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zorrostrikes
15 Dec 14 19:53
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In 1977 - the BBC showed two programs in the HORIZON series. The examined the evidence of one old boffin that spent his entire life observing the sun.They also interviewed six solar experts in another program. ALL of these experts told us in 1977 that the temperature was due to rise by two degrees over the future fifty years.
we call this global warming or climate change today. We also blame ourselves for the current state of the planet?
total brainwashing. Cut back your usage of any resource because you are causing the end of the world.
The sun is causing the temperature rises. it is in an upward rise in output. it goes up slighty every 11 years. then plateaus for 11 then rises again. that is why there was no rise in global warming for the last eleven years - the next eleven will be heatwave years. then the following returns to a static cycle. it's revving up. in a spiral. cut back all you want - will not make a difference. the sun is the boss of you. you are not in control. accept it.

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By:
TheBetterBettor
When: 17 Dec 14 09:21
AGREED.... even if we done EVERYTHING that was needed plus tap dance whilst balancing spinning plates, it would only make a 2% difference to our predicament.
By:
naydam
When: 17 Dec 14 09:50
You might find that a 2% difference can be a very significant figure.
By:
naydam
When: 17 Dec 14 09:50
You might find that a 2% difference can be a very significant figure.
By:
naydam
When: 17 Dec 14 09:51
There's 4% already!  GrinGrin
By:
MisterBadger
When: 17 Dec 14 10:03
thanks for your well thought out and scientific analysis zorro, but I think I'll stick with the expert view thanks  Wink
By:
Clungehungry
When: 17 Dec 14 10:14
Yeah, I think I'll go with the qualified global scientific opinion, rather than some plank with low self-esteem who's read a web-page and believed everything wihtout question because he wants to think himself above the masses - or other people, as they are known to those of us without such low self-esteem.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 17 Dec 14 10:26
zorro another knock down ginger poster Grin once he's done with the opening post he's done
By:
rob_dylan
When: 17 Dec 14 11:07
Clungehungry
Clungehungry 17 Dec 14 10:14 Joined: 14 Feb 11 | Topic/replies: 9,508 | Blogger: Clungehungry's blog
Yeah, I think I'll go with the qualified global scientific opinion, rather than some plank with low self-esteem who's read a web-page and believed everything wihtout question because he wants to think himself above the masses - or other people, as they are known to those of us without such low self-esteem.


Brilliant.
By:
duncan idaho
When: 17 Dec 14 13:28
Science moved on since the days of 3 tv channels

Besides, whether global warming does for us or not, the escalating drain on resources caused by spiralling population growth will ensure the planet is impotent before very long (happily prob not before we've popped us clogs  Cool)
By:
Ivor
When: 17 Dec 14 13:34
Clungehungry 17 Dec 14
Yeah, I think I'll go with the qualified global scientific opinion, rather than some plank with low self-esteem who's read a web-page and believed everything wihtout question because he wants to think himself above the masses - or other people, as they are known to those of us without such low self-esteem.

Brilliant.

Brilliant in that he's read different web-pages and prefers to believe everything without question - like a brainwashed sheep :)
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Dec 14 13:34
There have been no scientific advances for at least 40 years.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 17 Dec 14 15:07
A lot of "qualified scientists" receive a helluva lot of funding/payment to compile their global warming reports, shouldn't be so naive clunge
By:
breadnbutter
When: 17 Dec 14 15:12
recently (last ten years )the sun has been relatively inactive with a maunder minimum argument introduced  but even then the co2 evidence would appear pretty strong.
Even though the sun has been at its most inactive last year was allegedly one of the hottest (warmest) for a wee while .
Sea temps also suggest a recent warming and world  weather patterns have changed ,of course weather and climate and temps have forever been changing but the recent topsy turvy   changes have happened quickly with rain patterns now unpredictable .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere

There been much evidence  presented that co2 has markedly  increased in the last  century or and appears this is pretty much accepted to be the root  cause ,  would also appear this coincided with the industrial revolution .The sun is still to be fully understood and exactly what effect it does have on the short term  weather  ,if it is at a maunder min or even just at a lull or low it does not explain last years reasonably good weather imo .
Weather patterns have changed and not sure they are being understood fully never mind what the causes are but will have a pound Co2 is causing heating and this is the reason ,exactly why the co2 has increased is the debate but its all a cluster**** tbh .
Although ice is melting at one pole it is increasing at the other .The biggest effect on "ever changing climate and  weather" has been the internet imo . Laugh
By:
rob_dylan
When: 17 Dec 14 16:06
Lol Ivor.  I really wanted to put some ironic reference to "sheeple" in my post but had neither the wit or intelligence to fit it in.
By:
call me a taxi
When: 17 Dec 14 16:07
All them northerners with coal fires, and posh fackers with wood burning stoves.

All that heat has got to the Arctic Circle and made a hole in the Ozone Layer. 

