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Sunni minority in Saudi Arabia BBC News 24 now
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Well I had a look at that site formboy.......it does seem a little paranoiac to me
As I have said our Muslim problem?, it is related to our immigration problem, difficult to correct that, although we should not make it worse How many of our white indigenous population are converting to Islam???....my guess is not many, so in a sense it is a by product of immigration. I would find most of those suggestions unacceptable in a civilised society. Although I think we must retain our status as a Christian society which is run by secular law. and while we allow freedom of religion, they must abide by these rules. So then you can limit Muslim extremist and Sharia law etc, and perhaps bring in some of the measures you suggest, but by no means all. Anybody who wishes to live this rather harsh extreme of Islam, cannot do it here, well not in public. In that way we are being tolerant not stupid, but again this is the fault of our politicians I have to say. |
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A lot of countries and religions seek to expand their cause, worldwide
including I regret to say the USA, we need less of this from everybody. I still maintain countries have a right to choose for themselves. |
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So I expect our Muslims to be moderate and discrete
I wish out gays would do the same  |
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especially the women, eh, Ebulgery?
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I'm not saying I agree with all their suggestions, but some of them are viable. Islam has double standards, muslims demand special treatment but they have zero tolerance to the beliefs of others. This country is ideal for them and allows them to exploit the foolishness of our politicians.
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My suggestion is we reaffirm our status as a Christian society, by law never give this up...or we would be stupid I know very few actually go to Church or live by Christian standards but it enables us to limit any idea of Muslims have of expansionism but I give them the right to be Muslims, but they must be moderate and discrete If Muslims countries want to be Muslim, it matters little to me, it is their country after all |
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If we make it absolutely clear we are a Christian society, this is a clear boundary, they cannot cross
what we failed to do with gays I regret, when we gave them marriage,..that should have been their boundary |
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It is all these stupid equalities in all areas, which is causing us problems
in this case religion...very stupid, we will pay for this |
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For example according to Islamic law apostates should be executed
Islamic Law is only interpretation from the Quran and Hadiths. There is no formal actual instruction of Islamic Law, layed out. Several extremeists believe in that for apostates, but the majority do not. |
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but I give them the right to be Muslims, but they must be moderate and discrete
What does this mean? |
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How many of our white indigenous population are converting to Islam???....my guess is not many, so in a sense it is a by product
of immigration. This is an important point - and it is one the UKIP types don't like to answer because it completely check mates them. The number is actually quite high, and the majority of them infact females. This is why Islam can't be stopped. It's not a cultural force or a product of immigration. It's something else. |
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The number is actually quite high, and the majority of them infact females.
that is interesting considering the constant complaint I hear is they discriminate against women Stringer but they must be moderate and discrete well not a lot tbh, just leave the rest of us alone, They can have their Mosques, there does in the park, etc but when they start demanding things like Sharia law, etc....no, because we are a not a Muslim society they are abusing our law on religious freedoms, we need to check them on this |
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This is why Islam can't be stopped. It's not a cultural force or a product of immigration. It's something else.
yes a religion Well I have said we need to reaffirm our Christianity...but I do not want religious war this is utterly ridiculous, surely we can live with each other...it is harder for us because they are here but when we are in different countries...surely that is enough  |
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well not a lot tbh, just leave the rest of us alone,
They can have their Mosques, there does in the park, etc but when they start demanding things like Sharia law, etc....no, because we are a not a Muslim society they are abusing our law on religious freedoms, we need to check them on this I don't think anyone but heretics and outcasts are demanding sharia law. Most Muslims i know are professionals, doctors, lawyers, surveyors etc, they all pray 5 times a day and believe the Quran is the word of God. These are the people I think of when i hear Islam and so should everyone else - not mugs like Anjem Choudry |
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The law to execute apostates comes from authentic hadeeths.
These hadeeths form the sunnah of the 'prophet'. Anjem Choudrayand and the like follow Islam the way it's supposed to be, most moderate muslims are completely ignorant of their religion. |
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You can't reason people who think they know it all
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formboy • June 5, 2014 1:41 AM BST
The law to execute apostates comes from authentic hadeeths. These hadeeths form the sunnah of the 'prophet'. Anjem Choudrayand and the like follow Islam the way it's supposed to be, most moderate muslims are completely ignorant of their religion. The problem with this...is when was it written???????????????????????? if it was written about 700 AD, actually we don't live by those values any more At that time anyone who was living as a Muslim in this country would have been declared an Infidel and killed on those grounds I don't think Muslims living in this country now would want the rest of us to adopt the values we had then there would be mass slaughter We are now living in the 21st century, all religions in this country must abide by secular law |
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It still happens in islamic states, where sharia law is rule.
