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By:
rob_dylan
When: 29 Sep 12 10:26
Tbf cricketjon it will cost them 50k to go to uni thanks to the profligate generations that went before them and pissed it all up the wall.
By:
cricketjon
When: 29 Sep 12 10:39
how does that explain a school trip to LA? What was the educational objective? and thirdly the uni route is not a route i would propose whether it costs 50k or 5k
By:
TheBetterBettor
When: 29 Sep 12 10:41
meganstammers.com domain name has been taken Cry
By:
TheBetterBettor
When: 29 Sep 12 10:42
how much will the parents sell their story????
By:
moisok
When: 29 Sep 12 10:50
why is this such headline news  I don't get it - I suppose it excites the media types - think they should start asking questions about themselves whilst poor girls all over the country are being abused by gangs but is swept under the table STILL
By:
moisok
When: 29 Sep 12 10:51
but they are getting stuck into jimmy saville who is dead and can't answer back!!!  funny old world
By:
The Magic Flea
When: 29 Sep 12 11:15
she'll sell the story, he'll do a couple of months in jail and when she's 16 they'll move in together.
By:
alun2005
When: 29 Sep 12 11:43
The ONLY reason non-stories like this get lapped up by the tabloid media is because it offers them the mouth-watering potential to get their favourite word onto the front page. I hardly need add that the word is, of course, PAEDO.

It all backfired stupendously for them a few years back, when poor Maddy Macca was apparently 'kidnapped' by a cross-section of celebrity lookalikes operating across the globe ('Ted Bovis' being my particular favourite), when they had to pay massive damages and make grovelling and humiliating apologies in open court to that local man (and others) disgracefully and wrongly accused of all sorts. Inexplicably, not one British journalist or editor lost their job over publishing the most grievous libels imaginable.
By:
Pandorica
When: 29 Sep 12 11:52
Don't get the objections/puzzlement re the media interest in the story. Petra summed it up very nicely imo.
Or to use an old aphorism:
Dog bites man - not news.
Man bites dog - news story.

Child abused in UK - sadly, very common. News only in extreme cases.
Child ups and runs off abroad with her teacher - somewhat less common I'd say.

To say this is a 'non-story' is bizarre. It clearly is a story that people are interested in. And rightly so.

Or on another tack that I'm surprised the Daily Mail haven't taken - this bloke has been getting paid by you and I at times when he has been, (erm, allegedly), engaged in child abuse. That's something we should be told about.
By:
Pandorica
When: 29 Sep 12 11:57
Incidentally, another oddity is about to occur I think.
Her name, that has been plastered over the front pages and in just about every news report in the last week will very soon disappear from view, to be replaced by, "a girl of 15 who can not be named for legal reasons".
By:
moisok
When: 29 Sep 12 12:13
love it love it  'legal reasons' and so right

but the forensic picking over the details by Sky, in particular, is both unnecessary and sickening - keeps other more serious stuff off the news
the claim that publicising this to help her be found is no longer the excuse to spend so much time on it
they won't do this for the culturally sensitive related issues that involve more than one underage girl - more like hundreds

the pope's butler  is more important as a news item
By:
A_T
When: 29 Sep 12 12:15
Andrew Mitchell's thank-you letter is in the post
By:
Clerkmore
When: 29 Sep 12 12:28
Why is this story so much in the news as if she was in danger?

By all accounts, she went of her own free will and intended to stay. She's had a free holiday, done some sightseeing, improved her maths probably, certainly improved her conversational French and has probably experienced carnal pleasures in a better way than with the fumblings of a spotty faced youth.
By:
Pandorica
When: 29 Sep 12 12:33
That's alright then Clerky. Good message to send out to teachers in secondary schools and all others in positions of trust and authority.
As for the danger, probably minimal but to be honest anyone who's done what he's done must have a frickin slate loose somewhere. Could have ended badly for one or both of them.
By:
The Magic Flea
When: 29 Sep 12 12:37
the guy got married last year. Probably realised he made the biggest mistake of his life. then this young lass with large chebs comes across and he probably thinks fk it. It cannot get worse. Le Voila. Kudos to him, he took the chance.
By:
The Magic Flea
When: 29 Sep 12 12:39
most people self destruct by alcohol, he self destroyed by possibly spaffing on some young chebs
By:
Crisp77
When: 29 Sep 12 12:55
Are you a tombstone writer The Magic Flea?

I might want a quote for mine LaughLaughLaugh
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 29 Sep 12 14:40
Are teachers allowed to have Facebook and Twitter accounts and 'friend' and 'folow' their pupils?

If so, their contracts need re-writing.

