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07 Aug 12
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4th day missing and still no sign.
She is a relation on my wifes side and the family are going frantic.
She is a relation on my wifes side and the family are going frantic.
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Not sure you can police that one.
Many ex cons have their own kids. And as we know parents can be a danger to their own children.
Many ex cons have their own kids. And as we know parents can be a danger to their own children.
You might think this a bit harsh but i would like the underclass to be vetted before bring allowed to have children...only those who have the potential to contribute to society should be allowed to breed.
Posy
Do you mean having a work ethic to provide financially or just one of educational and moralistic standards?
Do you mean having a work ethic to provide financially or just one of educational and moralistic standards?
what i don't like about this case is he moved from the mother to the grandmother
not role behaviour
not role behaviour
AG Certainly not just financially. You need a licence in this country to drive a car or sell alcohol so why not to have a child.
ha ha let's resort to personal abuse - excellent tactic - but then you apologists always do
throw in the odd racist accusation while you are at it
liberals making excuses - I just love it
throw in the odd racist accusation while you are at it
liberals making excuses - I just love it
Moisok
You consistently fail to add any substance to the the bigger problem. You are quick to point the finger but offer no solution.
That quantifies an idiot Sun readers mentality. AKA an idiot.
You consistently fail to add any substance to the the bigger problem. You are quick to point the finger but offer no solution.
That quantifies an idiot Sun readers mentality. AKA an idiot.
even better - you keep up the insults - never mind and not your fault
Not sure why you feel everything revolves around you Moisok.
well YOU are the one dishing out the insults
all I said was I wouldnt let him (or anyone like him) near my children
all I said was I wouldnt let him (or anyone like him) near my children
As you keep repeating your own mantra i would not expect anything of more substance from you.
You obviously want all child murders to stay away from children. Yet how can you tell who are the child killers before they actually kill? Should all ex cons carry a warning sign to prevent them being left alone with children?
Perhaps a policy were all children must be in the company of at least one blood relative or else a baby sitter who must be vetted?
You obviously want all child murders to stay away from children. Yet how can you tell who are the child killers before they actually kill? Should all ex cons carry a warning sign to prevent them being left alone with children?
Perhaps a policy were all children must be in the company of at least one blood relative or else a baby sitter who must be vetted?
that's ok then
I know my own mind and know my own responsibilities to my own children. I try as best I can to provide appropriate parenting, care and loving. The thought of any of this lot associating with me or my family makes me shudder !!!
I know my own mind and know my own responsibilities to my own children. I try as best I can to provide appropriate parenting, care and loving. The thought of any of this lot associating with me or my family makes me shudder !!!
Moisok
Do you actually think that the family had any ideas that he was a child killer. She was not left in a strangers house. She had a bedroom at her grandmothers were she often stayed.
How many ex cons have murdered their partners granddaughter that you know of?
Do you actually think that the family had any ideas that he was a child killer. She was not left in a strangers house. She had a bedroom at her grandmothers were she often stayed.
How many ex cons have murdered their partners granddaughter that you know of?
Often the woman's need for a man causes more heartache to the family than is imaginable. The Grandmother wasn't at all choosy about her men are there laid the problem sadly.
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Pixie
I have 2 young sons and like Moistsok you are ignoring my question.
Were do you draw the line with ex cons being stepfather/stepgrandfather figures for children? Are you saying that ex cons are a risk to children? even when for 5 years they have not put a foot wrong in the eyes of the family.
Pixie i would not allow my sons to sleep under the same roof as you. What does that say about me? what does that say about you?
Jesus wept. What is your problem AG? Is it that you are so ashamed of your partner's scumbag of a family that you have to defend them and their type because you feel for some ridiculous way it may reflect badly on you? You are coming across as extremely foolish either because of this or are just picking an argument just for the sake of it. However, if you really do want your points (?) answered then here we go....
