BBC must stop demonising Islam

Yes, they should stick to informing the British public about Cheryl Cole's latest tattoo and similar important matters.

let's have more on the McCanns instaed

I suppose they could have reported the other news stories of the day, like the other stations did.
What DID the other stations report upon, by the way?

I'm not really sure that the BBC are to blame for all these acts. I think I must be a bit naive.

happy fishing

Burton-Brewers • June 16, 2014 6:24 PM BST
let's have more on the McCanns instaed

No, let;s have more Princess Diana was murdered instead...!!!

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

Yer missed the arranged marriage one.

the criminalisation of forced marrieages and the girl married at 12 sent to pakistan, told if she was pregnant then she could go back to Manchester.

and this is what the moderates do to their own!!!!

naughty - shouldn't be reported!!!

Luckily for the McCanns, they aren't muslims...

It is in fact news, so they are bound to report it

I don't see this as Islamophobia myself
I see this as a failure in our own values as well as their values, that people feel the need
to turn to this

The world itself has taken an unpleasant turn
since about 1980

taxi

Looking back we had no problems with Islamic countries in the past...Nobody told me Islam was bad at school
so how is it bad now?????
there must be a cause for this...since they feel the need to regress about 200 years

They forgot about the 50 people killed in Kenya by Somali Islam lovers. Apparently spent 7 hours on the rampage killing anybody who could not answer questions related to Islam .

And not a dickie bird about the 250 schoolgirls in Nigeria.......

I have suggested our country aids African especially ex colonies
to fight Islamic terrorists...not a lot a lot of response from our government

I assume they cant find them Irish

I think some of the problem has been the fall of the Soviet Union
they were a friend to some of these poorer countries, they have no one now, so they have tuned back to religion sadly

I note that the richer Western countries push capitalism at all costs...and some dubious moral values
in some cases the poorer countries  are being pushed towards Islam as a result I feel

It is a great pity...as I think this an extremely regressive step.....

Irish_Celtic     16 Jun 14 22:35 
And not a dickie bird about the 250 schoolgirls in Nigeria

That was on the BBC news pages on television for quite a few days. It was changed from an initial report of 250, down to 200, about 2 days in. 

If you read BBC news pages on television, whatever's on there on Friday night rarely changes over the weekend. You'd think nothing happened in the world for two days.

everybody takes 2 days off...even Muslim terrorists

Yes back to reality with --- Royal Ascot & the all important latest fashions

They could do with getting Anjem Choudery on to let us know what he thinks to give a bit of balance.

strewth!

We need to get back to Royal Ascot...well the gambling side...to get a bit of reality here

All religions are deluded and their followers should be classed as having a mental illness.


Islam is particularly evil.

Religion. Finance. Politics. the systems of man. the shortfall to the number seven which symbolizes perfection. 666.

lybertyne  • June 17, 2014 10:48 AM BST 
All religions are deluded and their followers should be classed as having a mental illness.
Islam is particularly evil.

you may well be right lybertyne, the problem is I think all non religious people are the same
so are we are not getting anyway

Religion is a concept, it is human beings who are evil

I would suggest tolerance all round, as we had 40/50 years ago
If you dig deep enough and find the cause, it is actually over land, not religion at all
it has completely drifted out of hand

just my own opinion

The BBC largely broadcasts what Government tells it to.

agree Studyform

All of Islam should not judged by Islamic Terrorists

When we invade their countries, it is hardly the fault of Islam, the fault is with us, the invaders

The levels of hate we are seeing in Syria and Iraq, I feel have been uncorked by us

That is unfortunately mistaken elbuGery.

The level of hatred between Sunni and Shia has always been there, and ultimately it is a matter which they seemed determined to resolve by miltary means. Let them have their Reformation.

It would be quickest and easiest to supply them ALL with some proper heavy weaponry and allow them to sort it out in the desert. No need for all this destruction of property. Get out in the f***ing desert and don't come back until you have acquired tolerance or death!

The levels of hate may have been there

but not these appalling civil wars, that is something, I feel we are responsible for

because we invade and deliberately destabilise these countries

then blame them of course, I don't, I blame us

There is one cause driving all this the creation Of Israel

since we cannot uncreate it, I suggest we stay away, they are big enough to look after themselves

We have completely lost control of the situation in Syria, we may be able to at least restore some order in Iraq

I don't know?????

no gery  you are wrong

we gave them democracy and look what they have done with it

a corrupt regime

we are much better

look what Blair did with democracy  ha ha ha!!!  Sorry couldn't resist it!!!!

we agree to disagree moisok

except the last line

I respect your views on them moisok, you don't like their values, well they are different to ours
so your views are honest

but I feel some very bad things have gone down here, and we are at the heart of them, I do not respect this

for a start, how can the US write in it's foreign policy 'the downfall of Iraq', that is in fact
an undeclared declaration of war, that is from the early 90's I believe

I am joking - just about all politicians are corrupt is what I should be saying.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

So ebulgery, is the one cause the creation of Israel, or the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan?

