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1.01 Facts will have something to say.
It took a long time for FACTS to rise to the bait today. |
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Glad I bought some meaning to your sad life
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It's a bias obnoxious programme
As they all are. I watched one episode of an older series. One of the programme's 'stars' was a woman called 'White Dee' She said that the TV crew spent weeks filming, and there are plenty down her road who worked, but when the rubbish was edited, the workers never got a mention at all. I stopped watching after one programme. |
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Posted this on facebook just now, it rather summarises my opinion. There ARE people who slip through the safety net, but lack of food is not the hole they fall through.
I have kind of mixed feelings about food banks, or rather how they've become such a political football. Time and time again you see people saying how bad it is that people have to rely on food banks. But that's simply not the case. Food banks only exist in very wealthy countries, where people spend far less of their income than they used to on food. It's around 9% now, was 15% before the recession, and 33% 50 years ago. In other parts of the world it is as high as 50%. Don't get me wrong, I think they are a good thing, but they are a sign of wealth and generosity, not hardship. I was briefly unemployed 20 years ago, and had way less to get by on than today's unemployed. But I still managed to feed myself. Living off cheap food might not be that nice, but it's a lot nicer than turning up to hospital and finding they can't treat you, or can't fund the drugs that will keep you alive. Nobody starves to death in the UK through lack of money. |
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' ......Nobody starves to death in the UK through lack of money.....'
Oh yes they do. |
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I've read some of the report into 'hunger in Britain'.
What is absent is any reference to peoples' own responsibility to be clever, ingenious and shrewd when it comes to housekeeping. Buying, storing and cooking food well is the key and yet it's absent in the report. If I was poor I would do all I could to learn how to make every last penny count in buying the types of food that store well, can be cooked in different ways and are filling. Ideas on this thread already include oats and rice. I buy rice in 10kg bags for £15. It works out at about 14p a portion. The report mentions a high percentage of kids arriving at school having not eaten brekkie. And the govt gets the blame.... You couldn't make this up.. |
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Facts 08 Dec 14 15:36 Joined: 05 May 03 | Topic/replies: 15,982 | Blogger: Facts's blog
' ......Nobody starves to death in the UK through lack of money.....' Oh yes they do. Really? how could it possibly happen, please elaborate? |
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The report mentions a high percentage of kids arriving at school having not eaten brekkie. And the govt gets the blame....
You couldn't make this up.. This is my theory. sh1t parents are to blame. And to a lesser extent governments that allow sh1t parents to get away with it. ie. pinko governments. |
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You couldn't make this up..
But your quite happy to.! 13 million living below the poverty line in the UK . 50% of which are working. Many of these drastically poor people are having to make the daily choice about wether to buy / cook food, or spend the money on heating their homes instead. |
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are you a stooge?
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The poverty line is typically defined by those living below 60% of the average income. 60% of the average income in the UK is still a shedload of money compared to most of the other people in the world. I'm not defending wealthy bankers/politicians, but saying that people are starving when in fact obesity is a bigger problem among the poor is just ridiculous.
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.......The death of a child is always a tragedy. The avoidable deaths of thousands of children under five years old every year in the UK is a scandal, according to the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health (RCPCH) and the National Children's Bureau, who say that inequalities in our society which leave many families in poverty and deprivation are to blame.
Their views, expressed in a report this week, Why Children Die, put flesh on stark new statistics published on Friday from the most authoritative number-crunchers on health in the world, the Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation in Seattle, part of the University of Washington. In their paper, published in the Lancet, they show that children under five in the UK are more likely to die than in any other western European country except Malta. Nearly five babies of every 1,000 born in the UK will not live to their fifth birthday. The data is broken down by life stages. The UK does particularly badly in the first six days of life, in one month to a year and – worst of all – in ages one to four. The reasons are slightly different, but there is one outstanding link factor: deaths rise with socio-economic deprivation. In 2012, 3,000 died under the age of one. Those babies tend to be premature and of low birthweight. Their mothers may be young and still growing themselves, they may be smokers or they may not eat well – the RCPCH report says the increasing number of people accessing food banks is a concern....... |
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The poverty line is ridiculously high. Hence so many are 'classified' as being in poverty..
I believe it's calculated based on peoples' incomes compared with those around them. That is a bit silly imo. Just because many in society are well off doesn't then mean those less so are in poverty.. |
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http://www.jrf.org.uk/sites/files/jrf/poverty-definitions.pdf
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They may be smokers...brilliant! Cost of a packet of cigs, 8 quid, cost of four pints milk, 1 quid.
