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By:
Clungehungry
When: 12 Dec 14 00:08
Apologies if this has been already covered, but Brand showed himself up to be **** he is, ably assisted by some nasty halfwits in the audience. Never trust rich people who claim to speak for the poor. That was probably Farage's best debate to date, but it was the guy in the white shirt with the cane who absolutely wiped the floor with him. So good, you suspect it might have been set up.
By:
bodil
When: 12 Dec 14 00:10
Rich people claiming to speak for the poor - isn't that an accurate description of the current Labour Party?
By:
The Leopard
When: 12 Dec 14 00:11
Cane guy was a thick pr*tt
By:
boxingthefox
When: 12 Dec 14 00:13
Come on Leopard, admit it, Your boy took one hell of a beating.LaughLaughLaugh beat himself actually.
By:
The Leopard
When: 12 Dec 14 00:14
He is better in a free for all.

1 on 1 with Farage , Nige would be screaming for mercy !
By:
boxingthefox
When: 12 Dec 14 00:15
Laugh
By:
themightymac
When: 12 Dec 14 00:18
ffs Angel Gabrial, you cost me 2 grand plus there, I bet the overs for £500 on the over/under 1.5 market, the amount of times SlippyBlue would name drop Farage.

1. “Seriously, Nigel has not changed since I met him as a teenager”

No response on forum so:

2. “Seriously, Nigel has not changed since I met him as a teenager. In the debating society he was without peer”

No response on forum so:

3. “I'm seriously thinking of voting for my old schoolmate Nigel”

£750 profit but it could easily have been 2k if you had kept your gub shut Devil

He`ll be telling us next that his pal used to write Thatcher The Witche`s speeches. Devil
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 12 Dec 14 00:20
Flattrack, small field and I'm sure Brand would come in to his own. Grin
By:
themightymac
When: 12 Dec 14 00:21
"Never trust rich people who claim to speak for the poor."

What a load of pish.
By:
kenny mann
When: 12 Dec 14 00:22
Laugh

Bet he was delighted when I recounted how Nige made him head prefect.
By:
Capt__F
When: 12 Dec 14 00:28
Making plans foe Nigel
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 12 Dec 14 00:29
Sorry Mac i gave into temptation, i can resist anything but. I was going to hangout for more but the urge got me!
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 12 Dec 14 00:31
Poor Angel has been crushed tonight. Calling for Brand to have his nose checked for blood. I'd have checked for something else up there at the start. He came in like a peacocck only for Farage to turn him into a feather duster by halfway. By the end Farage had a double handful belonging to the buxom Tory girl next to him while Brand had to content himself with the blue haired Nora Batty look alike at the back who kept shouting, I'm coming for you Farage. Poor Brand was so crest fallen at tonights turn of events that he was heard muttering as he was helped off stage, where's my supporter? Perhaps she'll come for me as well.
By:
The Leopard
When: 12 Dec 14 00:32
^ In the realms
By:
themightymac
When: 12 Dec 14 00:33
I was only following the thread to see how many times he would mention it when no one was biting. The more times he did it, the harder I laughed. LaughLaughLaugh
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 12 Dec 14 00:34
Brand is handicapped to hilt, i won`t be backing him again.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 12 Dec 14 00:35
Laugh me to.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 12 Dec 14 08:34
Read some reports and come to the conclusion it was a draw.

Though calling Farage a Pound Shop Enoch Powell will be remembered more than anything Farage said.
By:
flushgordon1
When: 12 Dec 14 09:18
1.000001 landed-bunny la roche tatooed,pierced socialist workers party ira supporter.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 12 Dec 14 09:20
Poor russell needed some more hint cards.

That labour woman was pathetic, never answered a single question all, when asked a simple question she tried to attack the other parties, i suppose that is politics for you.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 12 Dec 14 09:34
How the Guardian saw it below.  Virtually no mention of that bloke who said he should stand for election.  That was the end of it for Brand.  Welcome to big school, all his pinko stooges weren't helping him, in fact they were whooping and hollering against him.  "I don't want to become one of them" was as pathetic a response as you could imagine.  Not a small part of Russell Brand died right there and then.

It was the hottest ticket of the panto season: Russell Brand up against Nigel Farage on Question Time. Brand’s only other appearance on the show had been a disappointment, the anticipated confrontation with Boris Johnson turning out to be a mutual love-in, and panel chairman David Dimbleby was determined no one should go home disappointed this time round. “Is the petty, adversarial nature of politics causing its own demise?” said Dimbleby, repeating the first member of the audience’s question. “Russell Brand?”

