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A lot of scientists say life started on earth when we had the right mix of primeordial soup, water carbon etc etc ec and life just sprung up. However it isnt quite as simple as that.
Even the very basic forms of life needs DNA, we cannot create life in the lab using just the mix of elements. However it can be done as soon as DNA from other oranisims is put into the mix.
So the question is where does DNA come from, how is it created?
We do not know how DNA molecules first appeared. The chances against a DNA molecule arising by random fluctuations are very small. Some people have therefore suggested that life came to Earth from elsewhere, and that there are seeds of life floating round in the galaxy. However, it seems unlikely that DNA could survive for long in the radiation in space. And even if it could, it would not really help explain the origin of life, because the time available since the formation of carbon is only just over double the age of the Earth.
Stephen Hawkings has an idea on it though:
"The early appearance of life on Earth suggests that there's a good chance of the spontaneous generation of life, in suitable conditions. Maybe there was some simpler form of organisation, which built up DNA. Once DNA appeared, it would have been so successful, that it might have completely replaced the earlier forms. We don't know what these earlier forms would have been. One possibility is RNA. This is like DNA, but rather simpler, and without the double helix structure. Short lengths of RNA, could reproduce themselves like DNA, and might eventually build up to DNA. One can not make nucleic acids in the laboratory, from non-living material, let alone RNA. But given 500 million years, and oceans covering most of the Earth, there might be a reasonable probability of RNA, being made by chance. "
If ifs and ans where pots and pans spring to mind. There is absolutely no science in his statement there.
We do know that DNA is extremley complicated,
Wikipedia says "the main role of DNA molecules is the long-term storage of information. DNA is often compared to a set of blueprints or a recipe, or a code, since it contains the instructions needed to construct other components of cells, such as proteins and RNA molecules". This comparison is very accurate, that is exactly what DNA is, information and information storage.
It is important to understand that, with more than one billion molecules and 1/3 (333+ million) of those being the programming molecules, there are more than 122.9637 x 10 to the 32nd power (sorry, I don't have super script on this software) possible different combinations in just one chromosome. That is 1,229,637 with 28 zeros behind it. Now multiply that times the 46 chromosomes you have in every cell in your body. It is easy to see how complex this can get.
Just one teaspoon of DNA could hold all the precise assembly instructions for all of the proteins for every one, of the one thousand million species of animals that have ever existed on the planet, and still have information left over for all of the information in every book ever written. All held in just one teaspoon of DNA.
Why would something randomly create itself which is basically an extremly complicated information storer?
How could random forces produce something as complex as a single cell with its DNA, let alone a human?
More understanding of DNA, its formation, the way it mutates, how it can survive etc etc is needed to make any judgement on life elsewhere.
Even the very basic forms of life needs DNA, we cannot create life in the lab using just the mix of elements. However it can be done as soon as DNA from other oranisims is put into the mix.
So the question is where does DNA come from, how is it created?
We do not know how DNA molecules first appeared. The chances against a DNA molecule arising by random fluctuations are very small. Some people have therefore suggested that life came to Earth from elsewhere, and that there are seeds of life floating round in the galaxy. However, it seems unlikely that DNA could survive for long in the radiation in space. And even if it could, it would not really help explain the origin of life, because the time available since the formation of carbon is only just over double the age of the Earth.
Stephen Hawkings has an idea on it though:
"The early appearance of life on Earth suggests that there's a good chance of the spontaneous generation of life, in suitable conditions. Maybe there was some simpler form of organisation, which built up DNA. Once DNA appeared, it would have been so successful, that it might have completely replaced the earlier forms. We don't know what these earlier forms would have been. One possibility is RNA. This is like DNA, but rather simpler, and without the double helix structure. Short lengths of RNA, could reproduce themselves like DNA, and might eventually build up to DNA. One can not make nucleic acids in the laboratory, from non-living material, let alone RNA. But given 500 million years, and oceans covering most of the Earth, there might be a reasonable probability of RNA, being made by chance. "
If ifs and ans where pots and pans spring to mind. There is absolutely no science in his statement there.
We do know that DNA is extremley complicated,
Wikipedia says "the main role of DNA molecules is the long-term storage of information. DNA is often compared to a set of blueprints or a recipe, or a code, since it contains the instructions needed to construct other components of cells, such as proteins and RNA molecules". This comparison is very accurate, that is exactly what DNA is, information and information storage.
