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The problem of comparing accident rates between different modes of transport has a long history of circularity. Try comparing cars with bicycles and watch the same problems come up. Throw in pedestrians and.....
Perhaps better to isolate the modes and compare each with itself over time. It doesn't tell us which is safer, but it does tell us whether things are getting better or worse. In the cases of both car and air travel safety has improved. |
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Per hour planes are less safe than cars, trains, or buses.
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No one flys a ryanair to go to the shops
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Wikipedia says 30 deaths per billion hours for air travel. 130 per billion hours per car.
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Flying at a rough estimate has between 30 and 40 times more fatalities per hour spent as driving.
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And you accuse the airlines of being sly with statistics. Pot calling kettle black.
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When compared on a mile per mile basis flying is about 9 times more dangerous...and this is taking into account pedestrians killed in car accidents.
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You're trying to compare modes of transport which travel at different speeds, over widely varying distances, carry very different numbers of passengers and which are not alternatives to each other in any case.
Which one's best - Usain Bolt or Stephen Hawking? |
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Flight magazine 2004...Is flying really safer than driving ?
fatalities per 1000 hours flown or driven(USA) 2.1 general aviation 1.25 commercial aviation 0.06 motor vehicles This makes general aviation 35 times more fatal than driving and airlines 21 times more fatal. |
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Are you multiplying the aviation figure by the number of passengers per flight? If so why? That is just fiddling with statistics to prove your point.
I have possibly spent 500 or more hours on planes, by your stats I should have died. |
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The no. of passengers per flight is not part of the equation, it is simply hours spent flying compared to hours spent driving.
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“There are three degrees or classes of lies; there are lies, damned lies and statistics.” ......apparently
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In a couple of weeks i set off for a jaunt- 4 x Malaysian long haul flights + 2 x shorter Air Asia.
Oh well..... |
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lmfao, are you taking in Singapore on your jaunt.
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Strangely I enjoy flying and don`t like driving.
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I'd rather use Malaysian airlines every time I fly rather than use a bus. At least on a plane I know I am safe from drunken chavs who can't handle their drink.
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Rob you can relax the figures should read per 100 thousand hours and not 1000, sorry my mistake
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boxingfox-
possibly - we'll probably nip over to east malaysia from kl - but its been a while since i've looked at singapore so we could visit for a few days years back i was involved in somework on Santosa and i've half a mind to see the result! |
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KL to Medan in Indonesia is 1 hour flight, cost me about thirty quid. Forty quid taxi journey to Bukit Lawang in the middle of the sumatran rainforest. Accommodation is peanuts. Forty quid for a two day trek to see Orangutans and plenty of other animals in the wild. That is what I would do if I had a few days spare in KL.
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Wiki says that the ratio is 130/30 deaths per unit time cars/plane.
Your figures sound very dubious. |
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This Air Asia Airbus 32O has indeed crashed into the sea with at least 40 bodies recovered so far .
Early speculation surrounds it climbing to avoid a thunderstorm being and a suggestions it was not travelling fast enough in the climb and could have stalled resulting in complete loss of control .Plane has a good record up to now ,hopefully the black boxes are recovered soon and a crash investigation is completed quickly although a year would be a minimum .Although a preliminary report could be out after 6 months or so .Must still be plenty hardware in the area from the still missing MH-370 but not sure what sort of depth the sea is . |
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total worldwide aviation deaths in 2014 = 1212
total UK deaths resulting from car crashes, 2014 = over 2000 youre better off travelling by plane ________________ most car deaths are self inflicted |
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I'd sooner go down and die in a plane crash than a fast car crash....
I always feel a lot more vunerable going 70+ on a motorway than on a plane because of someone else's carp driving taking me out. |
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tbf pauly ,you're safer on the motorway .
try driving around Wales for a week - total lunatics in that place - not safe |
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whats the per journey figures ,there is 34m vehicles in the uk .
would really only be fair liking commercial passenger vehicles ,Taxis and buses and trains (professionally driven)in like for like journeys imo ,the stat of miles traveled is massively biased in air travels favor. would like to see the true plane v car pollution stats as well ,one plane taking off must be equal to thousands and thousands of car journeys . |
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Of course flying is more dangerous than driving. The stats rolled out to the contrary are always bollocks of the first order. In one you're travelling up to 100mph in a metal box on the ground, in the other you're travelling up to 500mph in a metal tube 35,000ft in the air. Any old fool can see which is more dangerous, but the airline statiticians like to put a comforting spin on things to suit their own ends.
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that argument doesn't work because of traffic
it's other cars that make driving more dangerous. |
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Oi, Oi, Tony Fernandez Air asia owner off loaded nearly a million shares in Air Asia travel passenger insurance company days before the accident ?
http://www.tarnews.co.za/airasia-ceo-tony-fernandes-cynically-dumped-shares-days-before-flight-disappeared/ |
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Fernandes decision to dump the shares less than a week before AirAsia Flight QZ8501 disappeared over the Java Sea prompted some to speculate that he may have had prior knowledge of the incident.
“Did Fernandes know his company stock was about to take a hit? The timing is suspicious,” asks Heavy.com, adding, “If so, it indicates knowledge of an impending attack on AirAsia.” The International Business Times adds that the move has prompted many to voice the theory that Fernandes, “possibly knew about an impending attack on one of the company’s aircraft.” |
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Quite amazing the rubbish people will believe, ample evidence on this thread that the working classes are not capable of logical thought!
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S*d that....what about the new info???
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What, the info of the dead passenger recovered wearing a life jacket even though there was no emergency message sent out by the captains to air traffic control ?
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Shirley should compare like for like: numbers killed on car journey to airport vs. killed on that plane journey.
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transfer window opening for epl maybe Fernandez wanted to free up some funds for that
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the only fair way to do it is to compare time spent in each - i mean you wouldn't go to the supermarket by airbus ,or drive to Sydney .
everyone on earth (except airline staff) spends more of their life in a car than a plane . i would say if you spent equal time in both you would still die sooner in a car . maybe you'd reach 4,000 years of age or 50 lifetimes ? before death in a car ,20,000 years maybe in a plane - assuming around 1 hour per day in each . maybe someone knows the figures |
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In the end :
It doesn't matter. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_United_States
_______________ minute for minute , the likelihood of death is around 2 to 5 x greater in the car (on an airport run ,depending on the route to the airport) ) driving around town would be safer at the lower speeds i'd guess so i'm gonna say around 3x overall as most driving time is urban driving |
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Coachbuster the wiki statistics have been incorrectly calculated.
Taking their US figures.. fatalities 1.5 per 100 million vehicle miles and fatalities 1.9 per 100,000 flt hrs If we take 40 miles per hour for cars this equates to 2.5 million vehicle hours, therefore 1.5 deaths per 2.5 million vehicle hours and 1.9 deaths per 100,000 flt. hours. Although there may be more fatalities when a single aircraft crashes this should not be taken into account because also more do not when an aircraft travels safely. |
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lfc - are you not getting confused with the flight figures ?
commercial airliners are safer , other aircraft are less safe |
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f uck me, one of the most boring dialogues I've ever read on here, I would imaging most of you are either stamp collectors or plane spotters
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