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Russian doping claims: 99% of athletes guilty, German TV alleges
As many as 99% of Russian athletes are guilty of doping, a German TV documentary has alleged.
The programme claims that Russian officials systematically accepted payment from athletes to supply banned substances and cover up tests.
The documentary, shown by Das Erste, also implicates the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) in covering up the abuse.
The Russian Athletics Federation (RAF) says the allegations are "lies".
However, the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) has said it will "fully investigate" the claims.
The BBC has not independently verified the documentary's allegations and is awaiting responses from athletes targeted in the programme.
In the documentary, broadcast on Wednesday, former discus thrower Yevgeniya Pecherina claimed that "most, the majority, 99%" of athletes selected to represent Russia use banned substances.
"You can get absolutely everything," added the 25-year-old Russian. "Everything the athlete wants."
Pecherina is currently serving a 10-year doping ban that is due to end in 2023. She had already been handed a two-year suspension in 2011.
Liliya Shobukhova, who won the London Marathon in 2010, is also interviewed in the programme and admits paying the Russian Athletics Federation 450,000 euros (£350,000) to cover up a positive doping test.
She is currently serving a two-year ban after irregularities were detected in her biological passport.
The documentary also included an undercover video purporting to show 800m runner Mariya Savinova, who won gold at the 2012 Olympics in London, admitting to using the banned steroid oxandrolone.
The video was dubbed into German with the original audio track absent, but the channel said it possessed an unedited version.
As many as 99% of Russian athletes are guilty of doping, a German TV documentary has alleged.
The programme claims that Russian officials systematically accepted payment from athletes to supply banned substances and cover up tests.
The documentary, shown by Das Erste, also implicates the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) in covering up the abuse.
The Russian Athletics Federation (RAF) says the allegations are "lies".
However, the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) has said it will "fully investigate" the claims.
The BBC has not independently verified the documentary's allegations and is awaiting responses from athletes targeted in the programme.
In the documentary, broadcast on Wednesday, former discus thrower Yevgeniya Pecherina claimed that "most, the majority, 99%" of athletes selected to represent Russia use banned substances.
"You can get absolutely everything," added the 25-year-old Russian. "Everything the athlete wants."
Pecherina is currently serving a 10-year doping ban that is due to end in 2023. She had already been handed a two-year suspension in 2011.
Liliya Shobukhova, who won the London Marathon in 2010, is also interviewed in the programme and admits paying the Russian Athletics Federation 450,000 euros (£350,000) to cover up a positive doping test.
She is currently serving a two-year ban after irregularities were detected in her biological passport.
The documentary also included an undercover video purporting to show 800m runner Mariya Savinova, who won gold at the 2012 Olympics in London, admitting to using the banned steroid oxandrolone.
The video was dubbed into German with the original audio track absent, but the channel said it possessed an unedited version.
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Everyone in the sport knows this (or at least has suspected as much). A bit like cycling in the 90's and 00's. Seb Coe as a massive job to do if he wins the IAAF presidency to claw back the credibility with the general sporting public. Nobody believes what they are seeing any more. Rumours that doping is rife in Kenya amongst distance runners have been doing the rounds for several years too.
The Irish champion was arrested half way around the "Tour de France" for dope peddling
I'll get me shamrock.
I'll get me shamrock.
Of course what this story points out is if all the Russians are doping and not getting caught then the anti-doping program is useless - bringing all athletes under suspicion - there's no reason to believe anyone we see is clean.
All top sportsmen and women are doping - Russian or not.
All top sportsmen and women are doping - Russian or not.
Lift the ban and let them take what they want and we can all look forward to the first sub minute mile.
With the huge amounts of money at stake in all professional sports these days all sports must have a doping problem. We like to think that it always Johnny Foreigner who is doping and not our beloved sports people but common sense tells you otherwise. Common sense also tells you to wonder about football with the enormous fortunes to be had for success. How much is up for grabs for the winner of the Champions League?
