Mobile phones and tablets/Ipads on Flight MH370

GOOD OBSERVATION

thank you DWD (diddy dum diddy do)(i guess you don't like to use your full name for obvious reasons!!)

apart from this aspect of the mystery/tragedy being a mystery in itself - i haven't seen it raised anywhere.

did you see a thread on HR for you the other day HV - advising you of a RIP?

delta no i did not. do you know where i can find it. and you've got me worried. especially as a very great guy just passed away out here, the scottish footballer walter gerard, one of the original triumvirate of expat pros to come to HK in the early 70s.

that may have been the name   -

stand by i will find it for you...

it only makes hijacking more of a possibility , imo

they'd of taken all phones etc off people , but they've said there was no internet access & wouldn't of been any signal for mobiles anyway

in the documentary the other night they talked of certain messages still being withheld by the authorities though , and that the flight simulator (was it?) is still being decoded , but could take months !

Delta - yes it was Big Walter. One of the legends of HK. And I don't use the word lightly.

McM - i can't believe the hijackers could take everyone's phones before some transmitted messages.

i also do not believe there would be no internet access or phone service. surely it is everywhere these days.

I have trouble getting a signal on the ground some times.  It must be impossible a mile up in the air and over the sea.

So if you had guns & a pound of semtex in your face , you'd just text the missus would you

They've firmly stated that there was no internet access on that plane & even if people had phones with them they wouldn't of got any kind of signal at such altitude

surely it is everywhere these days.

They were 7000 ft in the air ffs

I'm pretty sure that'd affect texts being sent too

is it possible the plane could have landed somewhere without them knowing?

It seems pointless to highjack a plane and fly it out to sea.

It could have been shot down and they're hushing it up.

I agree Doc , it does all seems a bit pointless though & not sure it was hijacked at all

It could've been shot down , they seem to be hushing a bit too much up , imo

Where would it of landed , without who knowing

Simpson Desert in Oz?....Big place...

Don't hijackers usually want people to know what they've done , for some kind of cause

Personally i don't think there was much / if any wreckage from this plane at all

and you'd have to be completely insane to knowingly fly it into the sea with everybody still alive (those pilots weren't insane)

McM - straw man old chap, of course you wouldn't text with gun in your face

but with hundreds of passengers on board, there would obviously be the opportunity for some to do so, if there were a signal

The planec was flown much higher than normal for a period of time.

This would have killed all the passengers.

The plane has been confirmed as not having a AeroMobile like system fitted. You need an internal phone system on the plane to get a signal. You aren't going to get a signal from masts 30,000 feet below you.

It all depends on where the phone is, says Marco Thompson, president of the San Diego Telecom Council. “Cell phones are not designed to work on a plane. Although they do.” The rough rule is that when the plane is slow and over a city, the phone will work up to 10,000 feet or so. “Also, it depends on how fast the plane is moving and its proximity to antennas,” Thompson says. “At 30,000 feet, it may work momentarily while near a cell site, but it’s chancy and the connection won’t last.” Also, the hand-off process from cell site to cell site is more difficult. It is created for a maximum speed of 60 mph to 100 mph. “They are not built for 400 mph airplanes.”

So once it was over the sea no more phone/wifi etc

Do planes still have those satellite phones in them? The ones you use your credit card for?

Hamsterdam - thank you very much

one other thing, what about those en route flight maps on all the entertainment screens, when the plane turned round wouldn't this have caused consternation amongst the passengers

Was it SUICIDE? Industry expert says pilot took Malaysian plane to 43,000ft and caused oxygen to run out

Was it SUICIDE? Industry expert says pilot took Malaysian plane to 43,000ft and caused oxygen to run out
Suicide has become the most likely cause of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370′s disappearance, with a senior industry source believing that the plane was deliberately flown to an extreme altitude to knock out the passengers.

Shortly after the last voice communication from the cockpit of the plane on March 8 it was tracked by military radar flying between 43,000 and 45,000 feet.

The source, who wished to remain anonymous, told MailOnline: ‘It was tracked flying at this altitude for 23 minutes before descending. Oxygen would have run out in 12 minutes, rendering the passengers unconscious.’

The source added that several other experts in the industry had come to the same conclusion.

The 777-200ER Boeing aircraft used on the ill-fated flight has a maximum service ceiling of 43,000 feet, but at this altitude where the atmosphere drastically thins it wouldn’t take long for hypoxia – a lack of oxygen – to set in.

Oxygen masks would have dropped down, but these only supply a few minutes of gas.

How do they process card payments for duty free whilst in the air?  , if there is no signal at high altitude .

