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guinness2dear
09 Oct 14 23:23
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First MP shortly. Any Toryboys got summat to say?
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Report mafeking October 10, 2014 12:57 AM BST
recount in heywood too. labour gonna scrape home at best. ukip gonna do even better than expected by the look of it
Report guinness2dear October 10, 2014 1:05 AM BST
600 votes innit.
Report mafeking October 10, 2014 1:39 AM BST
shocking result for labour really. gonna be a very interesting general election. whole swathes of the country have had enough and are deserting the major parties en masse
Report xmoneyx October 10, 2014 2:38 AM BST
Labour came off worse tonight
Report themover October 10, 2014 3:24 AM BST
I guess everyone is fed up with being lied to
Report twizzle22 October 10, 2014 7:45 AM BST
Indigenous brits are waking up at last to what is happening to our country.Floods  of immigrants being allowed to settle here raping our hospitals, schools and social services.The people have had enough of being ignored by the main political parties.  UKIP listen, the rest bury their heads.
Report berto77 October 10, 2014 8:08 AM BST
Ukip are just in the right place at the right time to gather up the enormous and growing swathes of population who despise mainstream politicians.  In truth they are a complete rabble (which is strangely part of their appeal) with a totally incoherent set of policies.
Report lfc1971 October 10, 2014 8:13 AM BST
Vote UKIP to stop the madness.
Report twizzle22 October 10, 2014 8:16 AM BST
The rabble, as you call them, are the other parties you steaming nitwit.
Report berto77 October 10, 2014 8:20 AM BST
I would say the others are deluded, pompous and arrogant.  But ukip are a rabble.
Report not allowed to bet October 10, 2014 8:23 AM BST
Wow!!  I am thinking back to what the rabble did to bring down the monarchy in France
Gulp!!!
If they are a rabble I suppose it shows how poor the other parties are!!
Report berto77 October 10, 2014 8:26 AM BST
You might well be right.  Rabbles can be hugely powerful forces, often for the better.  But they are still rabbles Laugh.
Report twizzle22 October 10, 2014 8:29 AM BST
Can see you've mind your mind up 77...berto is not for turningGrin
Report lfc1971 October 10, 2014 8:29 AM BST
The labour party are going to be wiped off the political map in england as they have been in scotland.
Report bigmo October 10, 2014 8:30 AM BST
If they're a rabble what does it say about the parties they are taking votes from.

The other parties need to wake up and realise that name calling isn't working and they need to start listening to people.
Report lfc1971 October 10, 2014 8:32 AM BST
UKIP are the only working class party, so the north of England will vote UKIP
Report twizzle22 October 10, 2014 8:34 AM BST
What a crying shame ukip failed by such a small margin in Manchester..like most of my bets, beaten a short head againSad
Report berto77 October 10, 2014 8:35 AM BST
bigmo - I totally agree with you.  You ask the right question.  The fact a young party which emerges from a single issue party with little discipline, a fair share of weirdos in high positions and a fairly random set of policies can get the support it gets says everything about the state of the other parties.
Report lfc1971 October 10, 2014 8:38 AM BST
berto continues the name calling..people no longer care.
Report berto77 October 10, 2014 8:40 AM BST
Yawn.
Report DStyle October 10, 2014 8:51 AM BST
we should be very grateful that we have UKIP.

In the latest general election in Sweden, the Sweden Democrats, who are the equivalent of the BNP, got 13% of the vote because every other mainstream party refused to make commitments about reducing immigration.

They turned it into a them or us thing.

That's right 1 in 7 people in a country which apparently is the most racially tolerant in the world were prepared to vote for massive dangerous racists because that's how concerned they are about this single issue.

In the UK and in Sweden, and other parts of Europe, this is all about registering a vote over a single issue which affects a lot of peoples lives which isn't being addressed by the mainstream parties. People are showing that they don't care too much about the party that carries the issue.

We should be grateful that we have a moderate bunch of mild misogynist anachronistic racists representing this issue rather than a motley collection of frothing cross burning loons.

but of course, it would be better if the mainstream parties addressed these issues themselves.
Report dunlaying October 10, 2014 9:01 AM BST
Great results but now Nigel Farage has a problem. What does he do about defectors from the other parties who wish to join UKIP?
Report dunlaying October 10, 2014 9:03 AM BST
Does he take all and sundry or will he be choosy?
Report Facts October 10, 2014 9:43 AM BST
Just the deranged and deluded
Report call me a taxi October 10, 2014 10:39 AM BST
^^^ Look who surfaced on a UKIP thread. Laugh

The Guardian reader.

