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SqueezeFirmly
11 Jun 13 14:29
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Fiyaz Mughal runs a project called Tell Mama, which receives £214,000 a year from the Government to monitor anti-Muslim attacks in Britain. In the wake of Drummer Lee Rigby’s murder, he has been understandably busy.

There has, said Mr Mughal, been “a wave of attacks, harassment, and hate-filled speech against Muslims … an unprecedented number of incidents”, including “a rise in street harassment of Muslims – unprovoked, opportunistic attacks from strangers as Muslims go about their lives”.

He added: “Over the past week or so, these sorts of hate crimes have noticeably increased in number and, in many instances, become more extreme.

"The scale of the backlash is astounding … there has been a massive spike in anti-Muslim prejudice. A sense of endemic fear has gripped Muslim communities.”

The media, especially the BBC, have accepted the claims without question. A presenter on Radio 4’s influential Today programme stated that attacks on Muslims were now “on a very serious scale”.

Talk of a “massive anti-Muslim backlash” has become routine. And it is that figure issued by Tell Mama – of, to date, 212 “anti-Muslim incidents” since the Woolwich murder – which has formed the basis of nearly all this reporting.

Mr Mughal is in no doubt what lies behind it all. As he told a newspaper: “I do not see an end to this cycle of violence. There is an underlying Islamophobia in our society and the horrendous events in Woolwich have brought this to the fore.”

And as he put it on Today, “the [Government’s] Prevent [anti-extremism] agenda, the extremist agenda, have not been good for building confidence – the sense of fear just alienates and isolates communities.”

Yet the unending “cycle of violence” against Muslims, the unprecedented “wave of attacks” against them from strangers in the street, the “underlying Islamophobia in our society” – all turn out to be yet more things we thought we knew about Woolwich that are not really supported by the evidence.

Tell Mama confirmed to The Sunday Telegraph that about 120 of its 212 “anti-Muslim incidents” – 57 per cent – took place only online. They were offensive postings on Twitter or Facebook, or comments on blogs: nasty and undesirable, certainly, but some way from violence or physical harm and often, indeed, legal. Not all the offending tweets and postings, it turns out, even originated in Britain.

Tell Mama has no written definition of what it classes as an anti-Muslim incident, but has in the past adopted a wide definition. Last November, the cross-bench Asian peer, Baroness Flather, told a newspaper it was “pointless for the Conservatives to chase Muslim votes.

They are all on benefits and all vote Labour”. Tell Mama added this admittedly crass and untrue remark to its database as an “anti-Muslim incident,” though it said it had deleted it following an explanation from Lady Flather.

Although the service says its caseworkers “carefully handle each report as it comes in, to determine whether it can be verified and justified as an anti-Muslim incident”, Mr Mughal admitted that a further 35 of the 212 post-Woolwich incidents, or 16 per cent, had yet to be verified.

He justified publishing the figure, however, saying he expected that all but a handful of incidents would be verified.

Fewer than one in 12 of the 212 “incidents” reported to Tell Mama since Woolwich – 17 cases (8 per cent) – involved individuals being physically targeted.

Six people had things thrown at them, said Mr Mughal, and most of the other 11 cases were attempts to pull off the hijab or other items of Islamic dress.

Without in any way denying the distress and harm caused by such attacks, they do stand at the lower levels of seriousness.

Seventeen is still likely, of course, to underestimate the total number of attacks. The Metropolitan Police, the only major force in Britain which breaks down “offences with an Islamophobic flag”, said there were 13 allegations of common or racially aggravated assault of Muslims reported to it in London in the week after the killing.

About 40 per cent of Britain’s 2.7 million Muslims live in the capital, so the national figure could be around 32 cases, or about one Muslim in every 100,000.

Offences of common and racially aggravated assault are typically used where there has been no injury, such as hijab snatching, or minor injury not drawing blood or requiring medical treatment, such as the throwing incidents reported by Tell Mama. The Met said there were no cases reported to it where any more serious injury resulted.

Asking other police forces and trawling local media reports, The Telegraph has been unable to find a single confirmed case since Drummer Rigby’s death where any individual Muslim has received an injury requiring medical treatment.

Tell Mama’s Twitter feed reported one such incident, of a Muslim woman “knocked unconscious” in Bolton, but the local police said they had no knowledge of this and did not believe it happened.

It is unlikely, though not impossible, that any case of serious injury could have escaped the notice of the media or police.