Good post JML

I agree this is very likely too (just to add the cockpit is safeguarded against the oxygen loss , but passengers aren't)
They would've needed extensive knowledge (which the pilot certainly had) and also extreme nerve to carry out such a massacre , imo

If this is what happened though , would the co-pilot of been in on it as well (seems unlikely that both would've been up for it to me)

and wouldn't the co -pilot of tried to stop him

difficult to say what would of happened in such circumstances

just to add,because I know it, oxygen masks confer only 12 minutes worth of breathing time.  But, all the stuff about the thinning of the air, am I missing something, cos I thought the idea of pressurisation was that you were not exposed to conditions the other side of the airplane skin, that you existed in an environment similar to normal conditions.

Hmmm. It wouldn't have been difficult for one pilot to take sole control of the cockpit. One or two blows from a hammer or similar. I don't think they still have the third man (flight engineer) these days.

I am not suggesting that this happened, by the way.

(and sorry but I have to :"and wouldn't the co -pilot of tried to stop him".  Have, not of.  It sounds right when you say it - do it myself - but it looks wrong when it's written)

The reason for pressurising the cabin is because the air becomes thinner at altitude and, although it still contains 20% oxygen there is much less air and, therefore, much less oxygen in every breath that you take. You simply fall asleep.

The pilot could have lowered the cabin pressure manually. It has happened before. Helios flight. Fighter jets flying alongside reported all passengers and crew appeared to be asleep.
One guy DID wave to them from the cockpit...turned out he was one of the stewards who had used a mobile oxygen mask that are available to the cabin crew so that they can remain mobile if needed.
It fle into a mountain, I believe.

*It flew*

This is a betting Forum

If you want to show off your superior English skills then why not f00k 0ff to a sad Egghead Forum or summit where people may actually take the slightest bit of notice of you !

are you as good at Numbers games ... let's play one of them instead

^ What a perverse - inconsiderate, and lacking in intellect post ...

- Given the thread subject.

Why don't you take your own 'advice'.

In the Helios flight it was the ground engineer which changed the pressurisation system to manual,and forgot to change it back to auto.


The pilot of MH 370 could have thought of a way to get the other pilot to leave the cockpit and then locked him out.

Or he could have just waited for him to use the toilets which were situated outside the secure cockpit area.

Could it have been those Uigar Muslims? They are clearly looking to take it to China after that knife atack recently. Maybe they wanted to do a copycat 9/11. Maybe the Chinese could have got wind of this and shot it down somewhere in order to prevent it?

Here is some interesting words on Terrorism perpertrated by the Uigars in China. Some of it pre 9/11 as well.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=BqkAgpmI91UC&pg=PA92&dq=uyghur+soviet+1921+tashkent&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

they need to put something in these planes that cost $200 million that can track them down no matter what.

Why don't you take your own 'advice'.

If that's what You want , then i will , better things to do than be picked up by petty Pr1cks on here after 14 years on these forums so may as well just make you all happy & get lost for good !

Trying to put the few facts there is into context is very difficult because so little evidence to support any of the theories.  Unless they are holding something back and already know a lot more.

Suicide is very taboo in Malay culture, and IF it was pilot suicide a vanishing act would be the way to do it.

Maybe the Chinese could have got wind of this and shot it down somewhere in order to prevent it?

Interesting theory but surely US / Russian / Japanese military would be on top of any suspicious chinese military movement in that part of the world or am I watching far too much telly.?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/21/what-happened-to-flight-mh370-missing-plane


This is one of the better articles  I've read on the subject....suggests that the altitude wouldn't be an issue and also makes it clear that virtually impossible for one man to isolate himself in the flight deck. Curiouser and curiouser

bermuda triangle?

i'd like to add to the post above about the chinese militants from the muslim area

the chinese govt has gone through everyone of their nationals who was a passenger and said they found nothing suspicious.

JML. Yes. The cabin pressure switch should NOT have been left at 'manual' by the ground-crew. That was the start of the problem but it should have been picked up by the pilots because it's part of the pre-flight schedule of checks that they must go through. Obviously, they were ill-disciplined and one, or both, of the pilots assumed that everything was 'as it always is'. It's one of those jobs where you must NEVER assume.

for those who were patronizing about this mobile phone inquiry, i guess you have seen the news about the co-pilot and his mobile phone trying to make a call as they returned and flew low over penang.

"A 'reattachment' does not necessarily mean that a call was made. It can also be the result of the phone being switched on again."

Wonder if they know it was definitely switched off, or just came back into the range of the tower, when flying low

The whole thing stinks, someone somewhere is praying the black boxes are never recovered.

Happy if you mean me , read back i wasn't Patronizing , just trying to tell you he'd of got no signal , which explains his missed call (no call has been reported)

But what Is interesting now is the fact that there were 20 Electrical Warfare Engineers All from the Same Firm on Board

Not many people know this , just imagine what they were capable of , they could of taken control like it was a giant Toy

Only explanation is that they don't want it to be found..

oldie