“Good question mate it is definitely adversal there is a detachment and people are detached,” said Brand, his delivery more staccato and nervy than usual. He was clearly trying to be on his best behaviour, so Dimbleby turned to Farage in search of more excitement. “Russell Brand is right,” said the Ukip leader. “It’s all about what tie a politician is wearing and what hairdresser he goes to … Everyone in parliament is a career politician.”

Sensing that the show might be turning flat, Dimbleby looked to one of the panel’s supporting cast, Conservative communities minister Penny Mordaunt, and reminded her that she had said the word “****” six times in a parliamentary speech for a bet. Mordaunt suddenly remembered she ought to have listened to her first instinct and declined to appear on the programme. From there on in, she could only play catch-up.

Mary Creagh, the shadow minister for international relations and one of the most impressive members of Labour’s frontbench team, had come with a game plan: make a point succinctly and get out fast while the going was good. It worked well for her. No one came close to landing a punch on her and Brand gave her a wide berth after she picked him up for shouting down women. “I’m working on my sexist language,” he said, unconvincingly.

Dimbleby was now looking a happy man. Brand was going off on extended riffs about not voting and greedy bankers, Nigel was going red, and the audience were arguing with one another. The public and Brand may say they want their politics to be less adversal in parliament and for Ed Militant and David Cameron to behave better at prime minister’s questions, but no one had turned this on for a reasoned debate. Which is almost what they got from Sunday Times columnist Camilla Cavendish. Dimbleby moved on as soon as decently possible.

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Is Britain overcrowded? Who would have guessed there would be a question about immigration? “Nigel Farage,” said Dimbleby. Cue a long “this-saddens-me-to-say-as-much-as-it-does-you-to-hear-it” riff about how the man from the Office for Budget Responsibility who said Britain needed more immigration is an idiot and that while it might seem from a plane over Gatwick as if there was a lot of green space if you look close there were queues at hospitals and schools backed up all the way to Poland.

Brand did a quick yoga pose, bringing his hands down across his face in prayer to the almighty transcendental being that controls the cosmos, before going mildly berserk. It’s not about immigrants it’s about bankers ripping everyone off he’s a pound-shop Enoch and if George Osborne caps their bonuses the moon will be in Libra. Creagh made the same point coherently but was drowned out by the audience, who had remembered that mass participation was the essence of panto. Do we want more immigrants? “Oh, yes we do,” yelled half of them. “Oh, no we don’t,” said the rest. “Oh, yes we do.” “Oh we don’t.”

Normally a hardline interventionist whenever the audience get a bit uppity, Dimbleby was happy to sit back and let this one run. Realising that no one was now actually in charge of the show, Cavendish tried to restore some order. But even she got caught up in the excitement and for once her reason deserted her. “People just want controlled immigration,” she declared. “That doesn’t mean we would let fewer people into the country.”

No one seemed to notice that she had just implied Britain should have loads more border police that ask immigrants tricky questions for a couple of hours and then just say, “Come on in”, because all any of the panel now cared about was getting through the rest of the show unscathed. With the programme in the bag, Dimbleby eased up to allow his guests to stick to their familiar party lines on the NHS and education. Mother Goose had delivered her golden egg.

Quotes:
Russell Brand:

• “His mates in the City farted and Nigel Farage is pointing at immigrants and the disabled and holding his nose”

• “This man is not a cartoon character ... He is a pound-shop Enoch Powell”

• “Education, health, a living wage – these things are all rights, not things that we should be squabbling over”

• “I would stand for parliament but I would be afraid I would become one of them.”

Nigel Farage:

• “I’m not the wealthy one on this panel.”

• “We have seen the growth of a career political class, that have never had a job in their lives ... I’ve spent 20 years in business. Has Ed Miliband spent six weeks in business?”

• “One of the biggest mistakes we’ve made in the last 50 years is the wanton destruction of hundreds of grammar schools.”
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 12 Dec 14 09:35
Though calling Farage a Pound Shop Enoch Powell will be remembered more than anything Farage said.

Absolutely, but Brand even put his foot in it there.

Mentioning any politician in the same breath as Enoch Powell is high praise indeed.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 12 Dec 14 09:37
Item here about Russell Brand on the BBC website

The comic actor and campaigner Russell Brand has won the Plain English Campaign Foot in Mouth award, for the most baffling quotes by a public figure.

Awarded for his public speaking and writing, the judges said Brand was almost in a field of his own, and described his message as "entertainingly garbled".


