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Fiyaz Mughal runs a project called Tell Mama, which receives £214,000 a year from the Government to monitor anti-Muslim attacks in Britain. In the wake of Drummer Lee Rigby’s murder, he has been understandably busy.
There has, said Mr Mughal, been “a wave of attacks, harassment, and hate-filled speech against Muslims … an unprecedented number of incidents”, including “a rise in street harassment of Muslims – unprovoked, opportunistic attacks from strangers as Muslims go about their lives”.
He added: “Over the past week or so, these sorts of hate crimes have noticeably increased in number and, in many instances, become more extreme.
"The scale of the backlash is astounding … there has been a massive spike in anti-Muslim prejudice. A sense of endemic fear has gripped Muslim communities.”
The media, especially the BBC, have accepted the claims without question. A presenter on Radio 4’s influential Today programme stated that attacks on Muslims were now “on a very serious scale”.
Talk of a “massive anti-Muslim backlash” has become routine. And it is that figure issued by Tell Mama – of, to date, 212 “anti-Muslim incidents” since the Woolwich murder – which has formed the basis of nearly all this reporting.
Mr Mughal is in no doubt what lies behind it all. As he told a newspaper: “I do not see an end to this cycle of violence. There is an underlying Islamophobia in our society and the horrendous events in Woolwich have brought this to the fore.”
And as he put it on Today, “the [Government’s] Prevent [anti-extremism] agenda, the extremist agenda, have not been good for building confidence – the sense of fear just alienates and isolates communities.”
Yet the unending “cycle of violence” against Muslims, the unprecedented “wave of attacks” against them from strangers in the street, the “underlying Islamophobia in our society” – all turn out to be yet more things we thought we knew about Woolwich that are not really supported by the evidence.
Tell Mama confirmed to The Sunday Telegraph that about 120 of its 212 “anti-Muslim incidents” – 57 per cent – took place only online. They were offensive postings on Twitter or Facebook, or comments on blogs: nasty and undesirable, certainly, but some way from violence or physical harm and often, indeed, legal. Not all the offending tweets and postings, it turns out, even originated in Britain.
Tell Mama has no written definition of what it classes as an anti-Muslim incident, but has in the past adopted a wide definition. Last November, the cross-bench Asian peer, Baroness Flather, told a newspaper it was “pointless for the Conservatives to chase Muslim votes.
They are all on benefits and all vote Labour”. Tell Mama added this admittedly crass and untrue remark to its database as an “anti-Muslim incident,” though it said it had deleted it following an explanation from Lady Flather.
Although the service says its caseworkers “carefully handle each report as it comes in, to determine whether it can be verified and justified as an anti-Muslim incident”, Mr Mughal admitted that a further 35 of the 212 post-Woolwich incidents, or 16 per cent, had yet to be verified.
He justified publishing the figure, however, saying he expected that all but a handful of incidents would be verified.
Fewer than one in 12 of the 212 “incidents” reported to Tell Mama since Woolwich – 17 cases (8 per cent) – involved individuals being physically targeted.
Six people had things thrown at them, said Mr Mughal, and most of the other 11 cases were attempts to pull off the hijab or other items of Islamic dress.
Without in any way denying the distress and harm caused by such attacks, they do stand at the lower levels of seriousness.
Seventeen is still likely, of course, to underestimate the total number of attacks. The Metropolitan Police, the only major force in Britain which breaks down “offences with an Islamophobic flag”, said there were 13 allegations of common or racially aggravated assault of Muslims reported to it in London in the week after the killing.
About 40 per cent of Britain’s 2.7 million Muslims live in the capital, so the national figure could be around 32 cases, or about one Muslim in every 100,000.
Offences of common and racially aggravated assault are typically used where there has been no injury, such as hijab snatching, or minor injury not drawing blood or requiring medical treatment, such as the throwing incidents reported by Tell Mama. The Met said there were no cases reported to it where any more serious injury resulted.
Asking other police forces and trawling local media reports, The Telegraph has been unable to find a single confirmed case since Drummer Rigby’s death where any individual Muslim has received an injury requiring medical treatment.
Tell Mama’s Twitter feed reported one such incident, of a Muslim woman “knocked unconscious” in Bolton, but the local police said they had no knowledge of this and did not believe it happened.
It is unlikely, though not impossible, that any case of serious injury could have escaped the notice of the media or police.
Perhaps the most serious manifestation of anti-Muslim feeling after the killing was a number of attacks on mosques. These are believed to total 11, though here again evidence for a “wave of violence” is lacking.
With only two exceptions, a mosque in Grimsby into which firebombs were thrown and another one in Essex where a man entered with a knife, all the incidents were relatively minor, such as window-breaking or graffiti.
According to the Charity Commission, there are between 1,100 and 1,500 mosques in the UK, so the number attacked is less than 1 per cent.
Two other sets of figures are available. According to the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), forces nationally reported 71 anti-Muslim hate crimes or “incidents of note” to the National Community Tensions Team in the week after the murder of Drummer Rigby.
“That would cover everything they feel has a link to Woolwich, though an incident of note would not necessarily be a crime,” said a spokesman.
The second set of figures is from True Vision, an online hate-crime reporting tool operated by Acpo. There were 136 reports of anti-Muslim activity – internet or physical – received via this website in the week after Woolwich, overwhelmingly in the first few days, though Acpo said that not all were crimes and some reports were duplicates.
As for the claim that there is “no end” to the cycle of anti-Muslim activity, it has substantially ended already. According to police, there was a sharp spike in reported incidents in the day or so after the killing, but they have already subsided to pre-Woolwich levels. Acpo said that by last Wednesday, a week after the murder, the number of incidents reported to True Vision had fallen back to four a day.
The claim that the spike and numbers were “unprecedented” is wrong, too. After the 7/7 attacks in London – admittedly more serious than the killing of Drummer Rigby – there was a far bigger and more prolonged rise in faith-hate crimes. According to the Met, 269 were recorded in London alone in the three weeks after the 2005 attacks, compared with 40 for the same period the year before.
What the data broadly show, in short, is that Drummer Rigby’s killers have failed. The breakdown in community relations has not come. There has been a rise in incidents, but it appears to be very short-term, overwhelmingly non-violent and even then almost entirely at the lower end of the scale.
Yet this is not a message the Islamophobia industry wants heard, now or ever. Two months before the Woolwich killing, Tell Mama was already claiming that anti-Muslim incidents were “rising”, on the basis of reports made to its service. But at that point it had only been going for a year, so it had no previous figures to compare.
In 2010 a report for the Islamist Cordoba Foundation, described by David Cameron as a “political front for the Muslim Brotherhood”, said there was already what it called a wave of “terrorism” against British Muslims, with an “alarming rise” in hatred of Islam.
What evidence there is simply does not support the claims. There is anti-Muslim hatred in Britain, and it is disgraceful. But nearly all the evidence shows it is diminishing. In 2009 there were 368 anti-Muslim crimes in London; in 2012, there were 337. In the first 11 weeks of 2013, there were 64 crimes, equating at that point to 303 across the year, though the Woolwich attack will drive that up.
Hate crime in London’s main Muslim area, Tower Hamlets, has dropped by almost half since 2003 (though it rose slightly this year). Outside London, faith-hate crimes reported to the main forces with big Muslim populations – West Midlands, Greater Manchester and West Yorkshire – have fallen, too.
Broader political developments suggest a country increasingly at ease with Muslims. In 2009 the main anti-Islamic party, the BNP, had 55 councillors. Now it has two. The number of Muslim MPs doubled at the last election, some elected for entirely non-Muslim seats such as Bromsgrove, Gillingham, or Stratford-upon-Avon with no backlash whatever.
Continental campaigns to ban minarets and the niqab have gained absolutely no political traction in Britain.
Opinion polls after the Woolwich attack showed rising positive sentiment about Muslims – though, as with so many of these exercises, the answers can depend on the questions you ask.
Yet broader politics are also driving the Islamophobia industry.
For Islamists such as the Cordoba Foundation, the narrative of British Muslims under attack, increasingly hated and feared by their fellow citizens, is essential for recruitment, and for furthering their central lie that different races and faiths cannot coexist.
“Islamophobic” is also a handy charge to throw at anyone who questions Islamist ideology.
Tell Mama is not Islamist, though Mr Mughal has written in the Cordoba Foundation’s journal (he says it was a “mistake” which he will not repeat).
But part of its motivation appears to be an attempt to draw some of the sting from Islamist terrorism by equating it with the work of anti-Muslim extremist groups such as the English Defence League.
As Tell Mama’s Twitter feed puts it, “whilst we need to tackle the narrative of hate inspired by al-Qaeda, we also need to tackle the thuggery and hate of the EDL”. Mr Mughal insists that “both groups are significantly problematic”.
Loathsome as the white extreme Right is, however, there is clearly no comparison. No one in Britain has been killed by the EDL; 53 people have been killed by Islamist terrorists. White racists, unlike their Islamist equivalents, do not control key religious institutions or have a significant presence in British universities.
Over the past decade, half a dozen or so white British Right-wingers have been convicted of possessing explosives and other weapons. But all were loners not acting in concert with any group.
In contrast, there have, over the same period, been 150 convictions for Islamist-related terrorism in the UK, many relating to serious, carefully organised, often multinational plots against specific targets involving substantial numbers of people.
For some quarters of the Islamophobia industry, it has now become Muslims who are the main victims of the Woolwich horror.
But while some innocent Muslims have of course become victims, the main victim was Drummer Lee Rigby. And in overhyping the backlash, some in the Muslim community are playing right into the hands of his killers.
There has, said Mr Mughal, been “a wave of attacks, harassment, and hate-filled speech against Muslims … an unprecedented number of incidents”, including “a rise in street harassment of Muslims – unprovoked, opportunistic attacks from strangers as Muslims go about their lives”.
He added: “Over the past week or so, these sorts of hate crimes have noticeably increased in number and, in many instances, become more extreme.
"The scale of the backlash is astounding … there has been a massive spike in anti-Muslim prejudice. A sense of endemic fear has gripped Muslim communities.”
The media, especially the BBC, have accepted the claims without question. A presenter on Radio 4’s influential Today programme stated that attacks on Muslims were now “on a very serious scale”.
Talk of a “massive anti-Muslim backlash” has become routine. And it is that figure issued by Tell Mama – of, to date, 212 “anti-Muslim incidents” since the Woolwich murder – which has formed the basis of nearly all this reporting.
Mr Mughal is in no doubt what lies behind it all. As he told a newspaper: “I do not see an end to this cycle of violence. There is an underlying Islamophobia in our society and the horrendous events in Woolwich have brought this to the fore.”
And as he put it on Today, “the [Government’s] Prevent [anti-extremism] agenda, the extremist agenda, have not been good for building confidence – the sense of fear just alienates and isolates communities.”
Yet the unending “cycle of violence” against Muslims, the unprecedented “wave of attacks” against them from strangers in the street, the “underlying Islamophobia in our society” – all turn out to be yet more things we thought we knew about Woolwich that are not really supported by the evidence.
Tell Mama confirmed to The Sunday Telegraph that about 120 of its 212 “anti-Muslim incidents” – 57 per cent – took place only online. They were offensive postings on Twitter or Facebook, or comments on blogs: nasty and undesirable, certainly, but some way from violence or physical harm and often, indeed, legal. Not all the offending tweets and postings, it turns out, even originated in Britain.
Tell Mama has no written definition of what it classes as an anti-Muslim incident, but has in the past adopted a wide definition. Last November, the cross-bench Asian peer, Baroness Flather, told a newspaper it was “pointless for the Conservatives to chase Muslim votes.
They are all on benefits and all vote Labour”. Tell Mama added this admittedly crass and untrue remark to its database as an “anti-Muslim incident,” though it said it had deleted it following an explanation from Lady Flather.
Although the service says its caseworkers “carefully handle each report as it comes in, to determine whether it can be verified and justified as an anti-Muslim incident”, Mr Mughal admitted that a further 35 of the 212 post-Woolwich incidents, or 16 per cent, had yet to be verified.
He justified publishing the figure, however, saying he expected that all but a handful of incidents would be verified.
Fewer than one in 12 of the 212 “incidents” reported to Tell Mama since Woolwich – 17 cases (8 per cent) – involved individuals being physically targeted.
Six people had things thrown at them, said Mr Mughal, and most of the other 11 cases were attempts to pull off the hijab or other items of Islamic dress.
Without in any way denying the distress and harm caused by such attacks, they do stand at the lower levels of seriousness.
Seventeen is still likely, of course, to underestimate the total number of attacks. The Metropolitan Police, the only major force in Britain which breaks down “offences with an Islamophobic flag”, said there were 13 allegations of common or racially aggravated assault of Muslims reported to it in London in the week after the killing.
About 40 per cent of Britain’s 2.7 million Muslims live in the capital, so the national figure could be around 32 cases, or about one Muslim in every 100,000.
Offences of common and racially aggravated assault are typically used where there has been no injury, such as hijab snatching, or minor injury not drawing blood or requiring medical treatment, such as the throwing incidents reported by Tell Mama. The Met said there were no cases reported to it where any more serious injury resulted.
Asking other police forces and trawling local media reports, The Telegraph has been unable to find a single confirmed case since Drummer Rigby’s death where any individual Muslim has received an injury requiring medical treatment.
Tell Mama’s Twitter feed reported one such incident, of a Muslim woman “knocked unconscious” in Bolton, but the local police said they had no knowledge of this and did not believe it happened.
It is unlikely, though not impossible, that any case of serious injury could have escaped the notice of the media or police.
Perhaps the most serious manifestation of anti-Muslim feeling after the killing was a number of attacks on mosques. These are believed to total 11, though here again evidence for a “wave of violence” is lacking.
With only two exceptions, a mosque in Grimsby into which firebombs were thrown and another one in Essex where a man entered with a knife, all the incidents were relatively minor, such as window-breaking or graffiti.
According to the Charity Commission, there are between 1,100 and 1,500 mosques in the UK, so the number attacked is less than 1 per cent.
Two other sets of figures are available. According to the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), forces nationally reported 71 anti-Muslim hate crimes or “incidents of note” to the National Community Tensions Team in the week after the murder of Drummer Rigby.
“That would cover everything they feel has a link to Woolwich, though an incident of note would not necessarily be a crime,” said a spokesman.
The second set of figures is from True Vision, an online hate-crime reporting tool operated by Acpo. There were 136 reports of anti-Muslim activity – internet or physical – received via this website in the week after Woolwich, overwhelmingly in the first few days, though Acpo said that not all were crimes and some reports were duplicates.
As for the claim that there is “no end” to the cycle of anti-Muslim activity, it has substantially ended already. According to police, there was a sharp spike in reported incidents in the day or so after the killing, but they have already subsided to pre-Woolwich levels. Acpo said that by last Wednesday, a week after the murder, the number of incidents reported to True Vision had fallen back to four a day.
The claim that the spike and numbers were “unprecedented” is wrong, too. After the 7/7 attacks in London – admittedly more serious than the killing of Drummer Rigby – there was a far bigger and more prolonged rise in faith-hate crimes. According to the Met, 269 were recorded in London alone in the three weeks after the 2005 attacks, compared with 40 for the same period the year before.
What the data broadly show, in short, is that Drummer Rigby’s killers have failed. The breakdown in community relations has not come. There has been a rise in incidents, but it appears to be very short-term, overwhelmingly non-violent and even then almost entirely at the lower end of the scale.
Yet this is not a message the Islamophobia industry wants heard, now or ever. Two months before the Woolwich killing, Tell Mama was already claiming that anti-Muslim incidents were “rising”, on the basis of reports made to its service. But at that point it had only been going for a year, so it had no previous figures to compare.
In 2010 a report for the Islamist Cordoba Foundation, described by David Cameron as a “political front for the Muslim Brotherhood”, said there was already what it called a wave of “terrorism” against British Muslims, with an “alarming rise” in hatred of Islam.
What evidence there is simply does not support the claims. There is anti-Muslim hatred in Britain, and it is disgraceful. But nearly all the evidence shows it is diminishing. In 2009 there were 368 anti-Muslim crimes in London; in 2012, there were 337. In the first 11 weeks of 2013, there were 64 crimes, equating at that point to 303 across the year, though the Woolwich attack will drive that up.
Hate crime in London’s main Muslim area, Tower Hamlets, has dropped by almost half since 2003 (though it rose slightly this year). Outside London, faith-hate crimes reported to the main forces with big Muslim populations – West Midlands, Greater Manchester and West Yorkshire – have fallen, too.
Broader political developments suggest a country increasingly at ease with Muslims. In 2009 the main anti-Islamic party, the BNP, had 55 councillors. Now it has two. The number of Muslim MPs doubled at the last election, some elected for entirely non-Muslim seats such as Bromsgrove, Gillingham, or Stratford-upon-Avon with no backlash whatever.
Continental campaigns to ban minarets and the niqab have gained absolutely no political traction in Britain.
Opinion polls after the Woolwich attack showed rising positive sentiment about Muslims – though, as with so many of these exercises, the answers can depend on the questions you ask.
Yet broader politics are also driving the Islamophobia industry.
For Islamists such as the Cordoba Foundation, the narrative of British Muslims under attack, increasingly hated and feared by their fellow citizens, is essential for recruitment, and for furthering their central lie that different races and faiths cannot coexist.
“Islamophobic” is also a handy charge to throw at anyone who questions Islamist ideology.
Tell Mama is not Islamist, though Mr Mughal has written in the Cordoba Foundation’s journal (he says it was a “mistake” which he will not repeat).
But part of its motivation appears to be an attempt to draw some of the sting from Islamist terrorism by equating it with the work of anti-Muslim extremist groups such as the English Defence League.
As Tell Mama’s Twitter feed puts it, “whilst we need to tackle the narrative of hate inspired by al-Qaeda, we also need to tackle the thuggery and hate of the EDL”. Mr Mughal insists that “both groups are significantly problematic”.
Loathsome as the white extreme Right is, however, there is clearly no comparison. No one in Britain has been killed by the EDL; 53 people have been killed by Islamist terrorists. White racists, unlike their Islamist equivalents, do not control key religious institutions or have a significant presence in British universities.
Over the past decade, half a dozen or so white British Right-wingers have been convicted of possessing explosives and other weapons. But all were loners not acting in concert with any group.
In contrast, there have, over the same period, been 150 convictions for Islamist-related terrorism in the UK, many relating to serious, carefully organised, often multinational plots against specific targets involving substantial numbers of people.
For some quarters of the Islamophobia industry, it has now become Muslims who are the main victims of the Woolwich horror.
But while some innocent Muslims have of course become victims, the main victim was Drummer Lee Rigby. And in overhyping the backlash, some in the Muslim community are playing right into the hands of his killers.
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I have seen a few Chinese given a hard time in restaurants and take aways by drunks..
would this constitute an attack on them
would this constitute an attack on them
Only if you put a moth in your mouth and then ask for chicken flied rice..
Let's hope the opportunity is never extended to the Welsh, Alun: the exchequer would never stand it!
Call me old-fashioned, but if someone physically attacked me, or wrote me some idiotic public death threat on Twitter, I'd personally report it at a police station if I felt sufficiently aggrieved.
before bf_fanatic was banned from the horse racing forum
we were getting perilously close to the death threat stage
we were getting perilously close to the death threat stage
interesting America is going to aid the rebels
on the grounds 150
people have been killed by chemical weapons out of the 93,000
killed
plus an equal number of people maimed I should think, in various other ghastly ways
still they have been dying to get stuck in haven't they
I really hope we don't get involved..but I would not guarantee it
which brings back to a point I made earlier, how does the EDL attacking Muslims in our own society,
differ from our governments attacking Muslims in their own countries
the unfortunate fact is, there is no difference
on the grounds 150
people have been killed by chemical weapons out of the 93,000 killedplus an equal number of people maimed I should think, in various other ghastly ways
still they have been dying to get stuck in haven't they
I really hope we don't get involved..but I would not guarantee it
which brings back to a point I made earlier, how does the EDL attacking Muslims in our own society,
differ from our governments attacking Muslims in their own countries
the unfortunate fact is, there is no difference
well except for the fact the EDL have not actually killed anyone yet
more than can be said of our governments
more than can be said of our governments
So we should arm British Muslims?
..what about the rest of us
..what about the rest of us
We have been arming the Syrian rebels to fight the legitimate elected government of Syria through our Saudi, Turkish and Qatari proxies for over 2 years now.
So there will be no real change except maybe we might send a few of our boys to train the anti Syrian government rebels.
Iran might always arm British muslims to fight the EDL/our regime you never know!!!
So there will be no real change except maybe we might send a few of our boys to train the anti Syrian government rebels.
Iran might always arm British muslims to fight the EDL/our regime you never know!!!
I believe you Boris...somebody has had to arming the rebels for the last two years.
We are being lying lied to as usual, the war is of course, much more between the Shias(the Government)
and the Rebels(Sunnis) than any claimed fight for freedom
Common sense says this country should keep clear(but we wont)
and I still feel all this anti Islamic foreign policy must spill over into our own society
Ordinary people cant differentiate between shades of Muslim ...they are either good or bad...that is it
We are being lying lied to as usual, the war is of course, much more between the Shias(the Government)
and the Rebels(Sunnis) than any claimed fight for freedom
Common sense says this country should keep clear(but we wont)
and I still feel all this anti Islamic foreign policy must spill over into our own society
Ordinary people cant differentiate between shades of Muslim ...they are either good or bad...that is it
yeahyeahwhatever
12 Jun 13 23:41
a few days after Lee Rigby's murder there was a "manager of a mosque" being interviewd on radio 5Live and he actually said raised the point that there would be Muslim children who have to stay in over the Bank Holiday and miss their planned trips to Alton Towers because it might not be safe for them....
Yes, really. A man has just been murdered and he raises the fact that children may have their trips to Alton Towers cancelled..
He will be safe to go on the 17th Sept ffs
.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/54268/Muslim-only-Alton-Towers.html
12 Jun 13 23:41
a few days after Lee Rigby's murder there was a "manager of a mosque" being interviewd on radio 5Live and he actually said raised the point that there would be Muslim children who have to stay in over the Bank Holiday and miss their planned trips to Alton Towers because it might not be safe for them....
Yes, really. A man has just been murdered and he raises the fact that children may have their trips to Alton Towers cancelled..
He will be safe to go on the 17th Sept ffs
.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/54268/Muslim-only-Alton-Towers.html
to be fair
would one not want to protect their own children
whatever their religion
would one not want to protect their own children
whatever their religion
Who's up for wearing a burqa and gate crashing?
You might need a time machine as well. The clip is from 2007.
You might need a time machine as well. The clip is from 2007.
Its both 'sides' if thats the right word, a mate who runs an air cadets unit mentioned concerns from parents about their kids in uniform on the streets, the cadet forces in a certain northern town have asked them to arrive in civi clothes and get changed when they get there...
And the event never actually went ahead due to poor ticket sales Magnus.
"yeahyeahwhatever • June 13, 2013 3:27 PM BST
re:Fair enough. Little woman or little girl, which do you think is appropriate?
neither, I'm a big woman.
Big enough not to walk 3 paces behind my husband.
Big enough not to have to use a special entrance in a religious building.
Big enough to hold religious office (were I stupid enough to believe in medieval fairy stories).
Big enough not to need a male chaperone when out in public.
Big enough not to have to cover my hair since the merest glimpse of it may drive men in the vicinity into bursts of uncontrollable lust.
Big enough to realise that since the beginning of time people have been gay, and that there is no more wrong with that than people being hetrosexual.
Big enough to feel sorry for you and to realise that something must have happened when you were younger to make you view women in such a negative light."
Small woman complex imo.
Luckily your constant and absolute focus on your own personal gender and female related matters allowed you to completely dodge the point. I'm sure the galant lads will dash to your aid to protect you from any unfair pressure for you to address the actual issue, that would be frightfully inlady-like. Isn't all religion simply beastly dear.
You should write to your Omsbudswoman or the MInister for Women's Affairs regarding this matter, you will get the special consideration you oh so deserve.
re:Fair enough. Little woman or little girl, which do you think is appropriate?
neither, I'm a big woman.
Big enough not to walk 3 paces behind my husband.
Big enough not to have to use a special entrance in a religious building.
Big enough to hold religious office (were I stupid enough to believe in medieval fairy stories).
Big enough not to need a male chaperone when out in public.
Big enough not to have to cover my hair since the merest glimpse of it may drive men in the vicinity into bursts of uncontrollable lust.
Big enough to realise that since the beginning of time people have been gay, and that there is no more wrong with that than people being hetrosexual.
Big enough to feel sorry for you and to realise that something must have happened when you were younger to make you view women in such a negative light."
Small woman complex imo.
Luckily your constant and absolute focus on your own personal gender and female related matters allowed you to completely dodge the point. I'm sure the galant lads will dash to your aid to protect you from any unfair pressure for you to address the actual issue, that would be frightfully inlady-like. Isn't all religion simply beastly dear.
You should write to your Omsbudswoman or the MInister for Women's Affairs regarding this matter, you will get the special consideration you oh so deserve.
It's OK Big Woman, I'm not actually expecting you to form an argument.
It would have been much funnier though if yeahyeahwhatever was a bloke and he replied with a feeble "neither, I'm a big man", and with an angry upset face
It would have been much funnier though if yeahyeahwhatever was a bloke and he replied with a feeble "neither, I'm a big man", and with an angry upset face
The trouble is yeahyeah
women are encouraged to regard men in a negative light nowadays...do you not see
as I have said to you before the 60/70's were ok men/women got on....no need to change it
and as I have also said personal relationships change this
so of course if I had a daughter I would care for her, I could not help it
rather like Kala in 'Smiley's People'
the monster had a heart it brought him down
women are encouraged to regard men in a negative light nowadays...do you not see
as I have said to you before the 60/70's were ok men/women got on....no need to change it
and as I have also said personal relationships change this
so of course if I had a daughter I would care for her, I could not help it
rather like Kala in 'Smiley's People'
the monster had a heart it brought him down
I actually care for someone as a daughter
...she has problems
I actually think most men and women are decent people at heart...they are just easily led
one could argue religion recognises the different roles men and women must play
men and women are not interchangeable........
anyway evolution will decide this in the end....it always has it's way
I am only sorry the never ending battle of the sexes has become so vicious
and as you defend women, as you must, as a man,I must defend men
...she has problems
I actually think most men and women are decent people at heart...they are just easily led
one could argue religion recognises the different roles men and women must play
men and women are not interchangeable........
anyway evolution will decide this in the end....it always has it's way
I am only sorry the never ending battle of the sexes has become so vicious
and as you defend women, as you must, as a man,I must defend men
Luckily your constant and absolute focus on your own personal gender and female related matters allowed you to completely dodge the point. I'm sure the galant lads will dash to your aid to protect you from any unfair pressure for you to address the actual issue, that would be frightfully inlady-like. Isn't all religion simply beastly dear.
