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02 Apr 14
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in all the coverage over the last few weeks i have not heard a word about messages or texts from passengers to loved ones - yet the flight flew on for some hours. Isn't this strange and doesn't it rule out hijacking? What it does imply, I'm not sure.
Interested in any views on this particular aspect of this tragedy and mystery. Thank you.
Interested in any views on this particular aspect of this tragedy and mystery. Thank you.
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GOOD OBSERVATION
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thank you DWD (diddy dum diddy do)(i guess you don't like to use your full name for obvious reasons!!)
apart from this aspect of the mystery/tragedy being a mystery in itself - i haven't seen it raised anywhere. |
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did you see a thread on HR for you the other day HV - advising you of a RIP?
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delta no i did not. do you know where i can find it. and you've got me worried. especially as a very great guy just passed away out here, the scottish footballer walter gerard, one of the original triumvirate of expat pros to come to HK in the early 70s.
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that may have been the name -
stand by i will find it for you... |
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it only makes hijacking more of a possibility , imo
they'd of taken all phones etc off people , but they've said there was no internet access & wouldn't of been any signal for mobiles anyway |
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in the documentary the other night they talked of certain messages still being withheld by the authorities though , and that the flight simulator (was it?) is still being decoded , but could take months !
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Delta - yes it was Big Walter. One of the legends of HK. And I don't use the word lightly.
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McM - i can't believe the hijackers could take everyone's phones before some transmitted messages.
i also do not believe there would be no internet access or phone service. surely it is everywhere these days. |
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I have trouble getting a signal on the ground some times. It must be impossible a mile up in the air and over the sea.
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So if you had guns & a pound of semtex in your face , you'd just text the missus would you
 They've firmly stated that there was no internet access on that plane & even if people had phones with them they wouldn't of got any kind of signal at such altitude surely it is everywhere these days. They were 7000 ft in the air ffs I'm pretty sure that'd affect texts being sent too |
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is it possible the plane could have landed somewhere without them knowing?
It seems pointless to highjack a plane and fly it out to sea. It could have been shot down and they're hushing it up. |
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I agree Doc , it does all seems a bit pointless though & not sure it was hijacked at all
It could've been shot down , they seem to be hushing a bit too much up , imo Where would it of landed , without who knowing |
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Simpson Desert in Oz?....Big place...
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Don't hijackers usually want people to know what they've done , for some kind of cause
Personally i don't think there was much / if any wreckage from this plane at all and you'd have to be completely insane to knowingly fly it into the sea with everybody still alive (those pilots weren't insane) |
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McM - straw man old chap, of course you wouldn't text with gun in your face
but with hundreds of passengers on board, there would obviously be the opportunity for some to do so, if there were a signal |
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The planec was flown much higher than normal for a period of time.
This would have killed all the passengers. |
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The plane has been confirmed as not having a AeroMobile like system fitted. You need an internal phone system on the plane to get a signal. You aren't going to get a signal from masts 30,000 feet below you.
It all depends on where the phone is, says Marco Thompson, president of the San Diego Telecom Council. “Cell phones are not designed to work on a plane. Although they do.” The rough rule is that when the plane is slow and over a city, the phone will work up to 10,000 feet or so. “Also, it depends on how fast the plane is moving and its proximity to antennas,” Thompson says. “At 30,000 feet, it may work momentarily while near a cell site, but it’s chancy and the connection won’t last.” Also, the hand-off process from cell site to cell site is more difficult. It is created for a maximum speed of 60 mph to 100 mph. “They are not built for 400 mph airplanes.” |
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So once it was over the sea no more phone/wifi etc
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Do planes still have those satellite phones in them? The ones you use your credit card for?
