The second and third posts on this thread:

bigmo • May 10, 2014 2:08 PM BST
I guess as long as it takes people who oppose his views to stop the name calling and debate in a serious manner the problems he's highlighting.

Shab • May 10, 2014 4:26 PM BST
You would think that by now that would have happened, but it is becoming increasingly obvious that they cannot win the political debate.

NL has proved my point to a tee. Name calling galore, but not one political argument. QED.

fharting dhribble

clair short excepted - one with some convictions
a bit like the sitting left wing mp i was supporting - (you said i supported thatcher then!!)
you are completely bizzare - I am also waiting for your response to the other two lies you said about me working for unicef and the army

how many more lies and smears have you used

the answer to that is many!!!

northernlad, im a brit and i don't consider everything i say to be taken seriously. you however, are like an 8 year old kid who got a propaganda machine for christmas.

if you don't like toilet humour fair enough. i consider it a par for the course here. there are plenty intelligent folk who see it for what it is, little more than nothing.

i see you're affiliating yourself with labour... seriously, you haven't a fecking clue about who, what and why. i think i'm going to start reporting your propaganda because this is meant to be a light hearted forum, not for some moronic muslim who thinks he can subvert the country via it's gambling forums

but it is only very very recently he has started to infest the chit chat forum

don't you recognise a labour stooge

and he says he is a marxist and says he supports labour

and note that he never replies to this

except with abuse

yawn. passing off your wee hate speeches as a laugh. what a life, writing pages and pages of semi-coherent badly spelled nonsense to people who'd never agree with you in a month of sundays, genuinely.

muppet

'Larry'?

His 'Lear' at Stratford in '52 bought tears to my eyes.

Ethnic rising star within the UKIP part has quit the party, because she states the party is racist !

Of course it is. Look at the bill posters !

Farage  insidiously creating a populist racist programme.

Yep. She uses the word ' terrifying ' . She's right.


And apart from being racist, why on earth would you vote for a part that wants to reduce the top end tax rate. Widening the gap even more of the have and have nots. Helping the fat cats and tax avoidance merchants who are costing this country £billions. But ignoring that, and blaming instead immigrants ! Unbelievable.

Facts i am not supportive of Ukip at all, but the EU subject needs to open up. Also i understand the media propaganda being played here.

Interesting that the Westminster cartel have all linked arms to throw mud at Ukip without rational debate. This is where people should be focusing their frustration.

A shocking revelation on the front page of the Daily Express today:"Migrants do take British jobs" it claims. An "official report now confirms what the Daily Express has said all along" apparently. In a commentary in the paper, we are told "it seems almost self-evident that a huge influx of migrant labour to any country would damage the job prospects of the native workforce". A victory for common sense then – keep immigrants out and reduce unemployment. Except that the report doesn't really say that at all – and even if it did, the effect is so weak as to be worth completely ignoring.
The Express is right – the report does say that some British workers may have been "displaced" by the effects of immigration. But the idea that immigration is responsible for high unemployment is ludicrous. Here's what the Migration Advisory Committee goes on to say:
But this possible displacement of British workers only holds for those migrants who have been here for under five years. Both EU and non-EU migrants who have been in the UK for over five years are not associated with displacement of British born workers. Between 1995 and 2010 employment of such working age migrants rose by approximately 2.1 million. The associated displacement of British born workers was, on our own calculations, around 160,000 of the additional 2.1 jobs held by migrants, or about 1 in 13.
So on average, it takes 13 immigrants to "displace" one British job – not exactly the "common sense" conclusion. Moreover, those immigrants who do "take" British jobs are temporary, non-EU workers – many are young Australians, Canadians and so on with working holiday visas, rather than Polish plumbers. It's an obvious point, but those immigration rights tend to be reciprocal so British workers have equal rights to work abroad. Blocking non-EU temporary workers probably wouldn't cut unemployment at all, since it would reduce options open for emigration to British workers. And at a rate of 13 jobs created for every one lost, that's an awful lot of tax revenue to forgo for the sake of one job.
The fact is, no matter what pressure groups like Migration Watch and newspapers like the Express like to assert, there is simply no economic case to be made against immigration. In fact, it's the very opposite: by widening our opportunities, the free movement of labour makes us on average, much wealthier and the world a more interesting, happier place. I would also add that even if we accept the curiously nationalist decision of the Migration Advisory Committee to only consider the welfare of existing residents, then a much better solution is to auction off work permits, instead of cutting the number.

Too true Facts.
What is also ignored is that immigrants are statistically far more likely to start new businesses and employ people than their British counterparts.