You can be executed for openly having blasphemous views. Unfortunately moderate muslims have no say on sharia law, once it's in place they will only follow. How can they go against their Prophet and God? |
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formboy thinks he is an Islamic scholar
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I am well aware of the ancient scholars and their tafsirs.
I have studied them as well as the Koran and hadeeths and I also know how modern scholars deceive the West with their interpretation. |
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Don't mean to be rude but you have no idea what you're talking about.
There are students that study for 10 years full time in Medina and they still are not qualified to interpret hadiths. |
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What is there to study about a fairy tale written 1400 years ago .
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Ignorance is bliss
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Well what Islamic countries do in their own countries do in their own countries is their own affair
In our country all religions have to abide by secular law, there are no exceptions, nor should there be People in our society are expected to interpret religion..just because Genesis is written in the bible does not mean all Christians are obliged to believe this word for word.... The same must apply to all other religious books.....they were of their time A law abiding Muslim in this country need not trouble us, nor should we trouble them, just use a bit of common sense |
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Don't worry Stringer, you're not being rude just idiotic.
Ancient scholars were experts in classical arabic and dedicated their lives to studying the Koran and hadeeths, therefore their tafsirs are invaluable. Todays modern western scholars like to promote a more peaceful and tolerant interpretation of the Koran. Unfortunately Epicurean, this silly fairytale is a bit like chinese whisper. As time goes on the more ludicrous the interpretations become. |
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ebulGery, you may find this debate interesting regarding sharia law in the west between anjem choudary and david wood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtOaFvsbFbA |
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There are 4 parts to the debate mentioned above.
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Well I watched first 10 minutes...will watch it all later
He does not like gambling  His is an extreme interpretation of Islam, Sharia law Like Christianity, Muslim has many shades, I doubt whether may Muslims follow Sharia law themselves in this country but discussions like this are fine But there does seem a lot of ignorance as regards Muslims to me They do not threaten us, they do not have the power to, do they, the West has all the power.. people who claim it, are not telling the truth I plead for tolerance and understanding on both sides here, that is all I see our world becoming more extreme, more violent, I think our own values in this country are poor....I would not inflict them on anyone Sadly we are in decline in this country, we seem not to have recovered from WWII, we are lost now we do not know what we are anymore, our politicians give this country away. 1just my opinion |
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There are still a lot of decent people in this country, we just don't listen to them
Our soldiers are brave, but they don't fight for us, they fight for the Americans who to be frank...have a soddin great army of their own, so why? Worse still we fight in unjust wars, invading Afghanistan and Iraq, it grieves me to see it and the way our politicians humiliate and degrade themselves for the Americans....it is so cringe worthy The Americans told us to get out in the Middle East in 1956, when we took back the Suez Canal so what on earth are we doing back there???????????????????????????????????????????????? This has caused unrest with the Muslim population of our own country, of course it would, so their young men are open to extremists. I urge them not to listen, and if they really need to fight, well there is Syria isn't there? go there. |
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What you must understand is sharia law is gods law as far as Islam is concerned. An extremist is the best of muslims according to their prophet. Moderate muslims are merely sheep who will have no say in the matter if the UK ended up an Islamic state one day. They will just go along with it because as a muslim they must accept sharia law is ordained by Allah and his prophet. Many moderate muslims have not actually read the Koran or hadeeths in any detail.
So whilst I agree many muslims would not necessarily choose sharia, under Islamic control they won't have a choice! |
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I see your point
but I still see it as interpretation for a start....does any GOD actually exist?????????????????????????? To threaten us, one must have power, they do not have it, we do so why this Islamaphobia???????????????????? If we ever end up as an Islamic state, It will be because: 1 of our self destructive immigration societies 2 our own values would have become so poor, we actually decide Sharia law is better 3 the abandonment of Christianity Some white woman are converting to Islam, not many white men I think, I do not see an immediate threat I think the woman do it, because they want a masterful man Our own men, would get a load of abuse, if we ever try to tell a women what to do |
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WENT TO THE CASINO LAST NIGHT,THE PLACE WAS FULL OF MUSLIMS
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