I told you already, the Sunnis regarded the Shia as idolatrous apostates long before Israel was created, a millennium before in fact.

We should not be involved, this is an internecine war between different branches of Islam. Those who have fostered it - Iran and Saudi Arabia - should be told to deal with it.

but wait till they come back home

If we let Iran deal with it properly, they won't be coming back home.

Anyway, I'm sure our ultra-competetnt Border Agency will have it all under control.

You have made me feel much safer Jed - thankyou
our super border agency will mow them down as they approach the coast

west  backed Iraq in the Iran/Iraq war , west destroyed Iraq and now  wants to encourage Iran to sort out Iraq ?

Also we send letters telling bombers they dont have a case to answer after killing members of our  forces on home soil ,but we should intervene when it comes to others fighting abroad and jail them  here .

If Muslims stop committing barbaric acts then they won't be in the news, Simples.

EVERY BODY FROM THE PAST WHO WAS OLDER THAN ME AND IM 64 USED TO SAY NEVER TRUST AN ARAB

ALL THEM THAT WAS IN THE BRITISH ARMY WHO WENT OVER SEAS SAID THAT .ALL OF THEM

RickiBobby has hit de nail on de head.No more killing  - no more news.

MIND YOU THESE DAYS I DONT EVEN TRUST THE BRITISH THAT I KNOW

jed.davison  • June 17, 2014 5:57 PM BST
So ebulgery, is the one cause the creation of Israel, or the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan?
I told you already, the Sunnis regarded the Shia as idolatrous apostates long before Israel was created, a millennium before in fact.

I accept that..but you see we did not have the barbarous civil war that appears to be going on in Syria, did we?
and could well happen/ has happened in Iraq

So if we ask the question who benefits from all of this, well surely the answer must be Israel
they see their enemies the Arabs ripping each other apart, which means they cannot offer a serious threat to Israel

I believe form the early 90's Americas policy has been to destabilise strong Arab states by removing strong rulers,
leaving a power vacuum in which internecine war will break out between Shias and Sunnis.
This protects Israel. Although I accept America may not have wanted it to reach the levels it has now,
they just wanted the removal of strong leaders, it has rather got out of hand

I believe there are one or two secondary causes have been added, but that was the original motivation

just an opinion

Its ironic how Saddam and Assad are now being looked at in a different light.
Theyve gone from being mad dictators,to strong leaders who kept their countries at least a bit stable, unlike the positions they are now in.

I doubt they were ever mad tbh mad mad moon
But I admit they were/are somewhat brutal, but it seems this is what these countries need.
Because if you remove them and give these people democracy, what happens, civil war
This is the worst option for any country in my opinion. All you get is never ending killing, atrocities, and general chaos

So unless someone can negotiate some kind of truce or partition in Syria. Then the only way that terrible civil war
will end, is if someone wins.

We had our own civil war, at the end of four years, people were grateful that anybody won. Things were that bad.

i never said they were mad Ebul. That was the perception that we were told by our illustrious leaders

Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
The grass isn't always greener on the other.
Better the Devil you know than the Devil you don't.

The trouble is Iraq were not given much choice were they Booby????
The Gulf War demonstrated Saddam posed no threat to us...our weapons are far superior
then why the need for sanctions or the Invasion(on the basis of WMDs which he did not have)?????

Also since the invasion, after the American troops left, there has been a low level civil war going on anyway in Iraq
regular terrorist bombings, and tit for tat murders....this is hardly a peaceful society
There is a considerable death toll....

I know they are doing it themselves
but I feel we are still responsible, because if Saddam was still there this would not be happening,
I acknowledge there was a cost to this as far as human rights went....but for most preferable.

Now this extreme group Isis have invaded, intent on inciting all out Sunni/Shia civil war
Obama has to decide if he prevent this and how
He is talking to Iran I think at the moment
I hope he can prevent civil war

The US should have gone in and split the country up into its different ethnic groups . That would have helped .
The extremists are just sicko killing machines looking for their next conquest. Sooner or later the UN are going to have to get
involved or there is going to be another Cambodia ,Bosnia situation.
Iran is run by leaders who are a lot more civil these days and only became a warped extremist country when Ahyatolla Khomeini took over.
There seems to be a big under current of Hatred in these Muslim countries and its difficult to see exactly were it stems from. Think
in the end a Nuclear bomb will drop on one of them and they'll start to see things a bit different just as the Japanese did when 2 of their cities got wiped off the map.

