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North Korea the weird looking neighbour with the strange haircut
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I'd be fairly sure no matter what they turned off, the plane would be still visible to military radar. It would seem a big oversight on the part of the aviation industry if flicking a switch would hide the plane to all the radar in the world. If that is the case, it seems remarkably easy to steal a whole jetliner.
If plane exploded mid-air the remains of the plane might be spread over a wide area but it's also in a lot of small pieces. I'm guessing parts that survived the initial explosion might disintegrate further as they plummet towards the sea. Also currents in the sea to take into account. Also last known location I believe is 35,000ft above ground. Also military radar reporting the plane 'might' have turned around. I'm guessing that's the plane falling to the sea in several pieces. |
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But if it plunged down into the ocean intact would it have broke up when it hit the water, or would the whole plane have just gone straight to the bottom without breaking up ?
Mate, it would have smashed to pieces as soon as the plane hit the sea, tiny little pieces especially falling from 30,000 feet. There maybe a very small possibility of a failed Hudson River type landing minimising any breakup then the plane sinking relatively intact. Were talking long odds here though I can't think of any previous examples of this happening. As for North Korea taking it out LOL they don't have the capability to hit a moving object flying at 30,0000 feet. I think China would be well aware if they did anything to do with it. I get the impression the Malaysian authorities are quite incompetent and are looking in the wrong place. |
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Most likely been looking in the right place I think too.
Also if it's terrorist related, looks like a solo mission or semi-solo. Otherwise a group would be claiming responsibility I would think ! You do get the odd maniac intelligent enough to pull off something like this with limited resources, e.g. Norway island attacks, Boston marathon bombers eluded police for a few days. |
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Iranian "Mr Ali" purchased the two stolen passport passenger tickets for his "friends" one of them possibly African. CNN.
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I think the search effort just hasnt found the right location yet, simple as that. They will....and soon. Remember the Air France flight debris from 2009 wasn't found for at least 48 hours.
I would favour the theory that the plane impacted the water intact and didnt break up in the air. The wreckage would be spread over a wide area if it had broke apart at 35,000 feet yet if it impacted water intact then the debris field would be a lot tighter, but obviously growing due to flow of water. Remember the Air France pilots had a full 5 minutes wrestling with their problem and never issued a mayday although im not sure if they were in a radio blackspot as some area's of the world have no 'coverage'. Is this also the case here possibly? How close exactly was the flight to the coast does anyone know? Are they looking in the sea when its possibly crashed on land? I wouldnt put two much weight into the terrorist/hijack thing yet either. I would imagine the use of false passports is fairly common especially in the types of countries involved here. Also, could these guys have got a bomb onboard? Its incredibly difficult to do so in the modern world. As for hijack, shouldnt the cockpit doors be locked or is this just a western thing? |
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it was only 45 mins into the flight so 300 odd miles from KL. hard to see why they're making such a meal of locating it
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jimmy, they were approx. half way between Malaysia and Vietnam, maybe 200 miles ish either way, I'd imagine no issue with radio blackout and they could have used a transponder in addition to the radio but supposedly used neither
that said if this had been an airbus lost I reckon they'd already be pondering if it were the same problem as the air france loss |
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sorry mafe posted before me
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http://www.antaranews.com/en/news/93095/austrian-foreign-ministry-confirms-man-on-malaysian-plane-passenger-list-had-passport-stolen
The Austrian Foreign Ministry confirmed that the 61-year-old Austrian man who was listed on the missing Malaysian Airlines plane was not on board of the MH 370 flight, but his passport was reported stolen in Thailand. But the passport used of the Austrian had an age of 30? |
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Mario Balotelli
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Why always him
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I heard on Radio Four news @ 4pm this afternoon a finger being pointed at Iran.
No confirmation on later news ... It seems our hopes rest on the plane being hijacked and flown under radar. |
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Maybe the other black guy looked like Iran Barkley.
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Not sure the finger was being pointed at Iran, just that an Iranian guy had bought tickets for the 2 passengers travelling with the stolen passports. But the place where he bought the tickets said he's bought loads over the past couple of years so it looks like he's just into people trafficking rather than terrorism.
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It seems our hopes rest on the plane being hijacked and flown under radar.
The general rule is that the pilots have a code to input if terrorists attempt to break into the flight deck. I suppose a terrorist could act quickly without warning to prevent the pilots inputting the code. It is certainly a bit wacky that there is zero information or knowledge as to where the plane has gone. |
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10011001 - thought the spy satellites were observing all da planet. especially eastern places of interest. shirley they can rewind the Hard disc and find out were it went. Unless the spy satellites don't exist and they is bull**** all the way to de banque. resolution is one metre per pixel but should be enuff to spot a plane. Watched click online about google maps, how they overlap plane photos with orbital maps from space.
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I do hope they have been taken by aliens and the plane suddenly turns up at JFK airport all intact with all on board...............how cool would that be?
