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Yes has been punted in from over 7 to under 5 !!
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that's today's cameron effect . will wear off come post time .
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It`s akabula`s money, he`s trying to put the hex on it
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No Jock can ever call himself a PROUD SCOT every again if they don't vote YES
Do you really want to be dictated to by TORY governments who have well and truly screwed you over decade upon decade or a labour government that only want your votes but in reality do not give a flying FCUK about you, free education comes with limited job opportunity thanks to the INFLUX of immigrants, they give with one hand and take with the other, they sold out their working class roots they day they got their first whiff of power, VOTE YES, this is your one and only chance, the English will take the piss out of every jock until your dying day if you do not. |
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What destiny will Scotland have if it is a tiny member of the EU and tied to a currency it has no control over? Would hardly call this "independence"?
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The way he carries on it seems its more like a vote for a President Salmond than actual Scottish independence.
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We`re tied to a currency we already have no control over and being governed by a Tory government who don`t give a **** about us.
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time to stand up and be counted
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.....FFS Scotland.....its not about now, or Salmond.....its about 10, 20, 50, 70, 100, 200 years time. Take your proper place among the nations.......all the "issues" and "personalities" of today will be irrelevant. It will be about how you make your lives better for yourselves.
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Scotland has got the govt it voted for 12 out of the last 18 elections. Same as England. Not bad going.
It's a myth that we'd get a govt that gives a **** about us in an independent Scotland. Politicians give a **** only about themselves & that won't change. I find it incredibly odd that we've reached this point. The SNP haven't got 'into power' at Holyrood on an Independence ticket at all. I can't remember any great outcry or desire for independence when this all started. It's down to Scots feeling that the SNP were the only alternative to the traditional Labour vote. Labour seen as almost bad as the Tories up here now. Salmond has lucked out with a Tory Govt in place, with David Cameron just the sort of guy that Scots love to hate. I hope enough of us can vote with heads, instead of looking at the short term political situation. Devo-max will do for me. |
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.......its not about the "head" / nor is about now (2014).
Nobody knows for sure how things will transpire in 20, 30, 40 years time all that certain is that it will be down to how well the Scots manage all aspects of life there. However one thing is certain.....Scots in the future will feel prouder......more confident, more visionary, and less f*ckin' dependent - this will underpin greater prosperity medium to long term. |
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.....assuming the decide to become a proper country
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Exactly. Nobody knows...
Which is why the polls are seemingly so close. I'm proud to be Scottish and also proud to be British. I don't feel dependent on England. Of course if we become independent, it will largely be down to us how well we do. However, I don't think that emotional responses such as pride and confidence really cut it. I don't really buy into the positivity of making our own choices. What if the choices available to us are so much the poorer in an independent Scotland? There seems to be a misguided notion that only the yes voters truly want what's best for Scotland. Any way, it's a question we'll never know the answer to. Both situations can't exist concurrently so we'll never know which way would have worked out better. As as No voter, I feel that I can't lose. At least a Yes vote will create some excitement. |
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Scotland is and will always be a separate country. Britain is a political and economic construct that Scotland was dragged into, against the wishes of the majority of its people. The people of Scotland never ever voted to be part of Britain or to be ruled by an elite in London.
While there may have been a time - when the British empire was at its peak - when Scotland may have benefited from the union it is difficult to argue that in the last 50 years that has been the case: Thatcherism, the Poll Tax, the Bedroom Tax, Food Banks, child poverty, austerity measures against the most vulnerable, sons killed in illegal wars, a near privatised NHS, PPP, ATOS, nuclear weapons and nuclear waste, decimated traditional industries, an over reliance on Financial services, tax cuts for the richest baztards, zero hour contracts, squandered oil revenues, a concentration of public spending on London... Forget about emotion. An independent Scotland can do better...if for no other reason than it can´t do any worse. Better Together my arrse. |
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pum phhol. said 'The way he carries on it seems its more like a vote for a President Salmond than actual Scottish independence'.
I couldn't agree more. (...and people don't trust David Cameron?. Serves 'em right imo.). |
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The Scots, the Irish, the Welsh and the English .............................. BETTER TOGETHER
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United We Stand?..............We'll see.