Just to correct another one of your claims ebulGery, Israel doesn't care which particular tribe or sect has control of the Arab world, or any part of it.

Israel destroyed the Arab armies in 1967, and it would destroy them again - this time within minutes - if it came to it.

I think Israel very much cares...it is a matter of survival for them..still we can agree to disagree jed

only became a warped extremist country when Ahyatolla Khomeini took over
actually bobby they threw the Americans and chose that...which is their right

I imagine their hatred comes from seeing us invade Arab countries and kill Muslim...I think if I was a Muslim I would be
angry about that...seems a reasonable human reaction

We don't like their value, they don't like ours, fine
But we really need to stop believing the only way to peace is to invade countries and start killing people
otherwise war will never stop will it

dropping a Nuclear Bomb on Muslim countries bobby
is definitely not the way to peace, FFS!

Israel destroyed the Arab armies in 1967, and it would destroy them again - this time within minutes - if it came to it.

Israel have probably one of the best trained arm forces in the world...but things have moved on. It wouldn't be so easy this time.

Do wah Diddy  • June 17, 2014 8:07 PM BST 
EVERY BODY FROM THE PAST WHO WAS OLDER THAN ME AND IM 64 USED TO SAY NEVER TRUST AN ARAB

I am in your age group Do Wah Diddy..
hmmm.....I cant remember to be honest????

We were brought up to be pro Israel I remember,
"look at poor little Israel being attacked by all those big Arab countries"

I think we aided Israel in the 1967 and 1973 wars(petrol did not arf go up after that one)

But over time I have changed my view, I now see the Palestinian Arabs as the victims here

I still think this is at the core of all this
which is why I said earlier, actually this is not about religion at all, it is about land

I think Islam was used to unite all Arabs
The problem is now that is actually dividing them into Shias and Sunnis
rather like us with our Protestants and Catholics
we have given up fighting over that, except in N.Ireland
which again is about land not religion

They still get a bit animated at Rangers v Celtic matches

http://truthonsectarianism.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/ira-are-sectarian.html



sorry ebulgery but cant have your veiws on Northern Ire .

Bringing Rangers v Celtic into this fred is out of order .

you really are a stirring  goat .

Our agreement did not last long

I really do not know what your problem is breadnbutter
Of course I am aware of what went in Ireland...it is a fair comparison
and my comment over land
I have no idea what you think is out of order???????????????????????

you think I am a know all
you are probably right there, although I only pick on a few threads

answering your own questions  in your  usual dribbling  fashion  and dropping in your own distorted opinions as some sort of fact

know all

You have seen through me

but my facts are not distorted....they are an opinion
although the factual part is reasonably accurate
obviously we have different opinions

people interpret the same set of facts differently
...rather like studying horse racing form

People may interpret things differently, but just as in horse racing form, only one opinion is right in the end.

So you think if Saddam Hussein were still there, none of this would be happening?

Good God man, he killed 120,000 Shia in just one of his pogroms, do you think Iran would just be sitting there having that? Further, whatever the rights and wrongs of the invasion and removal of Saddam, the fact is that had the will been there, they could have found a settlement between themselves. But just as in Yugoslavia, the will wasn't there. The only will was the will to fight the wars that Saddam and Tito had kept in abeyance.

You're living in cloud cuckoo land mate.

jed.davison  • June 18, 2014 10:14 AM BST
People may interpret things differently, but just as in horse racing form, only one opinion is right in the end.

yes but is not a horse race, this is living history, no one knows who's opinion will be right in the end
until we are long dead....when History will decide the result

At the moment, we are in play, so all bets are still on

I note your comparison to Yugoslavia a reasonable comparison. Once Tito and communism departed the country,
it fell back into ethnic hatred and divides

But this is not their will this has a base from centuries past. It is in fact people being what they are.
They are trapped in history

Once people like Tito and Saddam are removed, then you have taken the lid of the cauldron, there is little control
what come out.