Were do you draw the line with ex cons being stepfather/stepgrandfather figures for children? Are you saying that ex cons are a risk to children? even when for 5 years they have not put a foot wrong in the eyes of the family.
There is obviously no line that any legislation or government can draw or even reasonably enforce on access issues with dangerous ex cons in their role as stepfather/stepgrandfather. THIS RESPONSIBILITY CAN ONLY COME FROM THE MOTHER/FATHER/GUARDIAN OF THE CHILD AT RISK AND THE CHILD'S SAFETY SHOULD ALWAYS BE PUT FIRST BY THEM. YOUR PARTNER'S FAMILY, THE MOTHER AND GRANDMOTHER OF THE POOR MURDERED CHILD, FAILED IN THEIR DUTY OF CARE. GOT IT? IS THAT REALLY THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
Pixie i would not allow my sons to sleep under the same roof as you. What does that say about me? what does that say about you?
This moronic sentence says quite a lot about you actually. I would sincerely hope that you wouldn't let your sons sleep under the roof of a male that you have never met but only argued with on an anonymous internet forum. The fact that you feel you have to tell me this concerns me.
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Pixie
I have 2 young sons and like Moistsok you are ignoring my question.
Were do you draw the line with ex cons being stepfather/stepgrandfather figures for children? Are you saying that ex cons are a risk to children? even when for 5 years they have not put a foot wrong in the eyes of the family.
Pixie i would not allow my sons to sleep under the same roof as you. What does that say about me? what does that say about you?
Jesus wept. What is your problem AG? Is it that you are so ashamed of your partner's scumbag of a family that you have to defend them and their type because you feel for some ridiculous way it may reflect badly on you? You are coming across as extremely foolish either because of this or are just picking an argument just for the sake of it. However, if you really do want your points (?) answered then here we go....
Were do you draw the line with ex cons being stepfather/stepgrandfather figures for children? Are you saying that ex cons are a risk to children? even when for 5 years they have not put a foot wrong in the eyes of the family.
There is obviously no line that any legislation or government can draw or even reasonably enforce on access issues with dangerous ex cons in their role as stepfather/stepgrandfather. THIS RESPONSIBILITY CAN ONLY COME FROM THE MOTHER/FATHER/GUARDIAN OF THE CHILD AT RISK AND THE CHILD'S SAFETY SHOULD ALWAYS BE PUT FIRST BY THEM. YOUR PARTNER'S FAMILY, THE MOTHER AND GRANDMOTHER OF THE POOR MURDERED CHILD, FAILED IN THEIR DUTY OF CARE. GOT IT? IS THAT REALLY THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
Pixie i would not allow my sons to sleep under the same roof as you. What does that say about me? what does that say about you?
This moronic sentence says quite a lot about you actually. I would sincerely hope that you wouldn't let your sons sleep under the roof of a male that you have never met but only argued with on an anonymous internet forum. The fact that you feel you have to tell me this concerns me.
THE MOTHER AND GRANDMOTHER OF THE POOR MURDERED CHILD, FAILED IN THEIR DUTY OF CARE. GOT IT? IS THAT REALLY THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
So when a child is left with a step grandfather. The family are failing in their duty of care?
So when a child is left with a step grandfather. The family are failing in their duty of care?
No. Did you not read my post?
I'll spell it out for you one last time. It's about personal responsibility.... Only in this case the child was too young to be responsible for herself so her scumbag mother/grandmother should have been looking after her but failed miserably in their duty of care. They felt, or more likely didn't care, that it was ok to leave a vulnerable child in the sole care of an ex con with a history of violence, drug taking and drug dealing.
IT DOES NOT MATTER ONE JOT THAT HE HAPPENED TO BE THE VICTIM'S STEPFATHER/STEPGRANDFATHER. JUST THAT ANY HALF DECENT PARENT/GUARDIAN WOULD KNOW THAT IT WOULD NOT BE SAFE FOR A CHILD IN THEIR CARE TO BE LEFT ALONE WITH A PERSON WITH A CRIMINAL AND PERSONAL HISTORY LIKE HIS.