It is important to understand that, with more than one billion molecules and 1/3 (333+ million) of those being the programming molecules, there are more than 122.9637 x 10 to the 32nd power (sorry, I don't have super script on this software) possible different combinations in just one chromosome. That is 1,229,637 with 28 zeros behind it. Now multiply that times the 46 chromosomes you have in every cell in your body. It is easy to see how complex this can get.
Just one teaspoon of DNA could hold all the precise assembly instructions for all of the proteins for every one, of the one thousand million species of animals that have ever existed on the planet, and still have information left over for all of the information in every book ever written. All held in just one teaspoon of DNA.
Why would something randomly create itself which is basically an extremly complicated information storer?
How could random forces produce something as complex as a single cell with its DNA, let alone a human?
More understanding of DNA, its formation, the way it mutates, how it can survive etc etc is needed to make any judgement on life elsewhere.
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Why would something randomly create itself which is basically an extremly complicated information storer?
You should google the anthropic principle.
You should google the anthropic principle.
The anthropic principle explains nothing. How can a rational universe come from a irrational ,random event?the big bang.
^ It's called evolution. Science explains it pretty well. Not as well as the 'bearded bloke who has existed for all eternity and decided to have a play 6,000 years ago' theory, but pretty well nonetheless.
evolution doesnt explain dna, its complexities, where it comes from. they say it just appeaered. but we carn make it just appear.
also i dna needs protein, and protien needs dna, so did they both just matereliase at the same time? dont understand that one.
also i dna needs protein, and protien needs dna, so did they both just matereliase at the same time? dont understand that one.
evolution has nothing to do with the big bang.Your ignorance is astounding.
intelligent life you ask.
certainly the people at nasa and these astronaughts from sts 29 do.
quote.
ive always like this trans-mission from discovery when they thought they were on a secure downlink.
they were cut off pretty quick, but not before they rather let the cat out of the bag.
see the statement reveals 2 things, firstly that it was part of an ongong conversation from an earlier conversation and secondly they still thought they were still on the encryted downlink on sts 29.
houston this is discovery we still have the alien spacecraft under observance.
quite a bold statement.
which has kept ufologists in hay for some years.
me i just like it.
just google
certainly the people at nasa and these astronaughts from sts 29 do.
quote.
ive always like this trans-mission from discovery when they thought they were on a secure downlink.
they were cut off pretty quick, but not before they rather let the cat out of the bag.
see the statement reveals 2 things, firstly that it was part of an ongong conversation from an earlier conversation and secondly they still thought they were still on the encryted downlink on sts 29.
houston this is discovery we still have the alien spacecraft under observance.
quite a bold statement.
which has kept ufologists in hay for some years.
me i just like it.
just google
houston this is discovery we still have the alien spacecraft under observance.
theres just no room for mis-interpretation in that statement to his ground crew, and desk jockeys at mission control.
theres just no room for mis-interpretation in that statement to his ground crew, and desk jockeys at mission control.
Earth calling the ISLE OF MAN, where are you please????
If 'aliens' planted the seeds of life on this planet, can you please explain how was life created on their own planet? Same problems (the 'invention' on DNA), different universe.
Clearly I meant galaxy not universe 
bang goes the PHD.
bang goes the PHD.
houston this is discovery we still have the alien spacecraft under observance.
http://www.ufoseek.org/nasaufo.htm
http://www.ufoseek.org/nasaufo.htm
"Your ignorance is astounding."
Says someone who, in the face of every piece of scientific evidence, believes in an omnipresent being for whom the only 'evidence' is '...because of various writings/rock carvings/images found on a piece of toast'. Everyone of which being the work of just another man.
Religion is an abomination, a bunch of ridiculous idealisms and untruths spouted at the gullible populations since an evolved ape first learned how to wipe his own bum.
It has been used to justify the most appalling infliction of misery, and even to this day sperates nations and neighbours in bloody battle. There is not one single scrap of scientific evidence anywhere to support any belief in a higher being. All there is is thousands of years of suffering brought about because gullible idiot 'A' wanted to convert or punish gullible idiot 'B'.
So don't call me ignorant because I happen to disagree with you, especially as you are wrong. And yes, you are as wrong as the other 95% of the Earth's population. The same population that once believe the world was flat and balanced on the back of a few tortoises.
