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BBC must stop demonising Islam
BBC must stop demonising Islam
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You have made me feel much safer Jed - thankyou
our super border agency will mow them down as they approach the coast |
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west backed Iraq in the Iran/Iraq war , west destroyed Iraq and now wants to encourage Iran to sort out Iraq ?
Also we send letters telling bombers they dont have a case to answer after killing members of our forces on home soil ,but we should intervene when it comes to others fighting abroad and jail them here .  |
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If Muslims stop committing barbaric acts then they won't be in the news, Simples.
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EVERY BODY FROM THE PAST WHO WAS OLDER THAN ME AND IM 64 USED TO SAY NEVER TRUST AN ARAB
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ALL THEM THAT WAS IN THE BRITISH ARMY WHO WENT OVER SEAS SAID THAT .ALL OF THEM
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RickiBobby has hit de nail on de head.No more killing - no more news.
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MIND YOU THESE DAYS I DONT EVEN TRUST THE BRITISH THAT I KNOW
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jed.davison • June 17, 2014 5:57 PM BST
So ebulgery, is the one cause the creation of Israel, or the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan? I told you already, the Sunnis regarded the Shia as idolatrous apostates long before Israel was created, a millennium before in fact. I accept that..but you see we did not have the barbarous civil war that appears to be going on in Syria, did we? and could well happen/ has happened in Iraq So if we ask the question who benefits from all of this, well surely the answer must be Israel they see their enemies the Arabs ripping each other apart, which means they cannot offer a serious threat to Israel I believe form the early 90's Americas policy has been to destabilise strong Arab states by removing strong rulers, leaving a power vacuum in which internecine war will break out between Shias and Sunnis. This protects Israel. Although I accept America may not have wanted it to reach the levels it has now, they just wanted the removal of strong leaders, it has rather got out of hand I believe there are one or two secondary causes have been added, but that was the original motivation just an opinion |
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Its ironic how Saddam and Assad are now being looked at in a different light.
Theyve gone from being mad dictators,to strong leaders who kept their countries at least a bit stable, unlike the positions they are now in. |
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I doubt they were ever mad tbh mad mad moon
But I admit they were/are somewhat brutal, but it seems this is what these countries need. Because if you remove them and give these people democracy, what happens, civil war This is the worst option for any country in my opinion. All you get is never ending killing, atrocities, and general chaos So unless someone can negotiate some kind of truce or partition in Syria. Then the only way that terrible civil war will end, is if someone wins. We had our own civil war, at the end of four years, people were grateful that anybody won. Things were that bad. |
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i never said they were mad Ebul. That was the perception that we were told by our illustrious leaders
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Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
The grass isn't always greener on the other. Better the Devil you know than the Devil you don't. |
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The trouble is Iraq were not given much choice were they Booby????
The Gulf War demonstrated Saddam posed no threat to us...our weapons are far superior then why the need for sanctions or the Invasion(on the basis of WMDs which he did not have)????? Also since the invasion, after the American troops left, there has been a low level civil war going on anyway in Iraq regular terrorist bombings, and tit for tat murders....this is hardly a peaceful society There is a considerable death toll.... I know they are doing it themselves but I feel we are still responsible, because if Saddam was still there this would not be happening, I acknowledge there was a cost to this as far as human rights went....but for most preferable. Now this extreme group Isis have invaded, intent on inciting all out Sunni/Shia civil war Obama has to decide if he prevent this and how He is talking to Iran I think at the moment  I hope he can prevent civil war |
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The US should have gone in and split the country up into its different ethnic groups . That would have helped .
The extremists are just sicko killing machines looking for their next conquest. Sooner or later the UN are going to have to get involved or there is going to be another Cambodia ,Bosnia situation. Iran is run by leaders who are a lot more civil these days and only became a warped extremist country when Ahyatolla Khomeini took over. There seems to be a big under current of Hatred in these Muslim countries and its difficult to see exactly were it stems from. Think in the end a Nuclear bomb will drop on one of them and they'll start to see things a bit different just as the Japanese did when 2 of their cities got wiped off the map. |
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Just to correct another one of your claims ebulGery, Israel doesn't care which particular tribe or sect has control of the Arab world, or any part of it.
Israel destroyed the Arab armies in 1967, and it would destroy them again - this time within minutes - if it came to it. |
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I think Israel very much cares...it is a matter of survival for them..still we can agree to disagree jed
only became a warped extremist country when Ahyatolla Khomeini took over actually bobby they threw the Americans and chose that...which is their right I imagine their hatred comes from seeing us invade Arab countries and kill Muslim...I think if I was a Muslim I would be angry about that...seems a reasonable human reaction We don't like their value, they don't like ours, fine But we really need to stop believing the only way to peace is to invade countries and start killing people otherwise war will never stop will it |
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dropping a Nuclear Bomb on Muslim countries bobby
is definitely not the way to peace, FFS! |
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Israel destroyed the Arab armies in 1967, and it would destroy them again - this time within minutes - if it came to it.