The forumite who reads the newspaper that 'publishes the truth' - but doesn't let people have comments that don't agree with their stance, they are deleted before getting a chance to be viewed.
Report flushgordon1 October 10, 2014 10:44 AM BST
They may be deranged but they aint deluded,deluded is somebody who votes for a party which covered up and swept under the carpet the systematic sexual abuse of underage vulnerable young white girls and boys by an ethnic minority group because they feared it might stir up some trouble.
Through political dogma and the imperious self belief that the good of the party was greater than the welfare of our children ,hang your head in shame if you voted labour.
Report Capt__F October 10, 2014 10:57 AM BST
give facts a break he is hard of hearing
Report pumphol. October 10, 2014 11:02 AM BST
I suppose if the two mainstream parties keep banging on that UKIP is a racist party & full of loons then there will be a rather large minority that will totally believe that 100% Crazy
Report scandanavian_haven October 10, 2014 11:08 AM BST
Farage is married to a German. He's anti EU not anti European.

He is however, just another public schoolboy who thinks if he's pictured holding a pint he can connect with the working man, he's only ever known money.
Report guinness2dear October 10, 2014 11:08 AM BST
What a pity they didn't take Middleton.
Report lfc1971 October 10, 2014 12:28 PM BST
Working class people will leave the tories and labour and vote UKIP. Young people once they get over
their indoctrination will vote UKIP increasingly, and the intelligent middle classes are turning. There is a
revolution happening.
Report stewarty b October 10, 2014 12:42 PM BST
Apparently, if Labour had lost that close seat, Red Ed's position would have been untenable. I can't think of would have replaced him but Balls would have been another major disaster.

If I was having a bet now, I would be on the Tories to win most seats at 5/4. (given Labour's weakness to hold on to marginal seats)
Report dimeless October 10, 2014 1:40 PM BST
UKIP = whiteys last stand. Farage = canute
Report Capt__F October 10, 2014 1:46 PM BST
profound
Report not allowed to bet October 10, 2014 2:20 PM BST
but dimeless is right

as slowly the centres of our towns and cities are slowly taken over by alien cultures
Report Mighty Whites 2008 October 11, 2014 8:38 AM BST
If I was having a bet now, I would be on the Tories to win most seats at 5/4. (given Labour's weakness to hold on to marginal seats)

labour held middleton despite the low turn out.

The big threat is to the tories. UKIP will get votes in labour areas but they are unlikely to take many seats. They are more likely to stop tories winning in a number of key marginals and may take some seats off them down south.
Report treetop October 13, 2014 4:51 PM BST
THe UKIP bandwagon will pick up speed by next May. Labour voters will begin to get more exposure to Milipede and despair as Farage talks their language more than Ed could ever do. I wonder if Ed will even be there by May next year.Chukka will increase the UKIP vote even more.
Report Capt__F October 13, 2014 9:26 PM BST
Dave coming back to save the party
Report Facts October 13, 2014 10:00 PM BST
Farage calling UKIP the ' peoples army. '  the fascist tw@t. Posters of Hitler on his bedroom wall ?
Report curious-cat October 13, 2014 10:02 PM BST
Farage already talking about forming a coalition with the Tories ...
Report Ibrahima Sonko October 13, 2014 10:03 PM BST
Facts & Pandora foaming at the mouth after the bbc's pathetic show earlier.
Report call me a taxi October 14, 2014 12:24 AM BST
Facts   
13 Oct 14 22:00 
Farage calling UKIP the ' peoples army. '  the fascist tw@t. Posters of Hitler on his bedroom wall ?


Godwins Rule.

You lost.

As usual Laugh
Report Facts October 14, 2014 6:54 AM BST
We'll see.
Report Mr.Anderson October 14, 2014 11:37 AM BST

Oct 10, 2014 -- 8:51AM, DStyle wrote:


we should be very grateful that we have UKIP.In the latest general election in Sweden, the Sweden Democrats, who are the equivalent of the BNP, got 13% of the vote because every other mainstream party refused to make commitments about reducing immigration.They turned it into a them or us thing.That's right 1 in 7 people in a country which apparently is the most racially tolerant in the world were prepared to vote for massive dangerous racists because that's how concerned they are about this single issue.In the UK and in Sweden, and other parts of Europe, this is all about registering a vote over a single issue which affects a lot of peoples lives which isn't being addressed by the mainstream parties. People are showing that they don't care too much about the party that carries the issue.We should be grateful that we have a moderate bunch of mild misogynist anachronistic racists representing this issue rather than a motley collection of frothing cross burning loons.but of course, it would be better if the mainstream parties addressed these issues themselves.