Says someone who, in the face of every piece of scientific evidence, believes in an omnipresent being for whom the only 'evidence' is '...because of various writings/rock carvings/images found on a piece of toast'. Everyone of which being the work of just another man.
Religion is an abomination, a bunch of ridiculous idealisms and untruths spouted at the gullible populations since an evolved ape first learned how to wipe his own bum.
It has been used to justify the most appalling infliction of misery, and even to this day sperates nations and neighbours in bloody battle. There is not one single scrap of scientific evidence anywhere to support any belief in a higher being. All there is is thousands of years of suffering brought about because gullible idiot 'A' wanted to convert or punish gullible idiot 'B'.
So don't call me ignorant because I happen to disagree with you, especially as you are wrong. And yes, you are as wrong as the other 95% of the Earth's population. The same population that once believe the world was flat and balanced on the back of a few tortoises.
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Replies: 32 08 Mar 11 20:49
Earth calling the ISLE OF MAN, where are you please????
you mean you think the astronaught was just joking or what.
NASA had already admitted the transmission was real.
The original recording was made in 1989 by Donald Ratsch, an American amateur radio operator and member of a radio club that monitored and recorded NASA transmissions as a hobby. Many people heard the recording
The person who is speaking is either Coats or Blaha but 17 years later there is no way to tell from the information at hand. The reversals show the man is controlling the shuttle's orientation at the time of the transmission. However, both men are qualified to pilot the shuttle. Coats was the pilot on Discovery's maiden flight in 1984. Perhaps someone can answer this question from material compiled at the time.
Both men continued with fine careers so the incident, perhaps coupled with their willingness to keep their mouths shut, was apparently beneficial. Michael Coats commanded another mission in 1991, then left the program to become a vice president at Loral Space Information Systems. In 1996 he moved to Lockheed Martin, also at the VP level, where he remained for nine years. Ten months ago (November 2005) he returned to NASA as the Director of the Johnson Space Center just south of Houston.
John Blaha, the pilot, was also the pilot on Discovery's next mission (STS-33) which put secret military hardware in orbit eight months later. In 1991 he was Commander for Atlantis mission STS-43, and then commanded Columbia's STS-58 mission in 1993. In September 1996 he rode Atlantis to the Mir space station where he served as crew for four months, returning on Columbia, capping off a truly remarkable career.
Other crew members, who of course would be completely familiar with the encounter and surely had their noses pressed against the windows, would be the mission specialists, James F. Buchli, Robert C. Springer and John P. Bagian.
i find it very interesting that every time someone catches a transmission that nasa had no intention of the general public hearing they initially go into denial, until they have no choice but to admit the truth.
do the recordings sound like a joke to you.
and dont forget it is a follow on conversation from an encryted feed, as it says
we STILL have the alien spacecraft under observance.
i find it hard to accept that there are little green men or bluemen or greymen etc flying around in our orbit.
however i have no problem with believing intelligent life exists elsewhere in the cosmos, i also have no problem in believing technology wise they are leaps and bounds ahead of us, and we have had no problems ssending probes into deep space.
Replies: 32 08 Mar 11 20:49
Earth calling the ISLE OF MAN, where are you please????
you mean you think the astronaught was just joking or what.
NASA had already admitted the transmission was real.
The original recording was made in 1989 by Donald Ratsch, an American amateur radio operator and member of a radio club that monitored and recorded NASA transmissions as a hobby. Many people heard the recording
The person who is speaking is either Coats or Blaha but 17 years later there is no way to tell from the information at hand. The reversals show the man is controlling the shuttle's orientation at the time of the transmission. However, both men are qualified to pilot the shuttle. Coats was the pilot on Discovery's maiden flight in 1984. Perhaps someone can answer this question from material compiled at the time.
Both men continued with fine careers so the incident, perhaps coupled with their willingness to keep their mouths shut, was apparently beneficial. Michael Coats commanded another mission in 1991, then left the program to become a vice president at Loral Space Information Systems. In 1996 he moved to Lockheed Martin, also at the VP level, where he remained for nine years. Ten months ago (November 2005) he returned to NASA as the Director of the Johnson Space Center just south of Houston.
