Another major airliner gone down!

Another correction -got it right now. 162 on board Including 16 kids and 1 infant.

2014  Update - accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft...

    February 16 – Nepal Airlines Flight 183, a de Havilland Canada DHC-6, crashes near Khidim about 74 kilometres southwest of Pokhara, Nepal, killing all 18 people on board.
    February 17 – Ethiopian Airlines Flight 702, a Boeing 767, is hijacked by the co-pilot while en route from Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, to Rome, Italy, but lands safely at Geneva, Switzerland. All 202 passengers and crew aboard are unharmed.
    March 8 – Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, a Boeing 777 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 227 passengers and 12 crew on board, disappears from radar over the Gulf of Thailand.
    July 17 – Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, a Boeing 777 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, is shot down over eastern Ukraine, killing all 283 passengers and 15 crew on board in the deadliest civilian airliner shootdown incident.
    July 23 – TransAsia Airways Flight 222, an ATR-72 en route from Kaohsiung to Penghu, Taiwan, crashes during go-around, killing 48 of the 58 people on board.
    July 24 – Air Algérie Flight 5017, a chartered Swiftair McDonnell Douglas MD-83 operating for Air Algérie en route from Burkina Faso to Algiers, crashes in the northern Mali desert after disappearing from radar approximately 50 minutes after takeoff, killing all 112 passengers and 6 crew members on board.
    August 10 – Sepahan Airlines Flight 5915, a HESA IrAn-140 (an Antonov An-140 built under license) crashes shortly after takeoff from Mehrabad International Airport, Iran, killing 39 of the 48 people on board.
    December 28– Indonesia AirAsia Flight 8501, an Airbus A320 was en route from Surabaya to Singapore with 155 passengers and 7 crew on board, when contact was lost with the aircraft.

called search off for the night.
Seems a bit early, yes its dark but surely they could do something?
that suggests to me they aint confident of finding survivors
how do you tell the family at the airport that they aint searching for em?

You didnt look very hard Leopard.  Fair enough if you look and miss it, but just saying you couldnt be bothered to look properly so started your own thread.... Well.

Just got in before me.

rob_dylan • December 28, 2014 7:12 PM GMT
Any more of this nonsense and I am gonna refuse to fly again.  Is that three major flights, with proper westernised airlines, gone down in a year.  Or have I missed one?  Fk that.

total worldwide aviation deaths in 2014 = 1212

total UK deaths resulting from car crashes, 2014 = over 2000

youre better off travelling by plane

President Widodo gives press conference with 20 people round him.....10 bodyguards maybe?

Travelling by plane is not as they claim the safest form of transport,it is the most dangerous...it is covered up in they way they calculate the statistics.

Travelling by Bus is far more dangerous. It's full of drunk crackers vomiting their kebabs.

Aunty Post it is simply in how they do the mathematics. The safety record eg when comparing aircraft to car travel is calculated on the miles traveled not on the no. of journeys.
Therefore if a plane travels say 5000 miles that may be only one trip and yet it could be many hundreds of car journeys over maybe a year.
Therefore it is almost inevitable that plane travel will appear to be very safe when using miles traveled when in fact it is not, just the opposite.
It is a subtle way of covering up the facts..the statistics should be based on no. of journeys, not miles travelled.

Who mentioned accidents?

This is really interesting and a classic case of how stats are used and abused to make your point depending on which side of the fence you're standing. I looked up the numbers and sure enough the air travel stats are completely misleading because they're based on miles travelled. A more accurate measure would be by time/hours but even that isn't reliable, so per journey is the fairest way to compare them.

It turns out that there are a lot more fatalities (12-15 times more) in air travel then car travel, per journey. So car travel is safer then ?   NO, and here's why.... Air travel journeys have around 100 times more people than car journeys, on average. You can argue with the number (I'm basing it on average of around 200 passengers on a flight versus 2 people in a car) but you can be sure it's an awful lot bigger than 12-15 times as many. When you factor this in, air travel is much safer than car travel.

And let's not get started on motorbikes where fatality rates absolutely dwarf all the other transport modes put together

No man has ever been killed in a car crash while wearing one blue sock, one red sock, one size 8 shoe, one size 12 wellington boot, a ra-ra skirt and an alice band, while eating cheese on toast.

Conform and live longer.

Simples.

(I would, but I can't stand cheese)

^logical, I mean.

Including cars.

No, of course not. The distance travelled is irrelevant.

But you do have to factor in the number of people being carried.
Put it this way, if cars carried the same number of passengers as planes, the number of fatalities would rival world wars.

Cars carry many more passengers every day, just not in the same car. This is why you must base it on the number of people, no. of trips.
If cars were bigger and carried more people there would be less off them and therefore less accident.(and maybe would be called a bus)

We can argue about stats all day long. But I just know I feel safer in a plane. Roads are dangerous places because there are too many nutters who either can't drive properly or won't drive sensibly. I've seen loads of road accidents, and a couple of fatalities on the road - and I don't even drive !

Per hour planes are safer than cars.  That is the important statistic.

Buses are safest generally.  Which is good news for me.