This guy is an embarrassment to his profession frankly.
By:
Pandorica
When: 29 Sep 12 15:49
Teachers nationwide have all had warnings about Twitter and Facebook accounts RH - warnings from their own unions and from their employers. They are allowed them because they can't be forbidden from doing so but it's a ropey thing to do imo.
It's not just a matter of being a 'friend' of pupils or of 'following' or being 'followed' on Twitter by pupils, the problem can be more convoluted than that. Very often school staff, not necessarily teachers, are from the area around the school. They have 'friends' who are parents at the school who are, in turn, 'friends' with others and with kids at the school. The member of staff, lets say it's a TA, is friends with a teacher and very soon any lapse on privacy settings, or simply a rogue comment made after a couple of glasses of vino, leads to comments being seen by eyes that they weren't meant for, or images being seen by parents and kids that the teacher really wouldn't want to be floating round school. Falling over drunk on a summer holiday might be a vaguely acceptable occurrence for the Head of Chemistry to do; but probably not something he/she should be sharing with Year 10 kids.
School staff all over the country have been disciplined and sacked as a result of Twitter and Facebook indiscretions. The bloke in this case is a total embarrassment to the profession and some of the laissez faire comments on here defy belief.
(Some of the puns are quality though.)
By:
Crisp77
When: 29 Sep 12 15:54
The problem is to be a good teacher you actually have to care about the kids. Problem is I suppose drawing up the correct boundaries.
By:
Pandorica
When: 29 Sep 12 16:00
Yep - somewhere in between beating them round the head with a dumbbell and sh@gging them senseless on a P&O ferry, there is a line to be drawn.
By:
Crisp77
When: 29 Sep 12 16:03
Shag them with a dumbbell. Simples
By:
Pandorica
When: 29 Sep 12 16:10
Almost as embarrassing for the profession as his child abuse is his complete feckin idiocy. In a country where isolated rented accommodation can be obtained without ever meeting the property owner and where it's dead cheap to do it out of season, this chump marches down the high street of one of France's busiest cities. Moron.
By:
Crisp77
When: 29 Sep 12 16:13
Laugh
By:
yeahyeahwhatever
When: 29 Sep 12 16:47
re: Crisp77  29 Sep 12 15:54   
The problem is to be a good teacher you actually have to care about the kids. Problem is I suppose drawing up the correct boundaries.



I disagree, if your primary focus is to care about the children then you should have been a social worker.  As a teacher your primary focus is to care about their education, and because you care about that, it means you run a controlled and disciplined  classroom... unlike most of the zoos that pass for classrooms these days.

Far too many young teachers want to be liked by their class, both pupils and teachers are much better off when the class is terrified of the teacher Happy
By:
cricketjon
When: 29 Sep 12 17:18
spot on yyw
By:
Pandorica
When: 29 Sep 12 17:22
About as far from spot on as you can get but that's the Betfair forum for you
By:
gawdalmighty
When: 29 Sep 12 17:24
Although only 15, the student did consent to go along with the teacher and I doubt if she feels in any way violated (maybe I am wrong). Yes, it was wrong of the teacher in this case and the parents can breathe a sigh of relief that their daughter is fine BUT I find it difficult to equate this story with other stories of child abuse and abduction.

Fast forward a year or two...teacher & student will probably be living together anyway.
By:
yeahyeahwhatever
When: 29 Sep 12 17:33
let me guess Pandorica - completed your teacher training within the last ten years?
By:
Pandorica
When: 29 Sep 12 17:35
no
By:
Pandorica
When: 29 Sep 12 17:36
But on the other hand I do live in 2012.
By:
yeahyeahwhatever
When: 29 Sep 12 17:38
How many years ago then? 

and how many years since you were last in front of a class?
By:
Pandorica
When: 29 Sep 12 17:40
20
Erm ... about 27 hrs
By:
Pandorica
When: 29 Sep 12 17:41
Is this timetable going anywhere?
By:
yeahyeahwhatever
When: 29 Sep 12 17:43
Primary or Secondary?  Pastoral care?
By:
Pandorica
When: 29 Sep 12 17:45
See above re teachers giving away too much information online.
Weird of you to ask for all the details imo.
By:
yeahyeahwhatever
When: 29 Sep 12 17:54
How on earth is that too much information?  Unless pandorica is a username you use on other sites of course...


I think pastoral care is best tackled out of the classroom by dedicated staff.  Yes, teachers should know what is going on but their job is to teach.  When I think back to my schooldays, we had teachers who were pushovers, we knew that we could easily waste a lesson if we asked them questions about their hobbies or interests.  We'd sit there pretending to be interested, but once the class was over we'd be outside ridiculing them.

Today pupils are far more savvy than we ever were, and where you have teachers who honestly believe that the best way to engage a class is to be their friend, the teaching can very quickly evaporate.  In same cases teachers are nothing more than puppets, controlled by the class bullies. 

I really don't care if a student likes or dislikes me, I care that at the end of course they will have the best qualification they're able to achieve.
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 29 Sep 12 18:00
Don't think you need to worry too much about whether they like you orn not but do you reallyt want thm to be terrified of you as you stated earlier?

I don't see how a terrified child is going to receive a proper education.
By:
Pandorica
When: 29 Sep 12 18:01
Don't think I use it anywhere else but my life history is irrelevant.
I don't much mind if a kid likes me or not either but that's not the point. It doesn't mean I don't care about them - see Crispy's original post.
You seem to be confusing holistic education, with friendship, with caring.
By:
yeahyeahwhatever
When: 29 Sep 12 18:13
I never said I don't care about my pupils, there are kids who live in such awful situations it's reduced to tears - no doubt you've felt the same.  It makes no difference whether if because of the suffering they are the mouthy, violent ones or the scared, bullied ones... once you start blurring the lines you don't actually help them.  If kids are trapped in poverty, abusive parents etc then the best hope for them is to get a good education so they can remove themselves into a better life.

I absolutely believe in pastoral care, but if a teacher starts acting as a counsellor to a damaged kid they will kick off when, inevitably, you have to switch to teacher-mode... and if you don't, they'll more than likely cling to you/walk all over you.
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