John Blaha, the pilot, was also the pilot on Discovery's next mission (STS-33) which put secret military hardware in orbit eight months later. In 1991 he was Commander for Atlantis mission STS-43, and then commanded Columbia's STS-58 mission in 1993. In September 1996 he rode Atlantis to the Mir space station where he served as crew for four months, returning on Columbia, capping off a truly remarkable career.
Other crew members, who of course would be completely familiar with the encounter and surely had their noses pressed against the windows, would be the mission specialists, James F. Buchli, Robert C. Springer and John P. Bagian.
i find it very interesting that every time someone catches a transmission that nasa had no intention of the general public hearing they initially go into denial, until they have no choice but to admit the truth.
do the recordings sound like a joke to you.
and dont forget it is a follow on conversation from an encryted feed, as it says
we STILL have the alien spacecraft under observance.
i find it hard to accept that there are little green men or bluemen or greymen etc flying around in our orbit.
however i have no problem with believing intelligent life exists elsewhere in the cosmos, i also have no problem in believing technology wise they are leaps and bounds ahead of us, and we have had no problems ssending probes into deep space.
pretty interesting what other astronaughts have said after leaving the service.
i dunno what to make of it all really.
do nasa employ mainly fantasists or what.
http://www.syti.net/UFOSightings.html
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ASTRONAUT COMMENTS RE UFOS. I realize some have been cited who have later denied or recanted or some such. Personally, I believe they were most honest when saying something WAS going on. Nobody wants to lose a good pension.
Following is a samping from the link.
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Major Gordon Cooper
One of the original Mercury Astronauts and the last American to fly in space alone. On May 15, 1963 he shot into space in a Mercury capsule for a 22 orbit journey around the world. During the final orbit, Major Gordon Cooper told the tracking station at Muchea (near Perth Australia) that he could see a glowing, greenish object ahead of him quickly approaching his capsule. The UFO was real and solid, because it was picked up by Muchea's tracking radar. Cooper's sighting was reported by the National Broadcast Company, which was covering the flight step by step; but when Cooper landed, reporters were told that they would not be allowed to question him about the UFO sighting.
Major Cooper was a firm believer in UFOs. Ten years earlier, in 1951 he had sighted a UFO while piloting an F-86 Sabrejet over Western Germany. They were metallic, saucer-shaped discs at considerable altitude and could out-maneuver all American fighter planes. Major Cooper also testified before the United Nations: "I believe that these extra-terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets... Most astronauts were reluctant to discuss UFOs." "I did have occasion in 1951 to have two days of observation of many flights of them, of different sizes, flying in fighter formation, generally from east to west over Europe."
And according to a taped interview by J. L. Ferrando, Major Cooper said: "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public. Why? Because authority is afraid that people may think of God knows what kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means."
"I was furthermore a witness to an extraordinary phenomenon, here on this planet Earth. It happened a few months ago in Florida. There I saw with my own eyes a defined area of ground being consumed by flames, with four indentions left by a flying object which had descended in the middle of a field. Beings had left the craft (there were other traces to prove this). They seemed to have studied topography, they had collected soil samples and, eventually, they returned to where they had come from, disappearing at enormous speed... I happen to know that authority did just about everything to keep this incident from the press and TV, in fear of a panicky reaction from the public."
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Donald Slayton
Donald Slayton a Mercury astronaut revealed in an interview he had seen UFOs in 1951: "I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high." As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, grey and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me - and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."
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On May 11, 1962 NASA pilot Joseph Walker said that one of his tasks was to detect UFOs during his X-15 flights. He had filmed five or six UFOs during his record breaking fifty-mile-high flight in April, 1962. It was the second time he had filmed UFOs in flight. During a lecture at the Second National Conference on the Peaceful Uses of Space Research in Seattle, Washigton he said: "I don't feel like speculating about them. All I know is what appeared on the film which was developed after the flight." - Joseph Walker To date none of those films has been released to the public for viewing.
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Eugene Cernan was commander of Apollo 17. In a Los Angeles Times article in 1973 he said, about UFOs: "...I've been asked (about UFOs) and I've said publicly I thought they (UFOs) were somebody else, some other civilization."
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In June 1965, astronauts Ed White (first American to walk in space) and James McDivitt were passing over Hawaii in a Gemini spacecraft when they saw a weird-looking metallic object. The UFO had long arms sticking out of it. McDivitt took pictures with a cine-camera. Those pictures have never been released.