You should write to your Omsbudswoman or the MInister for Women's Affairs regarding this matter, you will get the special consideration you oh so deserve.
so wrong polybot, and if you knew me well on here, you'd know I don't play the gender card. I deplore the fact there is a Minister for Women (should be a Minister for Equalities). I deplore the fact that Harriet bloody Harman has female only gatherings - how the f. can she not see how exclusive an action that is... and I'm not that keen on Harriet Harman at the best of times. I deplore positive discrimination and I absolutely believe that everyone should be given the same chance.
I don't need a lad - galant or otherwise - to protect me. I'm fully able to protect myself don't you fret.
As to religion being "beastly", yes it can be, particularly when it segregates and considers itself exempt from the laws of the land.
I don't deserve any special consideration, and I don't deserve to be spoken to that in condescending tone either. If you want to have an adult discussion, let's do that, but please just talk to me as a person.
You should write to your Omsbudswoman or the MInister for Women's Affairs regarding this matter, you will get the special consideration you oh so deserve.
so wrong polybot, and if you knew me well on here, you'd know I don't play the gender card. I deplore the fact there is a Minister for Women (should be a Minister for Equalities). I deplore the fact that Harriet bloody Harman has female only gatherings - how the f. can she not see how exclusive an action that is... and I'm not that keen on Harriet Harman at the best of times. I deplore positive discrimination and I absolutely believe that everyone should be given the same chance.
I don't need a lad - galant or otherwise - to protect me. I'm fully able to protect myself don't you fret.
As to religion being "beastly", yes it can be, particularly when it segregates and considers itself exempt from the laws of the land.
I don't deserve any special consideration, and I don't deserve to be spoken to that in condescending tone either. If you want to have an adult discussion, let's do that, but please just talk to me as a person.
ebulGerry:
Undoubtedly there are some women who will milk being a "helpless victim" for all its worth... and there are men who will go along with it, but I really do think that most people now realise how judgmental it is for either gender to be sterotyped into narrow bands. For example, when I was growing up (50 now) if a man was a midwife the assumption from some would be that he must be gay, I think if you asked most young people if they thought male midwives were automatically gay they'd think you were being incredibly offensive. Same goes for women wanting to join the army. Ditto women who don't have children were considered weird, that's not the case anymore.
as to your comment:
one could argue religion recognises the different roles men and women must play
men and women are not interchangeable........
But religion most certainly doesn't recognise those differences - look at how gays are treated by most religions. Most religions do its damndest to separate the genders by not allowing them to hold the same office etc.
as to:
I am only sorry the never ending battle of the sexes has become so vicious and as you defend women, as you must, as a man,I must defend men
I was not speaking out in the defence of woman, I was speaking out in the defence of equality - I apologise if that wasn't clear.
Undoubtedly there are some women who will milk being a "helpless victim" for all its worth... and there are men who will go along with it, but I really do think that most people now realise how judgmental it is for either gender to be sterotyped into narrow bands. For example, when I was growing up (50 now) if a man was a midwife the assumption from some would be that he must be gay, I think if you asked most young people if they thought male midwives were automatically gay they'd think you were being incredibly offensive. Same goes for women wanting to join the army. Ditto women who don't have children were considered weird, that's not the case anymore.
as to your comment:
one could argue religion recognises the different roles men and women must play
men and women are not interchangeable........
But religion most certainly doesn't recognise those differences - look at how gays are treated by most religions. Most religions do its damndest to separate the genders by not allowing them to hold the same office etc.
as to:
I am only sorry the never ending battle of the sexes has become so vicious and as you defend women, as you must, as a man,I must defend men
I was not speaking out in the defence of woman, I was speaking out in the defence of equality - I apologise if that wasn't clear.
Women are not equal to men in some jobs. Why should they get paid the same?
well what is equality..women now wish to do roles
traditionally performed by men...they call that equality
The trouble is men and women are not equal...for my evidence I would use genetics
although of course, some intelligent and able women can perform can perform men's roles,
the majority of women cannot....that is what men are for, they are designed for it.
Men must always run society, but of course women must have input, but only in a support and advisory role.
Women already have a job they have babies, they raise children. In general, they cannot do men's work as well.
We are in the midst of an experiment at the moment, in allowing women so much power in the West.
I don't know how it will end, we will all be dead by then.
Religions come from an earlier time and reflect those values. Women had to spend most their time having babies
because less than half children ever made it adulthood. Also people did not live that long. Once child rearing was over
there was little time left Men hunted, gathered, protected (or made wars on other groups to plunder their resources),
again short life.
The thing is our brains have developed to reflect this. So while science may have relieved women of everlasting
pregnancy. Men and women's minds have not changed. To change the dynamics of our society to power share with women, brings
risks we don't see, becoming too risk adverse is one, hence no smoking in doors, a harmless change but draconian in my opinion.
I fear some changes will harm us.
Women probably do need to find something to do with the more free time they have, but doing men's is not one of them in my opinion.
We also ask the wrong question.
The question should be should those with more power mistreat those with less power. The answer to this is of course NO.
Although our economic system encourages this.
traditionally performed by men...they call that equality
The trouble is men and women are not equal...for my evidence I would use genetics
although of course, some intelligent and able women can perform can perform men's roles,
the majority of women cannot....that is what men are for, they are designed for it.
Men must always run society, but of course women must have input, but only in a support and advisory role.
Women already have a job they have babies, they raise children. In general, they cannot do men's work as well.
We are in the midst of an experiment at the moment, in allowing women so much power in the West.
I don't know how it will end, we will all be dead by then.
Religions come from an earlier time and reflect those values. Women had to spend most their time having babies
because less than half children ever made it adulthood. Also people did not live that long. Once child rearing was over
there was little time left Men hunted, gathered, protected (or made wars on other groups to plunder their resources),
again short life.
The thing is our brains have developed to reflect this. So while science may have relieved women of everlasting
pregnancy. Men and women's minds have not changed. To change the dynamics of our society to power share with women, brings
risks we don't see, becoming too risk adverse is one, hence no smoking in doors, a harmless change but draconian in my opinion.
I fear some changes will harm us.
Women probably do need to find something to do with the more free time they have, but doing men's is not one of them in my opinion.
We also ask the wrong question.
The question should be should those with more power mistreat those with less power. The answer to this is of course NO.
Although our economic system encourages this.
I don't expect you to give any ground or change yeahyeah..
I just hate this modern PC world, I don't understand it and I don't like it
I look for arguments to support my cause I suppose, but they are personal opinions only
I just hate this modern PC world, I don't understand it and I don't like it
I look for arguments to support my cause I suppose, but they are personal opinions only
Are you fishing
That's one of the most idiotic posts I've seen on here for a good long while!
It's manifestly factually incorrect and about as ethically sound as a heavily armed infant.
That's one of the most idiotic posts I've seen on here for a good long while!
It's manifestly factually incorrect and about as ethically sound as a heavily armed infant.
which one
point out my inaccuracies
the words ethically sound..bit of a giveaway all very PC
I did admit I am a throwback to the 70's 'The Sweeney' and all that
point out my inaccuracies
the words ethically sound..bit of a giveaway all very PC
I did admit I am a throwback to the 70's 'The Sweeney' and all that
I hope he's not saying that to me.
I'd challenge him to a duel at sunrise. but the lazy facker would send his butler at that hour of the day.
I'd challenge him to a duel at sunrise. but the lazy facker would send his butler at that hour of the day.
SpielfĂĽhrer Firmly,
Some factual information about the work Tell Mama are involved in.
From the Tell Mama website.
The TELL MAMA national project can support and assist individuals if they have been subjected to anti-Muslim prejudice or Islamophobia, whether through a street-based, on-line or institutionally based incident. The figures below represent our initial insights based on preliminary data gathered since our launch. A more detailed report will be published in July 2013.
•632 anti-Muslim hate incidents reported to â€MAMA’ since March 2012, • Muslim women increasingly targeted (58% of all incidents),
• Victims of incidents range from a five-year-old child to an 89-year-old pensioner,
• 2:1 ratio of female victims in Islamic clothing to men in Islamic clothing,
• 74% of incidents take place on-line,
• 6% of incidents involve attacks on mosques/property,
• 5% of victims are white converts to Islam,
• Three-quarters (75%) of perpetrators are male,
• Far Right BNP/EDL supporters linked to over half (54%) of all cases,
• 23 arrests, 18 prosecutions (cases pending),
• MAMA pursuing review of police decision not to charge EDL leader,
• Trend of rising Islamophobia, recorded by YouGov figures (7 March)
No-one should suffer Islamophobic hate incidents and crimes. Reporting in such events is the only way to ensure that the perpetrator understands that their behaviour will not be tolerated. Anti-Muslim prejudice or Islamophobia, like anti-Semitism or hate crimes against people with disabilities, is unacceptable. No community should suffer because of who they are. It is simple as that and anti-Muslim prejudice is a virus that must not spread.
Our caseworkers will be able to assist you in a number of ways, including (i) providing a "listening ear", (ii) signposting, (iii) casework and referrals to mainstream partners like Victim Support or Neighbourhood Watch and (iv) working with you to collect evidence that can be used by the police in possible prosecutions. We also have a range of solicitors that provide pro-bono advice that you may be able to access through the project if you have suffered an anti-Muslim incident.
And for SpielfĂĽhrerEO etc a list of criminal convictions related to BNP/EDL members.
Name of criminal: Age: Description of criminal's connection with the EDL: Date of alleged offence: Was there a conviction? Date of conviction and description of sentence: Are they active on social media? If so give link or description Brief overview of event/s Links to sources for further information:
1 Steven Yaxley Lennon 30 Its leader and founder N/A Yes 18/04/2005; 12 months imprisonment Yes; https://twitter.com/EDLTrobinson Assault occasioning actual bodily harm and for assault with intent to resist arrest he received a concurrent term of three months http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/The-BNP-past-of-EDL-leader
" " " " " " Yes 24/08/2010; sentenced to a 12-month community rehabilitation order, a three-year ban from football and ordered to carry out 150 hours of unpaid word " " Used threatening, abusive or insutling behaviour http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-15313902
" " " " " " Yes 02/04/2011; 12-week suspended 12 months, 150 hour community service and order to pay ÂŁ200 " " Assault on Alan McKee at a Blackburn EDL demo http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-15117961
" " " " " " Yes 03/11/11; 12-week jail term and suspended for a year " " He was in court and charged with a public order offence during Armistice Day in Kensington last year, when Muslim extremists burned poppies. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/edl-leader-stephen-lennon-given-89446
" " " " " " Yes N/A; Fined ÂŁ2300 plus ÂŁ700 costs after serving three days in prison " " Arrested for trespassing after a rooftop protest at FIFA HQ, Zurich Switzerland http://www.fulhamchronicle.co.uk/fulham-and-hammersmith-news/2011/05/11/helicopter-circling-as-edl-thugs-descend-on-hammersmith-82029-28677660/#ixzz1MMw1ZUSJ
2 Richard Price 41 A leader of the English Defence League who was described as a “political prisoner” N/A Yes Jun-10 No Convicited for making four indecent images of children and possessing cocaine and crack cocaine http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12024824
" " " " " " 2009 No " " Was arrested though for public order offences believed to be connect with EDL marches http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/newsevents/newsevents-pressreleases/newsevents-pressreleases-item.htm?id=160275
3 Darryl Jones 17 Assumed links to EDL according to the police 03-Jun-10 Yes 28/01/2011; minimum sentence of 13 years for the murder of Lincoln man, Shaun Rossington and the conspiracy to prevent the course of justice No For the murder of Lincoln man, Shaun Rossington and the conspiracy to prevent the course of justice http://thelincolnite.co.uk/2011/01/shaun-rossingtons-killers-sentenced/
4 Mark Jackson 21 Assumed links to EDL according to the police 03-Jun-10 Yes 28/01/2011; minimum sentence of 13 years No For the murder of Lincoln man, Shaun Rossington and the conspiracy to prevent the course of justice http://thelincolnite.co.uk/2011/01/shaun-rossingtons-killers-sentenced/
5 Joel Titus 19 EDL Youth division leader 08-May-10 Yes 19/04/2011; jailed for nine months Yes; https://twitter.com/TitusYoof Admitted his part in a mass brawl between Brentford and Leyton Orient fans in London. Was among rival supporters who clashed in a a pre-arranged meeting on the final day of last season, on May 8, at Liverpool Street station. http://www.24dash.com/news/communities/2011-04-19-English-Defence-League-you...
" " " " " " 2009 - 2010 Yes 06/05/2011; Given a three year ASBO and banned from attending EDL protests from three years also " " String of incidents between 2009 and 2010, which police say were overwhelmingly related to EDL protests. Titus was barred from entering or loitering outside mosques or Islamic prayer rooms, attending any EDL demonstration, or visiting an area of Whitechap http://content.met.police.uk/News/Man-banned-from-attending-EDL-protests/1260268914243/1257246745756
6 Mark Doel 43 EDL demonstrator 23-Jan-10 Yes N/A; 16 months jailed No Forefront of a group which broke police lines has been jailed for 16 months. Doel kicked out to the back of a slightly built female officer and punched her to her helmet, causing her to fall to the ground. The 43-year-old, had numerous convictions for vio http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/news/Father-jailed-violent-EDL-protest/article-2287989-detail/article.html
7 Jeff Marsh 44 Set up the Welsh Defence League Jun-09 Yes N/A; four-month suspended jail term, 150-hour community service and ordered to pay ÂŁ600 costs. Was given a full five-year football banning order that will prevent him attending any football matches for five years.
No Found in possession of a knuckleduster when he was arrested for affray outside the Ninian Park pub in Canton, Cardiff and admitted affray and possession of an offensive weapon at Cardiff Magistrates’ Court http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/11/english-defence-league-chaotic-a...
" " " " " " In the year 1989 Yes 1989; jailed for two years " " Convicted of grievous bodily harm for stabbing two Manchester United supporters in Cardiff http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/2010/03/05/football-hooligan-barre...
" " " " " " In the year 1986 Yes 1986; unknown " " Convicted of a football-related assaulted in Halifax
8 Derek Fender 38 Founded the EDL Anti-Troll division N/A Yes 09/01/2010; given a 12-month conditional discharge No Stole ÂŁ153 worth of energy-efficient bulbs from Homebase in Gateshead http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Shoplifter's+light+touch.-a0228887414
9 Darren Buck 50 EDL member 16-Apr-11 Yes N/A; sentenced to 16 weeks in prison which was suspended for 12 months. He will be subject to a curfew on Saturdays and Sundays from 9am to 9pm for 20 weeks and must pay costs of ÂŁ85. pleaded guilty to a charge of using insulting or abusive language with No Threatened two elderly asian men http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/local/edl_thug_abused_old_men_1_3496010
10 Shane Overton 38 Attended an EDL demonstration 29-May-10 Yes 09/03/2011; 10-year CRASBO sentence, the terms of the order mean he cannot travel on any public railway or enter any railway station, contact the victims in the case or knowingly participate in, organise or control any demonstration, meeting gathering or No Racially aggravated an Asian mother and father with their two children on the platform at Doncaster station http://www.lincs.police.uk/News-Centre/News-Releases/10-03-2011-Lincoln-Man-Given-EDL-CRASBO.html
11 Trevor Hannington 58 N/A N/A Yes Jailed for two years as he pleaded guilty to six charges which included offences of possessing and disseminating terrorist publications and stirring up racial hatred. No Soliciting to commit murder, and using threatening or abusive language likely to stir up racial hatred http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10413611
12 Michael Heaton 42 N/A N/A Yes Jailed for 30 months as he was found guilty on all four racial hatred charges that he faced No Soliciting to commit murder, and using threatening or abusive language likely to stir up racial hatred http://1millionunited.org/blogs/blog/2010/06/10/edl-two-face-charges-of-soliciting-murder/
13 Anthony Burn 47 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Three months imprisonment, suspended for 12 months with a four-week curfew No Faced charges of affray and unlawful violence at the Tyneside Irish Centre during a rival political meeting. The attack happened on September 22 last year, when the left-wing Socialist Workers’ Party were meeting at the centre on Gallowgate, Newcastle cit http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/evening-chronicle-news/2011/1...
14 Colin Burton 2 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Jailed for seven months No Faced charges of affray and unlawful violence at the Tyneside Irish Centre during a rival political meeting. The attack happened on September 22 last year, when the left-wing Socialist Workers’ Party were meeting at the centre on Gallowgate, Newcastle cit " "
14 Peter Duffy 43 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Jailed for 10 months No " " " "
15 Michael Garriock 22 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Jailed for eight months No " " " "
16 Barry Keddy 33 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Jailed for eight months No " " " "
17 Nicholas Mills 24 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Case was adjourned No " " " "
18 Alan Spence 25 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Jailed for seven months No " " " "
19 Steven Spence 26 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Jailed for eight months No " " " "
20 Colin Bell 35 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Three months imprisonment, suspended for 12 months with a four-week curfew No " " " "
21 Paul Starr 44 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Sentenced to four months imprisonment, suspended for 12 months, with a similar curfew No " " " "
22 Wayne Baldwin 41 Attended an EDL demonstration N/A Yes Fined ÂŁ180 with ÂŁ85 costs and ÂŁ15 victim surcharge No Pleaded guilty to using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour at Hanley Forest Park http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/news/court-EDL-gathering/article-1814557-detail/article.html
23 Anthony Cook 22 Attended an EDL demonstration N/A Yes Fined ÂŁ100 and told to pay ÂŁ55 costs. No Pleaded guilty to a charge of displaying some writing, sign or other visible representation which was racially aggravated " "
24 Jay Joseph Willis 30 Attended an EDL protest 09-Oct-10 Yes 11/10/2010; ordered not to attend any defence league or anti-Islamic gatherings of more than three people No Admitted obstructing a police officer in the execution of his duty and being in possession of a small quantity of cocaine http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/EDL-protest-arrests-face-court/story-12066505-detail/story.html
25 Lee Whitby N/A N/A N/A Yes Fined ÂŁ200 and ordered to pay a further ÂŁ200 in costs, as well as a ÂŁ15 victim surcharge No Found guilty of using racially aggravated abusive words http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1173828_men_fined_for_edl... http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1159175_edl_protest_in_manchester_as_it_happened
26 Kevin Greaves 30 An EDL supporter 07-Oct-09 Yes 15/10/2009; fined ÂŁ80, and ordered to pay another ÂŁ100 in costs and victim surcharge No Admitted public order offences of using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1173828_men_fined_for_edl... http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1159175_edl_protest_in_manchester_as_it_happened
27 James Crangle 30 An EDL supporter 07-Oct-09 Yes 15/10/2009; fined ÂŁ160, and ordered to pay another ÂŁ100 in costs and victim surcharge No Admitted public order offences of using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1173828_men_fined_for_edl... http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1159175_edl_protest_in_manchester_as_it_happened
28 David Monks 33 An EDL supporter 07-Oct-09 Yes 15/10/2009; fined ÂŁ80 plus ÂŁ95 in costs and a victim surcharge No Admitted public order offences of using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour
" " 34 An EDL supporter Apr-10 Yes 16/05/2011; was made subject to an electronically monitored curfew between 8pm and 6am for 91 days No Pleaded guilty to using threatening behaviour after he threw a punch while attending an English Defence League rally in Blackburn http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/blackburn/8980991.Three_plead_guilty_to_EDL_Blackburn_charges/
29 Kier McElroy 19 N/A N/A Yes 23/03/2010; 16-month imprisonment No Carried out a racially aggravated assault when a mob went on the rampage in Luton, attacked a young Asian man in a shop doorway in Chapel Street, hitting him across the head with a placard he was holding http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/districtnews/districtatog/9028989.Curfew_for_man_who_threw_punch/
30 Scott Buchan 23 N/A Feb-10 Yes Fined ÂŁ500 No Breaching of the peace in Edinburgh http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/9029661.Five_in_court_after_Blackburn_EDL_rally/?ref=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
31 Ashley Wilson 24 Said to victim, "I am EDL" suggesting he supports their cause N/A Yes 26/09/2010; ordered to carry 100 hours of unpaid work and to pay ÂŁ165 compensation and 85 in cost No Smashed a glass pane at the Spice Club restaurant in Eastover and threatened to cut the waiters' faces because they served Halal meat http://www.hizb.org.uk/news-watch/edl-supporter-threatened-waiter-because-restaurant-served-halal-meat
32 Daniel John Buckley 27 An EDL protester N/A Yes Eight-week prison sentence suspended for 12 months and ordered to attend a course to address his alcohol problem No Admitted racially aggravated harassment and obstructing a police officer http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Suspended-term-EDL-protester/story-12069038-detail/story.html
33 Arthur Disbury N/A A well known EDL activist N/A No (for one crime) but Yes (for another) Four year custodial sentence Yes; https://twitter.com/dizzy99 Found not guilty of conspiracy to supply heroin to serving prisoners but was found guilty of conspiracy to supply cannabis and was given a four year custodial sentence http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/1480/nick-griffin-and-the-drug-smuggler
34 John Kavanagh 22 Attended an EDL demonstration N/A Yes Eight weeks No Caused criminal damage during an EDL demonstration http://www.leics.police.uk/news/4919_man_sentenced_to_8_weeks_imprisonment/
35 Rocky Lee Beale 19 N/A 07-Mar-10 No 8/03/2010; but given a conditional discharge for 18 months after pleading guilty No Raided a supermarket http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/efnews/5066920.BUCKHURST_HILL__No_jail...
" " " " " " 24-Mar-11 Yes 28/09/2011; three-and-a-half years in a young offenders’ institution No The gang shattered the windows of Redbridge Islamic Centre, Eastern Avenue, before trying to storm their way inside while taunting worshippers with sickening chants. http://www.london24.com/news/court/redbridge_mosque_attackers_jailed_by_judg... http://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news/news/six_due_in_court_today_over_redbridge_mosque_attack_1_848514
36 Harry Deluca 16 N/A 24-Mar-11 Yes 28/09/2011; was given a two-year detention and training order No " " " "
37 Elliot Jones 19 N/A 24-Mar-11 Yes 28/09/2011; three-and-a-half years in a young offenders’ institution No " " " "
38 Matthew Stephenson 19 N/A 25-Mar-11 Yes 28/09/2011; three-and-a-half years in a young offenders’ institution No " " " "
39 Scott Bailey 23 Attended an EDL march 17-Jul-10 Yes 31/05/2011; imprisoned, time unknown No Guilty to charges of affray at the EDL demonstration in Stafford Street car park, Dudley. Accused of throwing a fence at the police while at an EDL protest http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2011/04/07/edl-protester-starts-jail-term-for-affray/
40 Thomas Blackwell 25 Attended an EDL march 17-Jul-10 Yes 31/05/2010; sentence to one year in prison No Guilty to charges of affray at the EDL demonstration in Stafford Street car park, Dudley http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2011/05/21/four-locked-up-over-affray-at-...
41 Anthony Grant 20 Attended an EDL march 17-Jul-10 Yes 31/05/2011; imprisoned, time unknown No Guilty to charges of affray at the EDL demonstration in Stafford Street car park, Dudley. Accused of throwing stones and large objects whle at an EDL protest http://www.stourbridgenews.co.uk/news/9042906.Teens_caged_for_EDL_demo_affray/
42 Adrian Britton 39 Attended an EDL march 17-Jul-10 Yes 31/05/2011; jailed for 15 months No Guilty to charges of affray at the EDL demonstration in Stafford Street car park, Dudley " "
43 Daniel Holmes 26 Attended an EDL march 17-Jul-10 Yes 31/05/2011; sentenced to 12 months No Guilty to charges of affray at the EDL demonstration in Stafford Street car park, Dudley " "
44 James Everard 20 Attended an EDL march 17-Jul-10 Yes 31/05/2011; imprisoned for nine months No " " " "
45 Jake Hill 19 Attended an EDL march 17-Jul-10 Yes 31/05/2011; imprisoned for five months No " " " "
46 Robert Gavin Tromans 29 Protested at an EDL march Apr-10 Yes 16/05/2011; was remanded on bail for the preparation of a pre-sentence report with a warning a custodial sentence could not be ruled out No Attacked a horse as the police formed a mounted cordon to control a crowd and pleaded guilty to using threatening behaviour http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/blackburn/8980991.Three_plead_guilty_to_EDL_Blackburn_charges/
47 Lisa Swales 27 Protested at an EDL march Apr-10 Yes 16/05/2011; she was sentenced to 12 weeks in prison, suspended for 12 months, made subject to community supervision for 12 months with a condition she attends the stop binge drinking programme No Pleaded guilty to assaulting a police officer during the rally. She suddenly lunched forward and grabbed his testicles http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/districtnews/districtatog/9028989.Curfew_for_man_who_threw_punch/
48 Thomas James Ferguson 22 Protested at an EDL march Apr-10 Yes 16/05/2011; was jailed for 28 days No Pleaded guilty to using threatening behaviour after being ordered to leave the rally. He was drunk, became abusive and swung a punch at an officer before he was arrested.
