David Cameron worst PM ever?

more damaging to the poor , sick and disabled than Thatcher ever was..and lib dems can be put in the same category

gordon brown nap

Gordon Brown did not start any wars and did not break up the UK. The global economic meltdown was badly timed from his point of view.

Scottish independence
Bedroom Tax
Big society
Tax cuts for the rich
Forced into EU referendum promise
Friendless in Europe
Defeated in commons on Syria vote
The rise and rise of UKIP
Diminishing countryside with excess building.
Cuts to the armed forces
Energy price rises
Fewer Doctors, police, teachers
Expenses scandal
Pay freezes
Zero hours contracts
FOOD BANKS

And a pay rise for MP's

God bless the self confessed and proud 'Child of Thatcher'.

Gordon Brown was unelected so does that really count?

he has no sound political judgment whatsoever. god knows what his advisors keep telling him

lucky that labour have such a hapless leader too

Tony Blair or Gordon Brown, take your pick.

Who sold our gold reserves at the bottom of the market?
Who gave hundreds of billions to bankers, no strings attached?
Who increased the 10p tax rate to 20p penalising the poorest workers?
Who left us on the same slippery slope as Greece with "No money left"?

Mr "Prudence" Brown, that's who.

Who is on the verge of losing an entire country - Cameron

And Gold? what is this 1754?

Yes

Gold is an asset which can be sold for a lot more today than when Gordon sold it. The Euros he bought with it are worth little more today than they were back then.

Cameron has to resign if he misplaces a whole country shirley

Cameron potentially losing a lot more Black gold

Ramruma • September 7, 2014 2:56 PM BST
Gordon Brown did not start any wars and did not break up the UK. The global economic meltdown was badly timed from his point of view.

up to his neck in Iraq

The black gold belongs to whoever makes the investment to extract it. Sovereign governments collect licence fees and royalties which are a small percentage of the market value.
Should there be a Yes vote in the referendum then the UK treasury will lose the royalties and the Scottish government will gain them. If, as will probably happen, they find that this income is insufficient to cover their election promises they can consider increasing the royalty rates. This will work in the short term but when it comes to investing in new offshore fields the oil companies might then decide that it's no longer a worthwhile investment.
What would Scotland then do with "its" oil.

I wouldn`t say he`s the worst, but he would definitely make the top 2 behind Thatcher

What would Scotland then do with "its" oil.

No, what will England do without "our" oil. Why do you think the elite who run the country want us to stay? They start wars for oil you know, so don`t be surprised if MI5 and the CIA rig the vote.

What has Cameron achieved ?

Another US lackey. Another public schoolboy making schoolboy errors, he is no leader of men. History will quite simply remember him as a failure.

England will continue to buy oil and gas from the multinational oil companies as always. Will Alex Salmond have a big red tap in his office with which to blackmail the "enemy" south of the border?

England is not our enemy and the only blackmail going on at the moment is all the scaremongering in the media regards Scottish Independence, i.e. job losses, currency, bankruptcy, etc. Sad thing is that a lot of the "thickos" up here actually believe what they read in the papers. We have a right to self determination and a right to shape the future the best we can for future generations.

I agree with you The Mighty Mac. As it's got this far it will be an almighty anti-climax if the No vote prevails.

If you look at the state of the middle east and the 100,000s dead and the instability that may last for many more decades, it's got to be Blair. Also any break up of the union was of course set in motion by Blair trying to engineer a permanent Labour kingdom in Scotland and it going off in his face, Cameron is dealing with the consquences.

To try and compare the "bedroom tax" to the misery Blair has helped unleash on the world shows a bit of a lack of perspective. Nobody outside the UK give a sh*t about it, try bleating about it to a yazidi who has lost their entire family.

The strange thing is I don't think Blair is a genuinely nasty politician and meant well in a way, unlike real pieces of work like Griffin or Salmond.

I think Cameron is our worst PM ever
allowing the UK to break up is appalling

I hope is does not happen, but will be no thanks to Cameron

What you have to realise about Tony Blair is that he was a Tory who infiltrated the Labour party.

Could well be scandanavian

He was shallow Blair, as is Cameron. Neither possess any great morality either
But do any politicians nowadays?

Politicians seem to lack any experience of real life nowadays.

Blair invaded Iraq because he was flattered by the USA, Bush had lost his nerve after 9/11, he panicked.
But Blair should have seen it was wrong.

