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Parents of King boy with brain tumour - why no threads on here ?
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"I don't know any of the facts of what occurred. However, I'm fairly sure that the welfare of the child is the main concern of ALL departments involved...even when this may be contrary to the wishes of the parent(s)."
Naydam - a perfect example of the problem. He doesn't know any of the facts but he is sure the State is right. Imbecilic to post a view when you haven't looked at the facts. |
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Can anybody tell me how the child ended up in a Spanish hospital? Who took him to the hospital?
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Java. Please refrain from name-calling. It isn't necessary. I didn't post a 'view' of these events. I simply pointed out that the child's welfare is of paramount concern to ALL. This obviously, would include the parents' viewpoint, but theirs is not a professional opinion whereas, one would have to assume that the opinions of the doctors, child welfare, courts and whoever else was involved, ARE professional opinions.
I also get a sneaky feeling that the parents' story might be a little bit 'enhanced'. But THAT really is an opinion! |
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I didn't name call. I said it would be imbecilic to post a view that the State is correct when you freely admit to not even reading the facts.
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What a pompous view.
Well FYI the professionals in this case got it badly wrong. I won't go into 'professionals' behaviour in Rotherham... |
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I can see where Naydam is coming from - just because the parents are only pursuing what they think are the best interests of their child, it does n't correspond that their judgement is beyond reproach (in fact, it may to some extent impair their judgement).
...but it misses the point, we surely know that the parents exclusively support the interests of their child, whereas that is unlikely to be the case of any of the other parties involved, irrespective of what they tell the media - the parents seemed well researched, they accept the potential side effects of the proton beam therapy but are looking to improve poor Ayesha's quality of life for the short time he is with them. The cost of the treatment should be an irrelevance, even using a brutal economic assessment, the poor kid is n't going to be around long enough to incur the sort of state overhead most of us do during our long and cosseted lives, it really should n't matter who picks up the tab. His parents think they're doing the right thing, that should be good enough - and it looks like they've got a result - pity they had to spend two or three days in jail, that Spanish judge deserves some flak for not bailing them in the first place as well... |
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indeed with the kid under police guard in a spanish hospital it wasn't exactly likely the parents were gonna disappear
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The plod in Spain couldn't have done anythink without a European arrest warrant applied for and got by Brit plod..
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His parents thinking that they are doing the right thing is NOT good enough. Would you say the same for parents who insist on removing their child from hospital because they want to take him to the witch-doctor? Or parents who refuse a blood transfusion for their child because of THEIR religious beliefs? Or the parents who want their female child to be mutilated because 'they know best'?
Parents do NOT exclusively support the needs of the child. They support THEIR interpretation of the needs of the child. |
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yes, of course,as I wrote in my first paragraph what they think are the best interests of the child.
Your points of comparison are invidious, hysterical and preposterous and not worthy of comment beyond that. Do you have an opinion on the key issues around treatment options, parental input and treatment costs or are you solely concerned with unfounded speculation around the minutiae of the parents behaviour? |
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Monstrous things happen to children in care. I guess we should aim to support those not highlighted & down.
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If they had sent a couple of young Pakistani men in to collect him from the hospital there would have been no problem. The police wouldn't have touched it with a barge-pole.
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No, I don't have an opinion on what you see as the key issues. I don't know precisely what ails the kid. I have a small inkling regarding the treatment processes but not the costs. I also have no opinion on parental input as I am not privy to their thoughts or reasons for whatever they do.
I'm not too sure that my speculation is entirely unfounded. From what little I think I know on the matter the parents took a seriously ill child from the relatively safe environment of a hospital (possibly even a specialist hospital) and subjected him to a long journey to Spain. I don't know why it was necessary to take the child all that way, but they did. Now, can anybody who has been paying attention to this case please tell me how the child ended up in hospital in Spain? I don't know what invidious means.  |
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As far as I'm aware, the boy can't get the treatment needed in the UK for his brain tumour.
So they took him from the hospital, as is their right. The couple apparently own a property in Spain which they were going to sell to raise money for his treatment. But they got locked up instead. The earlier news said they will now possibly go to Czechoslovakia for the treatment. |
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Doctors - don't trust them unless they have a solid record of good decisions. And then be careful. Mind you - they can be rubbish.
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The invidious one will now tell you that Czechoslovakia is a long way to take an ailing child..
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Hey.
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It is a long way. Simple as that. I'd guess they'd fly, though. Possibly with medical attendants.
Can anybody tell me who put the child in the Spanish hospital? I'm going to 'Google' invidious!  |
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when the spanish police locked up the parents I imagine hospital was deemed best place for the child, otherwise he would have been left in care of siblings only.
Locking up his parents is the key. You have said parents not telling full truth, have hinted that he has come to some harm in his parents care during the journey. The authorities you like to suck off ie the CPS have dropped this like a stone because there is no evidence of criminality or reasonable expectation of a conviction. ie THEY DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!! |
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The CPS said that "there is insufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction for any criminal offence".