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Divided we Fall..........................worth a little bit of thought I would think.
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Absolutely no chance its going to happen a waste of time even thinking about it.
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Dedicated to Alex Salmond and the 'yes' people - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-yprOLmRkc
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I heard that they borrowed those shirts from Call Me A Taxi.
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To Scotland from Alex Salmond
 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYW3rfX66KU |
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Some suits dewey
 here's hoping its never. |
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why are we better together dewey? perhaps you might like to elucidate.
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back in the day - nothing wrong with that. Memories.
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TiptheOdds - what? apart from Tourism does Scotland actually have?
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akabula
The Scots, the Irish, the Welsh and the English .............................. BETTER TOGETHER sorry dewey, the question should have been directed at akabula |
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i remember in the mid 1980s alex salmond famously declared Scotland will be free by 93(1993). this is a man whos only political ambition is to break up the united kingdom. people with long memories may remember in the 70s the Scottish national party voted with the conservative party in Westminster in a vote of no confidence to remove james callaghans labour government.callaghans famous response to salmonds snp was he had never known turkeys to vote for an early Christmas(how true was that statement) this resulted in a Margaret thatcher tory government for Scotland which they did not vote for.you can thank salmonds party for being involved with all the heartbreak and job losses heaped on the working class people of salmonds beloved Scotland. the separatist party (snp) should never be trusted by anyone. also it baffles me why a party hellbent on separation are keeping very quiet on important issues such as Scottish passports, who will set interest rates, nuclear weapons, Scottish army , navy etc, keeping or rejecting the queen as head of state. surely an independent Scotland means Scotland rejects everything that makes the union strong? or will he retain certain things that are good about the union in which case it will not be full blown independence!! I just hope the people of Scotland will not be fooled by anything salmond promises and vote no in three weeks time. remember separation is not just for Christmas it forever!!!!
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Its much closer than any poll or betting suggests .
We are not voting on Scotland's past we are voting on the Future of the UK ,it affects everyone and i hope the Scottish Electorate turn out in force. |
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FFS this referendum is nothing to do with Alec Salmond. It´s a vote for independence.
If you don´t like Salmond fair enough, you can vote for somebody else at the next Scottish election, but don´t confuse the issues. |
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I think that similar to in business there is strength in size.
But my concerns are mainly in what it would cost to set us up independently. I also have concerns that the SNP have failed miserably to give us financial detail in any aspect of this. TBH I've just started a poker tourney and don't really have the time to elaborate now. |
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still waiting to hear from akabula on why Scotland, England, NI and Wales are better together...expect it´ll be a long wait.
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The Yes supporters are being asked to give answers to questions that are impossible to answer until such time as the real negotiations begin...as the Bitter Together camp well know.
How can the Scottish government answer questions on currency, the EU, NATO etc until after a Yes vote? How many other newly independent nations were able to answer these questions before they became independent? |
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I was going to forego note taking in my tourney and reply further but it would appear that you are just looking for a fight rather than a debate so I suggest you look elsewhere.
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All of the great Scottish people have come about because of the union. After the union Scotland became
the country we think of as Scotland, before the union nothing. The union was so successful it produced some of the greatest scientists, engineers, writers, inventors, etc. anywhere in the world. What we think of as Scotland is a Scotland of the union. |
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WALOFS Lfc as usual. The enlightenment NOT the union brought the evolution of great thinkers on both sides of the border.
You could equally say the same thing about great English people. |
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Exactly so, although England had Shakespeare and Newton before the union.
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what would be the outcome if only the people of England , wales, and northern Ireland were asked to vote on whether Scotland should be an independent country? just a different slant on things but it would interesting to see what way that vote would go..
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sean connery a NO
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Not sure about what you are calling Enlightenment in Scotland but the multitude of free thinking Scots were a product of an education system and that education was a direct result of the REFORMATION ,The Union was a progression of this and after the UNION was made Scotland really flourished and produced its greats ,scientists ,inventors ,explorers,architects,writers ect ect .
Without the England's help and protection it could not have been possible . |