I had three Kurdish workers back in 2008. Within 3 years they saved enough, clubbed together and started a completely different business. Last year they took over their main competitors. Then there are all those Asians who have bought into convenience store franchises employing lots of local young people and housewives.
There are the 100's of thousands of foreign owned restaurants- Italian, Indian, French, Thai etc. That employ and add greatly to the economy. I went for a meal to a Thai restaurant recently and was surprised to find all the bar staff and waiting staff were young Brits bar 3.

There is the Boston farmer who told Benjamin Zephaniah that he couldn't get local workers and even his own family weren't interested and would have had to close had it not been for EU immigrants.

That's why IMMIGRATION IS A NET FISCAL POSITIVE to the UK economy.

Tightened regulation of non EU applicants to the UK has seen numbers of fee paying students drop to a level that is damaging our Universities. It is foreign fee paying students who have been keeping the home 'pay when you get a job' students afloat.

Of course all this is ignored by the xenophobes.

Labour haven't announced their 2015 manifesto, in fact no party has.

What Labour spokes people say in the current xenophobic atmosphere whipped up by the Daily Hell, Express, Telegraph, Sun and UKip & the BNP. Is simply a way to placate the xenophobes, shut them up and kill the criticism.
Only strong union representation can protect workers interests and Labour should in that regard concentrate on reversing some of the Thatcher anti-union legislation of the 80's.

Every Scot, Welsh & Irishman has always had the right to come here and on your reckoning take English jobs. This would not be one of the worlds richest and developed nations had they not. Now there simply aren't enough and the introduction of free movement of labour throughout the EU is the new and logical step that has already been taken when Major CONSERVATIVE signed the Maastricht Treaty.

northernlad5
15 May 14 11:54   
There is the Boston farmer who told Benjamin Zephaniah that he couldn't get local workers and even his own family weren't interested and would have had to close had it not been for EU immigrants.

Then there is the Cambridgeshire farmer
who was on the BBC programme which involved getting a group of unemployed people from Wisbech Jobcentre to go asparagus picking.

He moaned that he had to pay them minimum wage and that the eastern europeans worked harder.

What him and the BBC both failed to mention is that the asparagus picking 'season' is only a few weeks long, and after that, ALL his labour, eastern european and local, were back at the Jobcentre claiming JSA.

Why didn't the BBC ask him how he kept the farm going BEFORE the eastern europans got here.

And what the farmer, whose name was Victor, never disclosed, was that his farm had run perfectly for well over half a century with local labour.

But of course he couldn't say that.

In the days before minimum wage, he was paying them all the local labourers cheaply, cash in hand, and letting them go into town to sign on for their JSA.

If the locals weren't willing to work for crap wages and sign on for JSA, he would have had no farm to let the eastern europeans come and work on.

northernmoron

How could I make up the fact that his farm has been there for over 50 years?

How could I make up the fact that his farm worked well for over 50 years, manned by all local labour?

How could I make up the fact that his farm wouldn't be be there if it wasn't for the aforementioned local labour?

I'm not Larry, you're not sane.
Mind you, the fake major Menelaus, thinks that 'bbc's embarrassed dad' is also one of EOs aliases.

Don't you think it's hilarious that 'bbc's embarrassed dad' happens to be your alias?

Even your only mate on here has no idea what's going on between you.

What a pair of clowns you two are.

northernlad aka bbc'e embarrassed dad

seek psychiatric help.

Labour haven't announced their 2015 manifesto

Labour will NOT win the General Election if they NOW back out of limiting immigration from NON EU Countries.

Are you suggesting Miliband has not been recommending this? I thought that you was a member of the Labour Party?

2. Options here MLad.

1)Labour would not limit Immigration from anywhere.( Tory majority in the 2015 GE )
2)Labour limit immigration from NON EU countries.

There is no 3rd option because you can not limit immigration from EU countries.

Miliband has been telling us that OPTION 2 is needed. So don`t tell lies about what will be in the manifesto.

You also know that whether or not Labour succeed in controlling immigration from outside the EU. What will be in the manifesto discriminates against NON EU people including the African and Asians.

Wrong again.

Curbs on non-EU immigration will be a key priority for an incoming Labour government, Ed Miliband has told the BBC's Andrew Marr show.

The Labour leader outlined plans to reduce the number of low-skilled migrants coming to Britain.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24193771

Well you might as well forget the opinion polls then...because this is one of the key issues that is putting Labour ahead of the Tories.

Without some kind of immigration control promise Labour are toast.

they're toast anyway, gap down to 3 points and closing. By next May Conservatives will have a 5 point lead after a give away budget.