That doesn't mean there isn't a relationship between socio-economic deprivation and ill health - there clearly is - but food that they could easily afford anyway is not the solution. |
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I’ve seen very little genuine poverty in this country, I don’t say it doesn’t exist but I challenge your figures, 13 million people in this country may or may not be in relative poverty but that isn’t real poverty by a LONG CHALK.
Try reading “Road To Wigan Pier” or “Down and Out In Paris And London” or travel to Africa to see real poverty. I’ve been in Africa a few times and seen the real McCoy up close and it’s pretty grim. Real poverty is where you’re GENUINELY at risk of starving etc or dying for lack of basic medical care. NOT can’t afford my shopping or electric cos I blew it on cider , ****, betfair , fobt etc etc. In my teens I used to work in a corner shop in a village that was a mix of private and council houses, I saw plenty of the benefits street type characters then, none of them were in REAL poverty. One set of kids were maybe scraping along the bottom but they were still being fed, if their useless mother didn’t blow as much of her dole on Ace Lager and cheap **** they’d have been in a better state. |
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How do food banks work? Having read through this read I'm beginning to suspect it's not a place where you can store your elk if you don't have enough room in your own freezer.
More like a place where you can get free food if you can't or don't want to pay for it? Do you have to prove that you're out of money and hungry, or do they just take your word for it? Open to illegal immigrants? How often, and how much food can you get from there? All over the country or just in some places? Who pays for the food / donates the food to the food banks? Thank you:) |
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The definition of poverty is a joke but very few people seem to understand what it is.
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these city dwellers need teaching the ways of the countryside, there's loads of food out there and all free. God forbid there was ever a massive war again, but if there was those in the cities and towns wouldn't have a clue how to survive. The last 70 years has made this country soft.
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A large % wouldn't know how to make a shepherds pie from scratch let alone grow and source their own food
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Christ the utter **** that's getting posted on this thread beggars belief.
Why argue and go out of your way to be so disingenuous about sections of a society you live in ? |
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Shameful
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Facts. Do you understand the definition of poverty and do you think it is even remotely sensible or relevant.
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if there was a massive war i think the streetwise would be the only ones who survived....not the likes of ian duncan smith who says he could manage on 50 quid a week.....
anyone can say they can do anything....but getting yer hands dirty is a different matter. id love to see him scrape some of his colleagues up off the floor if a ruskie shell hit whilest in the middle of sucking the orange.... |
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Most Politicians and People who Live South of Birmingham, Peterborough and Norwich,
Are Really out of touch on what is going on in England, Too many Sheeple!. |
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the streetwise would kill each other and go looting
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the streetwise know where to go looting....they cant feed their guard dogs for too long
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The report mentions a high percentage of kids arriving at school having not eaten brekkie. And the govt gets the blame....
I help out at a local school and particularly help with what are known as the disadvantaged kids. The reason they come to school with no breakfast is nothing to do with lack of money or the Governments fault. Sorry but it's just bad parenting. We club together to give them something to eat when they come to school and finish lessons early so we can feed them something before they go home. Not being on the staff I am not told what exactly are the problems at home but one teacher told me when I started that it was better not to know as a lot of it is too upsetting and difficult to cope with. |
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I Remember when we got Free milk at school, now Who? put and end to that.
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The reason they come to school with no breakfast is nothing to do with lack of money or the Governments fault. Sorry but it's just bad parenting.
what evidence do you have of this? |
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Well the answer isnt just THATCHER as no doubt you think.
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I bet my neighbour is counted in that poverty figure. She is not in poverty imo. She is a pig. And her children suffer as a result. Giving her free food(which she can afford thanks to benefits really) doesn't help her it just lets her get away with being a sh1t mum.
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sidthekid....the same evil b1tch that basically caused the housing benefits scandal now and cheaply sold off what would be great earnings from national companies ....which now can not help the deficit.
yet to some fkin numpties it was the right thing to do ![]() |
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wasn't Harold Wilson the first to stop school milk?
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Replies: 113
Burton-Brewers Burton-Brewers 08 Dec 14 17:14 Joined: 01 Feb 12 | Topic/replies: 11,178 | Blogger: Burton-Brewers's blog wasn't Harold Wilson the first to stop school milk? I would love it if you are right. |
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If we leave Europe, why do "People" think Europe will stop trading with the UK, We do more importing than Exporting,
What is our Best Home/Produced grown asset?, We have not been self-sufficient for years, Children think Milk comes from a superstore and not a Cow. |
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I know I am right, Thatcher only continued doing what he started 3 years earlier
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He is right. He stopped it to all secondary schools then Thatcher extended it to primary schools so she was merely extending a labour idea. A lot like zero hours contracts really.
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Thatcher didn't even want to get rid of it but she was over ruled by Ted Heath
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Now THERE is a man who looked after children.
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