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so basically Einstein was agnostic.
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the question is.........what would einsteins feelings be now if he was around at this time
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i highly doubt his opinion would be changed, IMO
he was already well aware of quantum mechanics and there hasn't been much progress on that front. there's been variations of theories of how the universe (the one we can observe in its original sense) came to be after the big bang and attempts to make the physics make sense... the only major theoretical stuff seems to be hawking's theory of black hole radiation. then there's all the concepts of string theory, multiverses and infinite universes... all conjectures that are possible and not disproved so far, just like the existence of a creator or intent to the universe. maybe someone of his genius could make better use of today's tools though... i'd guess the major difference is that the general population, at least in the West, are more receptive to the theories of how we came to be. i'm not sure the contents of his letter to the non-physicist would be much different. |
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Thats not true cardiff.
He had a low opinion of athesists because of their closed minds. See some of the quotes attributed to him rther than saying such nonsense like if he where alive today he would be an atheist like you. Thats frankly quite laughable. |
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maleuk........dont tell me you believe in an invisible man in the sky.......all knowing and all seeing........
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My biggest disappointment is there is no Devil we can conjure up, as in our supernatural fiction
and things like magic and books of spells do not really exist... oh well |
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According to biographer Walter Isaacson, Einstein was more inclined to denigrate disbelievers than the faithful.[22] Einstein said in correspondence, "[T]he fanatical atheists...are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against the traditional 'opium of the people'—cannot bear the music of the spheres."[22][23] Although he did not believe in a personal God, he indicated that he would never seek to combat such belief because "such a belief seems to me preferable to the lack of any transcendental outlook."
He sums you up perfectly cardiff. |
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ebul......what about the giant spaghetti monster.........hes real
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mal.......doesnt really matter what einstein believed........doesnt change the chances of there being a god........its still very small.........i would say 1 in 100,000
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please note when he talks about atheists he refers as "them" not us.
Also cardiff believing in a higher spirit or an intellegent universe does not necessarily mean believing in an old man sitting on a cloud or adam and eve etc. You are embarrasing yourself here. |
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maleu........you got a cheek..........youre the the one who believes in the supernatural
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i believe in science.....tested theories not ghost angels gods goblins and the devil
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no one really knows what charles darwin really thought but its safe to assume if he lived now he would be a non believer ......and its not impossible einstein would be the same........we just dont know
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oh dear
..that is my hopes goneMan invented God, God did not invent Man Darwin was afraid to publish his 'Origin Of Species' he feared he had killed God and hurt the faith of many people he need not have worried |
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mal...........you will agree with something.........the world would be a much safer and nicer place without religon
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big mistake cardiffc.....it is not Religion that is violent, it is us
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If you look through World History you will find, many wars have been fought over Religion
but many wars have been fought over other things, in fact a lot more, so I doubt Religion is the only cause of War |
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as ebul said it is mankind that causes violence. By your arguement all athesist would be pacifists?
Most wars are economical. For more land, power, etc (many fought under the pretence of religion many years ago) |
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well summed up maleuk01
fanatical atheists are worse than fanatical believers. |
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never seen an atheist fly a plane into a skyscraper
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So, cardiffc, who brought the twin towers in New York down on Soptember 11 2001? You surely don't believe the official story thet it was islamic terrorists, do you?
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oh ffs here we go again
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owmy brains.......you have the right name............nap
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your arguement all athesist would be pacifists?
that is a good argumant maleuki01 Darwin never believed in God. Einstein probably did not either but I think he wanted to believe deep down, there is a need in us and you surely cannot expect Einstein to disappoint a little girl that would too cruel |
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cardiffc. How could I not have the right name when I've read your comments on this thread?
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anyone who believes that there was a conspiracy over 9\11 must be suffering a brainhurtz
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I can`t remember many topics created by believers forcing their faith on others, but atheists bang on about there not being a God every ******* week.
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anybody who thinks 9\11 was a conspiracy should be locked up in broadmoor......for his own safety
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You are very naive cardiff. If you really knew what went on in the dark corridors of Whitehall and Washington you would be totally shocked. They are monitoring this forum as I write so I can`t say no more. Don`t want to accidentally fall in front of a bus tomorrow
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9/11 could easily have been prevented but they needed an excuse to invade Iraq and get the oil. Weapons of mass destruction my ****. Pity Dr Kelly committed suicide while compiling his report on the subject.
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Going back to the beautiful planet, that couldn't have been formed without some divine intervention argument - it's worth remembering that we're the only planet we know of, that is positioned the "right" distance from the sun to support life. Lucky, not blessed.
And the beauty of our planet is totally aesthetic and subjective. Our conscious minds find certain shapes, forms and landscapes, aesthetically pleasing. Doesn't mean that an alien could come down and find everything completely repulsive. Beauty is completely in the eye of the beholder. Our conscious minds give us a horrible time over the nature of reality. |
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If David Kelly's death is not a subject for conspiracy theorist, I don't what is?
Blair says Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, David Kelly says they don't, two weeks later he commits suicide very convenient to say the least |
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interesting dontwin2easy
We understand far less about our universe than we know, some of it is baffling so if anybody wants to believe in a creator, there is plenty of room, you can believe in any of the Gods we have had so far...or invent any of your own |
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The watch is a proper example of intelligent design.It has a purpose.the Universe may have been designed but if so it was by an idiot.Nothing on this earth has any purpose other than to reproduce itself. All the fantastic efforts of the salmon and the bees and the birds of paradise ,which involve complicated and amazing patterns have one aim and one result: survival for its own sake. How is that intelligent?
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is science is correct they say energy can neither be created or destroyed ,so that means the energy of the universe will last forever. so they say things like "one day the universe will end as we know it".i love to say to these people "we don't know the universe"
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Interestingly the co founder of modern evolutionary theory...must have believed in God
he was a monk!...Mendel and his peas. He must also have accepted 'The Origin of the Species' to do the work he did. He was looking at the practical problem of how our attributes or genomes, I think they are called? were actually passed on from parent to offspring, and how a species could manage to change or adapt itself. Sadly unrecognised in his own lifetime. But later rediscovered, and recognised as the genius he was. |
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very true ebul
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