Ferguson also pleaded guilty to theft from a shop and two offences of failing to an http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/9029661.Five_in_court_after_Blackburn_EDL_rally/?ref=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
49 Patrick Joseph Doyle 48 Protested at an EDL march Apr-10 Yes 16/05/2011, description of sentence not found No Pleaded guilty to assaulting a police officer in the execution of his duty. He had caught the officer on the temple and knocked his helmet off " "
50 Ian Brazier 26 03-Mar-12 Yes 04/07/2012; spared jailed but he received a six-week sentence, suspended for 18 months, and ordered to complete a diversity awareness course plus 250 hours of unpaid work in the community and pay ÂŁ100 compensation No Charged with racially aggravated assault because he ripped off a Muslim woman's veil in a shopping centre because he thought she was "just another illegal immigrant" http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/07/04/man-spared-jail-ian-brazier-muslim-woman-veil-shopping-centre-solihull-farhana-chughtai_n_1648794.html
51 Anthony Donald Smith 24 Claimed membership to the EDL 16-Nov-10 Yes 10/10/2011; year-long sentence No Attacked the Nasir mosque in Hartlepool, spraying the letters EDL and NEI (North East Infidels) along with the slogan "no surrender" and images of poppies and the St George flag on the eve of the Muslim festival of Eid. Also sprayed similar graffiti on a http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13365182 http://www.obv.org.uk/news-blogs/former-edl-members-jailed-racist-attacks
52 Steven James Vasey 31 Claimed membership to the EDL 16-Nov-10 Yes 10/10/2011; year-long sentence No " " http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13365182 http://www.obv.org.uk/news-blogs/former-edl-members-jailed-racist-attacks
53 Charlotte Davies 19 Claimed membership to the EDL 16-Nov-10 Yes 10/10/2011; was given a 12-week sentence, suspended for a year, and 200 hours’ unpaid work No " " http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/8998509.Three_in_court_over_alleged_racist_graffiti/?ref=rss
54 David Jared Evans 36 Texted the TDL at the time of offense N/A Yes 06/12/2010; received a 36 week prison sentence, suspended for a year and 200 hours unpaid work and attend an offending behaviour programme run by the probation service specifically to address his racially motivated behaviour No Was abusive and threatening to two British Muslims outside Wrexham’s new mosque and threatened to burn it down. He also sent texts to people suggesting a visit to the mosque in the former Miner’s Institute and a demonstration and said flare throwers made http://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/93319/wrexham-man-in-custody-after-incident-at-mosque.aspx
55 George Blythe 36 N/A 29-Mar-10 and 31-Mar-2010 Yes Jailed for eight months No Blythe pleaded guilty to possession of a class B drug with intent to supply http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/family_drugs_factory_busted_1_3037279?commentssort=0&commentspage=12
56 Unknown 17-year-old youth 17 N/A 09-Jul-10 Yes 27/05/2011; ordered to carry out 100 hours of unpaid community work after carrying out a religiously aggravated attack No Found guilty of assaulting off-duty Muslim police officer PC Rizwaan Chothia http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Shamed-Lincolnshire-teenager-guilty-attack-Muslim/story-12129027-detail/story.html
57 Christopher Chapman 22 Attended an EDL protest N/A Yes 14/03/2011; was handed a 12-week suspended prison sentence No Caused ÂŁ1,000 worth of damage to doors and windows at the Independent Arts Centre Fabrika, in Humberstone Gate and using threatening words and behaviour which caused people to fear for their safety http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/sentenced-parts-protest-disorder/article-3329798-detail/article.html
58 Andrew Millard 27 Attended an EDL protest N/A Yes 14/03/2011; was ordered to do 100 hours unpaid community work No Attempted to damage the arts centre with a large wooden pole " "
59 Ryan Stapleford 18 Attended an EDL protest N/A Yes 14/03/2011; was ordered to do 200 hours unpaid work in the Leicester community No Launched a "flying kick" on a Muslim man on the afternoon of the EDL demonstration in Leicester " "
60 Brian Mackey 19 Pledged allegiance to the EDL 05-Sep-10 No N/A No Pledged allegiance to far right group the English Defence League (EDL) during an onslaught of abuse aimed at Muslims leaving the Baithul Mamur Jame Masjid Mosque, in Baring Street http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/crime/racists_mosque_taunts_1_2984302?com...
61 Steven Dryden 24 Pledged allegiance to the EDL 05-Sep-10 No N/A No " " " "
62 Brian Bristow 37 Attended an EDL protest N/A Yes 13/10/2010; was fined £100 – though his time in custody was accepted in lieu of payment – and ordered to pay £85 court costs No Cannabis possession http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/EDL-protester-carrying-drugs/arti...
63 Christopher Wittwer 35 N/A May-10 Yes Jailed for ten months No Set up a controversial anti-paedophile website naming convicted child sex offenders last summer http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/regionalnews/Hooligans-sentenced-football-rivals-clash-city/article-3613259-detail/article.html
64 Neil Mitchell 42 N/A 06-Jan-11 Yes Banned from the shop for 12 months and ordered to pay Pounds 300 costs No Mitchell pleaded guilty to threatening behaviour and causing criminal damage but denied they were racially aggravated http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Lincoln-yob-denies-racist-friend-called-nig-nog/story-12737556-detail/story.html
65 Liam Wood N/A N/A N/A Yes Jailed six months suspended No Admitted possessing cocaine with the intent to supply
66 Daniel Parker 39 An EDL chanter N/A Yes 16/09/2011; jailed for eight months No Racially abusive at Barnsley Muslim Community Centre http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/main-section/edl_chanter_jailed_over_vile_abuse_1_3783364
67 John Parkin 26 Declared he was an EDL member N/A Yes Jailed for 10 months for being in breach of an earlier suspended sentence. Two charges of religiously aggravated public order offences. 52 week prison sentence, which in June of last year was suspended for two years, following an attack on his then partne No Threatened to blow up a mosque http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2012/01/05/judge-criticises-sentencing-powers-as-racist-escapes-tough-punishment-91466-30066272/#ixzz1l5X5mviL
68 Louise Leslie 41 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for 15 months No The event was believed to be a culmination of four weeks of tormenting. When the nine criminals together attacked two Turkish workers at the Manhattan Cafe. The gang are seen massing outside the takeaway, several of them gesticulating wildly as they yelle http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/gang-s-terrifying-racist-abuse-of-carlisle-takeaway-staff-1.922435?referrerPath=home
69 Michael Wilson 29 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for 30 months No " " http://www.cumberlandnews.co.uk/news/racism-must-not-be-allowed-to-flourish-in-carlisle-judge-tells-hate-gang-1.923732?referrerPath=news
70 Ian Bradshaw 26 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for 21 months No Was seen flicking a lighted cigarette into the shop and throwing a fizzy drinks can " "
71 William Ewings 43 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for 13 months No The event was believed to be a culmination of four weeks of tormenting. When the nine criminals together attacked two Turkish workers at the Manhattan Cafe. The gang are seen massing outside the takeaway, several of them gesticulating wildly as they yelle " "
72 Donna-Marie Beattie 22 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for 15 months No " " " "
73 Kerry Victoria Wilson 41 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for a year No Did not use racist language, but joined in by banging on the take-away window " "
74 CraigWilliam Mecalfe 31 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for 15 months No The event was believed to be a culmination of four weeks of tormenting. When the nine criminals together attacked two Turkish workers at the Manhattan Cafe. The gang are seen massing outside the takeaway, several of them gesticulating wildly as they yelle " "
75 Tracie Wilkinson 35 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for 15 months No " " " "
76 Rebecca Louise Wardle 24 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for 13 months No " " " "
77 Stefan Adamson 24 N/A 12-Aug-11 Yes 12-month community order with 80 hours unpaid work. He was ordered to pay ÂŁ25 compensation and ÂŁ300 in prosecution costs No Racially-aggravated common assault and racially-aggravated threatening behaviour http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/Offensive-taunts-directed-teenagers/story-15164951-detail/story.html
78 John McAndrew 29 N/A N/A Yes Jailed for 14 months for affray and common assault, was given a five-year conviction relation ASBO No Threw large stones into a busy road and then he following was arrested for assaulting two men at an EDL demonstration against a mosque and cultural center in Green Lane, Dagenham http://www.yellowad.co.uk/news.cfm?id=7337&headline=Man+served+with+CRASBO+for+actions+at+EDL+protests
79 Michael Currie 28 Attended a EDL protest Aug-10 Yes 16-month prison sentence and a further eight months for other matters including a breahing a suspended sentence order Yes; https://twitter.com/gybmousecurrie He was caught on camera throwing lumps of brick or concrete at police lines during violent clashes at an English Defence League protest in Bradford city centre. He pleaded guilty to a charge of affray and was given a 16-month prison sentence for that offe http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/local/localbrad/9568058.Man_jailed_after_Bradford_EDL_protest/r/?ref=rss
80 Charlies Dickie 23 N/A N/A Yes 06/03/11; ÂŁ70 fine for other offences, but waved the fine in lieu of the time Dickie spent in custody No Charged with making religiously-aggravated threats. Pleaded guilty to possession of cannabis and to smashing a police phone while in custody. http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/english-defence-league-member-denies-muslim-slur-to-taxi-driver-1-3591156
81 Jamie Takle 22 N/A 24-Dec-11 Yes Suspended jail sentence and tagging order No Had abused several Asian taxi drivers on the night of Christmas Eve. Faced three counts of racially aggravated harassment, one of racially aggravated criminal damage and one of harassment http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Drinker-racially-abused-taxi-driver/story-15455235-detail/story.html
82 John Foster 18 N/A N/A Yes 30/03/12; 15 months in a young offenders' institute for wounding and racially affravated assault No Attacked two teenagers which was result of heightened racial tensions in Thornhill Lees. Two of the defendants, Josh Foster and Jordan Williams, were seeking revenge after being beaten up by a group of Asian males in October http://www.dewsburyreporter.co.uk/news/local/more-local-news/four-locked-up-for-slashing-teen-in-thornhill-lees-1-4399235
83 Jordan Williams 18 N/A N/A Yes 30/03/12; 18 months in a young offenders' institute for wounding, racially aggravated assault and possessing an offensive weapon No Attacked two teenagers which was result of heightened racial tensions in Thornhill Lees. Two of the defendants, Josh Foster and Jordan Williams, were seeking revenge after being beaten up by a group of Asian males in October, Williams hit one of the teena " "
84 Melvin Watts 19 N/A N/A Yes 30/03/12; Five years in a young offenders' institute for wounding with intent and possessing an offensive weapon No Attacked two teenagers which was result of heightened racial tensions in Thornhill Lees, Watts slashed one of them across the face. " "
85 Dave Oakley 21 N/A N/A Yes 30/03/12; 18 months in a young offenders' institute for wounding and racially aggravated assault No Attacked two teenagers which was result of heightened racial tensions in Thornhill Lees " "
86 Peter Briggs 19 Performed a Nazi salute and unveiled an English Defence League flag at a football match N/A Yes 05/04/12; Banned from attending any football ground or any regulated UK matches in the UK for three years. Has to surrender his passport so he cannot go to any games being played outside the UK. Cannot be in the Sincil Bank area during the two hours befor No Was associated with several violent flare-ups at football matches between 2009 and February 2012, Briggs was involved in clashes at Grimsby Town, Notts County and in Lincoln High Street when on 24/07/10, the Imps played Celtic. Five people were taken to h http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Football-hooligan-banned-Nazi-salute-Lincoln-City/story-15782238-detail/story.html
87 Alfie Wallace 19 N/A 21-Nov-10 Yes 12 months in a young offenders' institution for religiously aggravated criminal damage and violent disorder No Attacked the Kingston Mosque, bacon was strewn over the building in November, 2010 http://www.cps.gov.uk/london/press_releases/three_men_convicted_for_attack_on_kingston_mosque/
88 Martin Pottle 24 N/A 21-Nov-10 Yes 14 months in prison for religiously aggravated criminal damage and violent disorder No " " http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/kingstonnews/9675578.Thugs_who_attacked_Kingston_Mosque_are_jailed/
89 David Morris 21 N/A 21-Nov-10 Yes Six months imprisonment for racially aggravated criminal damage No " " " "
90 Shane Martin 18 06-Nov-11 Yes Wimprisoned for eight months after he pleaded guilty to having an offensive weapon and threatening behaviour No Armed with a martial arts weapon threatened visitors and staff at South Tyneside’s hospital maternity unit after being refused entry in the early hours of the morning http://www.jarrowandhebburngazette.com/news/crime/teen-yob-threatened-staff-...
" " 04-Jun-11 Yes Must be supervised by the probation service for 12 months, carry out 250 hours’ unpaid work and must pay £375 to the owners of the cars they damaged No Smashed three cars after a house party, causing £1,400 damage http://www.jarrowandhebburngazette.com/news/crime/wreckers_made_to_pay_for_damage_to_cars_1_3957371
91 Kevin Jenkins 45 N/A 16-Jan-10 No Jenkins was given bail on the condition that he does not contact the victim, would stand trial at a later date No Admitted sexually assaulting a 14-year-old girl on a bus in Bristol http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Hooligan-admits-sex-assault-girl-14/story-11291946-detail/story.html
92 Bernard Holmes 26 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; 18 months in prison and given a five year CRASBO No Attacked the home of Lancashire MEP Sajjiad Karim and various public order offences including racially aggravated provocation of violence, having an offensive weapon and threatening behaviour http://www.clitheroeadvertiser.co.uk/news/local-news/twelve-plead-guilty-over-edl-disturbances-in-brierfield-1-4488736
93 Leonard Hawley 47 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; sentenced to 37 weeks in prison No " " http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-17838415
94 David Wilson 47 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; senetnced to 37 weeks in prison No " " http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/edl-man-in-court-drama-1-4606372
95 Jason Smith 43 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; sentenced to 37 weeks in prison No " " http://www.lancashire.police.uk/news/eleven-sentenced-for-public-order-offences-following-disorder-in-brierfield
96 David Garrett 45 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; admitted to having an offensive weapon (a chisel) sentenced ti 47 weeks in prison No " " http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/edl-protest-leaves-girl-8-terrified-1-4488597
97 Leanne Thorton 26 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; pleaded not giulty to violent disorder but admitted using threatening behaviour No " " " "
98 Graham Smith 48 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; sentenced to 100-hours community service and given a 16-week custodial senetnce, suspended for two years No " " " "
99 Paul Blundell 45 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; failed to appear for sentencing No " " " "
100 John English 24 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; sentenced to 100-hours community service and given a 16-week custodial senetnce, suspended for two years No " " " "
Some factual information about the work Tell Mama are involved in.
From the Tell Mama website.
The TELL MAMA national project can support and assist individuals if they have been subjected to anti-Muslim prejudice or Islamophobia, whether through a street-based, on-line or institutionally based incident. The figures below represent our initial insights based on preliminary data gathered since our launch. A more detailed report will be published in July 2013.
•632 anti-Muslim hate incidents reported to â€MAMA’ since March 2012, • Muslim women increasingly targeted (58% of all incidents),
• Victims of incidents range from a five-year-old child to an 89-year-old pensioner,
• 2:1 ratio of female victims in Islamic clothing to men in Islamic clothing,
• 74% of incidents take place on-line,
• 6% of incidents involve attacks on mosques/property,
• 5% of victims are white converts to Islam,
• Three-quarters (75%) of perpetrators are male,
• Far Right BNP/EDL supporters linked to over half (54%) of all cases,
• 23 arrests, 18 prosecutions (cases pending),
• MAMA pursuing review of police decision not to charge EDL leader,
• Trend of rising Islamophobia, recorded by YouGov figures (7 March)
No-one should suffer Islamophobic hate incidents and crimes. Reporting in such events is the only way to ensure that the perpetrator understands that their behaviour will not be tolerated. Anti-Muslim prejudice or Islamophobia, like anti-Semitism or hate crimes against people with disabilities, is unacceptable. No community should suffer because of who they are. It is simple as that and anti-Muslim prejudice is a virus that must not spread.
Our caseworkers will be able to assist you in a number of ways, including (i) providing a "listening ear", (ii) signposting, (iii) casework and referrals to mainstream partners like Victim Support or Neighbourhood Watch and (iv) working with you to collect evidence that can be used by the police in possible prosecutions. We also have a range of solicitors that provide pro-bono advice that you may be able to access through the project if you have suffered an anti-Muslim incident.
And for SpielfĂĽhrerEO etc a list of criminal convictions related to BNP/EDL members.
Name of criminal: Age: Description of criminal's connection with the EDL: Date of alleged offence: Was there a conviction? Date of conviction and description of sentence: Are they active on social media? If so give link or description Brief overview of event/s Links to sources for further information:
1 Steven Yaxley Lennon 30 Its leader and founder N/A Yes 18/04/2005; 12 months imprisonment Yes; https://twitter.com/EDLTrobinson Assault occasioning actual bodily harm and for assault with intent to resist arrest he received a concurrent term of three months http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/The-BNP-past-of-EDL-leader
" " " " " " Yes 24/08/2010; sentenced to a 12-month community rehabilitation order, a three-year ban from football and ordered to carry out 150 hours of unpaid word " " Used threatening, abusive or insutling behaviour http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-15313902
" " " " " " Yes 02/04/2011; 12-week suspended 12 months, 150 hour community service and order to pay ÂŁ200 " " Assault on Alan McKee at a Blackburn EDL demo http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-15117961
" " " " " " Yes 03/11/11; 12-week jail term and suspended for a year " " He was in court and charged with a public order offence during Armistice Day in Kensington last year, when Muslim extremists burned poppies. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/edl-leader-stephen-lennon-given-89446
" " " " " " Yes N/A; Fined ÂŁ2300 plus ÂŁ700 costs after serving three days in prison " " Arrested for trespassing after a rooftop protest at FIFA HQ, Zurich Switzerland http://www.fulhamchronicle.co.uk/fulham-and-hammersmith-news/2011/05/11/helicopter-circling-as-edl-thugs-descend-on-hammersmith-82029-28677660/#ixzz1MMw1ZUSJ
2 Richard Price 41 A leader of the English Defence League who was described as a “political prisoner” N/A Yes Jun-10 No Convicited for making four indecent images of children and possessing cocaine and crack cocaine http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12024824
" " " " " " 2009 No " " Was arrested though for public order offences believed to be connect with EDL marches http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/newsevents/newsevents-pressreleases/newsevents-pressreleases-item.htm?id=160275
3 Darryl Jones 17 Assumed links to EDL according to the police 03-Jun-10 Yes 28/01/2011; minimum sentence of 13 years for the murder of Lincoln man, Shaun Rossington and the conspiracy to prevent the course of justice No For the murder of Lincoln man, Shaun Rossington and the conspiracy to prevent the course of justice http://thelincolnite.co.uk/2011/01/shaun-rossingtons-killers-sentenced/
4 Mark Jackson 21 Assumed links to EDL according to the police 03-Jun-10 Yes 28/01/2011; minimum sentence of 13 years No For the murder of Lincoln man, Shaun Rossington and the conspiracy to prevent the course of justice http://thelincolnite.co.uk/2011/01/shaun-rossingtons-killers-sentenced/
5 Joel Titus 19 EDL Youth division leader 08-May-10 Yes 19/04/2011; jailed for nine months Yes; https://twitter.com/TitusYoof Admitted his part in a mass brawl between Brentford and Leyton Orient fans in London. Was among rival supporters who clashed in a a pre-arranged meeting on the final day of last season, on May 8, at Liverpool Street station. http://www.24dash.com/news/communities/2011-04-19-English-Defence-League-you...
" " " " " " 2009 - 2010 Yes 06/05/2011; Given a three year ASBO and banned from attending EDL protests from three years also " " String of incidents between 2009 and 2010, which police say were overwhelmingly related to EDL protests. Titus was barred from entering or loitering outside mosques or Islamic prayer rooms, attending any EDL demonstration, or visiting an area of Whitechap http://content.met.police.uk/News/Man-banned-from-attending-EDL-protests/1260268914243/1257246745756
6 Mark Doel 43 EDL demonstrator 23-Jan-10 Yes N/A; 16 months jailed No Forefront of a group which broke police lines has been jailed for 16 months. Doel kicked out to the back of a slightly built female officer and punched her to her helmet, causing her to fall to the ground. The 43-year-old, had numerous convictions for vio http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/news/Father-jailed-violent-EDL-protest/article-2287989-detail/article.html
7 Jeff Marsh 44 Set up the Welsh Defence League Jun-09 Yes N/A; four-month suspended jail term, 150-hour community service and ordered to pay ÂŁ600 costs. Was given a full five-year football banning order that will prevent him attending any football matches for five years.
No Found in possession of a knuckleduster when he was arrested for affray outside the Ninian Park pub in Canton, Cardiff and admitted affray and possession of an offensive weapon at Cardiff Magistrates’ Court http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/11/english-defence-league-chaotic-a...
" " " " " " In the year 1989 Yes 1989; jailed for two years " " Convicted of grievous bodily harm for stabbing two Manchester United supporters in Cardiff http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/2010/03/05/football-hooligan-barre...
" " " " " " In the year 1986 Yes 1986; unknown " " Convicted of a football-related assaulted in Halifax
8 Derek Fender 38 Founded the EDL Anti-Troll division N/A Yes 09/01/2010; given a 12-month conditional discharge No Stole ÂŁ153 worth of energy-efficient bulbs from Homebase in Gateshead http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Shoplifter's+light+touch.-a0228887414
9 Darren Buck 50 EDL member 16-Apr-11 Yes N/A; sentenced to 16 weeks in prison which was suspended for 12 months. He will be subject to a curfew on Saturdays and Sundays from 9am to 9pm for 20 weeks and must pay costs of ÂŁ85. pleaded guilty to a charge of using insulting or abusive language with No Threatened two elderly asian men http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/local/edl_thug_abused_old_men_1_3496010
10 Shane Overton 38 Attended an EDL demonstration 29-May-10 Yes 09/03/2011; 10-year CRASBO sentence, the terms of the order mean he cannot travel on any public railway or enter any railway station, contact the victims in the case or knowingly participate in, organise or control any demonstration, meeting gathering or No Racially aggravated an Asian mother and father with their two children on the platform at Doncaster station http://www.lincs.police.uk/News-Centre/News-Releases/10-03-2011-Lincoln-Man-Given-EDL-CRASBO.html
11 Trevor Hannington 58 N/A N/A Yes Jailed for two years as he pleaded guilty to six charges which included offences of possessing and disseminating terrorist publications and stirring up racial hatred. No Soliciting to commit murder, and using threatening or abusive language likely to stir up racial hatred http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10413611
12 Michael Heaton 42 N/A N/A Yes Jailed for 30 months as he was found guilty on all four racial hatred charges that he faced No Soliciting to commit murder, and using threatening or abusive language likely to stir up racial hatred http://1millionunited.org/blogs/blog/2010/06/10/edl-two-face-charges-of-soliciting-murder/
13 Anthony Burn 47 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Three months imprisonment, suspended for 12 months with a four-week curfew No Faced charges of affray and unlawful violence at the Tyneside Irish Centre during a rival political meeting. The attack happened on September 22 last year, when the left-wing Socialist Workers’ Party were meeting at the centre on Gallowgate, Newcastle cit http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/evening-chronicle-news/2011/1...
14 Colin Burton 2 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Jailed for seven months No Faced charges of affray and unlawful violence at the Tyneside Irish Centre during a rival political meeting. The attack happened on September 22 last year, when the left-wing Socialist Workers’ Party were meeting at the centre on Gallowgate, Newcastle cit " "
14 Peter Duffy 43 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Jailed for 10 months No " " " "
15 Michael Garriock 22 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Jailed for eight months No " " " "
16 Barry Keddy 33 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Jailed for eight months No " " " "
17 Nicholas Mills 24 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Case was adjourned No " " " "
18 Alan Spence 25 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Jailed for seven months No " " " "
19 Steven Spence 26 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Jailed for eight months No " " " "
20 Colin Bell 35 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Three months imprisonment, suspended for 12 months with a four-week curfew No " " " "
21 Paul Starr 44 N/A 22-Sep-10 Yes Sentenced to four months imprisonment, suspended for 12 months, with a similar curfew No " " " "
22 Wayne Baldwin 41 Attended an EDL demonstration N/A Yes Fined ÂŁ180 with ÂŁ85 costs and ÂŁ15 victim surcharge No Pleaded guilty to using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour at Hanley Forest Park http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/news/court-EDL-gathering/article-1814557-detail/article.html
23 Anthony Cook 22 Attended an EDL demonstration N/A Yes Fined ÂŁ100 and told to pay ÂŁ55 costs. No Pleaded guilty to a charge of displaying some writing, sign or other visible representation which was racially aggravated " "
24 Jay Joseph Willis 30 Attended an EDL protest 09-Oct-10 Yes 11/10/2010; ordered not to attend any defence league or anti-Islamic gatherings of more than three people No Admitted obstructing a police officer in the execution of his duty and being in possession of a small quantity of cocaine http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/EDL-protest-arrests-face-court/story-12066505-detail/story.html
25 Lee Whitby N/A N/A N/A Yes Fined ÂŁ200 and ordered to pay a further ÂŁ200 in costs, as well as a ÂŁ15 victim surcharge No Found guilty of using racially aggravated abusive words http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1173828_men_fined_for_edl... http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1159175_edl_protest_in_manchester_as_it_happened
26 Kevin Greaves 30 An EDL supporter 07-Oct-09 Yes 15/10/2009; fined ÂŁ80, and ordered to pay another ÂŁ100 in costs and victim surcharge No Admitted public order offences of using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1173828_men_fined_for_edl... http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1159175_edl_protest_in_manchester_as_it_happened
27 James Crangle 30 An EDL supporter 07-Oct-09 Yes 15/10/2009; fined ÂŁ160, and ordered to pay another ÂŁ100 in costs and victim surcharge No Admitted public order offences of using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1173828_men_fined_for_edl... http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1159175_edl_protest_in_manchester_as_it_happened
28 David Monks 33 An EDL supporter 07-Oct-09 Yes 15/10/2009; fined ÂŁ80 plus ÂŁ95 in costs and a victim surcharge No Admitted public order offences of using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour
" " 34 An EDL supporter Apr-10 Yes 16/05/2011; was made subject to an electronically monitored curfew between 8pm and 6am for 91 days No Pleaded guilty to using threatening behaviour after he threw a punch while attending an English Defence League rally in Blackburn http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/blackburn/8980991.Three_plead_guilty_to_EDL_Blackburn_charges/
29 Kier McElroy 19 N/A N/A Yes 23/03/2010; 16-month imprisonment No Carried out a racially aggravated assault when a mob went on the rampage in Luton, attacked a young Asian man in a shop doorway in Chapel Street, hitting him across the head with a placard he was holding http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/districtnews/districtatog/9028989.Curfew_for_man_who_threw_punch/
30 Scott Buchan 23 N/A Feb-10 Yes Fined ÂŁ500 No Breaching of the peace in Edinburgh http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/9029661.Five_in_court_after_Blackburn_EDL_rally/?ref=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
31 Ashley Wilson 24 Said to victim, "I am EDL" suggesting he supports their cause N/A Yes 26/09/2010; ordered to carry 100 hours of unpaid work and to pay ÂŁ165 compensation and 85 in cost No Smashed a glass pane at the Spice Club restaurant in Eastover and threatened to cut the waiters' faces because they served Halal meat http://www.hizb.org.uk/news-watch/edl-supporter-threatened-waiter-because-restaurant-served-halal-meat
32 Daniel John Buckley 27 An EDL protester N/A Yes Eight-week prison sentence suspended for 12 months and ordered to attend a course to address his alcohol problem No Admitted racially aggravated harassment and obstructing a police officer http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Suspended-term-EDL-protester/story-12069038-detail/story.html
33 Arthur Disbury N/A A well known EDL activist N/A No (for one crime) but Yes (for another) Four year custodial sentence Yes; https://twitter.com/dizzy99 Found not guilty of conspiracy to supply heroin to serving prisoners but was found guilty of conspiracy to supply cannabis and was given a four year custodial sentence http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/1480/nick-griffin-and-the-drug-smuggler
34 John Kavanagh 22 Attended an EDL demonstration N/A Yes Eight weeks No Caused criminal damage during an EDL demonstration http://www.leics.police.uk/news/4919_man_sentenced_to_8_weeks_imprisonment/
35 Rocky Lee Beale 19 N/A 07-Mar-10 No 8/03/2010; but given a conditional discharge for 18 months after pleading guilty No Raided a supermarket http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/efnews/5066920.BUCKHURST_HILL__No_jail...