Israel have probably one of the best trained arm forces in the world...but things have moved on. It wouldn't be so easy this time. |
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Do wah Diddy • June 17, 2014 8:07 PM BST
EVERY BODY FROM THE PAST WHO WAS OLDER THAN ME AND IM 64 USED TO SAY NEVER TRUST AN ARAB I am in your age group Do Wah Diddy.. hmmm.....I cant remember to be honest???? We were brought up to be pro Israel I remember, "look at poor little Israel being attacked by all those big Arab countries" I think we aided Israel in the 1967 and 1973 wars(petrol did not arf go up after that one )But over time I have changed my view, I now see the Palestinian Arabs as the victims here |
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I still think this is at the core of all this
which is why I said earlier, actually this is not about religion at all, it is about land |
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I think Islam was used to unite all Arabs
The problem is now that is actually dividing them into Shias and Sunnis rather like us with our Protestants and Catholics we have given up fighting over that, except in N.Ireland which again is about land not religion |
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They still get a bit animated at Rangers v Celtic matches
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http://truthonsectarianism.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/ira-are-sectarian.html
sorry ebulgery but cant have your veiws on Northern Ire . Bringing Rangers v Celtic into this fred is out of order . you really are a stirring goat . |
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Our agreement did not last long
I really do not know what your problem is breadnbutter Of course I am aware of what went in Ireland...it is a fair comparison and my comment over land I have no idea what you think is out of order??????????????????????? |
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you think I am a know all
you are probably right there, although I only pick on a few threads |
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answering your own questions in your usual dribbling fashion and dropping in your own distorted opinions as some sort of fact
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You have seen through me
but my facts are not distorted....they are an opinion although the factual part is reasonably accurate obviously we have different opinions |
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people interpret the same set of facts differently
...rather like studying horse racing form |
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People may interpret things differently, but just as in horse racing form, only one opinion is right in the end.
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So you think if Saddam Hussein were still there, none of this would be happening?
Good God man, he killed 120,000 Shia in just one of his pogroms, do you think Iran would just be sitting there having that? Further, whatever the rights and wrongs of the invasion and removal of Saddam, the fact is that had the will been there, they could have found a settlement between themselves. But just as in Yugoslavia, the will wasn't there. The only will was the will to fight the wars that Saddam and Tito had kept in abeyance. You're living in cloud cuckoo land mate. |
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jed.davison • June 18, 2014 10:14 AM BST
People may interpret things differently, but just as in horse racing form, only one opinion is right in the end. yes but is not a horse race, this is living history, no one knows who's opinion will be right in the end until we are long dead....when History will decide the result At the moment, we are in play, so all bets are still on I note your comparison to Yugoslavia a reasonable comparison. Once Tito and communism departed the country, it fell back into ethnic hatred and divides But this is not their will this has a base from centuries past. It is in fact people being what they are. They are trapped in history Once people like Tito and Saddam are removed, then you have taken the lid of the cauldron, there is little control what come out. My point is this, are the people of Iraq better off now, or were they better off under Saddam, this is not clear to me, seeing as there is inevitable series of bombings and atrocities, Isis will make this worse it is a fair question |
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As for people only posting what is known for a fact
Well there would be precious little posting on here, unless someone has direct links to all the governments of the world? everything that is put is either interpretation or opinion I put mine up, more than most  and I have a sick sense of humour, but don't think I do not see the pain of what is happening here, gallows humour I would say |
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The nuking of Japan was the only thing that was going to stop them fighting to the last man. Some of these Muslim countries seem to think the west and Israel will never use them. When they see the devastation one causes on their own turf the whole Muslim world will
wake up and sort itself out. Just an opinion though Gery ,could be wrong. |
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fair opinion
the problem in Japan was different I would argue, their own code of ethics did not allow them to surrender the Emperor himself had to intercede, and order surrender, Japan was already beaten, for Japan to continue would have meant an utterly point sacrifice, it was all up with them It is all right a warrior committing hari kari, for a whole nation to do it is another thinf, The Nuclear Bomb, plus the Russian army arriving arriving at Chinese ports meant surrender was the only option, in a sane world |
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Also if you propose nuking Arab countries, then in the interest of fairness one would have to nuke Israel
equal treatment for both sides I don't think they want this, nukes need to be kept out of this area of the world |
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Iraq crisis: Isis planning to attack Britain, says Cameron - live
. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10908057/Iraq-crisis-Isis-launch-overnight-attack-on-Iraqs-biggest-oil-refinery-live.html |
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ebulGery when are you going to let the guilt go that you feel it's our fault. These parasites need wiping off the face of the earth.
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there goes my plea for peace
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ebulGery
18 Jun 14 13:05 As for people only posting what is known for a fact Well there would be precious little posting on here, unless someone has direct links to all the governments of the world? Our govt. state that violent crime in all areas is decreasing. Is that the truth? Rape is on the increase. So, for the purpose of UK crime stats, rape is not a classed as a violent crime? WALOFS |
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Real rape is a violent crime
Statuary rape may not be, she was under 16, etc |