olds, that is arguable , but that means we lower our voting age to 16, so that is fine, if that is what we decide My point was not a political argument, people get told what to think by all parties and Media itself has a political allegiance, so it will reflect this |
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Do you think it was right for American colonists to fight for independence in the 1770s on the grounds they had no say in their own affairs and were being taxed ( essentially robbed if you have no vote ).
Of course they were fighting for the rights of white men, but were they right to take up arms? |
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This is hardly the same situation.
. The phrase was a clever one America was a British colony. They were governed from this country. They had no government of their own or elected MP's to the British parliament. It had some merit. Because the people in our colony saw themselves as Americans not British. It has no meaning the way you are using it. IF EU nationals working here want a vote in our elections they must become British Citizens, or be born here when they will be accepted as having British Citizenship. You cannot have anybody coming to this country for work and thinking because they pay tax, they decide our government. This has nothing to do with colour. |
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Tax racism
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Well I don't see it
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You cannot have anybody coming to this country for work and thinking because they pay tax, they decide our government.
Actually they get one vote each. Turn it round though: You've currently got people fecking off out of the country for 15 years and not generating taxes any more and they are getting the vote. The discrimination is only because they're UK nationals not EU nationals. And it's suffrage racism. And another thing : it costs £906 for an adult EU national to naturalise, and consequently get the vote. It costs £0 for an adult UK national to get the vote. That's pure discrimination across the EU / UK divide. These absurdities in this democracy of ours is only possible because we are currently part of an over-priced tax racist EU super-state. |
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The vote is nothing to do with taxes
It is about being citizen of this country, to make a commitment to this country |
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That's a somewhat nebulous concept ebul. How do people make this commitment of which you speak? Surely it is the paying of taxation?
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By deciding to live here permanently and see Britain as their country perhaps?
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You see where this phrase was first used, our American Colony, it was always about more than taxation.
The rich American land owners, business men wanted to trade with the rest of the World, while they were our colony, they were limited to trading with us The Americans themselves had gone there away from Britain, Europe, Russia etc. They saw themselves in a new country, their country. They had in effect decided they wanted to be Americans. They fought a bloody 6 year war, which sadly we lost, that shows commitment |
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I do not expect our EU immigrants to fight a 6 year war. Just pay the £906
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Anti-UKIPpers are happy to call Farage a racist on the strength of radio interview where he said he'd prefer not to have a tax-paying Romanian move in next door.
Yet ebulGery says he doesn't want his tax-paying neighbour in this new country voting purely on the basis of where he's come from ( oh he can if he pays an extra £906 more than me into the spongers pot ). You're a tax racist ebul. |
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you are bonkers Bongo
If someone cannot be bothered to pay £906, they do not deserve to be British |
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You see a lot of our problems are caused by people coming to this country who do not want to be British, they do not like us
When someone moves here they are making a commitment for themselves, and by default their children, children's children,etc to be British and uphold British value They can call themselves British black, British Asian, British Muslim or British whatever, but if there is no British in there somewhere they should not be here or voting. |
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I have come to the conclusion that if anyone is bonkers it's NOT Bongo. Just a personal opinion.
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Tax racism - the idea that the centuries old principle of 'no taxation without representation' should not apply to foreigners. Legally resident in the UK, paying taxes, come here because it's better than where they were before, contributing to the UK success story, but not welcome at the ballot box by ebulGery.
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Are people who vote Labour... lfc1971 lfc1971 23 Feb 15 13:54 Joined: 06 Nov 11 | Topic/replies: 4,209 | Blogger: lfc1971's blog not very intelligent? The people who are not intelligent are the ones who voute CONservative and tnen protest about public service cuts, welfare cuts and NHS cuts - 2 weeks to see a GP, AE overloaded etc... Anyone that votes the CONs should not be allowed to protest about any of the above |
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ebul the communist only wants rich foreigners to be able to call themselves British.
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The Special Needs One arrives. The average chit chat forum IQ has just been reduced from a grapefuit to a tangerine.
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Labour of course. They are the party of the public sector and spongers. Those who actually pay tax don't want it spent on one legged lesbian trombone facilitators and so would rather vote for you than Labour.
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Poor point Special One : we vote for an individual normally sponsered by one particular party. NO-ONE agrees with every policy withinthat party. Of course you can both vote for a party AND object to one or more of their policies.
I love me Mum even though she could be horrid at times. |
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Ask Ed Balls. When asked which business leaders supported Labour after dozens foolishly wrote in supporting them in previous elections he said and I quote, "Bill somebody". Bill somebody.
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