Rugby players have become much bigger stronger and faster lately.
I disagree with the rugby players
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The first person to know that Marion Jones was on drugs
was probably Ekaterini Thanou
was probably Ekaterini Thanou
Greeks were at it for a long while too, Darren Campbell robbed off 200m gold in Sydnet by a Greek journeyman athlete who later staged a fake motorbike crash to avoid a doping test
why no inquiry Jamaica
There was a WADA audit a year ago. Not much was made public, but it did lead to the entire Jamaican anti-doping board resigning.
There was a WADA audit a year ago. Not much was made public, but it did lead to the entire Jamaican anti-doping board resigning.
staged a fake motorbike crash to avoid a doping test
yes and the other one on the bike was Ekaterini Thanou
yes and the other one on the bike was Ekaterini Thanou
Not like it's a new thing. The 1980 Olympic final medal table is so appallingly bent, it's quite funny. (NB, the Americans weren't there, but USSR and East Germany having 10x as many golds as the third place country - Bulgaria!!! - is beyond parody).
Rank Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total
1 Soviet Union (URS) 80 69 46 195
2 East Germany (GDR) 47 37 42 126
3 Bulgaria (BUL) 8 16 17 41
4 Cuba (CUB) 8 7 5 20
5 Italy (ITA) 8 3 4 15
6 Hungary (HUN) 7 10 15 32
7 Romania (ROU) 6 6 13 25
8 France (FRA) 6 5 3 14
9 Great Britain (GBR) 5 7 9 21
10 Poland (POL) 3 14 15 32
Rank Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total
1 Soviet Union (URS) 80 69 46 195
2 East Germany (GDR) 47 37 42 126
3 Bulgaria (BUL) 8 16 17 41
4 Cuba (CUB) 8 7 5 20
5 Italy (ITA) 8 3 4 15
6 Hungary (HUN) 7 10 15 32
7 Romania (ROU) 6 6 13 25
8 France (FRA) 6 5 3 14
9 Great Britain (GBR) 5 7 9 21
10 Poland (POL) 3 14 15 32
There was a WADA audit a year ago. Not much was made public, but it did lead to the entire Jamaican anti-doping board resigning.
Strange how some sports and countries seem to be able to keep things under the radar.
Strange how some sports and countries seem to be able to keep things under the radar.
As an athletics fan for many, many years, the thing that irritates me is that it's very easy to sling sh1t at that sport
regarding drugs because they do catch and ban high profile athletes, as they also do in cycling,
when other sports where drugs would clearly be beneficial, like football, rugby, cricket and tennis hardly get a mention.
regarding drugs because they do catch and ban high profile athletes, as they also do in cycling,
when other sports where drugs would clearly be beneficial, like football, rugby, cricket and tennis hardly get a mention.
Drugs in football and tennis are no where near as beneficial as they are in Athletics
I don't see why not. A footballer can run 10K during a match and a 5 set tennis match can last 3 or 4 hours
with recovery needed for the next match within a day or so. Why wouldn't EPO or HGH or even steroids be beneficial ?
with recovery needed for the next match within a day or so. Why wouldn't EPO or HGH or even steroids be beneficial ?
There's no doubt in my mind that doping is rife in football and tennis - and that the game's biggest stars are all at it. Everyone's making too much money to do anything about it and noone really cares.
Ah, I see - strength and fitness aren't significant factors in tennis and football.
They, unlike Cycling and Sprinting, is not literally the be all and end all, good training and recovery techniques suffice - they have plenty of drugs tests in football and even turn up to training and homes unannounced to take the tests - and pretty much they only really find in their systems the use of recreational non performance enhancing stimulants.
The demands of Grand Slam tennis tournaments are exactly the same demands placed upon cyclists by the Tour de France. In fact, anabolic steroids and blood doping may as well have been invented for tennis players.
The purpose of steroids is not so much to ensure outstanding and outlying one-off performances, but to enable the taker to train longer and harder than the non-taker, thus making such performances more likely.