" " " " " " 24-Mar-11 Yes 28/09/2011; three-and-a-half years in a young offenders’ institution No The gang shattered the windows of Redbridge Islamic Centre, Eastern Avenue, before trying to storm their way inside while taunting worshippers with sickening chants. http://www.london24.com/news/court/redbridge_mosque_attackers_jailed_by_judg... http://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news/news/six_due_in_court_today_over_redbridge_mosque_attack_1_848514
36 Harry Deluca 16 N/A 24-Mar-11 Yes 28/09/2011; was given a two-year detention and training order No " " " "
37 Elliot Jones 19 N/A 24-Mar-11 Yes 28/09/2011; three-and-a-half years in a young offenders’ institution No " " " "
38 Matthew Stephenson 19 N/A 25-Mar-11 Yes 28/09/2011; three-and-a-half years in a young offenders’ institution No " " " "
39 Scott Bailey 23 Attended an EDL march 17-Jul-10 Yes 31/05/2011; imprisoned, time unknown No Guilty to charges of affray at the EDL demonstration in Stafford Street car park, Dudley. Accused of throwing a fence at the police while at an EDL protest http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2011/04/07/edl-protester-starts-jail-term-for-affray/
40 Thomas Blackwell 25 Attended an EDL march 17-Jul-10 Yes 31/05/2010; sentence to one year in prison No Guilty to charges of affray at the EDL demonstration in Stafford Street car park, Dudley http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2011/05/21/four-locked-up-over-affray-at-...
41 Anthony Grant 20 Attended an EDL march 17-Jul-10 Yes 31/05/2011; imprisoned, time unknown No Guilty to charges of affray at the EDL demonstration in Stafford Street car park, Dudley. Accused of throwing stones and large objects whle at an EDL protest http://www.stourbridgenews.co.uk/news/9042906.Teens_caged_for_EDL_demo_affray/
42 Adrian Britton 39 Attended an EDL march 17-Jul-10 Yes 31/05/2011; jailed for 15 months No Guilty to charges of affray at the EDL demonstration in Stafford Street car park, Dudley " "
43 Daniel Holmes 26 Attended an EDL march 17-Jul-10 Yes 31/05/2011; sentenced to 12 months No Guilty to charges of affray at the EDL demonstration in Stafford Street car park, Dudley " "
44 James Everard 20 Attended an EDL march 17-Jul-10 Yes 31/05/2011; imprisoned for nine months No " " " "
45 Jake Hill 19 Attended an EDL march 17-Jul-10 Yes 31/05/2011; imprisoned for five months No " " " "
46 Robert Gavin Tromans 29 Protested at an EDL march Apr-10 Yes 16/05/2011; was remanded on bail for the preparation of a pre-sentence report with a warning a custodial sentence could not be ruled out No Attacked a horse as the police formed a mounted cordon to control a crowd and pleaded guilty to using threatening behaviour http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/blackburn/8980991.Three_plead_guilty_to_EDL_Blackburn_charges/
47 Lisa Swales 27 Protested at an EDL march Apr-10 Yes 16/05/2011; she was sentenced to 12 weeks in prison, suspended for 12 months, made subject to community supervision for 12 months with a condition she attends the stop binge drinking programme No Pleaded guilty to assaulting a police officer during the rally. She suddenly lunched forward and grabbed his testicles http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/districtnews/districtatog/9028989.Curfew_for_man_who_threw_punch/
48 Thomas James Ferguson 22 Protested at an EDL march Apr-10 Yes 16/05/2011; was jailed for 28 days No Pleaded guilty to using threatening behaviour after being ordered to leave the rally. He was drunk, became abusive and swung a punch at an officer before he was arrested.
Ferguson also pleaded guilty to theft from a shop and two offences of failing to an http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/9029661.Five_in_court_after_Blackburn_EDL_rally/?ref=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
49 Patrick Joseph Doyle 48 Protested at an EDL march Apr-10 Yes 16/05/2011, description of sentence not found No Pleaded guilty to assaulting a police officer in the execution of his duty. He had caught the officer on the temple and knocked his helmet off " "
50 Ian Brazier 26 03-Mar-12 Yes 04/07/2012; spared jailed but he received a six-week sentence, suspended for 18 months, and ordered to complete a diversity awareness course plus 250 hours of unpaid work in the community and pay ÂŁ100 compensation No Charged with racially aggravated assault because he ripped off a Muslim woman's veil in a shopping centre because he thought she was "just another illegal immigrant" http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/07/04/man-spared-jail-ian-brazier-muslim-woman-veil-shopping-centre-solihull-farhana-chughtai_n_1648794.html
51 Anthony Donald Smith 24 Claimed membership to the EDL 16-Nov-10 Yes 10/10/2011; year-long sentence No Attacked the Nasir mosque in Hartlepool, spraying the letters EDL and NEI (North East Infidels) along with the slogan "no surrender" and images of poppies and the St George flag on the eve of the Muslim festival of Eid. Also sprayed similar graffiti on a http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13365182 http://www.obv.org.uk/news-blogs/former-edl-members-jailed-racist-attacks
52 Steven James Vasey 31 Claimed membership to the EDL 16-Nov-10 Yes 10/10/2011; year-long sentence No " " http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13365182 http://www.obv.org.uk/news-blogs/former-edl-members-jailed-racist-attacks
53 Charlotte Davies 19 Claimed membership to the EDL 16-Nov-10 Yes 10/10/2011; was given a 12-week sentence, suspended for a year, and 200 hours’ unpaid work No " " http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/8998509.Three_in_court_over_alleged_racist_graffiti/?ref=rss
54 David Jared Evans 36 Texted the TDL at the time of offense N/A Yes 06/12/2010; received a 36 week prison sentence, suspended for a year and 200 hours unpaid work and attend an offending behaviour programme run by the probation service specifically to address his racially motivated behaviour No Was abusive and threatening to two British Muslims outside Wrexham’s new mosque and threatened to burn it down. He also sent texts to people suggesting a visit to the mosque in the former Miner’s Institute and a demonstration and said flare throwers made http://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/93319/wrexham-man-in-custody-after-incident-at-mosque.aspx
55 George Blythe 36 N/A 29-Mar-10 and 31-Mar-2010 Yes Jailed for eight months No Blythe pleaded guilty to possession of a class B drug with intent to supply http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/family_drugs_factory_busted_1_3037279?commentssort=0&commentspage=12
56 Unknown 17-year-old youth 17 N/A 09-Jul-10 Yes 27/05/2011; ordered to carry out 100 hours of unpaid community work after carrying out a religiously aggravated attack No Found guilty of assaulting off-duty Muslim police officer PC Rizwaan Chothia http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Shamed-Lincolnshire-teenager-guilty-attack-Muslim/story-12129027-detail/story.html
57 Christopher Chapman 22 Attended an EDL protest N/A Yes 14/03/2011; was handed a 12-week suspended prison sentence No Caused ÂŁ1,000 worth of damage to doors and windows at the Independent Arts Centre Fabrika, in Humberstone Gate and using threatening words and behaviour which caused people to fear for their safety http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/sentenced-parts-protest-disorder/article-3329798-detail/article.html
58 Andrew Millard 27 Attended an EDL protest N/A Yes 14/03/2011; was ordered to do 100 hours unpaid community work No Attempted to damage the arts centre with a large wooden pole " "
59 Ryan Stapleford 18 Attended an EDL protest N/A Yes 14/03/2011; was ordered to do 200 hours unpaid work in the Leicester community No Launched a "flying kick" on a Muslim man on the afternoon of the EDL demonstration in Leicester " "
60 Brian Mackey 19 Pledged allegiance to the EDL 05-Sep-10 No N/A No Pledged allegiance to far right group the English Defence League (EDL) during an onslaught of abuse aimed at Muslims leaving the Baithul Mamur Jame Masjid Mosque, in Baring Street http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/crime/racists_mosque_taunts_1_2984302?com...
61 Steven Dryden 24 Pledged allegiance to the EDL 05-Sep-10 No N/A No " " " "
62 Brian Bristow 37 Attended an EDL protest N/A Yes 13/10/2010; was fined £100 – though his time in custody was accepted in lieu of payment – and ordered to pay £85 court costs No Cannabis possession http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/EDL-protester-carrying-drugs/arti...
63 Christopher Wittwer 35 N/A May-10 Yes Jailed for ten months No Set up a controversial anti-paedophile website naming convicted child sex offenders last summer http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/regionalnews/Hooligans-sentenced-football-rivals-clash-city/article-3613259-detail/article.html
64 Neil Mitchell 42 N/A 06-Jan-11 Yes Banned from the shop for 12 months and ordered to pay Pounds 300 costs No Mitchell pleaded guilty to threatening behaviour and causing criminal damage but denied they were racially aggravated http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Lincoln-yob-denies-racist-friend-called-nig-nog/story-12737556-detail/story.html
65 Liam Wood N/A N/A N/A Yes Jailed six months suspended No Admitted possessing cocaine with the intent to supply
66 Daniel Parker 39 An EDL chanter N/A Yes 16/09/2011; jailed for eight months No Racially abusive at Barnsley Muslim Community Centre http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/main-section/edl_chanter_jailed_over_vile_abuse_1_3783364
67 John Parkin 26 Declared he was an EDL member N/A Yes Jailed for 10 months for being in breach of an earlier suspended sentence. Two charges of religiously aggravated public order offences. 52 week prison sentence, which in June of last year was suspended for two years, following an attack on his then partne No Threatened to blow up a mosque http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2012/01/05/judge-criticises-sentencing-powers-as-racist-escapes-tough-punishment-91466-30066272/#ixzz1l5X5mviL
68 Louise Leslie 41 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for 15 months No The event was believed to be a culmination of four weeks of tormenting. When the nine criminals together attacked two Turkish workers at the Manhattan Cafe. The gang are seen massing outside the takeaway, several of them gesticulating wildly as they yelle http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/gang-s-terrifying-racist-abuse-of-carlisle-takeaway-staff-1.922435?referrerPath=home
69 Michael Wilson 29 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for 30 months No " " http://www.cumberlandnews.co.uk/news/racism-must-not-be-allowed-to-flourish-in-carlisle-judge-tells-hate-gang-1.923732?referrerPath=news
70 Ian Bradshaw 26 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for 21 months No Was seen flicking a lighted cigarette into the shop and throwing a fizzy drinks can " "
71 William Ewings 43 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for 13 months No The event was believed to be a culmination of four weeks of tormenting. When the nine criminals together attacked two Turkish workers at the Manhattan Cafe. The gang are seen massing outside the takeaway, several of them gesticulating wildly as they yelle " "
72 Donna-Marie Beattie 22 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for 15 months No " " " "
73 Kerry Victoria Wilson 41 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for a year No Did not use racist language, but joined in by banging on the take-away window " "
74 CraigWilliam Mecalfe 31 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for 15 months No The event was believed to be a culmination of four weeks of tormenting. When the nine criminals together attacked two Turkish workers at the Manhattan Cafe. The gang are seen massing outside the takeaway, several of them gesticulating wildly as they yelle " "
75 Tracie Wilkinson 35 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for 15 months No " " " "
76 Rebecca Louise Wardle 24 N/A 20-May-11 Yes Jailed for 13 months No " " " "
77 Stefan Adamson 24 N/A 12-Aug-11 Yes 12-month community order with 80 hours unpaid work. He was ordered to pay ÂŁ25 compensation and ÂŁ300 in prosecution costs No Racially-aggravated common assault and racially-aggravated threatening behaviour http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/Offensive-taunts-directed-teenagers/story-15164951-detail/story.html
78 John McAndrew 29 N/A N/A Yes Jailed for 14 months for affray and common assault, was given a five-year conviction relation ASBO No Threw large stones into a busy road and then he following was arrested for assaulting two men at an EDL demonstration against a mosque and cultural center in Green Lane, Dagenham http://www.yellowad.co.uk/news.cfm?id=7337&headline=Man+served+with+CRASBO+for+actions+at+EDL+protests
79 Michael Currie 28 Attended a EDL protest Aug-10 Yes 16-month prison sentence and a further eight months for other matters including a breahing a suspended sentence order Yes; https://twitter.com/gybmousecurrie He was caught on camera throwing lumps of brick or concrete at police lines during violent clashes at an English Defence League protest in Bradford city centre. He pleaded guilty to a charge of affray and was given a 16-month prison sentence for that offe http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/local/localbrad/9568058.Man_jailed_after_Bradford_EDL_protest/r/?ref=rss
80 Charlies Dickie 23 N/A N/A Yes 06/03/11; ÂŁ70 fine for other offences, but waved the fine in lieu of the time Dickie spent in custody No Charged with making religiously-aggravated threats. Pleaded guilty to possession of cannabis and to smashing a police phone while in custody. http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/english-defence-league-member-denies-muslim-slur-to-taxi-driver-1-3591156
81 Jamie Takle 22 N/A 24-Dec-11 Yes Suspended jail sentence and tagging order No Had abused several Asian taxi drivers on the night of Christmas Eve. Faced three counts of racially aggravated harassment, one of racially aggravated criminal damage and one of harassment http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Drinker-racially-abused-taxi-driver/story-15455235-detail/story.html
82 John Foster 18 N/A N/A Yes 30/03/12; 15 months in a young offenders' institute for wounding and racially affravated assault No Attacked two teenagers which was result of heightened racial tensions in Thornhill Lees. Two of the defendants, Josh Foster and Jordan Williams, were seeking revenge after being beaten up by a group of Asian males in October http://www.dewsburyreporter.co.uk/news/local/more-local-news/four-locked-up-for-slashing-teen-in-thornhill-lees-1-4399235
83 Jordan Williams 18 N/A N/A Yes 30/03/12; 18 months in a young offenders' institute for wounding, racially aggravated assault and possessing an offensive weapon No Attacked two teenagers which was result of heightened racial tensions in Thornhill Lees. Two of the defendants, Josh Foster and Jordan Williams, were seeking revenge after being beaten up by a group of Asian males in October, Williams hit one of the teena " "
84 Melvin Watts 19 N/A N/A Yes 30/03/12; Five years in a young offenders' institute for wounding with intent and possessing an offensive weapon No Attacked two teenagers which was result of heightened racial tensions in Thornhill Lees, Watts slashed one of them across the face. " "
85 Dave Oakley 21 N/A N/A Yes 30/03/12; 18 months in a young offenders' institute for wounding and racially aggravated assault No Attacked two teenagers which was result of heightened racial tensions in Thornhill Lees " "
86 Peter Briggs 19 Performed a Nazi salute and unveiled an English Defence League flag at a football match N/A Yes 05/04/12; Banned from attending any football ground or any regulated UK matches in the UK for three years. Has to surrender his passport so he cannot go to any games being played outside the UK. Cannot be in the Sincil Bank area during the two hours befor No Was associated with several violent flare-ups at football matches between 2009 and February 2012, Briggs was involved in clashes at Grimsby Town, Notts County and in Lincoln High Street when on 24/07/10, the Imps played Celtic. Five people were taken to h http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Football-hooligan-banned-Nazi-salute-Lincoln-City/story-15782238-detail/story.html
87 Alfie Wallace 19 N/A 21-Nov-10 Yes 12 months in a young offenders' institution for religiously aggravated criminal damage and violent disorder No Attacked the Kingston Mosque, bacon was strewn over the building in November, 2010 http://www.cps.gov.uk/london/press_releases/three_men_convicted_for_attack_on_kingston_mosque/
88 Martin Pottle 24 N/A 21-Nov-10 Yes 14 months in prison for religiously aggravated criminal damage and violent disorder No " " http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/kingstonnews/9675578.Thugs_who_attacked_Kingston_Mosque_are_jailed/
89 David Morris 21 N/A 21-Nov-10 Yes Six months imprisonment for racially aggravated criminal damage No " " " "
90 Shane Martin 18 06-Nov-11 Yes Wimprisoned for eight months after he pleaded guilty to having an offensive weapon and threatening behaviour No Armed with a martial arts weapon threatened visitors and staff at South Tyneside’s hospital maternity unit after being refused entry in the early hours of the morning http://www.jarrowandhebburngazette.com/news/crime/teen-yob-threatened-staff-...
" " 04-Jun-11 Yes Must be supervised by the probation service for 12 months, carry out 250 hours’ unpaid work and must pay £375 to the owners of the cars they damaged No Smashed three cars after a house party, causing £1,400 damage http://www.jarrowandhebburngazette.com/news/crime/wreckers_made_to_pay_for_damage_to_cars_1_3957371
91 Kevin Jenkins 45 N/A 16-Jan-10 No Jenkins was given bail on the condition that he does not contact the victim, would stand trial at a later date No Admitted sexually assaulting a 14-year-old girl on a bus in Bristol http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Hooligan-admits-sex-assault-girl-14/story-11291946-detail/story.html
92 Bernard Holmes 26 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; 18 months in prison and given a five year CRASBO No Attacked the home of Lancashire MEP Sajjiad Karim and various public order offences including racially aggravated provocation of violence, having an offensive weapon and threatening behaviour http://www.clitheroeadvertiser.co.uk/news/local-news/twelve-plead-guilty-over-edl-disturbances-in-brierfield-1-4488736
93 Leonard Hawley 47 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; sentenced to 37 weeks in prison No " " http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-17838415
94 David Wilson 47 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; senetnced to 37 weeks in prison No " " http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/edl-man-in-court-drama-1-4606372
95 Jason Smith 43 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; sentenced to 37 weeks in prison No " " http://www.lancashire.police.uk/news/eleven-sentenced-for-public-order-offences-following-disorder-in-brierfield
96 David Garrett 45 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; admitted to having an offensive weapon (a chisel) sentenced ti 47 weeks in prison No " " http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/edl-protest-leaves-girl-8-terrified-1-4488597
97 Leanne Thorton 26 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; pleaded not giulty to violent disorder but admitted using threatening behaviour No " " " "
98 Graham Smith 48 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; sentenced to 100-hours community service and given a 16-week custodial senetnce, suspended for two years No " " " "
99 Paul Blundell 45 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; failed to appear for sentencing No " " " "
100 John English 24 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; sentenced to 100-hours community service and given a 16-week custodial senetnce, suspended for two years No " " " "
BNP/EDL Criminal Convictions continued:-
101 Martin Corner 31 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; sentenced to a 12-month supervision order, a 13-week curfew and given a 16-week prison sentence, suspended for two years No " " " "
102 Jordan Lonsdale 20 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; sentenced to a 12-month supervision order, a 13-week curfew and given a 16-week prison sentence, suspended for two years No " " " "
103 Paul Jackson 41 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; given 150-hour community service and a 16-week prison sentence, suspended for two years No " " " "
104 Myles Davies N/A Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 No N/A No A warrant was issued for arrest after he failed to appear in court for trial http://www.lancashire.police.uk/news/eleven-sentenced-for-public-order-offences-following-disorder-in-brierfield
105 Blaise Silvester 21 N/A N/A Yes Was given a 12-month community order and told to do 100 hours of unpaid work in the community. He also had to wear an electronic tag and stay at home everyday from 9pm to 6am for two months No Attacked peace protesters at a demonstration outside the Jami Mosque in Victoria Road North, Southsea http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/law-and-order/portsmouth-mosque-protest-thug-told-to-do-more-unpaid-work-1-3262364
106 Daniel Smith 39 N/A 26-Aug-11 Yes 05/11: sentenced to nine years in prison No Pleaded guilty to charges of burglary, common assault, possessing an offensive weapon and making threats to kill. Smith hurled racist abuse at a family living near him in Victoria Road, Thornhill Lees. He attacked their front door with a knife and eventua http://www.dewsburyreporter.co.uk/news/local/more-local-news/man-admits-threatening-to-kill-thornhill-lees-family-during-home-attack-1-4586151
107 Gary Wellings 29 Arrested during an EDL protest 30-Jun-12 Yes 11/07/12; was given a 12 month conditional discharge and ordered to pay ÂŁ85 costs No Was convicted of using threatening words or behaviour to cause harassment, alarm or distress whilst at the EDL protest http://www.dewsburyreporter.co.uk/news/local/more-local-news/two-in-court-after-dewsbury-edl-demo-1-4735009
108 Kevin Smith 53 Arrested during an EDL protest 30-Jun-12 Yes 11/07/12; must pay a ÂŁ150 fine, ÂŁ85 costs and a ÂŁ15 victim surcharge after he admitted possessing mephedrone. A drug forfeiture and destruction order was also made No " " " "
109 Shaun Burns 19 N/A May-11 Yes 22/03/12; walked out of court with another suspended term, this time for 16 weeks suspended for a year, with 100 hours unpaid work, £350 costs and £520 compensation No Earlier this year father–of-five Muhammed Hussain, from Preston, told how he feared for his life after Burns, his partner Bryanne-Serrita Langham, 22, and friend Callum Tennant, 20, launched a racist attack on him before threatening to “take him down a si http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/outrage-as-lout-who-flouts-sentence-still-avoids-prison-1-4758152
110 Raymond Strachan 21 Member of SDL Jul-11 Yes 17/07/12; was convicted of breaching the 1986 Public Order Act and was sentenced to 200 hours of community service Yes; he did have a facebook page Used the social networking site to promote his support of fascist group the Scottish Defence League. Strachan visited various pages on Facebook and left various messages on them in an attempt to stir up racial hatred http://news.stv.tv/scotland/111304-sdl-member-posted-racist-messages-on-facebook-as-he-promoted-group/
111 David Lee Matthews 23 Chanted the EDL name N/A Yes Awaiting sentence No He approached Charlotte Allison, who he knew and singed her hair with a cigarette lighter. He then hurled racial abuse at an Asian man nearby. He chanted the name of the English Defence League and yelled: “I am racist and proud of it.” http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2012/04/14/dewsbury-man-david-lee-matthews-set-fire-to-woman-s-hair-86081-30755316/#ixzz21aIlmFBA
112 Stefan Davis 21 N/A N/A Yes Imprisoned for ten months and told not to go within 200 metres of the family's newsagents in Bulwell for five years No Admitted racially aggravated harassment and using threatening words or behaviour. The men subjected a "decent and hardworking" Asian family to a torrent of abuse http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/Racial-abuse-pair-banned-Bulwell-newsagents-years/story-16760073-detail/story.html
113 Kelvin Barratt 25 N/A N/A Yes Imprisoned for ten months and told not to go within 200 metres of the family's newsagents in Bulwell for five years No Admitted racially aggravated harassment and using threatening words or behaviour. Barratt additionally pleaded guilty to having a knife. The men subjected a "decent and hardworking" Asian family to a torrent of abuse " "
114 Matthew Berryman 28 Attended an EDL demonstration 10-Nov-12 Yes 27/10/12; He was ordered to pay a ÂŁ150 fine, a ÂŁ20 victim surcharge and ÂŁ85 prosecution costs No Pleaded guilty to using threatening words or behaviour at the the EDL demo on November 10 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-20525129
115 Barry Stanbury 42 EDL member 05-Mar-12 Yes Magistrates sentenced him to 80 hours unpaid work, ÂŁ100 compensation and pay ÂŁ150 costs No Stanbury launched drunken attack on Exeter mosque after watching Libya news report http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/Man-launched-drunken-attack-Exeter-mosque/stor...
" " " " " " 13-Nov-10 Yes Sentetenced to eight weeks in prison, suspended for a year and ordered to complete 40 hours of unpaid work in the community No Used abusive or insulting words or behaviour with intent to cause of fear of violence towards a Police officer http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Man-pointed-knife-PC-row/story-11664113-detail/story.html
116 Kenneth Holden 30 EDL supporter N/A Yes He was given a 12-month community order with supervision and was ordered to pay ÂŁ60 compensation to his grandfather and ÂŁ160 court costs for both cases No A former soldier, wrote anti-Islamic comments on his Facebook page after he started supporting the English Defence League (EDL). Holden pleaded guilty to two counts of sending an offensive message by a public communication network http://www.jarrowandhebburngazette.com/news/crime/ex-soldier-s-anti-muslim-rants-on-facebook-1-4983990
117 Jak Beasley 23 Links' with EDL 10-Dec-11 Yes Was fined ÂŁ455 and ordered to pay ÂŁ515 costs No They were found guilty in August of shouting a highly inflammatory religious chant at Middlesbrough railway station http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2012/09/15/race-abuse-group-ordered-to-pay-6-000-84229-31840511/#ixzz26ft2q7nD
118 Ross Williams 23 Links' with EDL 10-Dec-11 Yes Was fined ÂŁ420 and ordered to pay ÂŁ515 costs No " " " "
119 Christopher Caswell 32 Links' with EDL 10-Dec-11 Yes Was fined ÂŁ455 and ordered to pay ÂŁ515 costs No " " " "
120 Paul Ross 48 Links' with EDL 10-Dec-11 Yes Was fined ÂŁ525 and ordered to pay ÂŁ515 costs No " " " "
121 Dean Spence 23 Links' with EDL 10-Dec-11 Yes Was fined ÂŁ455 and ordered to pay ÂŁ515 costs No " " " "
122 Shaun Bunting 33 Links' with EDL 10-Dec-11 Yes Was fined ÂŁ420 and ordered to pay ÂŁ515 costs No " " " "
123 Kevin Carroll Unknown Founder and deputy leader Yes 10/03/2010 - Fined ÂŁ330. Yes - Facebook Public figure page / party twitter Hurled abuse Muslims at a soldier's homecoming parade. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-10731035
Kevin Carroll Unknown Founder and deputy leader 09/11/2011 Yes 09/11/2011 - Held for 3 days, fined ÂŁ2300 plus ÂŁ300 court costs. Yes - Facebook Public figure page / party twitter Got on roof of FIFA HQ; demanded players should be able to wear poppies on shirts. http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/local/edl_members_fined_over_rooftop_protes...