Perhaps the most serious manifestation of anti-Muslim feeling after the killing was a number of attacks on mosques. These are believed to total 11, though here again evidence for a “wave of violence” is lacking.

With only two exceptions, a mosque in Grimsby into which firebombs were thrown and another one in Essex where a man entered with a knife, all the incidents were relatively minor, such as window-breaking or graffiti.

According to the Charity Commission, there are between 1,100 and 1,500 mosques in the UK, so the number attacked is less than 1 per cent.

Two other sets of figures are available. According to the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), forces nationally reported 71 anti-Muslim hate crimes or “incidents of note” to the National Community Tensions Team in the week after the murder of Drummer Rigby.

“That would cover everything they feel has a link to Woolwich, though an incident of note would not necessarily be a crime,” said a spokesman.

The second set of figures is from True Vision, an online hate-crime reporting tool operated by Acpo. There were 136 reports of anti-Muslim activity – internet or physical – received via this website in the week after Woolwich, overwhelmingly in the first few days, though Acpo said that not all were crimes and some reports were duplicates.

As for the claim that there is “no end” to the cycle of anti-Muslim activity, it has substantially ended already. According to police, there was a sharp spike in reported incidents in the day or so after the killing, but they have already subsided to pre-Woolwich levels. Acpo said that by last Wednesday, a week after the murder, the number of incidents reported to True Vision had fallen back to four a day.

The claim that the spike and numbers were “unprecedented” is wrong, too. After the 7/7 attacks in London – admittedly more serious than the killing of Drummer Rigby – there was a far bigger and more prolonged rise in faith-hate crimes. According to the Met, 269 were recorded in London alone in the three weeks after the 2005 attacks, compared with 40 for the same period the year before.

What the data broadly show, in short, is that Drummer Rigby’s killers have failed. The breakdown in community relations has not come. There has been a rise in incidents, but it appears to be very short-term, overwhelmingly non-violent and even then almost entirely at the lower end of the scale.

Yet this is not a message the Islamophobia industry wants heard, now or ever. Two months before the Woolwich killing, Tell Mama was already claiming that anti-Muslim incidents were “rising”, on the basis of reports made to its service. But at that point it had only been going for a year, so it had no previous figures to compare.

In 2010 a report for the Islamist Cordoba Foundation, described by David Cameron as a “political front for the Muslim Brotherhood”, said there was already what it called a wave of “terrorism” against British Muslims, with an “alarming rise” in hatred of Islam.

What evidence there is simply does not support the claims. There is anti-Muslim hatred in Britain, and it is disgraceful. But nearly all the evidence shows it is diminishing. In 2009 there were 368 anti-Muslim crimes in London; in 2012, there were 337. In the first 11 weeks of 2013, there were 64 crimes, equating at that point to 303 across the year, though the Woolwich attack will drive that up.

Hate crime in London’s main Muslim area, Tower Hamlets, has dropped by almost half since 2003 (though it rose slightly this year). Outside London, faith-hate crimes reported to the main forces with big Muslim populations – West Midlands, Greater Manchester and West Yorkshire – have fallen, too.

Broader political developments suggest a country increasingly at ease with Muslims. In 2009 the main anti-Islamic party, the BNP, had 55 councillors. Now it has two. The number of Muslim MPs doubled at the last election, some elected for entirely non-Muslim seats such as Bromsgrove, Gillingham, or Stratford-upon-Avon with no backlash whatever.

Continental campaigns to ban minarets and the niqab have gained absolutely no political traction in Britain.

Opinion polls after the Woolwich attack showed rising positive sentiment about Muslims – though, as with so many of these exercises, the answers can depend on the questions you ask.

Yet broader politics are also driving the Islamophobia industry.

For Islamists such as the Cordoba Foundation, the narrative of British Muslims under attack, increasingly hated and feared by their fellow citizens, is essential for recruitment, and for furthering their central lie that different races and faiths cannot coexist.

“Islamophobic” is also a handy charge to throw at anyone who questions Islamist ideology.

Tell Mama is not Islamist, though Mr Mughal has written in the Cordoba Foundation’s journal (he says it was a “mistake” which he will not repeat).

But part of its motivation appears to be an attempt to draw some of the sting from Islamist terrorism by equating it with the work of anti-Muslim extremist groups such as the English Defence League.