Don't at all agree with your assessment of the Sweden Democrats. They have got much more in common with UKIP than with the BNP. In fact they are since a few months in the same group as UKIP in the European parliament. Would UKIP be happy to cooperate with a party that is just like the BNP?

The other political parties in Sweden, and journalists, in particular left wing journalist (who make up like three quarters of all Swedish journalists), do their best to label them as racists or at the very least xenophobic. But that doesn't make it true. You need to be either dishonest or have a very poor understanding of the word racist to call the Sweden Democrats a racist party.

I've seen that they are being called right wing extremists in British newspapers. But I really have no idea what would make them right wing. They are not even right wing by Swedish standards, much less on a British scale. Is the only requirement for being called right wing extremists that you want a (much) more restrictive immigration policy? Yes, they do want a more restrictive immigration policy, but would be happy with what is currently government policy in neighboring Denmark or Finland, or indeed many other EU countries. If the Sweden Democrats are a bunch of horrible racists then so are the ruling parties in Denmark, Finland and several other European countries. It's my opinion that the Sweden Democrats would pass for a mainstream party in many if not most of the other EU countries. They do stick out in Sweden because they are the only ones who want reduced immigration (the level is currently very high), and they are not as fond of multiculturalism as the other parties, and also more eurosceptic.

Report Steamship October 14, 2014 2:14 PM BST
What evidence is there of UKIP being a racist party?  I know they have had one or two problems with members of the party but which one hasn't? At some stage over the past 5 years there has been a current or recently ex member of one of the main parties in prison.

I have always been a liberal but I am beginning to realise that the liberal view does not work.

The British saying should be

Immigration is great as long as it's not in my street.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. October 14, 2014 7:12 PM BST
GREAT GRANDSON OF LABOUR CO FOUNDER STANDS FOR UKIP




In the Manning Mills district of Bradford, some 120 years ago, the great grandfather of UKIP Parliamentary Candidate Blair Smillie, stood beside Kier Hardie making his famous speech which was to launch the Labour Party. History was in the making as Kier Hardie would soon become the first ever Independent Labour MP and again Robert Smillie would be by his side.

At the UKIP party conference held in the present Labour Leader’s constituency Blair Smillie will tell the delegates why he lost faith in Labour today and will launch his career as a Parliamentary Candidate for the North Wales constituency of Alyn and Deeside.

Blair Smillie feels that the country has been mismanaged by both major parties with the result that we have a national debt in excess of £1.2 trillion and the gap between rich and poor is expanding. One reason is the lack of ‘work’ experience of many MP’s and the difficulty of experienced people to enter politics due to time and financial constraints.

When asked why he decided to change his allegiance to UKIP from such a historic Socialist background he said ‘when my great grandfather was leader of over 1 million miners he was proud of the fact that there was a democracy in the recommendation passed by the executive. When he entered Parliament at the age of Sixty Six, he quickly became aware of the ‘lack’ of democracy and was dismayed. If he would be alive today he would have seen the greed of Labour Leaders such as Tony Blair and other MP’s milking the system for their own means. He would be devastated that the coal industry would have literally disappeared creating areas of deprivation where once there was pride. He would see the ‘giving away’ of our powers to an unelected corrupt institution in Brussels and finally he would be moved to tears to see people queuing in Foodbanks when just one day of our overseas aid would feed them for a year’

Blair is also following in his great grandfather’s footsteps by organising a major fringe where representative of the coal industry and experts in clean coal technology will talk about the possible re-introduction of British Coal. He said ‘unfortunately we tried very hard to invite the unions including the NUM to the fringe however they declined for some reason’

By this new recruit to its ranks it certainly seems that UKIP is really widening its net and can no longer be called a ‘right wing’ party.
Report guinness2dear October 16, 2014 10:15 PM BST
1/3 to win R & S.

Will Cameron assault the steps of the good peeps of Rochester?
Report treetop October 17, 2014 10:07 PM BST
Well said flush, the BBC and most media are giving far more coverage to a sheffield utd footballer who has served his time whilst ignoring 1400kids sexually abused and trafficked around like meat. Children as young as 11 deserve better from our liberal pundits who fill Westminster.Get them out.
Report guinness2dear November 11, 2014 11:16 PM GMT
1.06 now to win R & S..

Toryboys moved into the area and bought up all the local Hip Hop joints, but all to no avail...
Report guinness2dear November 20, 2014 11:53 PM GMT
Weighed in!
Report iprefertolay November 21, 2014 12:00 AM GMT
ukip for ever yeah 2 main parties suck on it
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