There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that two current top-ten players owe their fortunes to the use of PEDs, and that football clubs, cyclists and various other of their countrymen have been involved in systematic drug misuse for decades. It's all very well trying to right the historical wrongs of long-forgotten Olympiads and pointing the blame at reds under the bed or black bogeymen, but it's happening here, in Europe, America, everywhere.
The purpose of steroids is not so much to ensure outstanding and outlying one-off performances, but to enable the taker to train longer and harder than the non-taker, thus making such performances more likely.
There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that two current top-ten players owe their fortunes to the use of PEDs, and that football clubs, cyclists and various other of their countrymen have been involved in systematic drug misuse for decades. It's all very well trying to right the historical wrongs of long-forgotten Olympiads and pointing the blame at reds under the bed or black bogeymen, but it's happening here, in Europe, America, everywhere.
If tennis and football were predominately down to skill you'd get top players playing into their forties. Fact is you don't because they no longer have the necessary speed, strength and stamina.
Scandinavian Haven.
I would refer you to Operation Puerto. Although only cyclists' were named Dr Fuentes admitted treating people from other sports including tennis and football. Former cyclist Jesús Manzano told reporters from France 3 that he had seen "well-known footballers" from La Liga visit the offices of Dr Fuentes.
President of FIFA Sepp Blatter, at a World Anti-Doping Agency meeting in Montreal, was reportedly interested in the contents "of the Puerto file". Le Monde had reported in December 2006 that they had possession of documents of Fuentes detailing "seasonal preparation plans" for Spanish football clubs FC Barcelona and Real Madrid. These plans did not specifically name any players.
I would refer you to Operation Puerto. Although only cyclists' were named Dr Fuentes admitted treating people from other sports including tennis and football. Former cyclist Jesús Manzano told reporters from France 3 that he had seen "well-known footballers" from La Liga visit the offices of Dr Fuentes.
President of FIFA Sepp Blatter, at a World Anti-Doping Agency meeting in Montreal, was reportedly interested in the contents "of the Puerto file". Le Monde had reported in December 2006 that they had possession of documents of Fuentes detailing "seasonal preparation plans" for Spanish football clubs FC Barcelona and Real Madrid. These plans did not specifically name any players.
Joey Barton has never been tested properly because he is cack
You're meant to go after the top performers, the suspicious players on Duracell batteries running from 0-90 not a part time 'professional' baller who likes to stick a boot in.
You're meant to go after the top performers, the suspicious players on Duracell batteries running from 0-90 not a part time 'professional' baller who likes to stick a boot in.
The Germans have no business pointing the figure.
.http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/report-by-team-doctor-suggests-blood-doping-in-german-football-league-a-919563.html
Their uncanny success had often been put down to German efficiency but there's probably a more likely reason.
.http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/report-by-team-doctor-suggests-blood-doping-in-german-football-league-a-919563.html
Their uncanny success had often been put down to German efficiency but there's probably a more likely reason.
I imgin the temptation for a footballer at a mid level championship team to dope to improve their performance to get a move to the Premier League is very real indeed. You are talking about going from £5k a week to £20k a week. Or even to help recover from injury. If you are 28, in League 1 or 2 coming to the end of your contract and injured, you have to prospect of being released, with no job and little hope of getting one.
Womens athletics record books riddled with dodgy world records from eras gone ,even with faster modern tracks they are not getting close .
You have to have the resources to buy the best doping regime though. The doping doctors won't let their product go cheap or let just anyone have it - they need to keep it exclusive to increase the value.
I can understand that, but I'm talking about individuals looking to improve their speed & physique, not necessarily organised doping. You can even get steroids in prison!
You have to have the resources to buy the best doping regime though
Which sport has more money than football.
Which sport has more money than football.
.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/11282513/Top-British-athletics-star-accused-of-doping-by-German-documentary.html
A top Brit now implicated - but can't be named.