As Tell Mama’s Twitter feed puts it, “whilst we need to tackle the narrative of hate inspired by al-Qaeda, we also need to tackle the thuggery and hate of the EDL”. Mr Mughal insists that “both groups are significantly problematic”.

Loathsome as the white extreme Right is, however, there is clearly no comparison. No one in Britain has been killed by the EDL; 53 people have been killed by Islamist terrorists. White racists, unlike their Islamist equivalents, do not control key religious institutions or have a significant presence in British universities.

Over the past decade, half a dozen or so white British Right-wingers have been convicted of possessing explosives and other weapons. But all were loners not acting in concert with any group.

In contrast, there have, over the same period, been 150 convictions for Islamist-related terrorism in the UK, many relating to serious, carefully organised, often multinational plots against specific targets involving substantial numbers of people.

For some quarters of the Islamophobia industry, it has now become Muslims who are the main victims of the Woolwich horror.

But while some innocent Muslims have of course become victims, the main victim was Drummer Lee Rigby. And in overhyping the backlash, some in the Muslim community are playing right into the hands of his killers.

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By:
Emitdeb
When: 11 Jun 13 14:37
abridged version please...

3 lines would be good...
By:
SqueezeFirmly
When: 11 Jun 13 15:03
Number of 'attacks' out of all propertion to description and reality.

120 of the 212 'attacks' were made online.

No one in Britain has been killed by the EDL.

53 people have been killed by Islamist terrorists.
By:
Steamship
When: 11 Jun 13 15:25
How many Brits were killed by Islamist terrorists  in England before we started meddling with their countries?
By:
Emitdeb
When: 11 Jun 13 15:30
^ That pre Crusades?
By:
alun2005
When: 11 Jun 13 15:36
Why on earth 200k of UK taxpayers money given to fund this project is beyond belief. The Home Office could, if requested, produce UK-wide statistics, chapter and verse about any "attacks" on Muslims, from Police data.

Memo to George Osborne : an immediate ÂŁ214k sum can be cut from Treasury outgoings.
By:
moisok
When: 11 Jun 13 16:04
ha ha ha ha ha ha  and they call me a jackbooted racist
this article is clearly an attempt by the crusaders to cover up the evil doings of the edl and the islaphobics   

or maybe it isn't  hey ho!!!
you couldnt make it up but the muslim chappie looks like he had!!!
By:
The Priest
When: 11 Jun 13 18:20
So if I go to the Gov and tell them I want ÂŁ214,000 a year to monitor anti white attacks by muslims on white people would they fund it?

A bit racist if they refuse really , to be honest I could probably find 250 cases alone on the trains every sat and through the week from places like Keighley , Bingley to Bradford Foster Square when the large gangs of asians descend , the abuse the whites get is normal for these inbreds.
By:
moisok
When: 11 Jun 13 18:43
yeah and this will be no big story - ie the equivelent of the reporting of the hundreds of islamaphobic attacks which have been planted in your minds by the bbc et al
By:
SqueezeFirmly
When: 11 Jun 13 23:39
No arguments from the 'let 'em all in lot' on here yet
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 11 Jun 13 23:42
well actually now you mention it...........
By:
tobermory
When: 12 Jun 13 02:02
good article , i did question how this report of 'the backlash' against Muslims was top of the BBC News site for more than 24hrs when it just seemed to consist of a few tweets.
By:
ebulGery
When: 12 Jun 13 02:15
How many Brits were killed by Islamist terrorists  in England before we started meddling with their countries?

good question..

probably exaggerated, although nothing like the over reaction to Lees Rigby's death

Considering the enthusiasm our government attacks Muslim countries and kills Muslims
just for being Muslims as I see it and
the continual incitement of hatred against Muslim countries and values which comes through our media
it is hardly surprises people don't like Muslims in this country

A very simple example
we defended South Korea from invasion by North Korea
America defended South Vietnam from attack by North Vietnam

We attacked Afghanistan
We attacked Iraq

am I the only one to see a subtle, although not really that that subtle, difference hereConfused
By:
Petrus Romanus
When: 12 Jun 13 02:26
At the end of the day the muzzies do things their way and we non muzzies do things our way...we think they are fkd up they think we are...the twain will never meet.
By:
ebulGery
When: 12 Jun 13 02:49
true
By:
SqueezeFirmly
When: 12 Jun 13 03:40
40% of the 2.7 muslims who live in the UK, live in London