Kevin Carroll Unknown Founder and deputy leader 20/10/2012 On bail Yes - Facebook Public figure page / party twitter Arrested driving home, part of police arrest of 53 EDL supporters on conspiracy to cause public nuisance (gather). http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-20033157
124 Allan Hetherington-Cleverly / Allan Guy Gallop Unknown Supporter 1/04/2004, 30/05/2004 Yes ??/02/2005 - Jailed for 4 years. Yes - Facebook account; screenshot of activities: http://i.imgur.com/ga3K0.png Smuggled illegal Chinese immigrants across the Channel on a speedboat. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4257495.stm, http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/165962
125 Tracey Hurley 33 Supporter 25/06/2010 Yes 20/01/2011 - Fined ÂŁ150, ÂŁ200 court costs, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. No Subjected non-white train passengers to racist abuse and derogatory remarks. http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/edl-supporters-fined-for-on-train.html
126 Stuart Parr 28 Supporter 25/06/2010 Yes 20/01/2011 - Fined ÂŁ150, ÂŁ200 court costs, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. No Subjected non-white train passengers to racist abuse and derogatory remarks. http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/edl-supporters-fined-for-on-train.html
127 Kevin Smith Unknown Supporter 29/05/2010 Yes 09/07/2010 - 8-week suspended sentence. Yes - Facebook Put a pig's head on the wall of a mosque. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/09/english-defence-league-super-mosque , FACEBOOK: http://www.blottr.com/breaking-news/edl-member-makes-threats-ahead-walsall-demo
128 Cameron Schofield 17 Supporter 22/04/2010 Yes 08/12/2010 - Life sentence for murder, minimum of 11 years behind bars. Yes - Facebook: the confrontation was about bad-tasted comments Schofield posted on it. Stabbed and killed 17 year-old boy when he intervened in a confrontation between Schofield and his mother. http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/8728518.Murderer_stabbed_teenager_six_ti... , http://twitpic.com/3w7dup
129 Josh Morris 19 Suspected supporter 13/02/2011 Yes 05/01/2012 - 3 years at a young offenders institute. No Stole paraffin, and used it to set fire to a mosque. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-16429338
130 James Smith 19 Suspected supporter 13/02/2011 Yes 05/01/2012 - 3 years at a young offenders institute. No Stole paraffin, and used it to set fire to a mosque. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-16429338
131 James Everley 19 Suspected supporter 13/02/2011 Yes 05/01/2012 - 3 years at a young offenders institute. No Stole paraffin, and used it to set fire to a mosque. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-16429338
132 Gareth Mooney Unknown Supporter 09/10/2010 Bailed No further information. No Addmitted to kicking a shop window during an EDL protest; this instigated further attacks by protesters. http://www.iengage.org.uk/component/content/article/1-news/1291-edl-supporter-admits-causing-criminal-damage-during-leicester-rally
133 Bryan Kelso 28 Supporter 24/10/2010 Yes 03/08/2011 - 14-day curfew, ÂŁ425 penalty. No A fight broke out between the EDL and anti-fascists outside of the Israeli Embassy; he overturned a table and grabbed a police officer's genitals. http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/streathamnews/9180491.English_Defence_League_fighters_get_two_week_curfew/
134 Christopher Long 37 Supporter 24/10/2010 Yes 03/08/2011 - 14-day curfew, ÂŁ425 penalty. No A fight broke out between the EDL and anti-fascists outside of the Israeli Embassy; he kicked over a table with a Qur'an on; fought with an Asian man. http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/streathamnews/9180491.English_Defence_League_fighters_get_two_week_curfew/
135 Ian Logan Unknown Referred to the EDL in a racist rant 28/02/2011 Yes 15/03/2011 - Fined ÂŁ190 for each offence, ÂŁ85 costs, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. No Punched a police officer after being arrested for shouting racial obscenities whilst drunk. http://www.theadvertiserseries.co.uk/news/darlington/8912851.Racist_rant_lands_man_with___380_fine/
136 Collum Keyes 23 Supporter 01/05/2010 Yes 17/12/2010 - Fined ÂŁ150, ÂŁ85 court costs, CRASBO restricting protests until 2020, propaganda restriction. No Disorderly conduct during an EDL demonstration. http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/newsevents/newsevents-pressreleases/newsevents-pressreleases-item.htm?id=160275
137 Daryl Hobson Unknown Senior member / leader 01/05/2010 Yes 08/11/2010 - Fined ÂŁ100, ÂŁ400 court costs. Yes - Facebook Threatening and abusive behaviour towards several police officers from his car, on the way to an EDL rally. http://www.bucksherald.co.uk/news/local-news/aylesbury-judge-rejects-appeal-... , FACEBOOK: http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/edl-random-quote-generator/12-news/the-leadership
138 Richard Price Unknown Senior member / co-ordinator of W.Mids Divison 2009 Yes ??/06/2010 - Put on Sex Offenders, 3-year community supervision, banned from owning a computer for one year. No House searched: Computer seized, where indecent images of children were found on it; two charges of possessing cocaine. http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/01/471527.html
139 Richard Price Unknown Senior member / co-ordinator of W.Mids Divison 01/05/2010 Yes 17/12/2010 - 12-week prison sentence, fined ÂŁ150, CRASBO restricting protests until 2020, propaganda restriction. No Threatening behaviour during an EDL demonstration. http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/newsevents/newsevents-pressreleases/newsevents-pressreleases-item.htm?id=160275
140 Mark Alan Taylor 39 Supporter 09/10/2010 Yes No date - Conditional discharge (not to attend any EDL or anti-Islamic gatherins of more than 3 people), ÂŁ50 court costs. Threatening and abusive behaviour during an EDL protest. http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/EDL-protest-arrests-face-court/story-12066505-detail/story.html
141 Jay Joseph Willis 30 Supporter 09/10/2010 Bailed No further information. No Obstructed a police officer during his duty, and was in possession of cocaine at an EDL rally. http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/EDL-protest-arrests-face-court/story-12066505-detail/story.html
142 Unknown Supporter 09/10/2010 Yes 09/05/2011 - Fined ÂŁ225, ÂŁ85 court costs, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. Yes - Facebook Swore at a policeman during an EDL protest. http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/EDL-man-fined-swearing-officer/story-1... , FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/slatedl/posts/336929783025368?comment_id=4188430&offset=0&total_comments=10
143 Martyn Harris 24 Supporter 23/04/2010 Yes 21/06/2010 - No information about sentencing; plead guilty to public order offence. No Threatening and abusive behaviour during an EDL 'hijack' of a St. George's Day parade; accused of hitting a police officer. http://www.uxbridgegazette.co.uk/west-london-news/local-uxbridge-news/2010/06/30/anti-islamic-group-blamed-for-st-george-s-day-riot-in-ruislip-113046-26759981/
144 Lee Howarth 24 Supporter 10/10/2009 Yes 23/12/2009 - Fined ÂŁ100. Yes - Facebook. Swore at, and threatened, a policeman during an EDL protest. http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/edl-yob-fined-for-swearing-at-pol... , FACEBOOK: http://twicsy.com/i/7uK3Z
145 Simon Kirkpatrick 39 Sold alcohol to EDL supporters 20/03/2010 Yes 22/02/2011 - Fined ÂŁ625 court costs, lost pub licence. No Opened his pub and sold alcohol to EDL supporters before a protest, despite Police warning him days before that he could not trade before 11am. http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/8867428.Landlord_who_served_EDL_loses_his_licence/
146 Ryan Herbert Unknown Supporter 09/10/2010 Yes ??/03/2011 - 12-week prison sentence. No Caused damage to the windows of a bar during EDL protests. http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/2011/3/18/edl-supporter-sentenced-to-12-weeks-imprisonment.html
147 Hayley Wells 26 Deputy south west regional co-ordinator 13/09/2010, 24/09/2010 Yes 19/03/2011 - 2-year conditional discharge, ordered to pay full compensation. No Sold a laptop and an iPad on eBay, and took the money without sending the items. http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/Mum-cashed-bogus-eBay-sales/story-11675181-d... , http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/latest-news/311-hayley-wells-exposed
148 Simon Beech 23 Supporter 03/12/2010 Yes 08/12/2011 - 10-year prison sentence. Yes - Facebook Set fire to a mosque in retaliation to poppy-burnings on Armistice Day http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/uk_national_news/9410313.Pair_jailed_for_... , FACEBOOK: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lirwsrtHfb1qebzux.jpg
149 Garreth Foster 28 Supporter 03/12/2010 Yes 08/12/2011 - 10-year prison sentence. No Set fire to a mosque in retaliation to poppy-burnings on Armistice Day http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/uk_national_news/9410313.Pair_jailed_for_...
150 David Morris 21 EDL chants shouted 21/11/2010 Yes 27/04/2012 - 6-month prison sentence. No Part of an attack on a mosque; gang shouted EDL chants. http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/kingstonnews/9675578.Thugs_who... , http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/kingstonnews/9615136.Man_snapped_near_mosque_not_planning_attack__court_hears/
151 Martin Pottle 22 EDL chants shouted 21/11/2010 Yes 27/04/2012 - 14-months prison sentence. No Part of an attack on a mosque; gang shouted EDL chants. http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/kingstonnews/9675578.Thugs_who... , http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/kingstonnews/9615136.Man_snapped_near_mosque_not_planning_attack__court_hears/
152 Alfie Wallace 18 EDL chants shouted 21/11/2010 Yes 27/04/2012 - 12-months in a Young Offenders Institution. No Part of an attack on a mosque; gang shouted EDL chants. http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/kingstonnews/9675578.Thugs_who... , http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/kingstonnews/9615136.Man_snapped_near_mosque_not_planning_attack__court_hears/
153 Unnamed 15-year-old 15 EDL chants shouted 24/03/2011 Yes 28/09/2011 - 2-year detention term. No Engaged in racist chanting; sought to damage a window and outside fence, outside of a mosque. http://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news/news/boy_15_loses_appeal_over_detention... , http://www.london24.com/news/court/redbridge_mosque_attackers_jailed_by_judge_1_1073690
154 Bernard Holmes Unknown Commander' in EDL 17/05/2009 Yes ??/02/2010 - 28-month prison sentence. Yes - Facebook Assaulted a man; the man had a brain injury, and has been badly affected by the attack. http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/5029714.print/ , http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165060/EDL-commander-organised-inti... , FACEBOOK: http://www.edlnews.co.uk/index.php/featured-stories/d
155 Brett Moses 37 EDL Hull Division ??/06/2005 Yes ??/05/2010 - 12-month suspended prison sentence. Yes - chat rooms Groomed a 13-year-old girl on internet chatroom, flew to meet her. , http://liveraf.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/paedophile-still-active-within-edl-leadership/
156 Daniel Groves 23 Was with EDL supporters 12/09/2010 Yes 21/04/2011 - 6-month suspended prison sentence, 18-months supervision, 3-month ban from all pubs and clubs, electronic tag. No Threw a bottle at Asians in a standoff between a group of EDL supporters and a group of Asians outside a pub. Denies he supports EDL. http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/2011/4/23/hooligan-avoids-jail-after-throwing-bottle-during-edl-protes.html
157 Andrew Baldwin Unknown Supporter 10/12/2010, 05/03/2011 Yes 28/04/2011 - Pleaded guilty, no information on sentencing. No Sprayed 'EDL' and a Chistian cross on a mosque. http://www.camdennewjournal.com/news/2011/apr/carer-wrote-edl-mosque-andrew-baldwin-guilty-damage-muslim-world-league-building-charl
158 John Walsh 25 Racially motivated 31/10/2010 Yes 13/12/2010 - 2-year community order, 150 hours community service, curfew. No Shouted abuse at a mosque and threatened to kick down the door; racially abused a shopkeeper. http://salfordonline.com/witnessappeal_page/24767-eccles_man_charged_ith_rac... , http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1390293_drunken_yob_who_threatened_to_burn_down_eccles_mosque_avoids_jail
159 Neil MacGregor Unknown Claimed to be member of National Front 30/01/2007 - 15/02/2007 Yes 06/04/2011 - 12-month prison sentence. No Contacted Police frequently, threatening to blow up Glasgow Central Mosque; also threatened to kill a muslim each day until all mosques in Scotland were closed. http://news.stv.tv/tayside/241885-proud-racist-ex-soldier-who-threatened-to-blow-up-glasgow-central-mosque-jailed/
160 Daniel Odling 26 Trialled alongside an EDL member - denied being a supporter 09/07/2010 Yes 16/05/2011 - Fined ÂŁ450, ÂŁ500 court costs, ÂŁ15 victims' surcharge. No Harassed and aggrivated a group of Muslims gathered to discuss the building of a mosque. http://www.gainsboroughstandard.co.uk/news/local-news/man-convicted-of-abusive-behaviour-1-3383859
161 Paul Pitt / Paul Prodromou Unknown Leader of Essex, Kent, Sussex divisions ??/05/2011 Yes Unknown date - Fined ÂŁ500, ÂŁ385 court costs, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. Yes - Facebook Caused harassment and distress outside of the US Embassy. http://www.edlnews.co.uk/index.php/12-news/the-leadership/131-paul-pitt , FACEBOOK: http://twitpic.com/6ldxrr
162 Antonia Claire Evans Unknown Attended EDL rally ??/11/2010 Yes 21/05/2011 - 51-week suspended prison sentence, 12-months probation supervision, psychiatric help, banned from owning dogs. No Attacked police officers during an EDL rally. http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/9041017.Woman_bit_police_officer_after_arrest/
166 Brian Mackey 19 Supporter 05/09/2010 Yes 17/02/2011 - 18-month community service, 4-month curfew. No Shouted racist abuse at Muslims leaving a mosque. http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/crime/racists_mosque_taunts_1_2984302?com... , http://www.jarrowandhebburngazette.com/news/crime/pair-spared-jail-for-mosque-abuse-1-3094181
167 Steven Dryden 24 Supporter 05/09/2010 Yes 17/02/2011 - 18-month community service, 4-month curfew. No Shouted racist abuse at Muslims leaving a mosque. http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/crime/racists_mosque_taunts_1_2984302?com... , http://www.jarrowandhebburngazette.com/news/crime/pair-spared-jail-for-mosque-abuse-1-3094181
168 Brian Bristow Unknown Supporter 09/10/2010 Yes 12/10/2010 - Fined ÂŁ100, ÂŁ85 court costs. No Was in possession of cannabis during an EDL protest. http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/EDL-protester-carrying-drugs/story-12071336-detail/story.html
169 Brian Bristow Unknown Supporter 24/10/2010 Yes 03/08/2011 - Fined ÂŁ825. No A fight broke out between the EDL and anti-fascists outside of the Israeli Embassy; he racially abused one of the men. http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/streathamnews/9180491.English_Defence_League_fighters_get_two_week_curfew/
170 Christopher Wittwer 35 Supporter ??/05/2010 Yes 31/05/2011 - 10-month prison sentence. Yes - Facebook Involved in a fight between rival football-team supporters. http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/Hooligans-sentenced-football-rivals-clash-ci... , FACEBOOK: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hVpEcudlNxg/TcEbugtvbYI/AAAAAAAAAlw/2VBAFPapzNI/s1600/chris_witter_1.gif
171 Neil Mitchell 42 Racial assault 06/01/2011 Yes 08/07/2011 - Banned from takeaway shop for 12-months, ÂŁ300 court costs. No Stormed into a takeway shop and threatened staff with a shovel whilst shouting racial slurs. http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Lincoln-yob-denies-racist-friend-called-... , http://lincolnshire-echo.vlex.co.uk/vid/man-banned-pizza-house-racial-slurs-325250043
172 Liam Wood Unknown Admin on LGBT division 2008 Yes Unknown date - suspended sentence Yes - Twitter and Facebook Was in possession of cocaine, believed to be with intent to supply. http://twitpic.com/5lr92d , http://www.thesleepingdogs.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=13436&start=0
173 Jonathan Cunningham Unknown Unknown 30/01/2010 Yes 25/06/2010 - 12-month prison sentence. No Assisted the building of homemade explosives. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7855025/Boy-made-nailbombs-with-chemicals-bought-on-eBay.html
174 Unnamed 16-year-old 16 Supporter, Nazi/Fascism enthusiast. 30/01/2010 Yes 25/06/2010 - 3-year controlling order, 3-month curfew, ban on explosive material, recording of internet use. No Built bombs and explosives from items bought off of the internet. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7855025/Boy-made-nailbombs-with-chemicals-bought-on-eBay.html
175 Nicolas Shelbourne Unknown Unknown 03/06/2010 Yes 28/01/2011 - 13-year minimum prison sentence. No Brutally murdered a young Aspergers sufferer, with three others. http://news.sky.com/story/832763/gang-of-four-jailed-for-sadistic-murder
176 Jordan O'Rouke Unknown Unknown 03/06/2010 Yes 28/01/2011 - 11-year youth detention order. No Brutally murdered a young Aspergers sufferer, with three others. http://news.sky.com/story/832763/gang-of-four-jailed-for-sadistic-murder
177 Daryll Jones Unknown Links to EDL 03/06/2010 Yes 28/01/2011 - 13-year youth detention order. No Brutally murdered a young Aspergers sufferer, with three others. http://news.sky.com/story/832763/gang-of-four-jailed-for-sadistic-murder ; http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/1078/killers-were-edl-supporters
178 Mark Jackson Unknown Links to EDL 03/06/2010 Yes 28/01/2011 - 13-year minimum prison sentence. No Brutally murdered a young Aspergers sufferer, with three others. http://news.sky.com/story/832763/gang-of-four-jailed-for-sadistic-murder ; http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/1078/killers-were-edl-supporters
179 Scott Whitehead 32 Supporter 11/12/2010 Yes 17/12/2010 - fined ÂŁ150, ÂŁ85 court costs, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. No Shouted abuse at mounted police officers, attempted to grab horses' reigns. http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/local/edl-protesters-fined-for-threats-to-police-1-2193622
180 James Black 22 Supporter 11/12/2010 Yes 17/12/2010 - fined ÂŁ150, ÂŁ85 court costs, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. No Threw a coin at mounted police offers at an EDL march. http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/local/edl-protesters-fined-for-threats-to-police-1-2193622
181 Jamie Knowlson 30 Racially motivated 09/01/2011 Yes 07/06/2011 - 6-month suspended sentence, 150-hours community service. No Stuffed ham inside Muslim worshippers' shoes, draped ham over mosque. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394864/Racist-filled-Muslims-shoes-ham-prayed-mosque-walks-free-court.html
182 Christopher Payne 25 Supporter 23/06/2011 Yes 21/07/2011 - 6-week suspended sentence, fined ÂŁ335, 100-hours community service. No Placed pigs head on site of proposed mosque, racist graffiti. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-14793880
183 Wayne Havercroft 41 Supporter 23/06/2011 Yes 21/07/2011 - fined ÂŁ585. No Placed pigs head on site of proposed mosque, racist graffiti. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-14793880
184 Nicholas Long 22 Supporter 23/06/2011 Yes 21/07/2011 - fined ÂŁ300. No Placed pigs head on site of proposed mosque, racist graffiti. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-14793880
185 Robert Parnham 20 Supporter 23/06/2011 Yes 21/07/2011 - fined ÂŁ300. No Placed pigs head on site of proposed mosque, racist graffiti. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-14793880
186 Aaron Muxlow Unknown Supporter 2011 Yes 20/10/2011 - 33-month prison sentence. No Series of racially-motivated verbal and physical attacks. http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News/Car-jacker-jailed-after-trying-to-slash-victims-neck-20102011.htm
187 Lee Preston 22 Supporter 16/04/2011 Yes 30/01/2012 - 18-month prison sentence. No Assaulted a taxi-driver. http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/story-15077603-detail/story.html?
188 Matthew Ryan 27 Racially motivated 20/05/2011 Yes 10/02/2012 - 10-month prison setence. No Racially abused two men at a take-away. http://www.cumberlandnews.co.uk/news/racism-must-not-be-allowed-to-flourish-in-carlisle-judge-tells-hate-gang-1.923732?referrerPath=news
189 Andrew Ryan 33 Supporter 20/05/2011 Yes 10/02/2012 - 18-month prison sentence. No Racially abused two men at a take-away. http://www.cumberlandnews.co.uk/news/racism-must-not-be-allowed-to-flourish-in-carlisle-judge-tells-hate-gang-1.923732?referrerPath=news
190 Andrew Ryan 33 Supporter 19/01/2011 Yes 18/04/2011 - 70-day prison sentence. No Borrowed a Qur'an from a library and burnt it in the street. http://www.cumberlandnews.co.uk/carlisle-man-burnt-koran-in-city-centre-in-p... ; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-13119241
191 John McAndrew 29 Supporter 11/03/2011, 18/06/2011 Yes 20/02/2012 - 14-month prison sentence, 5-year ASBO. No Threw stones in a busy road at an EDL rally; assaulted two men at a later EDL rally. http://www.london24.com/news/court/thug_banned_from_mosques_after_edl_attack... ; http://www.yellowad.co.uk/news.cfm?id=7337&headline=Man+served+with+CRASBO+for+actions+at+EDL+protests
192 Michael Coates 23 EDL supporter / North-West Infidels 1990s Yes 11/03/2002 - 6-year prison sentence, registered on the sex offenders registry. No Pleaded guilty to a total of eight charges of indecent assault and two of attempted rape for one girl; four offences of indecent assault for a second girl. http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/archive/2002/03/12/Bradford+District+A... ; http://nottingham.indymedia.org/articles/2498
193 Darren Conway 44 Racially motivated Yes 06/03/2012 - 12-month prison sentence. No Displayed anti-Islamic posters in his windows; grew cannabis. http://www.dinningtontoday.co.uk/news/local-news/racist-is-jailed-1-4323085
194 Laszlo Michael Lankovits Unknown Supporter 21/05/2012 Yes 06/06/2012 - fined ÂŁ180, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. No Racially abused an Asian Police officer. http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2012/06/07/ex-soldier-fined-for-racist-rant-at-asian-police-officer-in-huddersfield-86081-31129713/
195 Abdul Rafiq 41 Only Muslim 'member' of EDL 06/08/2011 Yes 17/11/2011 - fined ÂŁ600, 5-year football banning order. No Shouted sectarian phrases and breached the peace at a football game. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-15777852
196 Daniel Grant Unknown Supporter ??/12/2011 - ??/01/2012 Yes 23/05/2012 - 4-year prison sentence (minimum). No 6-week campaign of robbery and burglary armed with a meat cleaver. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/leeds-meat-cleaver-crime-spree-man-jailed-1-4579039
197 Shane Martin Unknown Supporter 04/06/2011 Yes 10/11/2011 - 6-month community order, 250-hours community service, 12-month probation. Yes - Facebook Smashed three cars after a house party. http://www.jarrowandhebburngazette.com/news/crime/wreckers_made_to_pay_for_d... ; http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/1341/the-guns-of-the-edl ; FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/shane.martin.92317121
198 John 'Snowy' Shaw Unknown Leads breakaway group, 'Infidels' ??/02/2012 Yes 27/06/2012 - 12-week suspended sentence, 200-hours community service, ÂŁ3,050.40 court costs, 10-year ban on keeping animals. No Left his llamas to starve in a field over winter. http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/cxf-and-the-infidels/771-infidels-leader-john-snowy-shaw-left-llamas-to-starve?COLLCC=3906673661&
199 Jacob Hyland Unknown Supporter 2010 Yes 15/11/11 - restraining order. Yes - Facebook Made abusive phonecalls to a non-white man. http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/two-nazi-edl-thugs-in-portsmouth-... ; FACEBOOK: http://portsmouthnaziwatch.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/baby-faced-nazi-in-dock.html
200 Anthony Crawford 22 Supporter 04/06/2012 Yes 04/07/2012 - 15-week suspended sentence, 100-hours community service, 12-month supervision order, ÂŁ150 victim surcharge. No Threw a firecracker at someone attending an anti-jubilee protest. http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/evening-chronicle-news/2012/0... ; http://tyneandwear.sky.com/news/article/23965?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150896516170544_22063273_10150896535860544#f22e09a2d4
201 Kevin Smith 53 Supporter 30/06/2012 Yes 11/07/2012 - ÂŁ150 fine, ÂŁ85 court costs, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. No Threatening behaviour at an EDL protest; in possession of drugs. http://www.dewsburyreporter.co.uk/news/local/more-local-news/two-in-court-after-dewsbury-edl-demo-1-4735009
202 Steven Crispin 23 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 16/07/2012 - 3-month prison sentence. Yes - Facebook Attacked a Muslim man and broke his jaw at an EDL ralley. http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/article/2364/hope-not-hate-secure-edl-con... ; http://www.mpacuk.org/story/200611/mpacuk-press-release-edls-vicious-attack-... ; FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/steve.d.crisp
203 Bryanne-Serrita Langham 22 Racially motivated ??/12/2011 Yes Unknown date - ÂŁ100 fine, ÂŁ84.50 compensation, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge, ÂŁ40 court costs. No Launched a racist attack on a taxi driver; damaged the taxi. http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/outrage-as-lout-who-flouts-sentence-still-avoids-prison-1-4758152
204 James Lee Elliott 20 Supporter ??/10/2011 Bailed No further information. No Headbutted a man at an anti-racism music festival; restrained arrest, attacked Police officers. http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Drunk-EDL-supporter-butted-man-festival/story-16535560-detail/story.html#axzz2KjLV63ZN
205 David Champion Unknown Member of the Welsh Defence League N/A Yes 06/08/2012 - 12-month prison sentence. No Kicked their daughter's black boyfriend and hit her; later attacked her again. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19153001#story_continues_1 ; http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4474656/Teen-girl-beaten-by-dad-for-dating-black-boy.html
206 Frances Champion Unknown Racially motivated N/A Yes 06/08/2012 - 9-month prison sentence. No Kicked their daughter's black boyfriend and hit her; later attacked her again. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19153001#story_continues_1 ; http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4474656/Teen-girl-beaten-by-dad-for-dating-black-boy.html
207 Mark Johnson 31 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month suspended sentence, 150-hours community service, ÂŁ400 compensation. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
208 Matthew Bermingham 18 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month community order, 150-hours unpaid community service, ÂŁ100 compensation. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
209 Aaron Childs 20 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month community order, 150-hours community service, ÂŁ200 compensation. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
210 Jonathan Foy 19 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month community order, 150-hours community service, ÂŁ100 compensation. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
211 Joseph Harman 20 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month community order, 200-hours community service, ÂŁ500 compensation. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
212 Cavan Langfield 18 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month community order, 200-hours community service, ÂŁ250 compensation. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
213 Tom Maudsley 18 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month community order, 200-hours community service, ÂŁ100 compensation. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
214 Unnamed 15-year-old 15 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month referral order. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
215 Unnamed 17-year-old 17 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month referral order. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
216 Michael Kelly Unknown Supporter 09/07/2011 Yes 28/09/2012 - 9-month prison sentence, 2-year ASBO. No Involved in violent disturbances at an EDL demonstration; attacked Police officers. http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/local/pair-locked-up-over-edl-demo-near-eureka-1-4975506
217 Unnamed 16-year-old 16 Supporter 09/07/2011 Yes 28/09/2012 - 6-month detention and training order, 2-year ASBO. No Involved in violent disturbances at an EDL demonstration; attacked Police officers. http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/local/pair-locked-up-over-edl-demo-near-eureka-1-4975506
218 Daniel Grant 22 Unknown Unknown Yes 24/04/2012 - Jailed indefinitely No Used a meat cleaver to threaten victims during a six-week campaign of robbery and burglary to fund a ÂŁ600-a-week drink and drug habit. Grant committed eight robberies in Leeds between December and January this year, taking ÂŁ3,000 worth of valuables from v http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/leeds-meat-cleaver-crime-spree-man-jailed-1-4579039
219 Trudie Toker Unknown Leader of EDL Millwall Division 21/05/2010 Yes 19/03/2011 - 9-month suspended sentence, ordered to complete alcohol treatment programme. Yes - Facebook Walked in drunk to her school (she was a teacher), and racially abused and threatened the pupils. http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/Racial-abuser-forgiven-pupils/story-1136... ; FACEBOOK: http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/bedfordshire-pcc-candidate-kevin-carroll-describes-muslims-as-backward-savages?COLLCC=1237814637&
220 Terry Gavan Unknown Former BNP member Unknown Yes Sentenced to 11 years No Admitted to making nail and ball bearing bombs in his West Yorkshire home http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/8460696.stm
101 Martin Corner 31 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; sentenced to a 12-month supervision order, a 13-week curfew and given a 16-week prison sentence, suspended for two years No " " " "
102 Jordan Lonsdale 20 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; sentenced to a 12-month supervision order, a 13-week curfew and given a 16-week prison sentence, suspended for two years No " " " "
103 Paul Jackson 41 Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 Yes 25/05/12; given 150-hour community service and a 16-week prison sentence, suspended for two years No " " " "
104 Myles Davies N/A Anti-Islamic protesters 02-Jul-11 No N/A No A warrant was issued for arrest after he failed to appear in court for trial http://www.lancashire.police.uk/news/eleven-sentenced-for-public-order-offences-following-disorder-in-brierfield
105 Blaise Silvester 21 N/A N/A Yes Was given a 12-month community order and told to do 100 hours of unpaid work in the community. He also had to wear an electronic tag and stay at home everyday from 9pm to 6am for two months No Attacked peace protesters at a demonstration outside the Jami Mosque in Victoria Road North, Southsea http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/law-and-order/portsmouth-mosque-protest-thug-told-to-do-more-unpaid-work-1-3262364
106 Daniel Smith 39 N/A 26-Aug-11 Yes 05/11: sentenced to nine years in prison No Pleaded guilty to charges of burglary, common assault, possessing an offensive weapon and making threats to kill. Smith hurled racist abuse at a family living near him in Victoria Road, Thornhill Lees. He attacked their front door with a knife and eventua http://www.dewsburyreporter.co.uk/news/local/more-local-news/man-admits-threatening-to-kill-thornhill-lees-family-during-home-attack-1-4586151
107 Gary Wellings 29 Arrested during an EDL protest 30-Jun-12 Yes 11/07/12; was given a 12 month conditional discharge and ordered to pay ÂŁ85 costs No Was convicted of using threatening words or behaviour to cause harassment, alarm or distress whilst at the EDL protest http://www.dewsburyreporter.co.uk/news/local/more-local-news/two-in-court-after-dewsbury-edl-demo-1-4735009
108 Kevin Smith 53 Arrested during an EDL protest 30-Jun-12 Yes 11/07/12; must pay a ÂŁ150 fine, ÂŁ85 costs and a ÂŁ15 victim surcharge after he admitted possessing mephedrone. A drug forfeiture and destruction order was also made No " " " "
109 Shaun Burns 19 N/A May-11 Yes 22/03/12; walked out of court with another suspended term, this time for 16 weeks suspended for a year, with 100 hours unpaid work, £350 costs and £520 compensation No Earlier this year father–of-five Muhammed Hussain, from Preston, told how he feared for his life after Burns, his partner Bryanne-Serrita Langham, 22, and friend Callum Tennant, 20, launched a racist attack on him before threatening to “take him down a si http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/outrage-as-lout-who-flouts-sentence-still-avoids-prison-1-4758152
110 Raymond Strachan 21 Member of SDL Jul-11 Yes 17/07/12; was convicted of breaching the 1986 Public Order Act and was sentenced to 200 hours of community service Yes; he did have a facebook page Used the social networking site to promote his support of fascist group the Scottish Defence League. Strachan visited various pages on Facebook and left various messages on them in an attempt to stir up racial hatred http://news.stv.tv/scotland/111304-sdl-member-posted-racist-messages-on-facebook-as-he-promoted-group/
111 David Lee Matthews 23 Chanted the EDL name N/A Yes Awaiting sentence No He approached Charlotte Allison, who he knew and singed her hair with a cigarette lighter. He then hurled racial abuse at an Asian man nearby. He chanted the name of the English Defence League and yelled: “I am racist and proud of it.” http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2012/04/14/dewsbury-man-david-lee-matthews-set-fire-to-woman-s-hair-86081-30755316/#ixzz21aIlmFBA
112 Stefan Davis 21 N/A N/A Yes Imprisoned for ten months and told not to go within 200 metres of the family's newsagents in Bulwell for five years No Admitted racially aggravated harassment and using threatening words or behaviour. The men subjected a "decent and hardworking" Asian family to a torrent of abuse http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/Racial-abuse-pair-banned-Bulwell-newsagents-years/story-16760073-detail/story.html
113 Kelvin Barratt 25 N/A N/A Yes Imprisoned for ten months and told not to go within 200 metres of the family's newsagents in Bulwell for five years No Admitted racially aggravated harassment and using threatening words or behaviour. Barratt additionally pleaded guilty to having a knife. The men subjected a "decent and hardworking" Asian family to a torrent of abuse " "
114 Matthew Berryman 28 Attended an EDL demonstration 10-Nov-12 Yes 27/10/12; He was ordered to pay a ÂŁ150 fine, a ÂŁ20 victim surcharge and ÂŁ85 prosecution costs No Pleaded guilty to using threatening words or behaviour at the the EDL demo on November 10 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-20525129
115 Barry Stanbury 42 EDL member 05-Mar-12 Yes Magistrates sentenced him to 80 hours unpaid work, ÂŁ100 compensation and pay ÂŁ150 costs No Stanbury launched drunken attack on Exeter mosque after watching Libya news report http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/Man-launched-drunken-attack-Exeter-mosque/stor...