A top Brit now implicated - but can't be named.
a top female tennis player who suddenly retired a few years ago had tested positive for a banned substance. Her first name begins with a J
The one which people should be concerned about is boxing. Not because it will be any more rife but because of the possible ramifications. In most other sports you risk beating your opponent not killing them.
The truth is every sport has had to be dragged kickign and screaming to firstly admit it has a doping problem and then, belatedly, to actually do something about it. Its reached the point where you can almost feel a twinge of sympathy for pro cyclists now, handy whipping boys when other sports are just as dirty. Funny as someone alluded to, the identities of all the cyclists from Operation Puerto were named while all the other athletes - half of barca and real madrid among them probably - remained anonymous and reportedly had their files destroyed.
Leading the hall of shame is tennis, which not only spent years prevaricating about PEDs but practically allowed players to take whatever they liked without fear of sanction. I recall a case a few years ago when a tournament press officer berated journalists for asking a female tennis star about a dope test she'd just failed. Needless to say she got no ban or fine.
And i agree with the previous poster, the prospect of drugs and boxing is a scary one indeed. I'd be curious to know too what the testing procedures are like in Formula One racing
Leading the hall of shame is tennis, which not only spent years prevaricating about PEDs but practically allowed players to take whatever they liked without fear of sanction. I recall a case a few years ago when a tournament press officer berated journalists for asking a female tennis star about a dope test she'd just failed. Needless to say she got no ban or fine.
And i agree with the previous poster, the prospect of drugs and boxing is a scary one indeed. I'd be curious to know too what the testing procedures are like in Formula One racing
It is believed that the names of the footballers and tennis players involved in Operation Puerto will be revealed when DR Fuentes plays his ace and writes the book.
Rugby has also become scary and the authorities are now very concerned about the life threatening injuries because the players are so big, strong and fast now.
Rugby has also become scary and the authorities are now very concerned about the life threatening injuries because the players are so big, strong and fast now.
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Lift the ban and let them take what they want and we can all look forward to the first sub minute mile.
this is only way to make it fair ,
as for jamaican a jamaican runner got caught last year , one of the relay team , so if he was using im sure bolt was too
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/athletics/usain-bolts-jamaica-teammate-veronica-campbellbrown-fails-drug-test-8660512.html
the womans also it seems going by that link
then asafa powell
also blake in 2009 and this is bolts mate , im sure bolt just watches them all juice up though
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-1202190/Bolts-friend-Blake-named-athletes-failed-drugs-test.html
the womans also it seems going by that link
then asafa powell
also blake in 2009 and this is bolts mate , im sure bolt just watches them all juice up though
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-1202190/Bolts-friend-Blake-named-athletes-failed-drugs-test.html
Football probably doesn't address the problem so as not to kill the golden goose.
footballers are basically athletes now , plenty juicing , they aint all just got super fit because they drink protein shakes
id like to see the list that fruentes has but i dont think it will be reviealed, i think he could be killed for leaking that info
On the subject of women's track and field world records, by my reckoning there is only one record which is not drug-tainted - Tirunesh Dibaba's 5000m record. I'm not including Paula Radcliffe in those figures, I believe she's unimpeachably clean, but one could imagine there are people about who think that being three minutes faster than any other woman in history over the trip is quite suspect.
More likely he would be killed to stop him leaking it. And I'm sure you're well aware to which tennis players I was referring.
theres a few mate, ferrer has to be, maybe novak and rafa?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/29/us/with-drug-tainted-past-few-track-records-fall.html
little old, but still interesting, even more so considering that not much has changed since as regards people getting close to those records.
little old, but still interesting, even more so considering that not much has changed since as regards people getting close to those records.
Joey Barton has never been tested properly because he is cackLaugh
You're meant to go after the top performers, the suspicious players on Duracell batteries running from 0-90 not a part time 'professional' baller who likes to stick a boot in.
You mean like a well known team, now under new management, who were famous for winning matches in the dying minutes.