Would you leave your teenage daughters (if you had them) in the care of their step grandfather if the step grandfather happened to be Jimmy Savile?
I'll spell it out for you one last time. It's about personal responsibility.... Only in this case the child was too young to be responsible for herself so her scumbag mother/grandmother should have been looking after her but failed miserably in their duty of care. They felt, or more likely didn't care, that it was ok to leave a vulnerable child in the sole care of an ex con with a history of violence, drug taking and drug dealing.
IT DOES NOT MATTER ONE JOT THAT HE HAPPENED TO BE THE VICTIM'S STEPFATHER/STEPGRANDFATHER. JUST THAT ANY HALF DECENT PARENT/GUARDIAN WOULD KNOW THAT IT WOULD NOT BE SAFE FOR A CHILD IN THEIR CARE TO BE LEFT ALONE WITH A PERSON WITH A CRIMINAL AND PERSONAL HISTORY LIKE HIS.
Would you leave your teenage daughters (if you had them) in the care of their step grandfather if the step grandfather happened to be Jimmy Savile?
In this case absolutely yes. A criminal record, previously shacked up with the mother, in and out of work, you don't need a law to tell you to avoid these scumbags.
AG,whats the latest on the case,know the step g/father on remand but when does the case come to trial,is he gonna admit murder or is he still relying on evidence being flawed?
Would you leave your teenage daughters (if you had them) in the care of their step grandfather if the step grandfather happened to be Jimmy Savile?
Was it known to people that Jimmy Saville was a sex case? I am sure family members of Saville`s would have trusted their children in his care if they didn`t know he was a case.
Tia had known him for 5 years. Was there any signs that he would snap and kill her? Thousands of blokes have a history of drink and violence to other men. These men are scattered all over society. They cut the grass, wash the dishes, make the bed, take the kids to the park, help with homework etc....then boom they snap and murder?? is this what you are saying.
Or is this case just a one off? because if it`s not then we have 1000`s of kids in danger.
Was it known to people that Jimmy Saville was a sex case? I am sure family members of Saville`s would have trusted their children in his care if they didn`t know he was a case.
Tia had known him for 5 years. Was there any signs that he would snap and kill her? Thousands of blokes have a history of drink and violence to other men. These men are scattered all over society. They cut the grass, wash the dishes, make the bed, take the kids to the park, help with homework etc....then boom they snap and murder?? is this what you are saying.
Or is this case just a one off? because if it`s not then we have 1000`s of kids in danger.
Barrowboy
The plea hearing is in March and the trial in May.
The police have made a pigs ear of the case so how he is going to plead is still open to speculation.
The plea hearing is in March and the trial in May.
The police have made a pigs ear of the case so how he is going to plead is still open to speculation.
As you well know, this child and this horrific, dysfunctional family were well known to Social Services. There was every chance that an incident like this could have happened and the poor child's carers put her in a position where the worst and quite possibly inevitable, thing happened.
The poor child was not afforded the protection that every child should have as a right. My children (and thankfully 99.9% of the country's) will never be placed in such danger.
The poor child was not afforded the protection that every child should have as a right. My children (and thankfully 99.9% of the country's) will never be placed in such danger.
In this case absolutely yes. A criminal record, previously shacked up with the mother, in and out of work, you don't need a law to tell you to avoid these scumbags.
These scumbags are two a penny on these estates Blacky. In and out of prison. Yet the kids are generally safe and actually protected. Of course scummy role models but they don`t often snap into child murderers after 5 years.
These scumbags are two a penny on these estates Blacky. In and out of prison. Yet the kids are generally safe and actually protected. Of course scummy role models but they don`t often snap into child murderers after 5 years.
ok right,so when you say the police have made a pigs ear was it simply a case of the length of time it took to find her body.
Yes Barrowboy.