" " " " " " 13-Nov-10 Yes Sentetenced to eight weeks in prison, suspended for a year and ordered to complete 40 hours of unpaid work in the community No Used abusive or insulting words or behaviour with intent to cause of fear of violence towards a Police officer http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Man-pointed-knife-PC-row/story-11664113-detail/story.html
116 Kenneth Holden 30 EDL supporter N/A Yes He was given a 12-month community order with supervision and was ordered to pay ÂŁ60 compensation to his grandfather and ÂŁ160 court costs for both cases No A former soldier, wrote anti-Islamic comments on his Facebook page after he started supporting the English Defence League (EDL). Holden pleaded guilty to two counts of sending an offensive message by a public communication network http://www.jarrowandhebburngazette.com/news/crime/ex-soldier-s-anti-muslim-rants-on-facebook-1-4983990
117 Jak Beasley 23 Links' with EDL 10-Dec-11 Yes Was fined ÂŁ455 and ordered to pay ÂŁ515 costs No They were found guilty in August of shouting a highly inflammatory religious chant at Middlesbrough railway station http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2012/09/15/race-abuse-group-ordered-to-pay-6-000-84229-31840511/#ixzz26ft2q7nD
118 Ross Williams 23 Links' with EDL 10-Dec-11 Yes Was fined ÂŁ420 and ordered to pay ÂŁ515 costs No " " " "
119 Christopher Caswell 32 Links' with EDL 10-Dec-11 Yes Was fined ÂŁ455 and ordered to pay ÂŁ515 costs No " " " "
120 Paul Ross 48 Links' with EDL 10-Dec-11 Yes Was fined ÂŁ525 and ordered to pay ÂŁ515 costs No " " " "
121 Dean Spence 23 Links' with EDL 10-Dec-11 Yes Was fined ÂŁ455 and ordered to pay ÂŁ515 costs No " " " "
122 Shaun Bunting 33 Links' with EDL 10-Dec-11 Yes Was fined ÂŁ420 and ordered to pay ÂŁ515 costs No " " " "
123 Kevin Carroll Unknown Founder and deputy leader Yes 10/03/2010 - Fined ÂŁ330. Yes - Facebook Public figure page / party twitter Hurled abuse Muslims at a soldier's homecoming parade. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-10731035
Kevin Carroll Unknown Founder and deputy leader 09/11/2011 Yes 09/11/2011 - Held for 3 days, fined ÂŁ2300 plus ÂŁ300 court costs. Yes - Facebook Public figure page / party twitter Got on roof of FIFA HQ; demanded players should be able to wear poppies on shirts. http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/local/edl_members_fined_over_rooftop_protes...
Kevin Carroll Unknown Founder and deputy leader 20/10/2012 On bail Yes - Facebook Public figure page / party twitter Arrested driving home, part of police arrest of 53 EDL supporters on conspiracy to cause public nuisance (gather). http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-20033157
124 Allan Hetherington-Cleverly / Allan Guy Gallop Unknown Supporter 1/04/2004, 30/05/2004 Yes ??/02/2005 - Jailed for 4 years. Yes - Facebook account; screenshot of activities: http://i.imgur.com/ga3K0.png Smuggled illegal Chinese immigrants across the Channel on a speedboat. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4257495.stm, http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/165962
125 Tracey Hurley 33 Supporter 25/06/2010 Yes 20/01/2011 - Fined ÂŁ150, ÂŁ200 court costs, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. No Subjected non-white train passengers to racist abuse and derogatory remarks. http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/edl-supporters-fined-for-on-train.html
126 Stuart Parr 28 Supporter 25/06/2010 Yes 20/01/2011 - Fined ÂŁ150, ÂŁ200 court costs, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. No Subjected non-white train passengers to racist abuse and derogatory remarks. http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/edl-supporters-fined-for-on-train.html
127 Kevin Smith Unknown Supporter 29/05/2010 Yes 09/07/2010 - 8-week suspended sentence. Yes - Facebook Put a pig's head on the wall of a mosque. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/09/english-defence-league-super-mosque , FACEBOOK: http://www.blottr.com/breaking-news/edl-member-makes-threats-ahead-walsall-demo
128 Cameron Schofield 17 Supporter 22/04/2010 Yes 08/12/2010 - Life sentence for murder, minimum of 11 years behind bars. Yes - Facebook: the confrontation was about bad-tasted comments Schofield posted on it. Stabbed and killed 17 year-old boy when he intervened in a confrontation between Schofield and his mother. http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/8728518.Murderer_stabbed_teenager_six_ti... , http://twitpic.com/3w7dup
129 Josh Morris 19 Suspected supporter 13/02/2011 Yes 05/01/2012 - 3 years at a young offenders institute. No Stole paraffin, and used it to set fire to a mosque. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-16429338
130 James Smith 19 Suspected supporter 13/02/2011 Yes 05/01/2012 - 3 years at a young offenders institute. No Stole paraffin, and used it to set fire to a mosque. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-16429338
131 James Everley 19 Suspected supporter 13/02/2011 Yes 05/01/2012 - 3 years at a young offenders institute. No Stole paraffin, and used it to set fire to a mosque. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-16429338
132 Gareth Mooney Unknown Supporter 09/10/2010 Bailed No further information. No Addmitted to kicking a shop window during an EDL protest; this instigated further attacks by protesters. http://www.iengage.org.uk/component/content/article/1-news/1291-edl-supporter-admits-causing-criminal-damage-during-leicester-rally
133 Bryan Kelso 28 Supporter 24/10/2010 Yes 03/08/2011 - 14-day curfew, ÂŁ425 penalty. No A fight broke out between the EDL and anti-fascists outside of the Israeli Embassy; he overturned a table and grabbed a police officer's genitals. http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/streathamnews/9180491.English_Defence_League_fighters_get_two_week_curfew/
134 Christopher Long 37 Supporter 24/10/2010 Yes 03/08/2011 - 14-day curfew, ÂŁ425 penalty. No A fight broke out between the EDL and anti-fascists outside of the Israeli Embassy; he kicked over a table with a Qur'an on; fought with an Asian man. http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/streathamnews/9180491.English_Defence_League_fighters_get_two_week_curfew/
135 Ian Logan Unknown Referred to the EDL in a racist rant 28/02/2011 Yes 15/03/2011 - Fined ÂŁ190 for each offence, ÂŁ85 costs, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. No Punched a police officer after being arrested for shouting racial obscenities whilst drunk. http://www.theadvertiserseries.co.uk/news/darlington/8912851.Racist_rant_lands_man_with___380_fine/
136 Collum Keyes 23 Supporter 01/05/2010 Yes 17/12/2010 - Fined ÂŁ150, ÂŁ85 court costs, CRASBO restricting protests until 2020, propaganda restriction. No Disorderly conduct during an EDL demonstration. http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/newsevents/newsevents-pressreleases/newsevents-pressreleases-item.htm?id=160275
137 Daryl Hobson Unknown Senior member / leader 01/05/2010 Yes 08/11/2010 - Fined ÂŁ100, ÂŁ400 court costs. Yes - Facebook Threatening and abusive behaviour towards several police officers from his car, on the way to an EDL rally. http://www.bucksherald.co.uk/news/local-news/aylesbury-judge-rejects-appeal-... , FACEBOOK: http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/edl-random-quote-generator/12-news/the-leadership
138 Richard Price Unknown Senior member / co-ordinator of W.Mids Divison 2009 Yes ??/06/2010 - Put on Sex Offenders, 3-year community supervision, banned from owning a computer for one year. No House searched: Computer seized, where indecent images of children were found on it; two charges of possessing cocaine. http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/01/471527.html
139 Richard Price Unknown Senior member / co-ordinator of W.Mids Divison 01/05/2010 Yes 17/12/2010 - 12-week prison sentence, fined ÂŁ150, CRASBO restricting protests until 2020, propaganda restriction. No Threatening behaviour during an EDL demonstration. http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/newsevents/newsevents-pressreleases/newsevents-pressreleases-item.htm?id=160275
140 Mark Alan Taylor 39 Supporter 09/10/2010 Yes No date - Conditional discharge (not to attend any EDL or anti-Islamic gatherins of more than 3 people), ÂŁ50 court costs. Threatening and abusive behaviour during an EDL protest. http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/EDL-protest-arrests-face-court/story-12066505-detail/story.html
141 Jay Joseph Willis 30 Supporter 09/10/2010 Bailed No further information. No Obstructed a police officer during his duty, and was in possession of cocaine at an EDL rally. http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/EDL-protest-arrests-face-court/story-12066505-detail/story.html
142 Unknown Supporter 09/10/2010 Yes 09/05/2011 - Fined ÂŁ225, ÂŁ85 court costs, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. Yes - Facebook Swore at a policeman during an EDL protest. http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/EDL-man-fined-swearing-officer/story-1... , FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/slatedl/posts/336929783025368?comment_id=4188430&offset=0&total_comments=10
143 Martyn Harris 24 Supporter 23/04/2010 Yes 21/06/2010 - No information about sentencing; plead guilty to public order offence. No Threatening and abusive behaviour during an EDL 'hijack' of a St. George's Day parade; accused of hitting a police officer. http://www.uxbridgegazette.co.uk/west-london-news/local-uxbridge-news/2010/06/30/anti-islamic-group-blamed-for-st-george-s-day-riot-in-ruislip-113046-26759981/
144 Lee Howarth 24 Supporter 10/10/2009 Yes 23/12/2009 - Fined ÂŁ100. Yes - Facebook. Swore at, and threatened, a policeman during an EDL protest. http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/edl-yob-fined-for-swearing-at-pol... , FACEBOOK: http://twicsy.com/i/7uK3Z
145 Simon Kirkpatrick 39 Sold alcohol to EDL supporters 20/03/2010 Yes 22/02/2011 - Fined ÂŁ625 court costs, lost pub licence. No Opened his pub and sold alcohol to EDL supporters before a protest, despite Police warning him days before that he could not trade before 11am. http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/8867428.Landlord_who_served_EDL_loses_his_licence/
146 Ryan Herbert Unknown Supporter 09/10/2010 Yes ??/03/2011 - 12-week prison sentence. No Caused damage to the windows of a bar during EDL protests. http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/2011/3/18/edl-supporter-sentenced-to-12-weeks-imprisonment.html
147 Hayley Wells 26 Deputy south west regional co-ordinator 13/09/2010, 24/09/2010 Yes 19/03/2011 - 2-year conditional discharge, ordered to pay full compensation. No Sold a laptop and an iPad on eBay, and took the money without sending the items. http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/Mum-cashed-bogus-eBay-sales/story-11675181-d... , http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/latest-news/311-hayley-wells-exposed
148 Simon Beech 23 Supporter 03/12/2010 Yes 08/12/2011 - 10-year prison sentence. Yes - Facebook Set fire to a mosque in retaliation to poppy-burnings on Armistice Day http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/uk_national_news/9410313.Pair_jailed_for_... , FACEBOOK: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lirwsrtHfb1qebzux.jpg
149 Garreth Foster 28 Supporter 03/12/2010 Yes 08/12/2011 - 10-year prison sentence. No Set fire to a mosque in retaliation to poppy-burnings on Armistice Day http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/uk_national_news/9410313.Pair_jailed_for_...
150 David Morris 21 EDL chants shouted 21/11/2010 Yes 27/04/2012 - 6-month prison sentence. No Part of an attack on a mosque; gang shouted EDL chants. http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/kingstonnews/9675578.Thugs_who... , http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/kingstonnews/9615136.Man_snapped_near_mosque_not_planning_attack__court_hears/
151 Martin Pottle 22 EDL chants shouted 21/11/2010 Yes 27/04/2012 - 14-months prison sentence. No Part of an attack on a mosque; gang shouted EDL chants. http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/kingstonnews/9675578.Thugs_who... , http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/kingstonnews/9615136.Man_snapped_near_mosque_not_planning_attack__court_hears/
152 Alfie Wallace 18 EDL chants shouted 21/11/2010 Yes 27/04/2012 - 12-months in a Young Offenders Institution. No Part of an attack on a mosque; gang shouted EDL chants. http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/kingstonnews/9675578.Thugs_who... , http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/kingstonnews/9615136.Man_snapped_near_mosque_not_planning_attack__court_hears/
153 Unnamed 15-year-old 15 EDL chants shouted 24/03/2011 Yes 28/09/2011 - 2-year detention term. No Engaged in racist chanting; sought to damage a window and outside fence, outside of a mosque. http://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news/news/boy_15_loses_appeal_over_detention... , http://www.london24.com/news/court/redbridge_mosque_attackers_jailed_by_judge_1_1073690
154 Bernard Holmes Unknown Commander' in EDL 17/05/2009 Yes ??/02/2010 - 28-month prison sentence. Yes - Facebook Assaulted a man; the man had a brain injury, and has been badly affected by the attack. http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/5029714.print/ , http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165060/EDL-commander-organised-inti... , FACEBOOK: http://www.edlnews.co.uk/index.php/featured-stories/d
155 Brett Moses 37 EDL Hull Division ??/06/2005 Yes ??/05/2010 - 12-month suspended prison sentence. Yes - chat rooms Groomed a 13-year-old girl on internet chatroom, flew to meet her. , http://liveraf.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/paedophile-still-active-within-edl-leadership/
156 Daniel Groves 23 Was with EDL supporters 12/09/2010 Yes 21/04/2011 - 6-month suspended prison sentence, 18-months supervision, 3-month ban from all pubs and clubs, electronic tag. No Threw a bottle at Asians in a standoff between a group of EDL supporters and a group of Asians outside a pub. Denies he supports EDL. http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/2011/4/23/hooligan-avoids-jail-after-throwing-bottle-during-edl-protes.html
157 Andrew Baldwin Unknown Supporter 10/12/2010, 05/03/2011 Yes 28/04/2011 - Pleaded guilty, no information on sentencing. No Sprayed 'EDL' and a Chistian cross on a mosque. http://www.camdennewjournal.com/news/2011/apr/carer-wrote-edl-mosque-andrew-baldwin-guilty-damage-muslim-world-league-building-charl
158 John Walsh 25 Racially motivated 31/10/2010 Yes 13/12/2010 - 2-year community order, 150 hours community service, curfew. No Shouted abuse at a mosque and threatened to kick down the door; racially abused a shopkeeper. http://salfordonline.com/witnessappeal_page/24767-eccles_man_charged_ith_rac... , http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1390293_drunken_yob_who_threatened_to_burn_down_eccles_mosque_avoids_jail
159 Neil MacGregor Unknown Claimed to be member of National Front 30/01/2007 - 15/02/2007 Yes 06/04/2011 - 12-month prison sentence. No Contacted Police frequently, threatening to blow up Glasgow Central Mosque; also threatened to kill a muslim each day until all mosques in Scotland were closed. http://news.stv.tv/tayside/241885-proud-racist-ex-soldier-who-threatened-to-blow-up-glasgow-central-mosque-jailed/
160 Daniel Odling 26 Trialled alongside an EDL member - denied being a supporter 09/07/2010 Yes 16/05/2011 - Fined ÂŁ450, ÂŁ500 court costs, ÂŁ15 victims' surcharge. No Harassed and aggrivated a group of Muslims gathered to discuss the building of a mosque. http://www.gainsboroughstandard.co.uk/news/local-news/man-convicted-of-abusive-behaviour-1-3383859
161 Paul Pitt / Paul Prodromou Unknown Leader of Essex, Kent, Sussex divisions ??/05/2011 Yes Unknown date - Fined ÂŁ500, ÂŁ385 court costs, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. Yes - Facebook Caused harassment and distress outside of the US Embassy. http://www.edlnews.co.uk/index.php/12-news/the-leadership/131-paul-pitt , FACEBOOK: http://twitpic.com/6ldxrr
162 Antonia Claire Evans Unknown Attended EDL rally ??/11/2010 Yes 21/05/2011 - 51-week suspended prison sentence, 12-months probation supervision, psychiatric help, banned from owning dogs. No Attacked police officers during an EDL rally. http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/9041017.Woman_bit_police_officer_after_arrest/
166 Brian Mackey 19 Supporter 05/09/2010 Yes 17/02/2011 - 18-month community service, 4-month curfew. No Shouted racist abuse at Muslims leaving a mosque. http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/crime/racists_mosque_taunts_1_2984302?com... , http://www.jarrowandhebburngazette.com/news/crime/pair-spared-jail-for-mosque-abuse-1-3094181
167 Steven Dryden 24 Supporter 05/09/2010 Yes 17/02/2011 - 18-month community service, 4-month curfew. No Shouted racist abuse at Muslims leaving a mosque. http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/crime/racists_mosque_taunts_1_2984302?com... , http://www.jarrowandhebburngazette.com/news/crime/pair-spared-jail-for-mosque-abuse-1-3094181
168 Brian Bristow Unknown Supporter 09/10/2010 Yes 12/10/2010 - Fined ÂŁ100, ÂŁ85 court costs. No Was in possession of cannabis during an EDL protest. http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/EDL-protester-carrying-drugs/story-12071336-detail/story.html
169 Brian Bristow Unknown Supporter 24/10/2010 Yes 03/08/2011 - Fined ÂŁ825. No A fight broke out between the EDL and anti-fascists outside of the Israeli Embassy; he racially abused one of the men. http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/streathamnews/9180491.English_Defence_League_fighters_get_two_week_curfew/
170 Christopher Wittwer 35 Supporter ??/05/2010 Yes 31/05/2011 - 10-month prison sentence. Yes - Facebook Involved in a fight between rival football-team supporters. http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/Hooligans-sentenced-football-rivals-clash-ci... , FACEBOOK: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hVpEcudlNxg/TcEbugtvbYI/AAAAAAAAAlw/2VBAFPapzNI/s1600/chris_witter_1.gif
171 Neil Mitchell 42 Racial assault 06/01/2011 Yes 08/07/2011 - Banned from takeaway shop for 12-months, ÂŁ300 court costs. No Stormed into a takeway shop and threatened staff with a shovel whilst shouting racial slurs. http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Lincoln-yob-denies-racist-friend-called-... , http://lincolnshire-echo.vlex.co.uk/vid/man-banned-pizza-house-racial-slurs-325250043
172 Liam Wood Unknown Admin on LGBT division 2008 Yes Unknown date - suspended sentence Yes - Twitter and Facebook Was in possession of cocaine, believed to be with intent to supply. http://twitpic.com/5lr92d , http://www.thesleepingdogs.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=13436&start=0
173 Jonathan Cunningham Unknown Unknown 30/01/2010 Yes 25/06/2010 - 12-month prison sentence. No Assisted the building of homemade explosives. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7855025/Boy-made-nailbombs-with-chemicals-bought-on-eBay.html
174 Unnamed 16-year-old 16 Supporter, Nazi/Fascism enthusiast. 30/01/2010 Yes 25/06/2010 - 3-year controlling order, 3-month curfew, ban on explosive material, recording of internet use. No Built bombs and explosives from items bought off of the internet. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7855025/Boy-made-nailbombs-with-chemicals-bought-on-eBay.html
175 Nicolas Shelbourne Unknown Unknown 03/06/2010 Yes 28/01/2011 - 13-year minimum prison sentence. No Brutally murdered a young Aspergers sufferer, with three others. http://news.sky.com/story/832763/gang-of-four-jailed-for-sadistic-murder
176 Jordan O'Rouke Unknown Unknown 03/06/2010 Yes 28/01/2011 - 11-year youth detention order. No Brutally murdered a young Aspergers sufferer, with three others. http://news.sky.com/story/832763/gang-of-four-jailed-for-sadistic-murder
177 Daryll Jones Unknown Links to EDL 03/06/2010 Yes 28/01/2011 - 13-year youth detention order. No Brutally murdered a young Aspergers sufferer, with three others. http://news.sky.com/story/832763/gang-of-four-jailed-for-sadistic-murder ; http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/1078/killers-were-edl-supporters
178 Mark Jackson Unknown Links to EDL 03/06/2010 Yes 28/01/2011 - 13-year minimum prison sentence. No Brutally murdered a young Aspergers sufferer, with three others. http://news.sky.com/story/832763/gang-of-four-jailed-for-sadistic-murder ; http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/1078/killers-were-edl-supporters
179 Scott Whitehead 32 Supporter 11/12/2010 Yes 17/12/2010 - fined ÂŁ150, ÂŁ85 court costs, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. No Shouted abuse at mounted police officers, attempted to grab horses' reigns. http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/local/edl-protesters-fined-for-threats-to-police-1-2193622
180 James Black 22 Supporter 11/12/2010 Yes 17/12/2010 - fined ÂŁ150, ÂŁ85 court costs, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. No Threw a coin at mounted police offers at an EDL march. http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/local/edl-protesters-fined-for-threats-to-police-1-2193622
181 Jamie Knowlson 30 Racially motivated 09/01/2011 Yes 07/06/2011 - 6-month suspended sentence, 150-hours community service. No Stuffed ham inside Muslim worshippers' shoes, draped ham over mosque. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394864/Racist-filled-Muslims-shoes-ham-prayed-mosque-walks-free-court.html
182 Christopher Payne 25 Supporter 23/06/2011 Yes 21/07/2011 - 6-week suspended sentence, fined ÂŁ335, 100-hours community service. No Placed pigs head on site of proposed mosque, racist graffiti. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-14793880
183 Wayne Havercroft 41 Supporter 23/06/2011 Yes 21/07/2011 - fined ÂŁ585. No Placed pigs head on site of proposed mosque, racist graffiti. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-14793880
184 Nicholas Long 22 Supporter 23/06/2011 Yes 21/07/2011 - fined ÂŁ300. No Placed pigs head on site of proposed mosque, racist graffiti. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-14793880
185 Robert Parnham 20 Supporter 23/06/2011 Yes 21/07/2011 - fined ÂŁ300. No Placed pigs head on site of proposed mosque, racist graffiti. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-14793880
186 Aaron Muxlow Unknown Supporter 2011 Yes 20/10/2011 - 33-month prison sentence. No Series of racially-motivated verbal and physical attacks. http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News/Car-jacker-jailed-after-trying-to-slash-victims-neck-20102011.htm
187 Lee Preston 22 Supporter 16/04/2011 Yes 30/01/2012 - 18-month prison sentence. No Assaulted a taxi-driver. http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/story-15077603-detail/story.html?