You're meant to go after the top performers, the suspicious players on Duracell batteries running from 0-90 not a part time 'professional' baller who likes to stick a boot in.
You mean like a well known team, now under new management, who were famous for winning matches in the dying minutes.
The Brit on the IAAF suspicious list is said to be British and a household name. Our learned friends very busy at the moment, no doubt.
bix your nt telling me the nevilles , icky butt , scholes , giggsy , beckham , keano etc where juicing
The Chaser
bix your nt telling me the nevilles , icky butt , scholes , giggsy , beckham , keano etc where juicing
i am not suggesting they were. It was just that SH said it was the characters who were still running when others had slowed down who were suspicious.Don't forget though it may not be individuals who are at it. It may be those "vitamin" supplements given by the club Doctor.
But from Gary Neville himself
In his biography, Gary Neville makes a mention of something that happened in the English camp during the 1998 World Cup. Players lined up to receive injections.
When the 1998 World Cup started, some of the players started taking injections from Glenn’s favourite medic, a Frenchman called Dr Rougier. After some of the lads said they’d felt a real burst of energy, I decided to seize any help on offer. So many of the players decided to go for it before that Argentina match that there was a queue to see the doctor.
What was in these injections, we’ll likely never know.[/i]
bix your nt telling me the nevilles , icky butt , scholes , giggsy , beckham , keano etc where juicing
i am not suggesting they were. It was just that SH said it was the characters who were still running when others had slowed down who were suspicious.Don't forget though it may not be individuals who are at it. It may be those "vitamin" supplements given by the club Doctor.
But from Gary Neville himself
In his biography, Gary Neville makes a mention of something that happened in the English camp during the 1998 World Cup. Players lined up to receive injections.
When the 1998 World Cup started, some of the players started taking injections from Glenn’s favourite medic, a Frenchman called Dr Rougier. After some of the lads said they’d felt a real burst of energy, I decided to seize any help on offer. So many of the players decided to go for it before that Argentina match that there was a queue to see the doctor.
What was in these injections, we’ll likely never know.[/i]
i believe players would have but not the ones i named , england and man united 2 different things
i believe its going on big time in football though
that united team though no chance , it was a team of winners that never gave up , its not like they where running 100 yards in 12 seconds at the end , they went on and on with any source of football they could
i believe its going on big time in football though
that united team though no chance , it was a team of winners that never gave up , its not like they where running 100 yards in 12 seconds at the end , they went on and on with any source of football they could
with late subs solskjaer and sheringham scoring in the cl final 99
united was never the fastest team about
united was never the fastest team about
in the 99 final man utd were out run and out played by the germans
if either team was at it i would have more suspicions about the germans
tis pity there is little to help players with no bottle
if either team was at it i would have more suspicions about the germans
tis pity there is little to help players with no bottle
the Germans have been at it for years
.http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/report-by-team-doctor-suggests-blood-doping-in-german-football-league-a-919563.html
.http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/report-by-team-doctor-suggests-blood-doping-in-german-football-league-a-919563.html
spain where the team , dr gets busted , now its germans suddenly fast as lightening , even klose at 36-37 , podolski for germany was on a different gear also
juiced up or clubs are doing something wrong with these guys
juiced up or clubs are doing something wrong with these guys
robben for bayern seems to be on a different planet in germany also
SH
What team do you support bix ?
Having been born in Birmingham I follow Villa. Support is not really the word as I haven't been down for many years but I watch the occasional game on the computer. I'll probably watch the second half of today v West Brom. When I was a lad we used to walk to Villa one week and W Brom the next.
And your team? Malmo?
What team do you support bix ?
Having been born in Birmingham I follow Villa. Support is not really the word as I haven't been down for many years but I watch the occasional game on the computer. I'll probably watch the second half of today v West Brom. When I was a lad we used to walk to Villa one week and W Brom the next.
And your team? Malmo?
I support all the Scandinavian teams, land of goals
Land of ice hockey. Premier league Swedish hockey the best live sport I've seen.
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