Imagine if Tia had been found after the first search in the attic. The autopsy would have determined cause and time.
Imagine if Tia had been found after the first search in the attic. The autopsy would have determined cause and time.
Yes, because the children aren't left alone with them.
Of course they are Pixie. What happens to the kids when the mother goes to work? The ex con boyfriend looks after the kids.
Of course they are Pixie. What happens to the kids when the mother goes to work? The ex con boyfriend looks after the kids.
You're being pathetic and deliberately obtuse. You win, I can't be bothered to waste my time arguing. Your partner has a lovely loving family in New Addington, you must be very proud of them, just a pity one of them died tho.
It`s not my partners family. Her step dad is a relation. Generalising about the entire family is poor.
It`s not my partners family. Her step dad is a relation. Generalising about the entire family is poor.
wouldn't let any of them near my children
wouldn't allow any association with the family either
some people have no idea of caring for their children
and apologists try to make excuses for people who have no idea how to behave properly
in society
of course he is being obtuse and deflecting
most of those who make excuses for these sort of people do this - it is their one clearly defined tactic.
wouldn't allow any association with the family either
some people have no idea of caring for their children
and apologists try to make excuses for people who have no idea how to behave properly
in society
of course he is being obtuse and deflecting
most of those who make excuses for these sort of people do this - it is their one clearly defined tactic.
What happens to the kids when the mother goes to work? The ex con boyfriend looks after the kids.
Which bit is obtuse?
Which bit is obtuse?
wouldn't let any of them near my children
Who are you talking about? the mother, the Gran, the uncles, the great uncles?? Do you know much about the great uncles?
Who are you talking about? the mother, the Gran, the uncles, the great uncles?? Do you know much about the great uncles?
We know plenty about the bloke that killed her, so did his girlfriends.
Really don't know what your point is here gabrial, you lie down with dogs you get fleas, getting involved with scumbags is irresponsible at best.
Really don't know what your point is here gabrial, you lie down with dogs you get fleas, getting involved with scumbags is irresponsible at best.
My point is that there are disfunctional families with scumbgs acting as the male guardian throughout our society.
If you think about it, there must be thousands of kids at risk from men with criminal pasts. I am therefore surprised more kids are not murdered if these men are liable to be child murderers.
In actual fact children are more in danger from depressed biological parents.
If you think about it, there must be thousands of kids at risk from men with criminal pasts. I am therefore surprised more kids are not murdered if these men are liable to be child murderers.
In actual fact children are more in danger from depressed biological parents.
simple rule to abide by ...never leave a child with a man whose decorated himself with tatoos as he's obviously barking.
....... or one that having slept with your daughter, turns his attentions to you
....... or one that having slept with your daughter, turns his attentions to you
Trial has begun 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22433295
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22433295
Gabriel must be hard for family listening to what's coming out---the guys evil
If the police suspected him from the start and they knew he didn`t drive then perhaps they should have been more thorough in searching the loft instead of implementing Christine into it.
Evidence is still needed to convict him of murder. It`s a mess.
Evidence is still needed to convict him of murder. It`s a mess.
The jurors will have to decide though Tobe, can they be sure it wasn`t an accident. The autopsy was inconclusive regarding cause.
There will be other questions raised as well.
There will be other questions raised as well.
the jury can decide what they want - if he tries to claim an accident (like Huntley and Tabak) and the jury don't believe him it's murder.
1.01 verdict will be guilty of murder
1.01 verdict will be guilty of murder
surprised he is pleading anything but guilty reading the photographic evidence they have
does sound like the Huntley defence will be used
does sound like the Huntley defence will be used
I imagine i would panic if a tragic accident happened when i was the only adult but fk me dont think i would wrap up the body and hide it in the loft. He is clearly guilty. Wasnt his napeighbour also under suspicion? Surely guilty, sadly sexually motivated too. I also cant be having any excuses from the cops, they should have found the body earlier. It was sad, embarassing and ultimately tragic at a time when the country was on a high duringthe olympics.
