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i know there are alot of religous people who do but surely only one of those 2 can be true.....in a way i feel more respect for religous people who believe that god created the earth in 6 days....at least those people know thats the only way their god can exist......any church goers on here............being a betting forum i doubt it
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i was talking to a salvation army woman outside asdas today........she didnt believe in evolution
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Yes OP.
Many do as well. |
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flippin eck!
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asda is pre God
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God intended that man should have free will, evolution is perhaps the only way that this could be possible.
Evolution is gods way of enabling free will because without evolution free will would not be possible. Therefore evolution is the mechanism that God has used to enable us to be free and human and evolution itself points to the existence of god..... most people won't understand this. |
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it would depend on which god you believe in and your interpretation of the associated scriptures.
if you're going with one of the abrahamic religions, it comes down to whether or not your prepared to interpret the creation process allegorically or not. it's perfectly compatible with other religions, particularly any which are based in deism rather than theism. |
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God intended that man should have free will, evolution is perhaps the only way that this could be possible.
Evolution is gods way of enabling free will because without evolution free will would not be possible. Therefore evolution is the mechanism that God has used to enable us to be free and human and evolution itself points to the existence of god..... most people won't understand this. mainly because it's flawed. given that man is a product of evolution, for your god to have had any intentions for man would require god to have had to intervene in the evolutionary process to ensure man evolved, thereby undermining the free will you claim the process enabled. |
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and he must have spent a long time looking at the f*cking dinosaurs before thinking that he needed to get involved.
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It is definitely possible to believe in both God and evolution but looking at some of the contributions on this forum over the years my faith in evolution has come under serious scrutiny.
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What happened before the big bang? Someone on chit chat must know.
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obviously it is possible.
as it turned out God was a programmer so he could design anything he wanted via maths. on the first night... he fell asleep at the keyboard AAAAGGGGGTTTTTCCCCCCCCC...... |
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If "god" is smart enough to create life I'm sure he could have added evolution to the mix.
It's strange that most can't see past the "either or" situation. Thereagain Man does not have the tools for the job to understand reality as his brain is designed to survive and reproduce. It's like asking him to drink soup with a knife and fork. He'll get a little bit but most is completely beyond him. |
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I agree.
My view is that a creator would have to come up with at least two essential things to ensure Creation actually went somewhere (though possibly a lot more). Random mutation he’d have to include, if he didn’t want to be continuously monitoring and fixing the life he had created. It future proofs life, to an extent, against catastrophe. But what seems quite clever about it to me is that you don’t even need to know the nature of the future disaster. Like with mosquitoes and DDT. They didn’t know someone would make war on their biology one day, but their biology already had variations ensuring that some didn’t die and then those bred. Now none of them (I assume) are bothered about DDT. Whether they are or not or will be in the future, it is quite brilliant that life has these quirks that allow a lucky few to overcome unforeseen disaster. Horseshoe crabs have survived four of the five mass extinctions, including the Permian one that wiped out 95% of all species.And despite that and the one that followed, we are here and the world's still teeming with life. The other essential thing, imo, is the Uncertainty Principle, which actually makes the next moment an array of possibilities on every level, from galaxies to bacteria. These two things together ensure that everything doesn’t just grind to an early predictable halt. Though tbf I’d probably call myself an atheist at heart, these aspects of the universe look an awful lot like something deliberately designed in to make it endure and be interesting. It’s more a nagging feeling than anything. |
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98% of living things are exstinct.........thats some design........if youve read the bible do you really thing "that" god could had anything to do evolution........
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Why would a god need millions of years to get things right here on earth. The bible says the earth was created in six days; if your a christian surely you have to believe in the literal truth of the whole of the bible
E.g. Cliff Richard,....doesn't it state in the text it would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven (but he doesn't seem to like that rule so he just ignores it) if you don't adhere to the rule that every word is sacra scant your left with a rather pick and mix version of christianty where you can leave out things you personally don't care for. Is this in reality an ideology atoll? Aren't you in fact just pleasing yourself about the world we live in and how you live your life? |
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As the Bible and all the religous books have been written/translated by a human being I shouldn't take what's in there as totally accurate. You need to look beyond that stuff.
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There is not necessarily any conflict -- one can have God create life or the universe or whatever and let evolution take it from there.
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Yes. Just accept that everything just "is" and you have it.
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with the abrahamic ones, if you fully embrace evolution, you run into some very tricky plot holes.
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no moves.......its called cherry picking
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"As the Bible and all the religous books have been written/translated by a human being I shouldn't take what's in there as totally accurate. You need to look beyond that stuff."
Doesn't that idea leave it open to simply ignoring bits you take to be written by a man I.e. all of it or at least or the bits you don't like. The Bible.....However it evolved it is what is and has to be abided by lock stock and barrel or not atoll, surely that's true? |
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richard dawkins said the chances of a god in his opinion was 1 in 7...........i would put it more like 1 in 10,000
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rather lay the 7s
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i would lay the 7s till the cows come home
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Richard Dawkins has been challenged by many eminent scientists who categorically believe in God having studied the universe for many years.
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The Bible.....However it evolved it is what is and has to be abided by lock stock and barrel or not atoll, surely that's true?
Rather difficult to abide by it when it contradicts itself every few pages. Is it an eye for an eye or do we turn the other cheek? Or perhaps as we are discussing evolution and creation we have the problem that the Bible cant make up it's mind whether it was Man or the animals which were created first. GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Or is it? GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. |
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I believe in evolution and aliens
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richard dawkins said the chances of a god in his opinion was 1 in 7...........i would put it more like 1 in 10,000
Surely this is not true! Link, please. |
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patra.....think he said it on the big question but i cant remember.............but he did say it
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alleged...........more chance of "life" on another planet than there being a god
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though patra it may well be on the aussie q and a..............watched so many i cant remember
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I think he had a scale from 0 to 7 or something, whereby 7 was a definite believer and 0 was a total atheist. Maybe he said he was 1 out of 7 on that scale.
There is certainly more chance of aliens than God imo. |
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yer he said 1 in 7 but in reality he probably thinks it more like 1 in 100 or even 1 in a 1000..........think he was just trying to be nice to the braindead christians
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I would rather not exist than to believe in a God. What's the point in living to march to somebody else's tune, in that sense, nobody is ever truly free. There are very few religious converts which tells you most people believe in what they've been fed since birth, most people's beliefs are not really beliefs, they're inherited family traditions/values based on nothing more than Chinese whispers. If there were a God, then imo, he is evil anyway, as innocent people suffering pain the way they do is unforgivable. If there was no religion the earth would be a much more peaceful place
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scan..........the god of the OT would put hitler to shame in the number of people he had killed
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which is why I said it
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for alleged
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