Party politics to one side, Cameron will have made a miscalculation of historic proportions if 'yes' win next week.  He'll be a goner.

Ironically, it will positively transform his party's electoral fortunes.

miscalculation of historic proportions
yes I agree, I don't understand his motive, Scotland were not really pushing hard for that independence

It was not like Crimea, where there was a massive push to join Russia.

No matter what happens - Tony Blair was - and always will be a total idiot and 'THE' worst Prime Minister ever imo. Cameron is streaks ahead in my estimation as country/world leader.  I very much doubt Scotland will have too much of an affect. (Been brewing for a while hasn't it?).  I personally could live without Scotland and it's people.

ooooohh

It would have a bigger effect on British politics than anything since the Second World War.  He'd have been outflanked by Salmond and would have lost a vote he should have won easily just like the 2010 general election.

I would be more than happy for David Cameron to remain as Prime Minister of this Country (with or without Scotland) for the foreseeable future. Very much doubt that this will happen owing to the obvious 'lack'  of intelligence of the majority of the British population.

I think quite a few know the difference between it's and its though

Best, fastest growing economy in Europe? (2nd only to Germany)

Why would Scotland gaining independence mean the break-up of Great Britain? The Welsh left ages ago.

Whatever PM is in at that time is always the worst ever.

'I would be more than happy for David Cameron to remain as Prime Minister of this Country (with or without Scotland) for the foreseeable future. Very much doubt that this will happen owing to the obvious 'lack'  of intelligence of the majority of the British population. '

With reference to themightymac.

some one reporting things they dont like

Hamsterdam  • September 8, 2014 8:52 PM BST
Best, fastest growing economy in Europe? (2nd only to Germany)

utter bullsh1t in my opinion.....we are recovered when we return to 2008 prosperity
and we do not have over 2 million unemployed

Another point we are making ourselves a smaller country, it becomes even more important
to control immigration

Are we making ourselves a little England
in which case I assume both Wales and N.Ireland will become independent at some stage

You can keep him and your "I`m Alright Jack" society which you personally perpetrate so accurately. After next week, Scotland will be a Tory free zone. It`s the decent, honest, hard working people of England I worry about being left at the mercy of the wolves. Nothing worse than a working class snob.

ebulGery - who needs 'em?

.... that was for "bird brain".

we do dewey
in my opinion

n ireland will go to the republic, another war lost by the english

I think it will be gross irresponsibility if Scotland goes

We have no idea of the long term effects of this

along with the mass immigration we have allowed

it seems a mindless act of self destruction

ps
If it is not broke, don't fix it

I do not think most people in Scotland really ever thought of breaking from us, apart from the SNP diehards
which was why initially polls showed a majority no vote

But as the campaign has progressed people have become enamoured of the idea of independence
which is why the polls are showing a much greater yes vote

So if Scotland go, Cameron has actually incited Scotland to part from us

I am staggered by the complete incompetence of this
and the MP's want a 10% pay rise, I fail to understand how they are paid at all????????

I can see Guy Fawkes point now

Gordon Brown is worst prime minister in british history.

His decision to open the borders to uncontrolled migration thinking that it create a boom is the biggest mistake ever made, he has single handedly ruined Britain and their is no way of recovering from this mistake.

that was a poor decision...although he aint the only one to encourage immigration is he

Well he screwed over at least one generation of the  lower paid indigenous people.

I voted for him

Would Gordon Brown have given Scotland a referendum??

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Whatever PM is in at that time is always the worst ever.


Hamster Jam has nailed it.  Al Murray did a very funny sketch saying every government going back about 100 years were the "WORST GOVERNMENT EVER".  For all I think this is a great country it is full of whingers.

History shows all great countries commit suicide.

I reckon a lot of you are trying to qualify for the Politics forum and this thread is like the exam paper.

Yeah but you're a prat, so probably wrong.

That was to lfc.

Phew

Cant blame Cameron for food banks they were already well
established under New Labour.

Cornwall off next
Viva Lampus

The problem with Cameron is he thinks he is a good person. That is not what Britain needs. Right now
Britain needs someone in power who will take the tough decisions and put Britains interests first.
He will never do this, it takes moral courage.

worst prime minister ever? I think not. 2 words.