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Airfrance 447 a few years back was kinda similar and it was days before anything was found ,then they got a body or two and after a while the black boxes were located but took 2 years to find out and release the info of what happened ,that plane was in 9k foot of water .My info is that the seas in the area of this one are nothing like as deep and might actually not be deep enough to enable sub search .Plane turned back imo and it looks like the best equipped ships are now searching in the Malacca Strait which is no where near the area flight was last seen on radar .Two seperate people have reported lights in the sky low and descending and it appears there has prob been a bit of misinformation put out for some reason ,international waters and airspace make it a mish mash of Countries/authorities involved and they wont really be speaking to each other and coordinating properly imo .All it will take is a small amount of floatsome to be found and the tidal movements will be back tracked and they will locate ,that is if the plane has indeed crash landed at sea in a fairly intact condition and then sunk quickly which looks the case .The fact it is mostly Chinese nationals involved makes it a fairly prickly issue and no doubt little info is being released until they have the details .A lot of Chinese American IBM workers on board .They will get to the bottom of it ,the black boxes put out a good signal for 30 days ,think there is water beacons combined in the black boxes (which float) and once immersed in water they auto trigger and send out a signal which is usually picked up fairly quickly ,it appears there was no bad weather (which was responsible for the airfrance 447 ) so all in all strange but not unique.All will hopefully be revealed and soon.Agree the superpowers military know whats happened here .What has not been mentioned is what if any cargo was on board ?
All will be revealed in due course imo .typical air accident report takes 18 months or so . |
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I agree with David
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Has anyone considered alien abduction?
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yes.me
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there is a report now saying that that area is poor for communication, i'm surprised over that distance, so maybe they did try and report the problem by radio, still wouldn't answer them not using a transponder which would have been seen on the radar as an emergency, which means it was either very quick or the crew were not in control
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fieldhand saw a red glow at night over land,fisherman saw low flying plane
chris can I have 50/50 |
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One report this morning claims Smartphones of the missing are still ringing.
As many as 19 families of missing passengers have claimed to be connected - and the airline says they have rung crew's phones. If that report is right and the phones are ringing but not being answered that is even more strange, because surely they could track the signals (?). And even the black boxes fitted on planes can send radio beacons for up to 30 days that can be picked up on radar. With all this technology today it is unbelievable how a huge plane and over 200 passengers can just go missing like that. |
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Surely the science of triangulation is not beyond the wit of the Malaysian authorities ... having said that these people are clutching at every straw going in the the hopes their loved ones are still alive and may not be the most reliable of sources
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those spies in space will know wots wot but prob need to keep it under their hat...............
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a bobble fitted to every plane
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The Malaysians did say that they have radar reports of it changing course, possibly trying to turn back towards Malaysia, which makes it sound like the disappearance wasn't quite as sudden as initial news reports would have us to believe.
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I'm not having this mobile phone thing. So we're expected to believe that 19 phones still have battery life after THREE days! Really? And assuming the plane has either crashed and caught fire or disintegrated and ended up in the water, would even 1 phone survive that, never mind 19?
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it's been stolen
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They were not iPhones for sure
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Exactly, i'm lucky if my iphone battery lasts more than 12 hours and it struggles to get reception in my kitchen. I can't imagine it'd be much good off the coast of Malaysia after 3-4 days.
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Main headline on bbc scotland site is "Evidence suggests Iran not Libya ordered the Lockerbie bombing".
However the two iranians on this plane don't have any terrorist links. |
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Seems it's possible to hear rings without the call actually being received. If it had gone down in the Strait of Malacca then you'd expect a ship to have come across something by now. Bizarre
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Qantas Pilot Gripe sheet
(P = The problem logged by the pilot.) (S = The solution and action taken by the engineers.) P: Left inside main tyre almost needs replacing. S: Almost replaced left inside main tyre. P: Test flight OK, except auto-land very rough. S: Auto-land not installed on this aircraft. P: Something loose in cockpit. S: Something tightened in cockpit. P: Dead bugs on windshield. S: Live bugs on backorder. P: Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200 feet per minute descent. S: Cannot reproduce problem on ground. P: Evidence of leak on right main landing gear. S: Evidence removed. P: DME volume unbelievably loud. S: DME volume set to believable level. P: Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick. S: That's what they're there for. P: IFF inoperative. S: IFF always inoperative in OFF mode. P: Suspected crack in windshield. S: Suspect you're right. P: Number 3 engine missing. S: Engine found on right wing after brief search. P: Aircraft handles oddly. S: Aircraft warned to straighten up, fly right, and be serious. P: Target radar hums. S: Reprogrammed target radar with lyrics. P: Mouse in cockpit. S: Cat installed. |
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brilliant
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The Malaysian authorities haven't got a clue, look at the pictures released in the link of the 2 men travelling on fake passports, they've got the same legs and feet in each photo!!
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