While others would describe the noise he makes as simply garbled.
By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 12 Dec 14 10:14
didnt see it....

but did they ask when they will bring down house prices and rents in line with how we get paid and live?

till thats sorted the uk is heading one way.
we will be a 3rd rate nation by the time the rest of the eu has controlled its way out of the sub prime fiasco.
By:
boxingthefox
When: 12 Dec 14 12:36
It looked like a premier club (Farage) Vs a non league side Brand) in the cup, almost impossible to look good whatever you do, the level of debate was always going to be scrappy and Brand did himself no good trying to personalize the debate with name calling at gutter level.

Brand is standing on the sidelines of politics like a dad at a Sunday match making a lot of noise which contributes nothing and just annoys the participants and others interested in the outcome. Everything he says is negative, he complains about everything in our society, a society which affords his minimal talent a very good living, without having the "pressure of offering a viable alternative.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 12 Dec 14 12:43
Good question mate it is definitely adversal there is a detachment and people are detached,” said Brand, his delivery more staccato and nervy than usual. He was clearly trying to be on his best behaviour, so Dimbleby turned to Farage in search of more excitement. “Russell Brand is right,” said the Ukip leader. “It’s all about what tie a politician is wearing and what hairdresser he goes to … Everyone in parliament is a career politician.”


I`m sure Farage did not say “Russell Brand is right,” regarding the answer to the first question.

I was sure Farage said "John is right" John being the audience member who asked the question. So i think sloppy journalism from the Guardian to kick off.
By:
flushgordon1
When: 12 Dec 14 12:56
But the guardians article started with the headline.