Gold Reserves

Brown's decision to sell when he did cost UK £7 billion, if you compare price sold, versus high price reached. If you were some kind of forecasting genius and picked exactly when the peak would be to sell.

Average estimates suggest there is £1,500 billion worth of North Sea oil left. Pretty much any clown could tell you giving a Yes/No referendum to Scotland would endanger that.

Gordon Brown
we can recover from that, I am not sure we can recover from losing Scotland, I think that is worst

The whole point is how much did Scotland really want to leave us, before the last election say?
Where there protests in the streets, rallies?

Because if the majority were happy to stay with us, then why the referendum???????

This is a LOSE ONLY situation

yes that is an awful lot of revenue to lose Fred

If Scotland wanted to leave us strongly
then of course a referendum is right as in Crimea
...by the principle of Self Determination

But if there really was no strong feeling, but they have now been persuaded by this referendum campaign
then we are incredibly stupid, or Cameron is

He has handed the SNP more publicity than they could ever have dreamed of, why?????????????????????????????

I did not want or expect a referendum, but now that we have been given one, I will be voting YES. Only a fool would pass on this opportunity for self determination and a more prosperous future. If Chit Chat is a fair cross section of the English public, then England seems like a country in turmoil and a powder keg waiting to explode. Seems from reading the forum that there is a lot of racial tension down there. I`ll miss you Gery

oh dear....you have me worried mightmac
I totally accept your right to vote yes

At the last general election
Labour had 41 seats in Scotlad
Lib dems   11
SNP         6
Cons     1

was that really a call for a referendum???????
but by all means take your chance mightymac

If Scotland go Cameron should step down as PM imo

You can always come up here mate. I`ll sponsor you when Hadrian`s Wall goes back up.

too cold

If the vote is yes

I don't know when Scotland will go, I think after a Scottish Election
At the same time there must be a General Election in the rest of UK, which does not include a Scottish vote

I think that would be the correct constitutional way of doing things?

Gery, is it true that you have to pay for Prescriptions and Eye Tests in England? which are FREE here.

Scotland Bugger off.
Then a Euro in/out referendeum.
England leave the European Union.
Cameron known as the "England no mates" PM.
Hey, but England have the pound.

Very good, kincsem....

The conservative move of removing the requirement to buy an annuity was the most significant government move since Maggie allowed many of us/our parents to buy their council houses at a discount having paid many years rent. This put wealth in our hands.
I like Dave & I liked Maggie too. I believe that the conservatives are better at running the economy than Labour & that the economy is THE most important thing that has a large impact on all out lives.
If Scotland go it alone expect Labour to tank their economy too. Spend, spend, spend.

That should really have been borrow, borrow, borrow.

if the devo max question was on the ballot paper originaly its pretty certain that it would have won,
so the uk wants to retain the union
the scots would have wanted devo max
so just like the coalition in england no one gets what the majority really want ,welcome to democracy western style and we try to foister this on people world wide,
only bloke shatting himself more than cameron is salmond he might wake up next friday having won something despite his posturing he never really thought would happen, good luck in sorting out a
defence
welfare system
nhs
border controls
etc etc in 18 months,
without been patronising whether you agree with them or not the british government have a huge webb of civil servants to sort such issues out,we,ll probably end up transporting half of these to scotland to sort things out so the very people they voted to be freed from will end having a say in how scotland will be run,how many extra jobs in scotland will be created running all these new services have they the skilled manpower or will it all be imported

Edward Heath was the worst PM this country has had.
He's the one who sacked Enoch Powell and in doing so gagged all the other MPs who could have stopped immigration from happening on such a large scale as it has.
Not to mention the racial legislation which has proved such a nice little earner for many of them.

Cameron is as much a peace criminal as Blair was a war criminal.

Hurray for Dr Crippen & Stow_judge - proof of intelligent life on this forum....................................

One man's "better at running the economy" is another man's "attacking the poor again"

A better way to run the economy is to go after tax evaders/avoiders which costs the country more than twice what the welfare state does, Cameron would rather given his millionaire mates tax breaks instead, there is precisely zero logic in trying to save money in one place when you can save so much more in another. If Cameron was also so good at running the economy he would not have had IDS as head of the DWP, who wasted how many millions trying to implement 'Universal credit'. As for Thatcher, she may well have allowed people to buy their homes but at the same time she never replaced the housing stock needed for the growing population that included immigrants her party opened the door too