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By:
alleged22
When: 17 Sep 14 20:23
Laugh
By:
charwell.
When: 17 Sep 14 21:10
Imagine that we humans had created robots that eventually were able to reproduce and improve themselves according to their environment, humans died out and after millions of years the robots came up with a theory of their evolution based on bits of old machines they dug up. Their theory would not in any way disprove the existence of humans. Instead it would be a sign of a higher intelligence that bought them about. Dr Francis Collins who is one of the worlds leading experts on evolution believes that God bought about the human being via the process of evolution.

Whether someone believes in or rejects the theory of evolution as a means to how human beings came in to existence, it does not in any way conflict with belief in God.
By:
DickTurpin
When: 17 Sep 14 21:14
scandanavian_haven    17 Sep 14 18:32 
I would rather not exist than to believe in a God. What's the point in living to march to somebody else's tune, in that sense, nobody is ever truly free. There are very few religious converts which tells you most people believe in what they've been fed since birth, most people's beliefs are not really beliefs, they're inherited family traditions/values based on nothing more than Chinese whispers. If there were a God, then imo, he is evil anyway, as innocent people suffering pain the way they do is unforgivable. If there was no religion the earth would be a much more peaceful placeCool

Are you 13???............................
By:
alleged22
When: 17 Sep 14 21:15
what if god is an alien?
By:
alleged22
When: 17 Sep 14 21:26
all the great civilisations from around the world point to the sky, be it in pictures,carvings, stories or monuments, coincidence??

how can we know what is out in space when we don't know what is in our own oceans Crazy
By:
Clouseau
When: 17 Sep 14 21:38
all the great civilisations from around the world point to the sky, be it in pictures,carvings, stories or monuments, coincidence??

Unfortunately, as yet, there is no evidence of any of these great civilizations being based in Cardiff.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 17 Sep 14 21:40
Are you 13???............................

no
By:
alleged22
When: 17 Sep 14 21:44
Unfortunately, as yet, there is no evidence of any of these great civilizations being based in Cardiff.

Laugh
By:
Owmybrainhurtz
When: 18 Sep 14 00:29
God doesn't believe in evolution, or He would have told us! So the answer to the original queation is "No"!
By:
cardifffc
When: 21 Aug 16 10:25
clouseau.....what about kent..where I live??
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 21 Aug 16 23:04
AMAZINGLY - people have a short memory EVOLUTION THEORY was not invented by
Charles Darwin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_evolutionary_thought

Some of the proponents were christian.

Darwin himself talks a lot about GOD. But could not reconcile the death of his daughter
at an early age to a kind benevolent god. Man judging God?
By:
Paddy Hair
When: 22 Aug 16 02:16
As a 13 year old Catholic Alter Boy who attended a non Catholic School and had just started studying evolution, I asked my Priest this very question. This was over 30 years ago, " I asked as God created Man in his own image, does that mean God was an Ape as evolution now proves". His reply was " as man evolved so did God, and God is what man believes him to look like". I thought clever answer, but a Cop out.
By:
Ramruma
When: 22 Aug 16 06:21
Even many who believe God did create the world, also believe that evolution then happened from there on.

If you want to go further back and study the early universe, it is easy enough to say God triggered the big bang. It does not really make much difference whether we (or our top scientists) are grappling with the natural laws of physics and elementary particles, or the divinely-created laws of physics and elementary particles.
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 22 Aug 16 07:54
Paddy Hair - God created man in his own image.
Jesus said God is Spirit. So God created man in Spirit.
When he ate of the fruit he died. His spirit died.
He realized at this point he was naked. Not before?
Shame set in because of sin.
the first sin was pride - To be like God, to know all things.
Today most people do not find God because their pride birthed
from knowledge stops them investing time to know God.
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 22 Aug 16 08:08
http://creation.com/greater-than-98-chimp-human-dna-similarity-not-any-more
updated to 95 percent similarity to chimps.


So can a mouse evolve into a chimp - there is only a three percent gap?
Five percent gap between man and chimp?



Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes while chimpanzees have 24

Another human?100% .
A chimpanzee?     95%.
A mouse?     92%
A fruit fly?     44%
Yeast?     26%
a Weed 18%
a banana 50%

75% of mouse genes have equivalents in humans (source), 90% of the mouse genome could
be lined up with a region on the human genome (source) 99% of mouse genes turn out to have
analogues in humans (source)
By:
dustybin
When: 22 Aug 16 08:59
You can believe in evolution as a code written by a creator, but 'God' comes from religion which is early man's interpretation of events based on little available evidence.