After Bradford and Blackburn, the other half a dozen are spread out all over the place
By:
Paddy Hair
When: 12 Jun 13 05:57
"120  of the 212 "attacks" were made online "
No sympathy from me, you post on the Football Forum. You get everything you deserve.
By:
Paddy Hair
When: 12 Jun 13 06:01
Squeeze, the other half dozen are in Sunny Leicester. By the way Sunny's a guy I work with not a comment on the Weather.
By:
SqueezeFirmly
When: 12 Jun 13 12:33
Shocked
By:
yeahyeahwhatever
When: 12 Jun 13 23:41
a few days after Lee Rigby's murder there was a "manager of a mosque" being interviewd on radio 5Live and he actually said raised the point that there would be Muslim children who have to stay in over the Bank Holiday and miss their planned trips to Alton Towers because it might not be safe for them....


Yes, really.  A man has just been murdered and he raises the fact that children may have their trips to Alton Towers cancelled....   I thought it was a wind-up at first, but not a word was said by the presenter or the other guests. 

Ah, the power than being a member of a religion can bring... if only the EDL/Government could see that's where the real power they have over this country lies.  Because it's a religion we're afraid to question anything or to say no for fear of being accused of religious persecution .... 21st century and we're still kowtowing to medieval fairy stories.
By:
polybot
When: 13 Jun 13 11:46
Amazingly cowardly Yeahyeahwhatever. Too afraid to point the finger at Islam?
I suppose Islam is all about submission, so your servile and submissive willingness to apportion blame to everyone (except your own cult of course) is appropriate. Very big of you, little man.
By:
SqueezeFirmly
When: 13 Jun 13 11:48
I may be wrong, but I think you'll find that yeahyeahwhatever, is a woman.
By:
polybot
When: 13 Jun 13 11:59
Fair enough. Little woman or little girl, which do you think is appropriate?
By:
polybot
When: 13 Jun 13 12:00
I wouldn't want to offend anyone Happy
By:
moisok
When: 13 Jun 13 12:10
I get really tired of the protection that this movement is given - don't people see that it is as political as it is religious and what its aims are - or am I completely stupid - coz the evidence is in every country it touches - all the examples are there - if they don't get power through fairy story religious oppression they then attempt to get it by the bomb.
By:
ebulGery
When: 13 Jun 13 15:10
you have offended me often enough polybotLaugh
By:
yeahyeahwhatever
When: 13 Jun 13 15:27
re:Fair enough. Little woman or little girl, which do you think is appropriate?

neither, I'm a big woman.

Big enough not to walk 3 paces behind my husband.
Big enough not to have to use a special entrance in a religious building.
Big enough to hold religious office (were I stupid enough to believe in medieval fairy stories).
Big enough not to need a male chaperone when out in public.
Big enough not to have to cover my hair since the merest glimpse of it may drive men in the vicinity into bursts of uncontrollable lust.
Big enough to realise that since the beginning of time people have been gay, and that there is no more wrong with that than people being hetrosexual.

Big enough to feel sorry for you and to realise that something must have happened when you were younger to make you view women in such a negative light.
By:
moisok
When: 13 Jun 13 15:34
You bitch - you made me drop my double decker red rimmel nail varnish after reading that!!!!

he he!!!
By:
ebulGery
When: 13 Jun 13 15:39
I think the real problem is
that we have allowed, even encouraged, unfettered immigration into this country
particularly from the Indian sub continent

The culprits in this are our governments and a biased media who supported this.
When ordinary people took to the streets in the early 1950's when this started
they were branded racists and fascists..and not a lot has changed since

They have brought their religion with them , Islam. Our laws and culture allows different religions.
The only obligation we can place on them is they obey our secular law. We should never retreat on this.

It would seem pointless to me to ban all religions. Your average c/e churchgoer or Buddhist for example
are harmless souls.
Should we ban Islam, well that is a big thing. But is one solution. It may help solve our immigration
problem, those who feel they cannot change, leave our shores.
It wont happen now, but it may one day.

It is what happens when governments ignore the will of the people
we must start using referendums for all important government decisions from now on.
By:
moisok
When: 13 Jun 13 15:41
yeah thats all very well gery but what about my fkn nail varnish all over the floor!!??
By:
moisok
When: 13 Jun 13 15:45
I am like a broken record.  I worked in the midlands forty years ago, and I remember being on the top deck of a bus having come up from darn sarf - there was a black guy walking with a white girl hand in hand
I thought great - integration - this is going to be good - I have always mixed with a huge range of cultures/people all over the world - but it ain't going right at the moment - call it what you will
IT IS NOT WORKING IN SOME QUARTERS !!!
By:
ebulGery
When: 13 Jun 13 15:53
that is what Enoch Powell said Moisock.