Left wing firebrand v Right wing rabble rouser.
It does not even mention the extreme left wing nutter bunny boiler.
By:
Thin and Crispy
When: 12 Dec 14 13:04
I do feel that Brand would be more at home spouting sh1te on a forum...say this one.
By:
boxingthefox
When: 12 Dec 14 13:10
LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 12 Dec 14 13:19
Answer time
#BBCQT
I’ve just got home from recording bbc tv’s political debate show Question Time and if you saw it and found it anti-climactic, I know how you feel.
Nigel Farage in the flesh, gin blossomed flesh that it is, inspires sympathy more than fear, an end of the pier, end of the road, end of days politician, who like many people who drink too much has a certain sloppy sadness. Camilla Cavendish who I was sat next to, seemed kindly and the two politicians from opposing parties, that flanked Dimbleby melted into an indistinguishable potage of cautious wonk words before I could properly learn which was blue and which was red. For my part I sat politely on my hands, keen to avoid hollering obscenities after a week of hypocrisy accusations and half-arsed, front page controversy.
Only the audience inspire passion or connection. Humanity. The usual preposterous jumble that you see in any of our towns, even if groomed and prepped by Auntie, they comparatively throb with authenticity opposite us, across the shark-eyed bank of cumbersome cameras.
The panelists have been together in “the green room” chatting, like before any TV show, and that’s what QT is, a TV show, a timid and tepid debate where the topics and dynamism of the discussion are as wooden and flat as the table we gamely sit around.
There is a practice question prior to the record, so the cameras can position and mics can be checked and the audience can practice harrumphing. In my dressing room at the modern Kentish theatre, before my sticky descent, I can hear them being prepped “ask questions, quarrel, applaud, keep those hands up”.
The practice question is a soft ball rhubarb toss about clumping kids or something and even though I’m determined to concentrate like a grown up, my mind drifts back to the Canterbury Food Bank I visited before arriving, partly to learn about it, as a researcher told me there might be question on them and first hand knowledge would make me look good, and partly because, y’know, I actually care.
In a warehouse in a retail park Christians and sixth formers assemble bags of what would rightly be considered “staples” in a kinder world. Tins of food and packets of biscuits and it’s good that we’re near to the “White Cliffs of Dover” because it feels like there’s a war on and the livid coloured packaging goes sepia in my mind as Dame Vera scores the melancholy scene.
The Christians are as Christians are, kind and optimistic. The donations come from ordinary local folk “We get more from the poorer people” says Martin, a quick deputy in a cuddly jumper. “More from Asda shoppers than Waitrose.” As I contemplate cancelling my Ocado (or whatever the **** it’s called) order Chrissy, the lady who runs the scheme says that this year people who received packages previously have now donated themselves. Previous recipients often volunteer an all. Here older folk and the students diligently box off the nosh and I determine to give them and their heartening endeavor a shout out on the show and my writhing, nervous gut begins to settle.
Chrissy explains how the Canterbury Food Bank has brought people together, not just those it feeds but those who volunteer. “It seemed like a good way to worship Christ” she says. Martin, who I am starting to gently fall in love with, observes that supermarkets profit from the enterprise as Food Bank campaigns encourage their customers to spend more there. “Do you think there’s an obligation for the state to feed people?” I ask “or room for a bit more Jesus kicking the money lenders out of the temple type stuff?”
They smile.
Many who use their facility are people that work full time and still fall short, others have suffered under “benefit sanctions”. “They’re very quick to cut off people’s benefits these days” says Martin.
“People think that Canterbury is affluent, but all around us are pockets of the hidden hungry”. The hidden hungry. “I’m gonna use that” I tell him as I scarper. He makes a very British joke about charging me as I get in the car and I tell him I nicked some jammy dodgers, and we laugh so that’s alright.
I think about the hidden hungry as I settle into my QT chair and get “mic’d up”. Farage entered to a simultaneous cheer and jeer, they cancel each other out, like bose headphones and leave an eerie silence. David Dimbleby says something about it being panto season and someone in the audience says “oh no it isn’t” and I love him for it, even though I’m pretty sure he was one of the UKip cheerers.
And a pantomime it is, well not so entertaining, no flouncing dames or doleful Buttons or rousing songs, just semi-staged tittle-tattle and bickering. The only worthwhile sentiments, be they raging or insightful come from the audience, across the camera bank. The man who brings up politicians pay rises, the man who demands I stand for parliament (so that he could not vote for me judging from his antipathy), the mad, lovely blue hair woman who swears at everyone, mostly though the woman who says “Why are we talking about immigrants? It’s a side issue, this crisis was caused by financial negligence and the subsequent bail-out”. This piece of rhetoric more valuable than anything I could’ve said, including my pound-shop Enoch Powell gag. More potent than the one thing I regret not saying because time and format did not permit it. That the people have the wisdom, not politicians, that the old paradigm is broken and will not be repaired. That the future is collectivised power. Parliamentary politics is dead, they, it’s denizens, wandering from aye to neigh from Tory to UKip know it’s dead and we know it’s dead. Farage is worse than stagnant, he is a tribute act, he is a nostalgic spasm for a Britain that never was; an infinite cricket green with no one from the colonies to raise the game, grammar schools on every corner and shamed women breastfeeding under giant parasols. The Britain of the future will be born of alliances between ordinary, self-governing people, organised locally, communicating globally. Built on principles that are found in traditions like Christianity; community, altruism, kindness, love.
In the “practice question” Farage says it’s okay to hit children “it’s good for them to be afraid” he said. There is a lot of fear about in our country at the moment and he is certainly benefiting from it. But the Britain I love is unafraid and brave. We have a laugh together, we take care of one another, we love an underdog and we unite to confront bullies. We voluntarily feed the poor when the government won’t do it. These ideas and actions that I saw in the food bank and across the camera bank are where the real power lies and this new power is the answer, no question about it.
By:
Ken Masters
When: 12 Dec 14 13:36
Parklife!
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 12 Dec 14 13:41
in case yo didn't know, but I'm sure you'd worked it out anyway, the mouthy woman who modeled herself on William Wallace's gran was a UAF plant.
By:
boxingthefox
When: 12 Dec 14 13:44
BB, I long for the good ol days when we could burn witches like this. LaughShockedLaugh
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 12 Dec 14 13:44
She was a prickly B-B.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 12 Dec 14 15:01
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30450281

Still trading insults.
By:
Injera
When: 12 Dec 14 16:42
Saw most of the clips between Farage and Brand.

How Brand was not censored for his personal abuse I'll never know. I knew he was crass but that was pitiful.

He sparked that daft woman at the back to say 'Farage I'm coming for you' and 'you're racist scum'.

As Churchill rightly said 'The anti fascists of today will become the fascists of tomorrow'.
By:
Wesdag
When: 12 Dec 14 17:24
Russell Brand is so full of sh!t.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 12 Dec 14 17:35
That youtube link is brilliant Tiptheodds.
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 12 Dec 14 17:38
Farage and Brand were both winners - they're two sides of the same coin.

They engage the general public, they provoke reactions, they are personable, you'd have a drink with them they are (relatively) honest.

This is going to be an interesting general election coming up
By:
Injera
When: 12 Dec 14 17:49
Tip the Odds - Gordon Brown said 'British jobs for British Workers'.

Cameron is saying no benefits to migrants for 2 years.

Milliband is saying something similar.

Farage has got them running for cover. Not hard, but he's speaking some home truths.

As for this 'privately educated' thing. What's wrong with a parent wanting the best for their kids??!! Any family paying for education (or health) is saving the country a huge amount. (Never gets said..funny that.)
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