So people assume they are here so therefore some(thing) created the experience, this may or may not be true, reality could be as ethereal as the ambiguous fabrication that religion refers to as 'free will'.

Free will is just cause and effect, the more data collected the more accurate the prediction of future outcomes.
What people do or don't do is directly relevant to the chemical structures present in their brains and the rewards that are experienced by certain outcomes (and the relevance of those rewards).

People like to think they are individual but there won't be long before everything about a person can be logged down in something akin to binary and 'personality' predicted.
By:
dustybin
When: 22 Aug 16 09:17
This is the reality of free will IMO.

You are in a room with a choice to sit or stand.
'You' think you make the choice to do one or the other at face value, but in reality 'you' don't.

It's a question of logic.
Are you tired?
Is there a chair?
Do you have the time?

Your conscience is just the collective of all the things that are defined as 'you' , which actually include more cells that are parasitic and not attributable to you and which you have no control over but add to the final outcome of what 'you' do.

When the bible was written they couldn't possible know this, so they called it free will.
By:
ZenMaster
When: 22 Aug 16 12:01
We are all trying to assess this with slightly advanced primate brains.

hth
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 22 Aug 16 21:21
EARLY MAN? Right...

please explain the massive hike in brain quality between the Greek
civilization up to the year 1700 AD.
Our tools got better. The Industrial revolution and steam power ushered
in a technical revolution, but the brain is pretty much the same.

The great leap in Mankind was the result of the ice receding and
crop growing. the population exploded because of increased social-ability.

5000 years ago most of the UK was under three metres of ice.

it's only a string of 80 people back to Christ's day.
(say you live to 25 and have a son, he does the same... 4 per century x 20 = 80)

I doubt that 99 percent of the people today can talk like Christ.
buy a quotation book from a book store and it's full of his quotes.
He spoke Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic to the people he met.
By:
dustybin
When: 22 Aug 16 22:45
Early man could be reference to the time pre renaissance, where science had practical discoveries based on the universe that we exist within.
People two thousand years ago didn't know about molecular physics for eg, even 200 years ago they didn't.
Now we know that endorphins shape the personality from a pleasure reward perspective.
People do what they do as a result of the chemicals released in their brains.

If a person believes religion to be true for eg then living a righteous existence is meaningful and virtuous, the feel good factor is created within themselves. Something that appears greater than the sum of its parts.

As for Jesus, he was a cynic philosopher mistaken for something people wanted him to be IMO.
Whether it was Socrates plea to not avenge injustice or Diogenes request to discard money most of jesus's work can be traced to 500 years before his birth.
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 22 Aug 16 23:29
So Jesus was brought up in a greek Library? Was that the one that was
burnt to the ground in Alexandria?

So feelings are just chemicals - so nobody loves their parents or children.
Nobody likes to look after strangers?
When your parents die.. . you can say FK 'em they had their time.
What chemicals is it that makes you love and what chemical makes you hate?

Knowledge is gained slowly - standing on the shoulders of giants.
Einstein admitted he could not have come up with anything without the work
of James Clerk Maxwell, and Maxwell would be lost without the early pioneers
in the field of eletricity. Men noticing that a frog twitches after death.
Simple things lead on to ever more complexity.
a frog to the universal theory in 250 years.
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 22 Aug 16 23:34
dustybin -

a corporation, Komar & Melamid, Inc., that had as its purpose “the buying and selling of human souls.” They bought several hundred souls, including Andy Warhol’s (who sold it to them for free), which was smuggled into Russia and then sold for 30 rubles. - wiki -

I'm pretty sure you could sell your fictitious soul to someone? pure profit.
By:
Velasquez
When: 22 Aug 16 23:45
Teilhard de Chardin.

End of.

Start off..
By:
dustybin
When: 23 Aug 16 03:09
Zorro
Reality that you and I experience is a simplification of millions of calculations that are subconsciously constantly occurring.
You may romanticise events like love or hate but they are ethereal 'end games', things that have causes and effects that culminate in the experience that is given a name by humans to attempt to reference.

When you love for eg it's a long developed feeling, a reaction to stimulus that has grown around reward of something which you now arbitrarily call 'love'.
The experience you refer to regarding parents is the culmination of dopamine release in the brain that occurs whenever your eyes, ears or smell senses a member of family you have grown familiar with and who is associated with safety etc.

Jesus was born within four miles of a known cynic collective, the Christians attempt to argue that there is no evidence of influence because nothing is documented about a meeting.
It didn't have to be.
Diogenes never for eg wrote anything down, it was all verbal in the form of spear he's to the community. Do people honestly think that the message never got to Jesus?
Get real.
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