My point is this, are the people of Iraq better off now, or were they better off under Saddam, this is not clear to me,
seeing as there is inevitable series of bombings and atrocities, Isis will make this worse

it is a fair question

As for people only posting what is known for a fact

Well there would be precious little posting on here, unless someone has direct links to all the governments of the world?

everything that is put is either interpretation or opinion

I put mine up, more than most

and I have a sick sense of humour, but don't think I do not see the pain of what is happening here, gallows humour I would say

The nuking of Japan was the only thing that was going to stop them fighting to the last man. Some of these Muslim countries seem to think the west and Israel will never use them. When they see the devastation one causes on their own turf the whole Muslim world will
wake up and sort itself out. Just an opinion though Gery ,could be wrong.

fair opinion

the problem in Japan was different I would argue, their own code of ethics did not allow them to surrender
the Emperor himself had to intercede, and order surrender, Japan was already beaten, for Japan to continue
would have meant an utterly point sacrifice, it was all up with them

It is all right a warrior committing hari kari, for a whole nation to do it is another thinf,
The Nuclear Bomb, plus the Russian army arriving arriving at Chinese ports meant surrender was the only option, in a sane world

Also if you propose nuking Arab countries, then in the interest of fairness one would have to nuke Israel
equal treatment for both sides

I don't think they want this, nukes need to be kept out of this area of the world

Iraq crisis: Isis planning to attack Britain, says Cameron - live

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10908057/Iraq-crisis-Isis-launch-overnight-attack-on-Iraqs-biggest-oil-refinery-live.html

ebulGery when are you going to let the guilt go that you feel it's our fault. These parasites need wiping off the face of the earth.

there goes my plea for peace

ebulGery
18 Jun 14 13:05   
As for people only posting what is known for a fact

Well there would be precious little posting on here, unless someone has direct links to all the governments of the world?

Our govt. state that violent crime in all areas is decreasing.
Is that the truth?
Rape is on the increase.
So, for the purpose of UK crime stats, rape is not a classed as a violent crime?

WALOFS

Real rape is a violent crime

Statuary rape may not be, she was under 16, etc

bigmo  • June 18, 2014 1:26 PM BST
Iraq crisis: Isis planning to attack Britain, says Cameron - live

The reason he may have said this, is he knows nobody in this country really gives a toss what happens in Iraq, which I feel is true
so he makes up some pretend threat, bit like Blair did really
which suggests he is considering our intervening in contrast to what Hague said yesterday
we would not be intervening, there is nothing we can do, that the US cannot do themselves
very true

We are a target for a lot of terrorist groups, that is the world we live in, we must be vigilant

As for Isis targeting us, well that is because of our previous invasion of Iraq
so Blair's claim that invading Iraq reduced the terrorist threat, has been shown for the lie it always was
It increases it.

I have no trouble with anybody taking our Isis, they appear to be a pretty nasty lot

out

I agree Cameron is quite capable of lying about anything.

It appears the Muslim Community here is very slow at condemning these extremists yet again. My heart goes out to all those innocent kids over there caught up in all this filth.

It is not always easy for these people to condemn their own, or necessarily safe, but we can disagree on that one bigmo

I see Cameron is not advocating intervention, he warns us we must aid Muslim and African countries
in their fight against terrorists..

As long as it is just terrorist, I am all for that, I think we should as well

just no more invasions, or overthrow of regimes we don't like please

"just no more invasions, or overthrow of regimes we don't like please"

That we both agree on ebulGery.

I'd demonise ALL religion

Religion is no more than deluded superstition. Its adherents, whatever their God, should be given short shrift.

A very good piece imho.

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/a-bloody-mess-europeanstyle/story-e6frg76f-1226959136198#

I think we have got ourselves in a complete state of hysteria over Islam
they pose no threat whatsoever to us..they are third world countries

To threaten us..they would need:
A good stock of Nuclear weapons
Some very sophisticated ballistic systems to deliver them
A highly sophisticated satellite surveillance system
A highly sophisticated airforce, with things like Stealth planes and beyond
A fleet of Nuclear Submarines armed with Nuclear weapons, permanently on the move, permanently ready to strike
Extremely advanced tanks and and infantry weapons, as we have
probably a few other things

name me ONE Muslim countries which has got  this????????????????????????????????

We are like a load of women, who scream and jump on chairs at the sight of a mouse, because it is a mouse which threatens us

As for terrorist attacks
We have had two Muslim terrorist attacks in recent years...the London bus bombing and those two lunatics in North London
both of these were a direct consequence of out intervention in Iraq
so far from reducing risk of terrorist attack, our invasion of Iraq increased it, this is proof

As we a large resident Muslim community we could be vulnerable to terrorism, no sign yet though, one just needs a bit of vigilance here

So can people please stop demonising Islam into this massive threat, which in fact it is not

islam must stop demonising the BBC

I hope BEEB don't attack us FFS!