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the fact there are so many religons should make these clowns think about it but evidence and logic doesnt seem to bother them.......think religon is a form of mental illness

bless you

Turning the other cheek, just as Jesus commanded.
You can be comforted by the sure and certain knowledge that He loves you and when you are in Heaven all the unbelievers, mockers and tormentors will be punished in hell fire.

When you are there better watch your back, the fallen jihadists might also be there looking for virgins.

you'd love to believe that's all true but quite apart from being quite judgemental, there's not a shred of evidence to support it.

Oh wait, isn't that what you're meant to say to me?? come on, present you're evidence there's something wrong with me if you believe it so (ahem) religiously!

Damn right it's judgmental. It's meant to be.

maybe they will foinavon. actually i was just thinking that it was a gross assumption to think that heaven and hell are so seperated.

No, it's a gross assumption, not to mention a foolish, pathetic and puerile asumption, that heaven and hell exist. They are notions invented to hoodwink the gullible and keep uneducated people in line. In your case, that appears to have worked.

it's not so inconceivable that me and the jihadist could be stood next to each other in the afterlife - me having a great time and him wishing he coulld come back to earth as jimmy savile.

Yes, it's quite inconceivable. Because there is not, and can not be, an afterlife.

Listen you lemon, it is you who has hijacked the thread, not I.

Although I guess you could argue that as we were having a perfectly sensible conversation about how thoroughly moronic religious people are, we did need someone to come along and prove the point.

"The man who walked the Earth?" Please elucidate. Is this the guy who cured the lame, turned water into wine and fed 5,000 people with a couple of cod fillets and a loaf of Kingsmill? Or some other guy?

maybe they will foinavon. actually i was just thinking that it was a gross assumption to think that heaven and hell are so seperated. it's not so inconceivable that me and the jihadist could be stood next to each other in the afterlife

I doubt the jihadist would agree as he believes his paradise is only for him and his ilk. Both you and I are infidels and he would expect that we would be standing side by side in hell.
How's that for a different perspective and why would his view be any more right or wrong than yours?

because he is wrong, that's just how it is. what else do you expect me to say? if you need justification of why he is wrong then follow this conversation i'm about to have with jed here but its nothing i've not said on here before many times.

And you will only be having a conversation with me until such time as your lunacy ceases to amuse me.

Are you sunset cristo?

Are you Velasquez? He too used to be a forum Crusader.

Yeah I understand what you believe. The thing is what I don't think you understand is that the gospels are put together from eye witness accounts, and not a small number of them either. Luke the Evangelist was one of the most intelligent men of his time. He devoted his entire life to making an account of the life and times of Jesus and spoke to over 24,000 eye witnesses when compiling his gospel. He would have spoken to people who saw those various impossible events happen. What's your explanation for that!? all make believe? There's hard evidence of Luke's research in the Jerusalem museum, source documents, cross references by accounts of other people who happened to be in the same places at the same and time he was. I admire you're admittance that you've not done much research into it but I have. I know all about it and I'm telling you - the gospels are genuine accounts.

Yes, I know he does Jed. Just thought that fkqmz might be his alter ego as there are similarities in style if not in Scottishness.

Just out of interest, can I ask you what you think about the Jews? Do you believe that their persecution over the centuries is justified?

Not trying to make any points here, just interested.

Please, don't bother.

My church falls under the banner of conservative evangelism. this means we stick rigidly to the bible, it's our reference for everything with our focus on the teaching and instruction primarily from Jesus himself but also from the apostles. There are a lot of christian splinter groups because people will forever want to turn things to suit them. Our anglican church came to be because Henry VIII wanted to change the rules on divorce. That says it all really! Most of their beliefs can be deconstructed using biblical evidence but you wouldn't have seen this because if it's done correctly then its done in private. I'm happy though to tell you about the one you highlight - JWs believe literally in Revelation 7 which says:-

"Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 'Do not harm the land or the sea until we put the seal on the foreheads of the servants of God.' Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel."

Easy to see why they go around telling you that only 144k will be saved isn't it!??
So why are they wrong? Well what they don't tell you is the bit immediately after this says:-

"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language stnading before the Lamb."

If no one can count them how do the JWs know its 144k? So the next question obviously is: This appears quite contradictary, why include that number and what's its significance. Whilst no one can truely claim to definitively "know" what Revelation is all about, the explanation I can accept is that God showed John that number to explain who, not how many would be saved. Throughout the bible, God's people are represented by the number 12 (disciples, tribes of Israel etc). God himself is a perfect square and a thousand just refers to a great number or many times over. So 144,000 represents God with his people many many times over. I think that agrees with "a vast mutitude no one could count" so I'm happy to accept it. Its cryptic but to me, God shows John who will be saved and then demonstrates that the number is uncountable. Makes sense within the context of the whole book.
To accept this might sound like leap of faith because essentially it is but in reality, this is a side point - christians within my church disagree about the details and precise meaning of this book and that's OK because everyone agress that disagreements about Revelation are not an excuse to deny Jesus. Therefore, I might be wrong but it won't matter a jot.