Save the planet by putting on fur coats indoors and leave the heating off.
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 17 Dec 14 16:24
ITS ALL THESE HAIR DRYERS AND FIRES AND CENTRAL HEATING AND ELECTRIC FIRES ITS WARMING ALL THE AIR UP CHANGING THE CLOUDS WHERE THE RAIN COMES FROM AND THE AIR TEMPERATURES ,
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 17 Dec 14 16:26
I KNOW AN ESKIMO WHO CAN PROOVE IT,EVERYTIME HE LIGHTS A FIRE IN HIS IGLOO,PART OF HIS SNOW ROOF MELTS
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 17 Dec 14 16:32
HIS WIFE MAKES HIM SMOKE OUTSIDE HIS IGLOO ,BECAUSE THE HEAT OFF HIS LIGHTER KEEPS MELTING THE WALLS,THEIR ALLWAYS ARGUING HE SAID IF IVE GOT TO SMOKE OUT SIDE THE IGLOO IN THE COLD THEN YOU CAN COOK OUT SIDE THE IGLOO IN THE COLD
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 17 Dec 14 16:32
I fancy this next ten years of rising temperatures.

I'll have a bit of that.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 17 Dec 14 16:34
What a load of toss.

Keep warm and enjoy yourselves. You're only here once.
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 17 Dec 14 16:48
you'll be warm where you're going and I don't mean bendidorm
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 17 Dec 14 17:17
Lord save us from the climate change fanatics.
There's got to be some upside to climate change.
Why do people only talk about the negatives and try to prevent the inevitable.
By:
Ivor
When: 17 Dec 14 17:23
We've not had a Climate Change Fred for weaks..
this won could run and run like detergents down a river!
By:
breadnbutter
When: 17 Dec 14 17:29
worry not  they know how to cool us down Laugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUaW3DQqPig
By:
Clungehungry
When: 17 Dec 14 17:43
Brilliant in that he's read different web-pages and prefers to believe everything without question - like a brainwashed sheep :)

Not really sure what a brainwashed sheep is? Have they been told they are an ostrich. But no, although I do look at the internet, I prefer accredited news and science sites to ones where the font is large blue and often flashing, there is advert for life-crystals in the corner, and a link to something which you suspect is going to anti-semetic but really don't to risk seeing.

More importantly though, man's impact on the environment was the subject of my university degree. You can read it if you like, there's a copy in the library. Climate change was a big deal amongst geography academics back then, not least because even though it had already been widely observed and the consequences potentially catastrophic, politicians were reluctant to do anything about it, because telling people something they don't want to hear is rarely a vote winner.

20 years on and we've made some progress. We can't relax though, because there are always going to be morons willing to believe what they want to believe, as opposed to what these 'so-called experts' or, as a sane person would call them, experts, tell them.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 17 Dec 14 17:54
Are these experts independent or do their opinions simply reflect the opinions of their bosses or the ones who are financing them?
By:
Clungehungry
When: 17 Dec 14 18:05
It would vary. Plenty of research funded by vested interests, including the incredibly powerful lobbies for say the automotive industries, who would want to pretend man-made climate change is not happening. And yet even they have had to accept it.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 17 Dec 14 18:08
What research have the motor companies commissioned?

I thought that all the opposing voices to the idea of man-made climate change had been stifled.
By:
Clungehungry
When: 17 Dec 14 18:16
Well, no, just given little credence as there is such overwhelming evidence of it.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 17 Dec 14 18:19
The Chinese don't seem impressed by it.

Overwhelming evidence of climate change or man-made climate change?

There's a big difference there.
By:
Clungehungry
When: 17 Dec 14 18:21
Probably the most notorious.

http://sumofus.org/campaigns/gm-heartland
By:
Clungehungry
When: 17 Dec 14 18:23
Well obviously there is!

And of course the Chinese government, like the American government, would want to suppress it!
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 17 Dec 14 18:27
What is the proof that the minor change to world temperatures over the last century is mad made?
Surely if the evidence was there it would be published for all to see and put an end to the scepticism over it?
By:
Ivor
When: 17 Dec 14 18:29
I do enjoy reading works by 'experts'..
Economic 'experts', 'terrorism' experts - the world is full of them. unfortunately they don't all arrive at the same conclusion after reviewing the same 'evidence'.
There IS a god ; there is NO god..
both from all the same 'evidence'.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 17 Dec 14 18:33
Why would the Chinese or the Americans want to suppress something that is claimed will be disastrous to the world?

Surely they're simply not convinced because of the lack of tangible evidence to back up the claims.
By:
Clungehungry
When: 17 Dec 14 18:41
Because it won't be disastrous YET, and in the mean time uncapped industrial growth regardless of its impact on the environment helps businessmen line their pockets and politicians stay in power.

Surely they're simply not convinced because of the lack of tangible evidence to back up the claims.'

Where to start with that?! Yes, politicians, Shell, General Motors, the tobacco industry, surely they are just being reasonably sceptical about the claims of these scientists who probably just want loads of new test tubes.

Thankfully, we finally won.
By:
Ivor
When: 17 Dec 14 18:45
.Grin
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 17 Dec 14 18:46
Won?
You're a long way from that.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 17 Dec 14 18:48
No tangible evidence then?

Shame about that.
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