188 Matthew Ryan 27 Racially motivated 20/05/2011 Yes 10/02/2012 - 10-month prison setence. No Racially abused two men at a take-away. http://www.cumberlandnews.co.uk/news/racism-must-not-be-allowed-to-flourish-in-carlisle-judge-tells-hate-gang-1.923732?referrerPath=news
189 Andrew Ryan 33 Supporter 20/05/2011 Yes 10/02/2012 - 18-month prison sentence. No Racially abused two men at a take-away. http://www.cumberlandnews.co.uk/news/racism-must-not-be-allowed-to-flourish-in-carlisle-judge-tells-hate-gang-1.923732?referrerPath=news
190 Andrew Ryan 33 Supporter 19/01/2011 Yes 18/04/2011 - 70-day prison sentence. No Borrowed a Qur'an from a library and burnt it in the street. http://www.cumberlandnews.co.uk/carlisle-man-burnt-koran-in-city-centre-in-p... ; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-13119241
191 John McAndrew 29 Supporter 11/03/2011, 18/06/2011 Yes 20/02/2012 - 14-month prison sentence, 5-year ASBO. No Threw stones in a busy road at an EDL rally; assaulted two men at a later EDL rally. http://www.london24.com/news/court/thug_banned_from_mosques_after_edl_attack... ; http://www.yellowad.co.uk/news.cfm?id=7337&headline=Man+served+with+CRASBO+for+actions+at+EDL+protests
192 Michael Coates 23 EDL supporter / North-West Infidels 1990s Yes 11/03/2002 - 6-year prison sentence, registered on the sex offenders registry. No Pleaded guilty to a total of eight charges of indecent assault and two of attempted rape for one girl; four offences of indecent assault for a second girl. http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/archive/2002/03/12/Bradford+District+A... ; http://nottingham.indymedia.org/articles/2498
193 Darren Conway 44 Racially motivated Yes 06/03/2012 - 12-month prison sentence. No Displayed anti-Islamic posters in his windows; grew cannabis. http://www.dinningtontoday.co.uk/news/local-news/racist-is-jailed-1-4323085
194 Laszlo Michael Lankovits Unknown Supporter 21/05/2012 Yes 06/06/2012 - fined ÂŁ180, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. No Racially abused an Asian Police officer. http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2012/06/07/ex-soldier-fined-for-racist-rant-at-asian-police-officer-in-huddersfield-86081-31129713/
195 Abdul Rafiq 41 Only Muslim 'member' of EDL 06/08/2011 Yes 17/11/2011 - fined ÂŁ600, 5-year football banning order. No Shouted sectarian phrases and breached the peace at a football game. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-15777852
196 Daniel Grant Unknown Supporter ??/12/2011 - ??/01/2012 Yes 23/05/2012 - 4-year prison sentence (minimum). No 6-week campaign of robbery and burglary armed with a meat cleaver. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/leeds-meat-cleaver-crime-spree-man-jailed-1-4579039
197 Shane Martin Unknown Supporter 04/06/2011 Yes 10/11/2011 - 6-month community order, 250-hours community service, 12-month probation. Yes - Facebook Smashed three cars after a house party. http://www.jarrowandhebburngazette.com/news/crime/wreckers_made_to_pay_for_d... ; http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/1341/the-guns-of-the-edl ; FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/shane.martin.92317121
198 John 'Snowy' Shaw Unknown Leads breakaway group, 'Infidels' ??/02/2012 Yes 27/06/2012 - 12-week suspended sentence, 200-hours community service, ÂŁ3,050.40 court costs, 10-year ban on keeping animals. No Left his llamas to starve in a field over winter. http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/cxf-and-the-infidels/771-infidels-leader-john-snowy-shaw-left-llamas-to-starve?COLLCC=3906673661&
199 Jacob Hyland Unknown Supporter 2010 Yes 15/11/11 - restraining order. Yes - Facebook Made abusive phonecalls to a non-white man. http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/two-nazi-edl-thugs-in-portsmouth-... ; FACEBOOK: http://portsmouthnaziwatch.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/baby-faced-nazi-in-dock.html
200 Anthony Crawford 22 Supporter 04/06/2012 Yes 04/07/2012 - 15-week suspended sentence, 100-hours community service, 12-month supervision order, ÂŁ150 victim surcharge. No Threw a firecracker at someone attending an anti-jubilee protest. http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/evening-chronicle-news/2012/0... ; http://tyneandwear.sky.com/news/article/23965?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150896516170544_22063273_10150896535860544#f22e09a2d4
201 Kevin Smith 53 Supporter 30/06/2012 Yes 11/07/2012 - ÂŁ150 fine, ÂŁ85 court costs, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge. No Threatening behaviour at an EDL protest; in possession of drugs. http://www.dewsburyreporter.co.uk/news/local/more-local-news/two-in-court-after-dewsbury-edl-demo-1-4735009
202 Steven Crispin 23 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 16/07/2012 - 3-month prison sentence. Yes - Facebook Attacked a Muslim man and broke his jaw at an EDL ralley. http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/article/2364/hope-not-hate-secure-edl-con... ; http://www.mpacuk.org/story/200611/mpacuk-press-release-edls-vicious-attack-... ; FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/steve.d.crisp
203 Bryanne-Serrita Langham 22 Racially motivated ??/12/2011 Yes Unknown date - ÂŁ100 fine, ÂŁ84.50 compensation, ÂŁ15 victim surcharge, ÂŁ40 court costs. No Launched a racist attack on a taxi driver; damaged the taxi. http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/outrage-as-lout-who-flouts-sentence-still-avoids-prison-1-4758152
204 James Lee Elliott 20 Supporter ??/10/2011 Bailed No further information. No Headbutted a man at an anti-racism music festival; restrained arrest, attacked Police officers. http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Drunk-EDL-supporter-butted-man-festival/story-16535560-detail/story.html#axzz2KjLV63ZN
205 David Champion Unknown Member of the Welsh Defence League N/A Yes 06/08/2012 - 12-month prison sentence. No Kicked their daughter's black boyfriend and hit her; later attacked her again. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19153001#story_continues_1 ; http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4474656/Teen-girl-beaten-by-dad-for-dating-black-boy.html
206 Frances Champion Unknown Racially motivated N/A Yes 06/08/2012 - 9-month prison sentence. No Kicked their daughter's black boyfriend and hit her; later attacked her again. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19153001#story_continues_1 ; http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4474656/Teen-girl-beaten-by-dad-for-dating-black-boy.html
207 Mark Johnson 31 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month suspended sentence, 150-hours community service, ÂŁ400 compensation. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
208 Matthew Bermingham 18 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month community order, 150-hours unpaid community service, ÂŁ100 compensation. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
209 Aaron Childs 20 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month community order, 150-hours community service, ÂŁ200 compensation. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
210 Jonathan Foy 19 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month community order, 150-hours community service, ÂŁ100 compensation. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
211 Joseph Harman 20 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month community order, 200-hours community service, ÂŁ500 compensation. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
212 Cavan Langfield 18 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month community order, 200-hours community service, ÂŁ250 compensation. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
213 Tom Maudsley 18 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month community order, 200-hours community service, ÂŁ100 compensation. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
214 Unnamed 15-year-old 15 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month referral order. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
215 Unnamed 17-year-old 17 Supporter 18/06/2011 Yes 03/09/2012 - 12-month referral order. No Involved in violent disturbances at an anti-racism rock concert. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/edl-gang-in-court-over-leeds-pub-attack-1-4893231?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
216 Michael Kelly Unknown Supporter 09/07/2011 Yes 28/09/2012 - 9-month prison sentence, 2-year ASBO. No Involved in violent disturbances at an EDL demonstration; attacked Police officers. http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/local/pair-locked-up-over-edl-demo-near-eureka-1-4975506
217 Unnamed 16-year-old 16 Supporter 09/07/2011 Yes 28/09/2012 - 6-month detention and training order, 2-year ASBO. No Involved in violent disturbances at an EDL demonstration; attacked Police officers. http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/local/pair-locked-up-over-edl-demo-near-eureka-1-4975506
218 Daniel Grant 22 Unknown Unknown Yes 24/04/2012 - Jailed indefinitely No Used a meat cleaver to threaten victims during a six-week campaign of robbery and burglary to fund a ÂŁ600-a-week drink and drug habit. Grant committed eight robberies in Leeds between December and January this year, taking ÂŁ3,000 worth of valuables from v http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/leeds-meat-cleaver-crime-spree-man-jailed-1-4579039
219 Trudie Toker Unknown Leader of EDL Millwall Division 21/05/2010 Yes 19/03/2011 - 9-month suspended sentence, ordered to complete alcohol treatment programme. Yes - Facebook Walked in drunk to her school (she was a teacher), and racially abused and threatened the pupils. http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/Racial-abuser-forgiven-pupils/story-1136... ; FACEBOOK: http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/bedfordshire-pcc-candidate-kevin-carroll-describes-muslims-as-backward-savages?COLLCC=1237814637&
220 Terry Gavan Unknown Former BNP member Unknown Yes Sentenced to 11 years No Admitted to making nail and ball bearing bombs in his West Yorkshire home http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/8460696.stm
"I deplore positive discrimination and I absolutely believe that everyone should be given the same chance. "
"As to religion being "beastly", yes it can be, particularly when it segregates and considers itself exempt from the laws of the land."
To go back to my original point then, is it reasonable to label all religion based on the actions of islamic groups?
"As to religion being "beastly", yes it can be, particularly when it segregates and considers itself exempt from the laws of the land."
To go back to my original point then, is it reasonable to label all religion based on the actions of islamic groups?
No Polybot
Islam is a full time religion, particularly in it's most extreme forms. Its followers are expected to
abide by it's precepts 24/7. Christianity well, the c/e version, only asks we go to church on Sundays and
for the res of the week forget about it. Since very few go to church now, its in fact a 'lapsed' religion
in this country, except for a few people. Where Christian values may clash with our own secular values, i.e.
'Gay Marriage, and 'Women Bishops' we demand Christianity changes. So to all intents and purposes we an 'athiest'
society.
My views as previously stated. Is we allow Muslims to live their own life in their own countries, but are free
to question it in our own society, perhaps even ban it. Our government pursues the exact opposite of this policy
in my opinion...the politics of the madhouse
Islam is a full time religion, particularly in it's most extreme forms. Its followers are expected to
abide by it's precepts 24/7. Christianity well, the c/e version, only asks we go to church on Sundays and
for the res of the week forget about it. Since very few go to church now, its in fact a 'lapsed' religion
in this country, except for a few people. Where Christian values may clash with our own secular values, i.e.
'Gay Marriage, and 'Women Bishops' we demand Christianity changes. So to all intents and purposes we an 'athiest'
society.
My views as previously stated. Is we allow Muslims to live their own life in their own countries, but are free
to question it in our own society, perhaps even ban it. Our government pursues the exact opposite of this policy
in my opinion...the politics of the madhouse
Northernnutjob,
would you like to wage war on a new thread?
Who can dig up the most crimes.
a) You - by EDL or BNP members
b) Me - by asians
would you like to wage war on a new thread?
Who can dig up the most crimes.
a) You - by EDL or BNP members
b) Me - by asians
There was a stabbing in a mosgue either early today or late last night. Whole place cordoned off, even though nobody died, and the local MP on the news saying what a tragedy it was.
Newham last night - old man found last night at 7-30 p.m. Died of head injuries. No police cordon, no MP, and nobody on here heard a word about it.
Newham last night - old man found last night at 7-30 p.m. Died of head injuries. No police cordon, no MP, and nobody on here heard a word about it.
just wondered what the kill ratio was for the edl - how many have they chopped to death?? How many have killed their own kin or spirited them away to foreign countries. How many people have they killed with bombs. That list from 2005 or whatever is mainly stuff from demos where as many of the anti edl get arrested for obstruction and violence. Most of the stuff the mma has come out with is bogus scare mongering.
I was up early to here the mosque stabbing report - yet again the police said we are not ruling this out as a hate crime. ~this was said officially whilst sky also said in the same breath that the man was local and prayed in the mosque!!! you couldn't make it up. The cops are paralized with fear that they will be accused of islamaphobia - I tell you we are in trouble - no wonder all these asian gangs got away with harming thousands of young white girls - police minds are intellectually frozen!!!
I was up early to here the mosque stabbing report - yet again the police said we are not ruling this out as a hate crime. ~this was said officially whilst sky also said in the same breath that the man was local and prayed in the mosque!!! you couldn't make it up. The cops are paralized with fear that they will be accused of islamaphobia - I tell you we are in trouble - no wonder all these asian gangs got away with harming thousands of young white girls - police minds are intellectually frozen!!!
Just seen on the telly
David Cameron announces UK and Russia 'share aims' on Syria...
Russia will continue to support Assad
Cameron wants us to support the rebels
exactly what definition of the words 'share aims' is he using
David Cameron announces UK and Russia 'share aims' on Syria...
Russia will continue to support Assad
Cameron wants us to support the rebels
exactly what definition of the words 'share aims' is he using
Good question Ebulgery. There seems to be a strange lack of tension considering the positions occupied by Russia and the US, UK, France and amigos. Is it understood that it's just another way to make some quick cash for our respective arms industries? Becasue that would be disgusting.
The law and police who enforce the law are supposed to act impartially
in upholding in enforcing the law...Moisock
We are paying for some incredibly stupid ideas of past governments of allowing
vast numbers of people of a different color and a different culture into our country
who could never possibly integrate
Enoch Powell 'Rivers of Blood speech' hangs over us
We should not have ignored him. This is a self inflicted problem
in upholding in enforcing the law...Moisock
We are paying for some incredibly stupid ideas of past governments of allowing
vast numbers of people of a different color and a different culture into our country
who could never possibly integrate
Enoch Powell 'Rivers of Blood speech' hangs over us
We should not have ignored him. This is a self inflicted problem
Cameron has got a solution to that one Patra
we give arms to the rebels
lord help us
we give arms to the rebels
lord help us
I can feel sympathy for the people of Syria
if the rebels assumed the West would step in to help them
they may have made a bad mistake..
and probably feel they have left hung out to dry so to speak
I think they needed to think before they acted myself
After the complete fiasco's in Iraq and Afghanistan, we really don't to go there again
Neither do I suspect do we really want to be drawn into direct confrontation with Russia
I am afraid the people of Syria are paying for the West's past mistakes in Iraq and Afghanistan
We have no idea what we are doing or where it would lead, we really have to stay out
Anyway Obama says he will supply the rebels...if Cameron had a vestige of common sense
he should leave it at that
if the rebels assumed the West would step in to help them
they may have made a bad mistake..
and probably feel they have left hung out to dry so to speak
I think they needed to think before they acted myself
After the complete fiasco's in Iraq and Afghanistan, we really don't to go there again
Neither do I suspect do we really want to be drawn into direct confrontation with Russia
I am afraid the people of Syria are paying for the West's past mistakes in Iraq and Afghanistan
We have no idea what we are doing or where it would lead, we really have to stay out
Anyway Obama says he will supply the rebels...if Cameron had a vestige of common sense
he should leave it at that
"Islam is a full time religion, particularly in it's most extreme forms. Its followers are expected to
abide by it's precepts 24/7."
All religion is generally "full-time". Islam in it's intended form is not so much a religion but a political system. I assume this is what you meant though.
"Christianity well, the c/e version, only asks we go to church on Sundays and
for the res of the week forget about it. Since very few go to church now, its in fact a 'lapsed' religion
in this country, except for a few people."
Not quite, but religion has a separate identity and domain to that of the state.
"Where Christian values may clash with our own secular values, i.e.
'Gay Marriage, and 'Women Bishops' we demand Christianity changes. So to all intents and purposes we an 'athiest' society."
A pair of bizarre examples there, why would an atheist society require any form of bishop or marriage?
Generally it's a dangerous situation when state oppresses religions, which is why protections were crucial to the US founding fathers. Not only are the americans losing this but soon even the term "founding fathers" will be outlawed.
The erosion of alternatives to the philosophy imposed by the state, has left us with the cultural marxism that has so weakened the ability to think or discriminate that the likes of yeahyeahwhatever cannot tell the difference between Mother Theresa and al-Zawahiri.
abide by it's precepts 24/7."
All religion is generally "full-time". Islam in it's intended form is not so much a religion but a political system. I assume this is what you meant though.
"Christianity well, the c/e version, only asks we go to church on Sundays and
for the res of the week forget about it. Since very few go to church now, its in fact a 'lapsed' religion
in this country, except for a few people."
Not quite, but religion has a separate identity and domain to that of the state.
"Where Christian values may clash with our own secular values, i.e.
'Gay Marriage, and 'Women Bishops' we demand Christianity changes. So to all intents and purposes we an 'athiest' society."
A pair of bizarre examples there, why would an atheist society require any form of bishop or marriage?
Generally it's a dangerous situation when state oppresses religions, which is why protections were crucial to the US founding fathers. Not only are the americans losing this but soon even the term "founding fathers" will be outlawed.
The erosion of alternatives to the philosophy imposed by the state, has left us with the cultural marxism that has so weakened the ability to think or discriminate that the likes of yeahyeahwhatever cannot tell the difference between Mother Theresa and al-Zawahiri.
Christian values do clash with secular values,,
your argument makes no sense at all there
If you think Christianity is in any way a full time religion you must be dreaming
look at what Jesus preached, and our society around us, they have little to do with each other
Islam is a religion, it has a lot more rules than us, facing Mecca at different times of day
and a lot of strict rules how to live ones life, but their followers accept that
My call to ban Islam in our society was slightly facetious tbh
I was just trying to show the complete illogicality of invading Muslim countries because we don't
like the way they run things, and generally anti Islamic media that supports this
and yet we are supposed to tolerate Muslims in our own society
it is 'schizophrenic'
we either tolerate Islam or you don't...everywhere.
Yeahyeah believes Islam suppress women, in fact all religion does
I argue they don't, they just reflect the values of the time they were founded
and who is to say their values were not better than our own values now
I don't advocate the suppression of women anywhere, I just think we should be aware of
the differences, and in the West we are in danger of departing from reality
We are in danger trying to put square pegs into round holes, all in the name of equality.
In fact what is happening is women are seeking power because
they want to change society to suit women rather than men
In fact women are not powerless anyway they have sex and they are very good at manipulating men.
I did not advocate suppression of all religion. Our secular values appear to change every 5 minutes,
totally confusing to us oldies
Religious values seem much more permanent and some people find security in that. In fact you last paragraph
agrees with this polybot
yeahyeah being a women, will of course hold to her views..it is the battle of the sexes
I argue they don't, they just reflect the values of the time they were founded
and who is to say their values were not better than our own values now
I don't advocate the suppression of women anywhere, I just think we should be aware of
the differences, and in the West we are in danger of departing from reality
We are in danger trying to put square pegs into round holes, all in the name of equality.
In fact what is happening is women are seeking power because
they want to change society to suit women rather than men
In fact women are not powerless anyway they have sex and they are very good at manipulating men.
I did not advocate suppression of all religion. Our secular values appear to change every 5 minutes,
totally confusing to us oldies
Religious values seem much more permanent and some people find security in that. In fact you last paragraph
agrees with this polybot
yeahyeah being a women, will of course hold to her views..it is the battle of the sexes
If you missed Sunday Politics yesterday, it's well worth a watch -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b02pxbft/Sunday_Politics_London_16_06_2013/
Appalling piece of interviewing by Andrew o'Neil, well I say interview, he was clearly not interested in what the leader of the EDL had to say, just intent on delivering his monologue. Shameful.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b02pxbft/Sunday_Politics_London_16_06_2013/
Appalling piece of interviewing by Andrew o'Neil, well I say interview, he was clearly not interested in what the leader of the EDL had to say, just intent on delivering his monologue. Shameful.
ebulGerry - I am a person first and a women second. As I've said before, I don't battle for my gender, I battle for equality. I don't expect this or that because I'm a woman, I expect this or that because I am a person and the rules that apply to one person should apply to all, no matter what their gender.
No doubt it will come as no surprise for you to know that I'm an atheist (although the stats/db geeky anorak in me couldn't resist putting jedi knight on my enrolment form - yesss and now we have a dedicated entry code!). I don't get religion but I can see that by banning it you actually give it power so I'm not going down that route... what I do think needs to happen is that we desperately need to move away from accepting that religion can put itself above the laws of the land (as has recently happened with the same sex marriage act).
No doubt it will come as no surprise for you to know that I'm an atheist (although the stats/db geeky anorak in me couldn't resist putting jedi knight on my enrolment form - yesss and now we have a dedicated entry code!). I don't get religion but I can see that by banning it you actually give it power so I'm not going down that route... what I do think needs to happen is that we desperately need to move away from accepting that religion can put itself above the laws of the land (as has recently happened with the same sex marriage act).
re: In fact what is happening is women are seeking power because
they want to change society to suit women rather than men
In fact women are not powerless anyway they have sex and they are very good at manipulating men.
It's so sad that what you see a power is actually just a drive to be equal. You say that we're trying to change society to "suit women" but that is such a warped view of just allowing people to be what they want to be. Just stop and think for a moment what it must be like to be female in a society where your only worth is your appearance. That your intelligence and personality counts for so little against your face and body shape... and you really consider that to be power.
they want to change society to suit women rather than men
In fact women are not powerless anyway they have sex and they are very good at manipulating men.
It's so sad that what you see a power is actually just a drive to be equal. You say that we're trying to change society to "suit women" but that is such a warped view of just allowing people to be what they want to be. Just stop and think for a moment what it must be like to be female in a society where your only worth is your appearance. That your intelligence and personality counts for so little against your face and body shape... and you really consider that to be power.
The Quran written in the the 7th century, clearly states that women sould be educated and treated with kindness and respect. At that time, very few men in Europe were educated let alone women.
Domestic violence against women etc, was widely accepted in this country (even by the police) till very recently (Labours social reforms since the 1970's).
As for honour killings, female mutilation etc. That has nothing to do with religion it is cultural.
So they are a few hundred years behind. Who was it that had Queen Ann Boleyn beheaded, Queen Carthrine Howard, beheaded for adultury? Their sentences commuted from being burned at the stake (they were commoners). Poor St Joan of Arc only 19yo but burnt by.......Let me see......O yes....The English.
The English have a lot to answer for, including the modern slave trade.
Domestic violence against women etc, was widely accepted in this country (even by the police) till very recently (Labours social reforms since the 1970's).
As for honour killings, female mutilation etc. That has nothing to do with religion it is cultural.
So they are a few hundred years behind. Who was it that had Queen Ann Boleyn beheaded, Queen Carthrine Howard, beheaded for adultury? Their sentences commuted from being burned at the stake (they were commoners). Poor St Joan of Arc only 19yo but burnt by.......Let me see......O yes....The English.
The English have a lot to answer for, including the modern slave trade.
You better check the muslim nations response to the latest human rights edicts from the UN madlad - not good reading - islam doesn't like the idea of women having charge of their own bodies
dated 14th june - direct from kuwait
dated 14th june - direct from kuwait
Neither did 'Defender of the Faith'
Henry VIII, who created a bastard religion, cos he was either impotent or couldn't get it
up - the fat git!
And blamed and murdered his poor wives.
Defender of S****!
And that basically is what your whole British tradition (you havn't got a culture) is based on!
Henry VIII, who created a bastard religion, cos he was either impotent or couldn't get it
up
- the fat git!And blamed and murdered his poor wives.
Defender of S****!
And that basically is what your whole British tradition (you havn't got a culture) is based on!
you are stuck in the past madlad with your irish racist hatred of the english
we are dealing with an almost stoneage religiona and culture
TODAY - you miss the point completely
we are dealing with an almost stoneage religiona and culture
TODAY - you miss the point completely
O shut your fat ass moisok , i couln't give a **** about English /Irish tradition or culture, I'm a modern socialist & in touch with the modern world!
SqueezeFirmly
16 Jun 13 21:13
Northernnutjob,
would you like to wage war on a new thread?
Who can dig up the most crimes.
a) You - by EDL or BNP members
b) Me - by asians
Are you going to accept this challenge or what?
16 Jun 13 21:13
Northernnutjob,
would you like to wage war on a new thread?
Who can dig up the most crimes.
a) You - by EDL or BNP members
b) Me - by asians
Are you going to accept this challenge or what?
Northernnutjob
were you aware of this
In the 1650s Anthony Johnson, an African man, won a court case that let him keep another African, John Casor, as his slave instead of ending his indentured servitude. This meant that the first legally recognized owner of a permanent slave in America, was an African.
were you aware of this
In the 1650s Anthony Johnson, an African man, won a court case that let him keep another African, John Casor, as his slave instead of ending his indentured servitude. This meant that the first legally recognized owner of a permanent slave in America, was an African.
" I'm a modern socialist & in touch with the modern world"
northernlad5
PMSL
northernlad5
PMSL
SpielfĂĽhrer Firmly,
Yes I saw your challenge the other night and obviously assumed you were in fact joking.
As now youv'e had the stupidity to repeat and embarass yourself I'll answer.
You can hardly compare the wrong doing of an entire continent of people throughout their entire history with the cowardly BNP going for a few decades, or EDL even more hiding behind womens skirts for the last few years.
A far better comparison would be the vile practices of Asians with Europeans troughout history (still unfair to them as they massively outnumber us.
But guess who have performed an astronomical peak in human atrocities thoughout history that put every other continental people in te shade?
Yes Europeans...and in particular the English!
Yes I saw your challenge the other night and obviously assumed you were in fact joking.
As now youv'e had the stupidity to repeat and embarass yourself I'll answer.
You can hardly compare the wrong doing of an entire continent of people throughout their entire history with the cowardly BNP going for a few decades, or EDL even more hiding behind womens skirts for the last few years.
A far better comparison would be the vile practices of Asians with Europeans troughout history (still unfair to them as they massively outnumber us.
But guess who have performed an astronomical peak in human atrocities thoughout history that put every other continental people in te shade?
Yes Europeans...and in particular the English!