I do not think we should be attacking Muslims in their own country,
I believe that.

But if I was in charge I would ban Islam in this country. completely
I think it is the only solution.
By:
moisok
When: 13 Jun 13 16:01
Ok  well when I have lived with muslims admittedly in their own countries, I have had nothing but charming friendly relations (don't ask he he -down bad boy!!!!)  - their lifestyle is wonderful.  The customs malay, indian, iranian, south african and chinese is absolutely charming.  Even in the UK it is fine - but what would we do with my mate - he is not religious but is classed a muslim - his wife is devout!!!  argh!!!!
By:
ebulGery
When: 13 Jun 13 16:13
tbh I have no idea Moisock

The problem is I don't think our governments have a clue what to do either.

How can they conduct foreign policies they are using
our media is consistently anti Islamic...
so logic says...we cannot allow it in our own country
anything else would be insanity

So yes we must ban Islam one day.
By:
ebulGery
When: 13 Jun 13 16:16
our government want it all ways

but being a literal minded person I cannot see how they can
By:
Angry Monkey
When: 13 Jun 13 19:23
Ayaan Hirsi Ali: The Problem of Muslim Leadership
Another Islamist terror attack, another round of assurances that it had nothing to do with the religion of peace.



Amazingly, given the litany of Islamist attacks—from the 9/11 nightmare in America and the London bombings of July 7, 2005, to the slayings at Fort Hood in Texas in 2009, at the Boston Marathon last month and now Woolwich—some continue to deny any link between Islam and terrorism.

...But I do blame Muslim leaders. It is time they came up with more credible talking points. Their communities have a serious problem. Young people, some of whom are not born into the faith, are being fired up by preachers using basic Islamic scripture and mobilized to wage jihad by radical imams who represent themselves as legitimate Muslim clergymen.

I wonder what would happen if Muslim leaders like Julie Siddiqi started a public and persistent campaign to discredit these Islamist advocates of mayhem and murder. Not just uttering the usual laments after another horrifying attack, but making a constant, high-profile effort to show the world that the preachers of hate are illegitimate. After the next zealot has killed the next victim of political Islam, claims about the "religion of peace" would ring truer.

. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323475304578503613890263762.html
By:
ebulGery
When: 13 Jun 13 20:55
All Muslims sympathise with other Muslims
as all Christians sympathise with other Christians..

no Muslim will ever attack Islam

neither does anybody differentiate between shades of Muslims

At an international level we must learn to respect them
in our own country...wellConfusedConfused

I am afraid I have told you the solution
By:
judorick
When: 13 Jun 13 21:02
complete tosh ebulgerry

the slaughter in pakistan and syria is mainly about sunni and shia killing each other
By:
boris-the-animal
When: 13 Jun 13 21:15
EbulGery

You keep saying that we must ban islam in this country as if it is something we could do without reneging all the values we pretend to stand for.

We all know political islam only has power because many young muslims in the west resent our politicians attacking their muslim brothers and helping their oppressors.

Our politicians only need to leave their countries alone and they will surely have no cause to sacrifice their lives for anymore.

Believe me all the other seemingly peaceful religions like sikhism, buddhism, judaism or hinduism will also resort to terrorism if our state were to attack their defenseless brothers abroad!!!
By:
ebulGery
When: 13 Jun 13 22:13
judorick
that is not all of it is it..otherwise why do they attack usConfused

of course Sunni and Shia kill each other
we only have to look at the history of Europe to see how enthusiastically Protestants and Catholics
killed each other..
that is a peculiar feature of religion, often different branches of religion hate each other, more than they
hate those outside of their religion

Boris
I completely agree with you..but our politicians don't seem to be able to do that, very sadly
in such an environment inevitably there will be an increasing hostility between Christians and
Muslims in our own society....so I am saying we may have to do this one day
Also the different cultures and colour of skin, cannot be simply ignored as some of our politicians
would like...it is reality. Also our own 'English' identity is in danger.

I don't know the answer...I just draw conclusions...may be right, may be wrongConfused
but I feel there is a need to change our foreign policy, that is something we could and should do!
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