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Snooker discussion : Pocketing a ball along the rail.
Snooker discussion : Pocketing a ball along the rail.
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I did indeed read your topspin thread, and I must confess at first I thought you were talking bollox.
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Well, you certainly weren't alone, sir!
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Just resurrecting my snooker discussion threads as I wanted to save them from falling off the bottom of the archives.
My apologies if they clutter the forum for a while. |
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Words fail me with this clip. I don't like to get too personal with my criticisms but this gentlemen is the EPA's head coach, so one might reasonably expect him to know better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKfdTlPUGGY&feature=relmfu |
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if it's on a left-h cushion apply right-h 'side' and aim to hit both cushion and object ball simultaneously. vice-versa for opposite cushion.
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that's if it's possible to impart 'side' of course.
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Pokermonster. You may very well know your snooker...but what about your sums?
Surely, your advice given @10:28 on the 20th is entirely dependant upon the size of the fraction! I would suggest that most of the fractional parts of a second would be far too large, and on that basis I declare it bad advice.  Did you mean an itty-bitty fraction?  |
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I have'nt read all the replies but hitting the cushion and ball at the same time with a wee touch of running side would be the way i would have played this shot in my heyday. Assuming its just a single pot with no consideration for position.
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Taking the shot(say 100 times) from the same position and varying the different techniques it should be possible to find your highest strike rate and the technique giving you the best success rate.Incorporate the shot(and any others you don't feel confident about)into your practice.GL.
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Like a lot of things I do its all in the wrist action.
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its best to hit the cushion and object ball at the same time with as much top spin as you can muster
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I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave a few years ago.
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Excellent example of the cushion trough effect in the Ding v King match this afternoon.
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Just bumping a few threads I wanted to save from the upgrade. My apologies for cluttering the forum.
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Pokermonster wrote on 20th April 2011:
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Haven't read the full thread and it's years since I last played snooker but I always aimed to just miss the object ball with a touch of side played on the cue ball.
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A very good strategy, Akabula, you did not fall into the trap (as many coaches advocate) if hitting the ball and cushion simultaneously.
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I loved the game and played with guys like Matt Gibson and Eddie Sinclair.
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From day one Pokermonster the advice was always hit the object ball and cushion at the exact same moment with side(directed to the pocket). This side obviously negates the throw as the ball grabs the cushion along the rail.
Playing the same shot without side it would make sense that one side(far side) of the hits the cushion first as the second half(object ball side) of the cueball catches the object ball secondary. We would need a hot spot sensor like cricket has, on the slow mo cameras to see it, but you are correct. |
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*Playing the same shot without side it would make sense that one side(far side) of the cue ball hits the cushion first as the second half(object ball side) of the cueball catches the object ball secondary.
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Good afternoon, AG, I trust you are well.
I think there might be a small typo in your post, sir. Hitting the object ball and the cushion at the same time with sidespin directed at the pocket wouldn't negate the throw, it would make it worse. When one plays the ball and cushion simultaneously it is imperative to employ sidespin directed away from the pocket. Something akin to the explanation given with the diagram earlier. |
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On older snooker tables (and most pool tables) the results of experiments such as there are skewed somewhat by cushion troughs, the imperceptible valleys in the cloth caused by a thousand balls being forced downwards under the cushion rubber. This factor, more than anything else, is what encourages a ball to 'stick' to the rail.
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Hitting the object ball and the cushion at the same time with side spin directed at the pocket wouldn't negate the throw, it would make it worse.
Place side on the cue ball directed at the pocket( ie right hand side, black ball end cushion, pocket to your right ) and hit the object ball and cushion at the same time. The throw is negated by the side(directed at the pocket) which creates the grab as the object ball clings along the rail. So although the side on the cue ball (directed at the pocket) in angle terms creates more of a throw, what it does is create the grab on the object ball, and it is the grab from the side which negates the throw. |
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It doesn't, AG. Presuming a simultaneous ball/cushion strike, playing sidespin directed at the pocket would throw the object ball onto, and consequently away from, the cushion. This effect can be proved via the experiment shown on page one.
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On older snooker tables (and most pool tables) the results of experiments such as there are skewed somewhat by cushion troughs, the imperceptible valleys in the cloth caused by a thousand balls being forced downwards under the cushion rubber. This factor, more than anything else, is what encourages a ball to 'stick' to the rail.
PM are you suggesting that there will be no grab on a new cloth and that it is a trough that is the cause? This would put the cat among the pigeons because what is thought is what i mentioned in my 18:08 post. |
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I remember a time when English was the language of choice amongst discerning gentlemen.
I'd imagine there's a few variables at play here. Where is the starting point of the white? Where do you want it to end up? As a rule of thumb when I played a lot if I was confident about how true the table was I usually sought to put as little force onto the cue ball as I could get away with to allow the object ball to comfortably reach its destination. Most novice and indeed intermediate players tended to hit the cue ball a little too hard presumably thinking they were the next Jimmy White. Assuming the cue ball was away fro the cushion I would indeed have followed pokermonster's suggestion of aiming to strike the cushion marginally before the actual ball but we'd be talking small fractions. |
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In the same scenario, however, playing the cueball with the opposite sidespin would not only negate the throw, it would also impart a tiny measure of rolling sidespin on the object ball which would help it cling to the rail. By far the most important factor for cushion cling, though, is the valleys present on older tables.
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Blimey! You guys are fast typists.
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I`ve mention this before PM your science would make for great discussion during the interval.
Have you thought about sending your work into the BBC? |
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I wouldn't say no grab, AG, as there is always what is known as contact friction or adhesive friction between two touching bodies, but applying sidespin directed at the pocket most certainly wouldn't help it.
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By the way i am not at all suggesting you are wrong, it does make complete sense and i have spent the last 10 mins spinning balls along cushions in my head and what you say make perfect sense.
Hitting the object ball and cushion at the same time time must be one of the greatest fallacy in the game. Does Willie Thorne know? |
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My apologies for my replies seeming a bit disjointed. You type a little faster than me, gentlemen!
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I have sent a few emails to the BBC over the years about one thing or another, but they never reply.
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Very true PM as in my example the object ball is spinning along the cushion anti clockwise away from the cushion, so what is this magic force our elders taught us?
I knew that they didn`t understand the game in the 70`s  |
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Brand new tables don't have the troughs, they're caused by countless balls striking the cushion and being ever so slightly forced downwards into the cloth by the cushion rubber. Over time all these miniscule divots join up to form a trough.
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Very good thread PM. It`s been the troughs all along.
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Great chatting as always, gentlemen. Good evening to you all.
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I have sent a few emails to the BBC over the years about one thing or another, but they never reply.
Davis would love this, it would make an interesting segment. Perhaps they don`t want there commentators to look like idiots though. |