A sex toy with blood on it was found, how is he going to explain that?
Its her blood according to http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/07/tia-sharp-stuart-hazell_n_3229467.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
Prosecutor Andrew Edis QC said that a sex toy with Tia's blood on it was found at her grandmother's house after she died.
Prosecutor Andrew Edis QC said that a sex toy with Tia's blood on it was found at her grandmother's house after she died.
Yesterdays news was truly terrible - even the six o'clock news contained so much child molestation , murder and kidnapping i really didnt want my kids to see. You would like to think when this scumbag gets to prison he will be torn to pieces and live his life in fear - but i strongly suspect the entire secure wing is filling up with these evil perverts now.
if we had the death penalty at least he wouldn't do it again
They should 'farm' his body for any useful component parts and just dispose of the rest.
but surely a reduced sentence means the same here surely that he wont ever be coming out , so whats the point of pleading guilty
Murder of a child involving sexual conduct should mean a `whole life order`
gabrial's stance here is extraordinary.
From, he cant have done it the family love him, to they won't get a conviction, and finally he pleads guilty.
From, he cant have done it the family love him, to they won't get a conviction, and finally he pleads guilty.
An absoulte monster, hope he gets the full torture treatment inside.
I see they all come out of the woodwork now saying what a nasty bit of work he was
I make the comment that along the lines of 'they would NOW wouldn't they' .Then i get told they did and they have previously - locals etc OH YEAH!!!! anyway the CCDA were on to him as a wrong 'un
You only had to look.!!!
I make the comment that along the lines of 'they would NOW wouldn't they' .Then i get told they did and they have previously - locals etc OH YEAH!!!! anyway the CCDA were on to him as a wrong 'un
You only had to look.!!!
He wont get a reduced sentence surely. Prob get life with at least forty years before being eligible for parole like huntley. Maybe he was telling the truth and thinks the family have been through enough.
Guilty of murder verdict was inevitable - his brief probably told him as much and he might as well fess up. Doubt it will do him any good though.
I was just going by this A-T
Where the offender is 21 or over at the time of the offence and the court takes the view that the murder is so grave that the offender should spend the rest of his life in prison, a 'whole life order' is the appropriate starting point. The early release provisions in section 28 of the Crime (Sentences) Act 1997 will then not apply. Such an order should only be specified where the court considers that the seriousness of the offence is exceptionally high. Such cases include:
a) the murder of two or more persons where each murder involves a substantial degree of premeditation, the abduction of the victim, or sexual or sadistic conduct;
b) the murder of a child if involving the abduction of the child or sexual or sadistic motivation;
c) a murder done for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause; or
d) a murder by an offender previously convicted of murder.
Where the offender is 21 or over at the time of the offence and the court takes the view that the murder is so grave that the offender should spend the rest of his life in prison, a 'whole life order' is the appropriate starting point. The early release provisions in section 28 of the Crime (Sentences) Act 1997 will then not apply. Such an order should only be specified where the court considers that the seriousness of the offence is exceptionally high. Such cases include:
a) the murder of two or more persons where each murder involves a substantial degree of premeditation, the abduction of the victim, or sexual or sadistic conduct;
b) the murder of a child if involving the abduction of the child or sexual or sadistic motivation;
c) a murder done for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause; or
d) a murder by an offender previously convicted of murder.
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_-_mandatory_life_sentences_in_...
Fair enough.
Incidentally I don't think chit-chat favourites Huntley and Vincent Tabak are not subject to this tariff. And many will remember the embarrassing occasion when the CDDA imposed its own "whole life tariff" on the Bristol landlord before he was even arrested. The wrong-un test is not infallible though it was spot on with Hazell.
Incidentally I don't think chit-chat favourites Huntley and Vincent Tabak are not subject to this tariff. And many will remember the embarrassing occasion when the CDDA imposed its own "whole life tariff" on the Bristol landlord before he was even arrested. The wrong-un test is not infallible though it was spot on with Hazell.