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Hamsterdam - thank you very much
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one other thing, what about those en route flight maps on all the entertainment screens, when the plane turned round wouldn't this have caused consternation amongst the passengers
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Was it SUICIDE? Industry expert says pilot took Malaysian plane to 43,000ft and caused oxygen to run out
Was it SUICIDE? Industry expert says pilot took Malaysian plane to 43,000ft and caused oxygen to run out Suicide has become the most likely cause of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370′s disappearance, with a senior industry source believing that the plane was deliberately flown to an extreme altitude to knock out the passengers. Shortly after the last voice communication from the cockpit of the plane on March 8 it was tracked by military radar flying between 43,000 and 45,000 feet. The source, who wished to remain anonymous, told MailOnline: ‘It was tracked flying at this altitude for 23 minutes before descending. Oxygen would have run out in 12 minutes, rendering the passengers unconscious.’ The source added that several other experts in the industry had come to the same conclusion. The 777-200ER Boeing aircraft used on the ill-fated flight has a maximum service ceiling of 43,000 feet, but at this altitude where the atmosphere drastically thins it wouldn’t take long for hypoxia – a lack of oxygen – to set in. Oxygen masks would have dropped down, but these only supply a few minutes of gas. |
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How do they process card payments for duty free whilst in the air? , if there is no signal at high altitude .
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Good post JML
I agree this is very likely too (just to add the cockpit is safeguarded against the oxygen loss , but passengers aren't) They would've needed extensive knowledge (which the pilot certainly had) and also extreme nerve to carry out such a massacre , imo If this is what happened though , would the co-pilot of been in on it as well (seems unlikely that both would've been up for it to me) and wouldn't the co -pilot of tried to stop him difficult to say what would of happened in such circumstances |
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just to add,because I know it, oxygen masks confer only 12 minutes worth of breathing time. But, all the stuff about the thinning of the air, am I missing something, cos I thought the idea of pressurisation was that you were not exposed to conditions the other side of the airplane skin, that you existed in an environment similar to normal conditions.
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Hmmm. It wouldn't have been difficult for one pilot to take sole control of the cockpit. One or two blows from a hammer or similar. I don't think they still have the third man (flight engineer) these days.
I am not suggesting that this happened, by the way. |
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(and sorry but I have to :"and wouldn't the co -pilot of tried to stop him". Have, not of. It sounds right when you say it - do it myself - but it looks wrong when it's written)
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The reason for pressurising the cabin is because the air becomes thinner at altitude and, although it still contains 20% oxygen there is much less air and, therefore, much less oxygen in every breath that you take. You simply fall asleep.
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The pilot could have lowered the cabin pressure manually. It has happened before. Helios flight. Fighter jets flying alongside reported all passengers and crew appeared to be asleep.
One guy DID wave to them from the cockpit...turned out he was one of the stewards who had used a mobile oxygen mask that are available to the cabin crew so that they can remain mobile if needed. It fle into a mountain, I believe. |
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*It flew*
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This is a betting Forum
If you want to show off your superior English skills then why not f00k 0ff to a sad Egghead Forum or summit where people may actually take the slightest bit of notice of you ! |
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are you as good at Numbers games ... let's play one of them instead
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^ What a perverse - inconsiderate, and lacking in intellect post ...
- Given the thread subject. Why don't you take your own 'advice'. |
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In the Helios flight it was the ground engineer which changed the pressurisation system to manual,and forgot to change it back to auto.
The pilot of MH 370 could have thought of a way to get the other pilot to leave the cockpit and then locked him out. Or he could have just waited for him to use the toilets which were situated outside the secure cockpit area. |
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Could it have been those Uigar Muslims? They are clearly looking to take it to China after that knife atack recently. Maybe they wanted to do a copycat 9/11. Maybe the Chinese could have got wind of this and shot it down somewhere in order to prevent it?
Here is some interesting words on Terrorism perpertrated by the Uigars in China. Some of it pre 9/11 as well. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=BqkAgpmI91UC&pg=PA92&dq=uyghur+soviet+1921+tashkent&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false |
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they need to put something in these planes that cost $200 million that can track them down no matter what.
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Why don't you take your own 'advice'.
If that's what You want , then i will , better things to do than be picked up by petty Pr1cks on here after 14 years on these forums so may as well just make you all happy & get lost for good ! |
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Trying to put the few facts there is into context is very difficult because so little evidence to support any of the theories. Unless they are holding something back and already know a lot more.
Suicide is very taboo in Malay culture, and IF it was pilot suicide a vanishing act would be the way to do it. |