I'm a modern socialist & in touch with the modern world!
I wish you'd get in touch with a live cable you helmet, now naff off back to the politics ward
I wish you'd get in touch with a live cable you helmet, now naff off back to the politics ward
Why gonna make me?
Might be knocking on, but i'd put the likes of you down with a simple stare!
You'd s*** yourself, - trust me!
Might be knocking on, but i'd put the likes of you down with a simple stare!
You'd s*** yourself, - trust me!
You can hardly compare the wrong doing of an entire continent of people throughout their entire history with the cowardly BNP going for a few decades, or EDL even more hiding behind womens skirts for the last few years.
You did, you moron, and you managed to name 220 people in total.
632 anti-Muslim hate incidents reported to â€MAMA’ since March 2012
74% of incidents take place on-line
That makes 165 NOT on line, in 15 months
That's 11 per month
Or 1 roughly every 3 days
Far Right BNP/EDL supporters linked to over half (54%) of all cases
46% committed by non BNP or EDL members
So, 1 every 6 days by the BNP/EDL then ?????
Not quite..
These are the figures that you posted
23 arrests, 18 prosecutions (cases pending),
23 arrests, for 632 'hate' crimes
And YOU posted it
609 are total rubbish, or they would have been arrested.
You did, you moron, and you managed to name 220 people in total.
632 anti-Muslim hate incidents reported to â€MAMA’ since March 2012
74% of incidents take place on-line
That makes 165 NOT on line, in 15 months
That's 11 per month
Or 1 roughly every 3 days
Far Right BNP/EDL supporters linked to over half (54%) of all cases
46% committed by non BNP or EDL members
So, 1 every 6 days by the BNP/EDL then ?????
Not quite..
These are the figures that you posted
23 arrests, 18 prosecutions (cases pending),
23 arrests, for 632 'hate' crimes
And YOU posted it
609 are total rubbish, or they would have been arrested.
.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/5844-the-bbc-sanctions-the-murder-of-tommy-robinson
Just when you think the BBC can stoop no lower into the gutter of Islamic appeasement they gird their leftist loins, put their shoulder to the dhimmi wheel and come up with quite astounding levels of grotesque behaviour.
The first instance is the BBC Free Speech programme which aired last week. The introduction to this concentrated on the Islamic murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby, yet for reasons best known to themselves the programme centred around the question of "Is Britain more racist and Islamophobic?"
In order to discuss this vexing question, shortly after a white Englishman was beheaded in the street by Nigerian Muslims, the BBC arranged a panel consisting of:
a black man who considers Britain to be institutionally racist
a Muslim woman
a mixed-race man
a leftist white woman.
Keeping things in order was a carefully bearded young metrosexual chap with the correct political orientation necessary to have landed such a job at the BBC in the first place.
Oh yes, and Tommy Robinson, who was obviously considered so repugnant by the panellists he was consigned to seat 1, row 12, amongst a hostile audience.
Only the BBC could manage to pull off such a remarkable piece of blatantly biased social engineering.
A white soldier is killed by Muslims and the BBC convenes a panel of pro-Islam leftists to talk about racism and Islamophobia...
Although the program was called Free Speech, the irony of the concerted attacks on Tommy for voicing his free speech was lost on the attackers.
Tommy was a racist and that was that, even though they could not actually tell him why he was a racist, despite him asking them to clarify this matter countless times. They simply did not like the fact that he tells the truth about a religion called Islam, so he was therefore a racist no matter how many times he told them Islam was not a race.
The second instance and by far the more serious, was Tommy's appearance on Andrew Neil's Sunday Politics show. Mr Neill is a political/ media heavyweight, unlike the foolish children on Free Speech, which makes his behaviour during the interview a matter of great concern, and possibly even concern for the British police, assuming they have a shred of interest of course, which they probably do not.
Andrew Neill's opening words were, "Should I call you Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, or Paul Harris or Andrew McMaster?"
Tommy said he could call him Stephen Lennon, and explained that he used aliases because of the death threats he and his family receive on a regular basis from the followers of the religion of peace.
These are not unsubstantiated death threats: the police have issued Osman Warnings to Tommy, which means that based on information received, the police think the threats are credible.
The idea that Tommy's children had been threatened with beheading cut no ice with Mr Neill at all. He responded with, "We did find your birth certificate, you were born Stephen Christopher Yaxley Lennon in Luton 1982."
Now, bearing in mind that Tommy had just told him he used aliases because of death threats, was it just sheer stupidity of Mr Neill to broadcast to the Islamic world the full name and year of birth on his birth certificate?
Can anyone recollect another example of a BBC guest with credible death threats against them and their children having his full name and date of birth announced to the wider world?
No, I don't think it was stupidity. It was deliberately done in order to help enable the murder of Tommy Robinson, who the BBC Leftists hate with a passion. This is more than impartial reporting or bias, it is a genuine desire to help people who wish to kill Tommy, to do just that.
If no one had been killed by Islamic murderers then perhaps it could be forgiven as simple naivety, but given the murders of Pim Fortuyn, Theo Van Gogh and the attempted murders of countless other public people who have dared question the religion of peace, it is absolutely wrong and absolutely unforgiveable.
I have often thought the BBC crossed the moral line before, particularly so when they stacked a Question Time audience with hostile Muslims after 9/11, but to actively help Muslims track down a man with death threats against him must surely constitute the BBC's most wicked, evil and darkest hour to date.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/5844-the-bbc-sanctions-the-murder-of-tommy-robinson
Just when you think the BBC can stoop no lower into the gutter of Islamic appeasement they gird their leftist loins, put their shoulder to the dhimmi wheel and come up with quite astounding levels of grotesque behaviour.
The first instance is the BBC Free Speech programme which aired last week. The introduction to this concentrated on the Islamic murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby, yet for reasons best known to themselves the programme centred around the question of "Is Britain more racist and Islamophobic?"
In order to discuss this vexing question, shortly after a white Englishman was beheaded in the street by Nigerian Muslims, the BBC arranged a panel consisting of:
a black man who considers Britain to be institutionally racist
a Muslim woman
a mixed-race man
a leftist white woman.
Keeping things in order was a carefully bearded young metrosexual chap with the correct political orientation necessary to have landed such a job at the BBC in the first place.
Oh yes, and Tommy Robinson, who was obviously considered so repugnant by the panellists he was consigned to seat 1, row 12, amongst a hostile audience.
Only the BBC could manage to pull off such a remarkable piece of blatantly biased social engineering.
A white soldier is killed by Muslims and the BBC convenes a panel of pro-Islam leftists to talk about racism and Islamophobia...
Although the program was called Free Speech, the irony of the concerted attacks on Tommy for voicing his free speech was lost on the attackers.
Tommy was a racist and that was that, even though they could not actually tell him why he was a racist, despite him asking them to clarify this matter countless times. They simply did not like the fact that he tells the truth about a religion called Islam, so he was therefore a racist no matter how many times he told them Islam was not a race.
The second instance and by far the more serious, was Tommy's appearance on Andrew Neil's Sunday Politics show. Mr Neill is a political/ media heavyweight, unlike the foolish children on Free Speech, which makes his behaviour during the interview a matter of great concern, and possibly even concern for the British police, assuming they have a shred of interest of course, which they probably do not.
Andrew Neill's opening words were, "Should I call you Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, or Paul Harris or Andrew McMaster?"
Tommy said he could call him Stephen Lennon, and explained that he used aliases because of the death threats he and his family receive on a regular basis from the followers of the religion of peace.
These are not unsubstantiated death threats: the police have issued Osman Warnings to Tommy, which means that based on information received, the police think the threats are credible.
The idea that Tommy's children had been threatened with beheading cut no ice with Mr Neill at all. He responded with, "We did find your birth certificate, you were born Stephen Christopher Yaxley Lennon in Luton 1982."
Now, bearing in mind that Tommy had just told him he used aliases because of death threats, was it just sheer stupidity of Mr Neill to broadcast to the Islamic world the full name and year of birth on his birth certificate?
Can anyone recollect another example of a BBC guest with credible death threats against them and their children having his full name and date of birth announced to the wider world?
No, I don't think it was stupidity. It was deliberately done in order to help enable the murder of Tommy Robinson, who the BBC Leftists hate with a passion. This is more than impartial reporting or bias, it is a genuine desire to help people who wish to kill Tommy, to do just that.
If no one had been killed by Islamic murderers then perhaps it could be forgiven as simple naivety, but given the murders of Pim Fortuyn, Theo Van Gogh and the attempted murders of countless other public people who have dared question the religion of peace, it is absolutely wrong and absolutely unforgiveable.
I have often thought the BBC crossed the moral line before, particularly so when they stacked a Question Time audience with hostile Muslims after 9/11, but to actively help Muslims track down a man with death threats against him must surely constitute the BBC's most wicked, evil and darkest hour to date.
Robinson is a fascist, racist, foul mouthed and threatening, criminal jailbird football yob, with domestic problems with his druggie girlfriend, and a total $cumb@g.
I'm amazed the BBC allowed a lowlife criminal jaibird scumbag like hime to debateanything.
Who was looking after his kids? His druggie girlfriend?
I don't want criminal vernmin like him on my TV screen, and his kids should be put into care!
I'm amazed the BBC allowed a lowlife criminal jaibird scumbag like hime to debate
anything.Who was looking after his kids? His druggie girlfriend?
I don't want criminal vernmin like him on my TV screen, and his kids should be put into care!
So, Tommy robinson merely "tells the truth about Islam"...
No, Tommy Robinson is on an ego trip and isn't worth the 5 minutes of fame the BBC has offered him.
The EDL are a band of double figure IQ idiots.Guzzling down the tired old dogma of far right politics.
let's not forget how the national front tried to recruit via football hooligan(the real Tommy Robinson was a Luton Town hooligan), and likewise the EDL/casuals united did the same.
Anti fascist til the day I die.
the opposers? Keep banging on about rivers of blood, 45 years and counting....
No, Tommy Robinson is on an ego trip and isn't worth the 5 minutes of fame the BBC has offered him.
The EDL are a band of double figure IQ idiots.Guzzling down the tired old dogma of far right politics.
let's not forget how the national front tried to recruit via football hooligan(the real Tommy Robinson was a Luton Town hooligan), and likewise the EDL/casuals united did the same.
Anti fascist til the day I die.
the opposers? Keep banging on about rivers of blood, 45 years and counting....
religion can put itself above the laws of the land
c/e does not put itself above the laws of the land yeahyeah????????
it is just sticking to it's beliefs that is all....an unfair statement in my opinion.
If it changes it's values to reflect every change in secular values...it would no longer be a religion...
in fact to an extent c/e has already done this ..I don't think anyone actually has to believe in God anymore
which rather defeats the object.
The opposition to 'Gay Marriage' in not primarily religious, for some of us it is an instinct
I am sorry women are expected to look good(Do they not go along with this a teensy weensy bit maybe...instinct perhaps?)
but that's men for you
c/e does not put itself above the laws of the land yeahyeah????????
it is just sticking to it's beliefs that is all....an unfair statement in my opinion.
If it changes it's values to reflect every change in secular values...it would no longer be a religion...
in fact to an extent c/e has already done this ..I don't think anyone actually has to believe in God anymore
which rather defeats the object
.The opposition to 'Gay Marriage' in not primarily religious, for some of us it is an instinct
I am sorry women are expected to look good(Do they not go along with this a teensy weensy bit maybe...instinct perhaps?)
but that's men for you
"Anti fascist til the day I die."
So you're probably anti-Islam and most certainly anti-Obama then?
So you're probably anti-Islam and most certainly anti-Obama then?
You are not going to like this yeahyeah
equality as you put it, is, in my opinion, a clever ruse by women to make men
give up their power to women...so I ignore it
The primary biological role for women is to have babies and raise children...
that is in fact nature. Women's whole mentality is centred on this.
If you think this is fact just culture, then you may have a point, but I don't think it is myself
I think it is, at least in part, genetic.
That is a major sticking point for me. Only time not argument will reveal the answer to this
equality as you put it, is, in my opinion, a clever ruse by women to make men
give up their power to women...so I ignore it
The primary biological role for women is to have babies and raise children...
that is in fact nature. Women's whole mentality is centred on this.
If you think this is fact just culture, then you may have a point, but I don't think it is myself
I think it is, at least in part, genetic.
That is a major sticking point for me. Only time not argument will reveal the answer to this
ebulgery,
That is a total reinterpretation of Darwinism, that he never applied himslf, however.,
Only the extreme right wing like the Nazi's would voice such ridiculous opinions.
For example homosexuality is as widespread in the animal kingdom as it is in the human, as unfortunately is pedophilia.
Before comenting on such delicate issues, I recomend you study for example homosexuality.
Etc. You could do worse than read my interpretation of quantum/relative effects on human sexuality. You will find this on the original Guardians 1947 - 1997 thread on the politics forum.
It will give you a good lead to go on, and develope your intellect as far as 'Origin of Species' is concerned, and help you take developement much further!
That is a total reinterpretation of Darwinism, that he never applied himslf, however.,
Only the extreme right wing like the Nazi's would voice such ridiculous opinions.
For example homosexuality is as widespread in the animal kingdom as it is in the human, as unfortunately is pedophilia.
Before comenting on such delicate issues, I recomend you study for example homosexuality.
Etc. You could do worse than read my interpretation of quantum/relative effects on human sexuality. You will find this on the original Guardians 1947 - 1997 thread on the politics forum.
It will give you a good lead to go on, and develope your intellect as far as 'Origin of Species' is concerned, and help you take developement much further!
I will give you an example of equality yeahyeah
I am sure there are some women somewhere who dream of being 'hod carriers'..
If they applied at a building site and where rejected because they were a women they would scream blue murder
so in fact an employer cannot reject them on grounds of their sex, we have laws for that,
But women still say they are being discriminated against, why, 'because 50% of all hod carriers are not women'
...this is the stage I start to question whether we are not departing from reality
Of course I have used a rather extreme example to make my point, but this is becoming increasingly common
across the boards...there must be 50% of women in all jobs.
Next year I think the BBC is planning to treat us to women's football on tv
because millions of women are being denied the chance to watch this....so are being discriminated against
again..is this really reality.
I am sure there are some women somewhere who dream of being 'hod carriers'..
If they applied at a building site and where rejected because they were a women they would scream blue murder
so in fact an employer cannot reject them on grounds of their sex, we have laws for that,
But women still say they are being discriminated against, why, 'because 50% of all hod carriers are not women'
...this is the stage I start to question whether we are not departing from reality
Of course I have used a rather extreme example to make my point, but this is becoming increasingly common
across the boards...there must be 50% of women in all jobs.
Next year I think the BBC is planning to treat us to women's football on tv
because millions of women are being denied the chance to watch this....so are being discriminated against
again..is this really reality.
9:19 pm, Mon 10 Jun 2013
Four teenagers arrested after a fire at an Islamic boarding school in Chislehurst in Kent have been bailed, police have said:
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9:04 am, Mon 10 Jun 2013
Police: Sharp rise in Islamophobic attacks in London
Police in London are seeing eight times as many Islamophobic attacks in the capital since the killing of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich, a Metropolitan Police chief said today.
Commander Simon Lethford told BBC Radio 4's Today programme police had "definitely seen an increase" in the number of incidents:
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We normally have about one Islamophobic crime a day across London, we have seen around eight a day.
Predominantly it's name calling, it's minor criminal damage but on some occasions, like the two arsons we have heard of, there are serious crimes.
– Simon Letchford, Metropolitan Police Commander
Four teenagers arrested after a fire at an Islamic boarding school in Chislehurst in Kent have been bailed, police have said:
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9:04 am, Mon 10 Jun 2013
Police: Sharp rise in Islamophobic attacks in London
Police in London are seeing eight times as many Islamophobic attacks in the capital since the killing of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich, a Metropolitan Police chief said today.
Commander Simon Lethford told BBC Radio 4's Today programme police had "definitely seen an increase" in the number of incidents:
“
We normally have about one Islamophobic crime a day across London, we have seen around eight a day.
Predominantly it's name calling, it's minor criminal damage but on some occasions, like the two arsons we have heard of, there are serious crimes.
– Simon Letchford, Metropolitan Police Commander
madlad the irish racist who hates the english, lives in the past, quoting henry et all and ancient history to justify his tirade against the english and his support of islam
definitely not biased but completely bonkers ha ha!!!
definitely not biased but completely bonkers ha ha!!!
gerry - switch on sky some mornings and not a male presenter in site on the sofa ha ha!!!
but I would prefer that - a much nicer sight
but I would prefer that - a much nicer sight
fine by me moisock
only one female presenter I don like.
If men stick to men things and women stick to women things
in my opinion, we would all be a lot happier
ps
and can the gays please stay in the closet
only one female presenter I don like.
If men stick to men things and women stick to women things
in my opinion, we would all be a lot happier
ps
and can the gays please stay in the closet
homosexuality is as widespread in the animal kingdom as it is in the human
northern lad
I would suggest you need to learn something about evolution Northern lad
northern lad
I would suggest you need to learn something about evolution Northern lad
He is gone!! He has completely lost it!!! One cow mounts another and he declares widespread homosexuality - the name madlad fits ha ha!!!
and the flagship paper of the liberals is actively censoring stories
there was one on the front of their on line page today about islamic teachings on line
with about 48 comments
going back on I see it has completely disappeared ha ha!!!!
there was one on the front of their on line page today about islamic teachings on line
with about 48 comments
going back on I see it has completely disappeared ha ha!!!!
moisok, I used to read the Guardian as a serious newspaper, but now I like to have a look over there to have a laugh. All manner of articles that take aim at the right wing in the UK, but they have a total love in with the very right wing that is Islam
moisok
18 Jun 13 11:07
He is gone!! He has completely lost it!!! One cow mounts another and he declares widespread homosexuality - the name madlad fits ha ha
Wait until he's finished making kebabs ans delivering pizza tonight, he'll come on here and give you what for
18 Jun 13 11:07
He is gone!! He has completely lost it!!! One cow mounts another and he declares widespread homosexuality - the name madlad fits ha ha
Wait until he's finished making kebabs ans delivering pizza tonight, he'll come on here and give you what for
Ooooooh - I will put on my best dress and heels - so looking forward to it!!!
re:ebulGery 18 Jun 13 01:57
I will give you an example of equality yeahyeah
I am sure there are some women somewhere who dream of being 'hod carriers'..
If they applied at a building site and where rejected because they were a women they would scream blue murder
so in fact an employer cannot reject them on grounds of their sex, we have laws for that,
But women still say they are being discriminated against, why, 'because 50% of all hod carriers are not women'
...this is the stage I start to question whether we are not departing from reality
Of course I have used a rather extreme example to make my point, but this is becoming increasingly common
across the boards...there must be 50% of women in all jobs.
Next year I think the BBC is planning to treat us to women's football on tv
because millions of women are being denied the chance to watch this....so are being discriminated against
arghhh... it's you again
That might be your definition of equality EB, but it certainly isn't mine. Let's look at your mythical case of the hod-carrier in more detail. If there is a woman who is capable of laying bricks to the required standard (speed, quality) and can carry a hod full of bricks, and wants to do the job - shouldn't she be allowed to? That's my definition of equality. If she can't do the job - irrespective of gender - then she shouldn't be given the job.
I've said before that I deplore positive discrimination so your line of "there must be 50% of women in all jobs" is one that I would argue against. You seem to think EB that equality means women have special privileges... it's doesn't. It means they have exactly the same privileges as everyone else! Can you really not grasp that EB?
I will give you an example of equality yeahyeah
I am sure there are some women somewhere who dream of being 'hod carriers'..
If they applied at a building site and where rejected because they were a women they would scream blue murder
so in fact an employer cannot reject them on grounds of their sex, we have laws for that,
But women still say they are being discriminated against, why, 'because 50% of all hod carriers are not women'
...this is the stage I start to question whether we are not departing from reality
Of course I have used a rather extreme example to make my point, but this is becoming increasingly common
across the boards...there must be 50% of women in all jobs.
Next year I think the BBC is planning to treat us to women's football on tv
because millions of women are being denied the chance to watch this....so are being discriminated against
arghhh... it's you again
That might be your definition of equality EB, but it certainly isn't mine. Let's look at your mythical case of the hod-carrier in more detail. If there is a woman who is capable of laying bricks to the required standard (speed, quality) and can carry a hod full of bricks, and wants to do the job - shouldn't she be allowed to? That's my definition of equality. If she can't do the job - irrespective of gender - then she shouldn't be given the job.
I've said before that I deplore positive discrimination so your line of "there must be 50% of women in all jobs" is one that I would argue against. You seem to think EB that equality means women have special privileges... it's doesn't. It means they have exactly the same privileges as everyone else! Can you really not grasp that EB?
If a man marries the Queen, he becomes a prince
If a woman married the King, she becomes Queen
Sounds fair.
If a woman married the King, she becomes Queen
Sounds fair.
re:Can anyone recollect another example of a BBC guest with credible death threats against them and their children having his full name and date of birth announced to the wider world?
No, I don't think it was stupidity. It was deliberately done in order to help enable the murder of Tommy Robinson, who the BBC Leftists hate with a passion. This is more than impartial reporting or bias, it is a genuine desire to help people who wish to kill Tommy, to do just that.
If no one had been killed by Islamic murderers then perhaps it could be forgiven as simple naivety, but given the murders of Pim Fortuyn, Theo Van Gogh and the attempted murders of countless other public people who have dared question the religion of peace, it is absolutely wrong and absolutely unforgiveable.
I have often thought the BBC crossed the moral line before, particularly so when they stacked a Question Time audience with hostile Muslims after 9/11, but to actively help Muslims track down a man with death threats against him must surely constitute the BBC's most wicked, evil and darkest hour to date.
Andrew o'Neil was a complete and utter tw*t in that interview. It was biased to the hilt and he couldn't even disguise his disgust for the person sitting in front of him. How would he have reacted if he'd been interviewing Choudry I wonder... kowtowing and trying to understand and move towards peace and harmony no doubt. Of course like all bullies he can dish it out but he can't take it... couldn't even formulate a response when Nadine Dorries called him on how far his snout was into the BBC gravy-train.
Never understood why Alan Johnson and Micheal Portillo put up with him on This Week... and someone needs to tell him that all that Blue Nun and Annabel's twaddle has had its day.
No, I don't think it was stupidity. It was deliberately done in order to help enable the murder of Tommy Robinson, who the BBC Leftists hate with a passion. This is more than impartial reporting or bias, it is a genuine desire to help people who wish to kill Tommy, to do just that.
If no one had been killed by Islamic murderers then perhaps it could be forgiven as simple naivety, but given the murders of Pim Fortuyn, Theo Van Gogh and the attempted murders of countless other public people who have dared question the religion of peace, it is absolutely wrong and absolutely unforgiveable.
I have often thought the BBC crossed the moral line before, particularly so when they stacked a Question Time audience with hostile Muslims after 9/11, but to actively help Muslims track down a man with death threats against him must surely constitute the BBC's most wicked, evil and darkest hour to date.
Andrew o'Neil was a complete and utter tw*t in that interview. It was biased to the hilt and he couldn't even disguise his disgust for the person sitting in front of him. How would he have reacted if he'd been interviewing Choudry I wonder... kowtowing and trying to understand and move towards peace and harmony no doubt. Of course like all bullies he can dish it out but he can't take it... couldn't even formulate a response when Nadine Dorries called him on how far his snout was into the BBC gravy-train.
Never understood why Alan Johnson and Micheal Portillo put up with him on This Week... and someone needs to tell him that all that Blue Nun and Annabel's twaddle has had its day.
It means they have exactly the same privileges as everyone else
everyone else....you mean men
You believe women are a discriminated against minority
I don't accept they are, women do women things and men do men things in general
I think intelligent and able women must be allowed opportunity..
but by extended this to all women, we are losing touch with reality in my opinion
we will pay a price for this somewhere up the line ..
our society is also suffering because women are not doing women things, good mothers and wives, etc
everyone else..
..you mean menYou believe women are a discriminated against minority
I don't accept they are, women do women things and men do men things in general
I think intelligent and able women must be allowed opportunity..
but by extended this to all women, we are losing touch with reality in my opinion
we will pay a price for this somewhere up the line ..
our society is also suffering because women are not doing women things, good mothers and wives, etc
Men and Women must work in partnership, each doing what they are best at
It is the same with this 'gay marriage' thing, homosexuality is only ever a substitute
for heterosexuality, to allow us to express our sexual side in the absence of the opposite sex
It can never be considered the same as heterosexuality, so must always
remain in the closet so to speak
Otherwise we are losing touch with reality..
so again will pay for this somewhere up the line
It is the same with this 'gay marriage' thing, homosexuality is only ever a substitute
for heterosexuality, to allow us to express our sexual side in the absence of the opposite sex
It can never be considered the same as heterosexuality, so must always
remain in the closet so to speak
Otherwise we are losing touch with reality..
so again will pay for this somewhere up the line
Our British weather has now been officially renamed Islamic Weather
its partly Sunni but mostly Shi'ite
its partly Sunni but mostly Shi'ite
all you terrible racists one here - I will have to take over madlad's job if he doesn't come on and get you lot -
Arf arf arf!
Moist sock,
You know, every time you lie to someone, your penis gets a little shorter!
Moist sock,
You know, every time you lie to someone, your penis gets a little shorter!
^^^^ He listed crimes by the EDL/BNP combined (46% were by non-EDL/BNP members but he didn't want you to read that far...)
23 arrests, 18 prosecutions (cases pending)
23 arrests, for 632 'hate' crimes
609 are total rubbish, or they would have been arrested.
Now we have the 1,400 cases of abuse on white girls in the Rotherham area, and as you'd expect, he's nowhere to be seen.
And
11 pakistani men recently arrested in Aylesbury (down south) for 'alleged' abuse of young girls.
The 11th one was arrested yesterday, he's from Bradford.
23 arrests, 18 prosecutions (cases pending)
23 arrests, for 632 'hate' crimes
609 are total rubbish, or they would have been arrested.
Now we have the 1,400 cases of abuse on white girls in the Rotherham area, and as you'd expect, he's nowhere to be seen.
And
11 pakistani men recently arrested in Aylesbury (down south) for 'alleged' abuse of young girls.
The 11th one was arrested yesterday, he's from Bradford.
Now we have the 1,400 cases of abuse on white girls in the Rotherham area, and as you'd expect, he's nowhere to be seen.
The tribe supports the tribe ,they see the abuse of females as something we need to embrace in the name of multiculturalism,they have been given "the whip hand"by the Labour party.
The tribe supports the tribe ,they see the abuse of females as something we need to embrace in the name of multiculturalism,they have been given "the whip hand"by the Labour party.
They have been since 1997,dont worry about me,1400 young white girls were abused in sickening,racist,violent and sexual attacks,helped by a Labour local coucil and a **** like you still seemingly wants the messenger shot?
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