The wrong un test regards the bristol landlord seemed to revolve around a crazy haircut and gutter press reports that he liked poetry. Glad he got a load of compo. Was a very eloquent speaker at Leveson too. If there was any justice the pinkshment to those papers would have been to have the papers banned from publishing for a week instead of a fine that is peanuts to them.
think huntley has to do min 40 and tabak 20 which seems ludicrously lenient for sex killing
Not saying i agree with the sentencing there mafeking, but i think raping and killing a child is worse than raping and killing an adult.
There was no rape involved in those murders was there Rob?
Surely was with huntley. Dont know about tabak,just presumed so.
So Huntley just killed those girls cos he liked killing children? I dont think so.
I`m not sure it`s about what you think Rob, have a look into the case and find out, there was no mention of rape.
Huntley saw the girls and asked them to come into his house. He said that his girlfriend, Maxine Carr, their teaching assistant at St Andrew's Primary School, was in the house too. She had in fact gone to visit family in Grimsby, Lincolnshire. Shortly after the girls entered his house, Huntley murdered them.
Huntley's motive for killing Wells and Chapman may never be known, but minutes before seeing them he had reportedly slammed the telephone down on Carr following a furious argument; Huntley had allegedly suspected Carr of cheating on him. The police suspected that Huntley killed the girls in a fit of jealous rage. Huntley's mother also said this.[1] The police found no evidence of premeditation.[2]
Huntley saw the girls and asked them to come into his house. He said that his girlfriend, Maxine Carr, their teaching assistant at St Andrew's Primary School, was in the house too. She had in fact gone to visit family in Grimsby, Lincolnshire. Shortly after the girls entered his house, Huntley murdered them.
Huntley's motive for killing Wells and Chapman may never be known, but minutes before seeing them he had reportedly slammed the telephone down on Carr following a furious argument; Huntley had allegedly suspected Carr of cheating on him. The police suspected that Huntley killed the girls in a fit of jealous rage. Huntley's mother also said this.[1] The police found no evidence of premeditation.[2]
This Character and Huntley should be put down ,anyone committing those sort of crimes is beyond redemption.
i don't think they could even determine the cause of death such was the state of the bodies. remember they were missing for about 2 weeks
didn't tabak just try it on when her boyfriend was away and strangled her when she resisted ? he had fantasised about strangling women
didn't tabak just try it on when her boyfriend was away and strangled her when she resisted ? he had fantasised about strangling women
"anyone committing those sort of crimes is beyond redemption."
They certainly are.
They certainly are.
Yes Rob most definitely..it makes a difference to sentencing however.
Where the offender is 21 or over at the time of the offence and the court takes the view that the murder is so grave that the offender should spend the rest of his life in prison, a 'whole life order' is the appropriate starting point. The early release provisions in section 28 of the Crime (Sentences) Act 1997 will then not apply. Such an order should only be specified where the court considers that the seriousness of the offence is exceptionally high. Such cases include:
a) the murder of two or more persons where each murder involves a substantial degree of premeditation, the abduction of the victim, or sexual or sadistic conduct;
b) the murder of a child if involving the abduction of the child or sexual or sadistic motivation;
c) a murder done for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause; or
d) a murder by an offender previously convicted of murder.
Where the offender is 21 or over at the time of the offence and the court takes the view that the murder is so grave that the offender should spend the rest of his life in prison, a 'whole life order' is the appropriate starting point. The early release provisions in section 28 of the Crime (Sentences) Act 1997 will then not apply. Such an order should only be specified where the court considers that the seriousness of the offence is exceptionally high. Such cases include:
a) the murder of two or more persons where each murder involves a substantial degree of premeditation, the abduction of the victim, or sexual or sadistic conduct;
b) the murder of a child if involving the abduction of the child or sexual or sadistic motivation;
c) a murder done for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause; or
d) a murder by an offender previously convicted of murder.