Evidence showed the parents had taken steps to safeguard Ashya's health and two independent medical experts had indicated the risk to Ashya's life "was not as great as had been originally thought". On the decision of the Southampton hospital to initially alert police, Hunt said: "I think it has been a very unfortunate sequence of events and there have clearly been misunderstandings along the way." Parents are considering legal action against Southampton General Hospital, their lawyer said, claiming they were told by doctors there was no problem with them taking Ashya out of the UK for treatment. Hampshire's police commissioner Simon Hayes said wanted assurance "as to the quality of the information given by Southampton General Hospital to Hampshire Constabulary". Hospital made up the scare story because they didnt like being disagreed with, sadly its as simple as that. If hospital was told before hand then, the kid would still be in the same hospital getting wrong treatment from parents view. They could not tell hospital as we now know how the hospital would have reacted. The parents did what was best for the child not the hospital. He will get better treatment from what they did |
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Right. So, let's go back to my original point that the police did NOT over-react. They were informed by the hospital that a seriously (I assume) ill young boy had been removed without notification or medical consent to an unknown location. In effect...kidnapped.
Apparently, they were told that he was in grave danger (my words) if he did not receive certain post-op medication within 24 hours from the time of his disappearance. Now, given those circumstances and that information, what would YOU do? Please refrain from using information and details gleaned later in the saga. I await with bated breath. "The authorities you like to suck off"...is there any real need to be insulting? |
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Hospital made up the scare story because they didnt like being disagreed with, sadly its as simple as that.
Agreed Brendan but there was no doubt a severe case of "Please don't tell the world that your child could have had proton treatment privately" |
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Sky caught out there with the fathers ability to speak fluent Spanish at the press con...
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Thoroughly decent family treated like criminals.Shame on the Police and a tory government that can preside over this shambles
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And there you have it. Just as i intimated earlier, the father has just said "Southampton knew i was going to take my son anyway - They have always known"
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This country is going down the pan. An absolute debacle that should never have happened. Let's face it, the boy is terminally ill and the NHS don't want to spend anymore money on him. Just another stat in their eyes and I fully support what the family have done.
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I think naydam should be congratulated for defending the authorities in this case. The full process of law must be gone through.
ps what law did the parents break? ~The arrogance of the cps - insufficient evidence!!?? of what exactly!!?? for a prosecution for what exactly?? What about the human rights of this family. I do hope southampton, police and cps are all sued for hundreds of thousands of pounds and people are sacked. It is a shame we didn't have this attention and immediate action by the authorities in rochdale and other associated inner cities involved in grooming cases. |
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what I love is the gutless guardian not opening comment columns on this story !!! says it all really
If it was illegal immigrants detained or a racism case they would be all over it. |
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here here
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is it also true that the child has been made a ward of court!!?? It gets barmier!!!!
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Portsmouth Council clearly distancing themselves from Southhampton General. 'Ye is on yer own Jack'
Made a Ward of Court to protect the child while his parents were in custody, according to Council spokeswoman. |
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and still is though!!??
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Can't be revoked till High Court sits on Monday, i believe. Not sure why it can't be reversed sooner though under a judicial review...
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There's no point in discussing the case with naydam.
As far as he's concerned, plod can never do any wrong. He still can not accept that the parents did not break any laws in removing their child from the hospital because it shows up plod for the mugs they are. |
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father obviously lost it saying the hospital were going to kill his son or turn him into a vegatable
he,s now saying he,s barred from seeing his child when he isnt him and his wife have seen the kid he,s now complaining that they wont let him take his child back to southampton to recieve 2 chemo treatments before prague will take him someone might enlighten him that if he didnt take his kid on a euro tour he,d be in the hospital getting the treatment he now says they are stopping him getting the blokes obviously due to the stress is unhinged rumours that he,s told the press the child has only 4 months to live,if true it would explain the hospitals reluctance to sanction an expensive treatment |
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Wesdaq. That is hardly discussion. I don't defend or anybody else who fails to do their job properly.
The police in this case seem to have responded correctly to the information and instructions that they were given at the time. Please don't resort to using hindsight. A seriously ill boy was taken from the safe environment of the hospital to somewhere unknown. The boy was considered to be in danger and was made a ward of court. The police would then (I guess) be given instructions to find the boy and return him to the court. What exactly, are you saying that the police did wrong? Please think about this and stop just throwing out random accusations. What did the police do that was wrong...In your own opinion. |
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*don't defend the police*
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what are you saying the parents did wrong?
you hint all along that some harm could have be fallen him but this just isnt the case, but you still bang on about it kidnaping etc  |
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Keep digging naydam.
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so you must be saying he shouldnt have been in hospital at all and would have been quite safe at home in bed,the hospital have said one coughing fit and a sequence of events could have started which the family would not have the skills to sort out
this morning the dr,s were going to either kill him or turn him into a vegatable,this evening he wants to return his son to the same sed dr,s, work that one out absolute certain that this family is feeding the gullable media half a story but as said its done the trick and people queuing up to pay for the op sky visiting the clinic in prague telling all their viewers the boy will be saved and cured |