If it was official, Huntley would have received a `whole life order`
Surely this should be mandatory for all child killers.
Surely this should be mandatory for all child killers.
this case is pretty rare. apparently he has no previous convictions for offences of a sexual nature. usually there's a history of offences leading to a killing
I am not talking about law ffs,I am talking about justice. Huntley should never be released. Neither should Hazell. Admittedly I dont know much about the Bristol case other than that the gutter press should have been shat on from a far higher height than they were for their treatment of someone that happened to like poetry and had an unruly hairstyle.
Cant see either of them ever being released.
Life without possibility of parole far more common in america than here. In many states first degree murder is automatic rest of natural life.
Just cant see how guy like hazel could ever be trusted again even in 35 years time in his 70s.
Life without possibility of parole far more common in america than here. In many states first degree murder is automatic rest of natural life.
Just cant see how guy like hazel could ever be trusted again even in 35 years time in his 70s.
i doubt huntley ever will be released tbh. like hindley public revulsion at his crime will mean he'll just keep getting knocked back by the parole board when he applies
Ok. You also said there was no rape involved in the soham murders. I doubt that.
There is no rape mentioned in the case Rob, who knows. Lack of evidence and all that.
Shortly after the girls entered his house, Huntley murdered them.
Shortly after the girls entered his house, Huntley murdered them.
yeah, till he gets a parole hearing
Will surely be in jail till he dies
The court heard shocking evidence in which it was alleged Hazell took pictures of Tia’s naked body after he murdered her. Police also found internet searches including the terms ‘naked little girlies’, ‘illegal under-age incest pics’ and ‘schoolgirl abuse’ on his computer.
There were Google searches for ‘violent forced rape’, ‘little girls in glasses’, ‘daddy daughter pictures’ and ‘under age incest galleries’.
He sought out images of young girls who looked like Tia, with glasses and ponytails.
Detective Chief Inspector Nick Scola said Hazell’s web activity was significant: ‘Clearly they were paedophile searches. That must have shaped his behaviour in some way.’
Detectives believe that in the months before the murder Hazell deliberately removed the bathroom door at the house he shared with Tia’s grandmother so he could watch the schoolgirl.
He is also thought to have modified the light socket in her room to create a spyhole.
Judge still says can't be certain their was sexual motive or otherwise would have been 'whole life ' tariff
Will surely be in jail till he dies
The court heard shocking evidence in which it was alleged Hazell took pictures of Tia’s naked body after he murdered her. Police also found internet searches including the terms ‘naked little girlies’, ‘illegal under-age incest pics’ and ‘schoolgirl abuse’ on his computer.
There were Google searches for ‘violent forced rape’, ‘little girls in glasses’, ‘daddy daughter pictures’ and ‘under age incest galleries’.
He sought out images of young girls who looked like Tia, with glasses and ponytails.
Detective Chief Inspector Nick Scola said Hazell’s web activity was significant: ‘Clearly they were paedophile searches. That must have shaped his behaviour in some way.’
Detectives believe that in the months before the murder Hazell deliberately removed the bathroom door at the house he shared with Tia’s grandmother so he could watch the schoolgirl.
He is also thought to have modified the light socket in her room to create a spyhole.
Judge still says can't be certain their was sexual motive or otherwise would have been 'whole life ' tariff
Judge still says can't be certain their was sexual motive or otherwise would have been 'whole life ' tariff
Ffs,how much more evidence does he need that Hazel was sexually motivated.
Ffs,how much more evidence does he need that Hazel was sexually motivated.
Detective Chief Inspector Nick Scola said Hazell’s web activity was significant: ‘Clearly they were paedophile searches. That must have shaped his behaviour in some way.’
Surely Hazell searched the internt for kiddy porn because he was a paedo - it's not the act of searching that made him one.
Surely Hazell searched the internt for kiddy porn because he was a paedo - it's not the act of searching that made him one.
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