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In December 1965, Gemini astronauts James Lovell and Frank Borman also saw a UFO during their second orbit of their record-breaking 14 day flight. Borman reported that he saw an unidentified spacecraft some distance from their capsule. Gemini Control, at Cape Kennedy told him that he was seeing the final stage of their own Titan booster rocket. Borman confirmed that he could see the booster rocket all right, but that he could also see something completely different.
During James Lovell's flight on Gemini 7:
Lovell: BOGEY AT 10 O'CLOCK HIGH.
Capcom: This is Houston. Say again 7.
Lovell: SAID WE HAVE A BOGEY AT 10 O'CLOCK HIGH.
Capcom: Gemini 7, is that the booster or is that an actual sighting?
Lovell: WE HAVE SEVERAL...ACTUAL SIGHTING.
Capcom: ...Estimated distance or size?
Lovell: WE ALSO HAVE THE BOOSTER IN SIGHT...
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According to the NASA Astronaut Neil Armstrong the Aliens have a base on the Moon and told us in no uncertain terms to get off and stay off the Moon. According to un-confirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in or on a crater during the television transmission, followed by a request from mission control for further information. Nothing more was heard. According to a former NASA employee Otto Binder, unnamed radio hams with their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA's broadcasting outlets picked up the following exchange:
NASA: Whats there?
Mission Control calling Apollo 11...
Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous!
OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it!
I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there,
Lined up on the far side of the crater edge!
They're on the Moon watching us!
A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium.
Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?
Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known
there was a possibility, the fact is, we were
warned off! (by the Aliens). There was never any
question then of a space station or a moon city.
Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?
Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their
ships were far superior to ours both in size and
technology - Boy, were they big! and menacing!
No, there is no question of a space station.
Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?
Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and
couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a
quick scoop and back again.
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According to a Dr. Vladimir Azhazha: "Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the moon module. But this message was never heard by the public - because NASA censored it."
According to a Dr. Aleksandr Kasantsev, Buzz Aldrin took color movie film of the UFOs from inside the module, and continued filming them after he and Armstrong went outside. Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the cover-up.
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Maurice Chatelain
In 1979 Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater. Chatelain believes that some UFOs may come from our own solar system, specifically Titan. "The encounter was common knowledge in NASA, but nobody has talked about it until now." "...all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence." "I think that Walter Schirra aboard Mercury 8 was the first of the astronauts to use the code name 'Santa Claus' to indicate the presence of flying saucers next to space capsules. However, his announcements were barely noticed by the general public. It was a little different when James Lovell on board the Apollo 8 command module came out from behind the moon and said for everybody to hear: 'PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS.' Even though this happened on Christmas Day 1968, many people sensed a hidden meaning in those words." The rumors persist. NASA may well be a civilian agency, but many of its programs are funded by the defence budget and most of the astronauts are subject to military security regulations. Apart from the fact that the National Security Agency screens all films and probably radio communications as well. We have the statements by Otto Binder, Dr. Garry Henderson and Maurice Chatelain that the astronauts were under strict orders not to discuss their sightings. And Gordon Cooper has testified to a United Nations committee that one of the astronauts actually witnessed a UFO on the ground. If there is no secrecy, why has this sighting not been made public?
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i dunno what to make of it all really.
do nasa employ mainly fantasists or what.
http://www.syti.net/UFOSightings.html
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ASTRONAUT COMMENTS RE UFOS. I realize some have been cited who have later denied or recanted or some such. Personally, I believe they were most honest when saying something WAS going on. Nobody wants to lose a good pension.
Following is a samping from the link.
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Major Gordon Cooper
One of the original Mercury Astronauts and the last American to fly in space alone. On May 15, 1963 he shot into space in a Mercury capsule for a 22 orbit journey around the world. During the final orbit, Major Gordon Cooper told the tracking station at Muchea (near Perth Australia) that he could see a glowing, greenish object ahead of him quickly approaching his capsule. The UFO was real and solid, because it was picked up by Muchea's tracking radar. Cooper's sighting was reported by the National Broadcast Company, which was covering the flight step by step; but when Cooper landed, reporters were told that they would not be allowed to question him about the UFO sighting.
Major Cooper was a firm believer in UFOs. Ten years earlier, in 1951 he had sighted a UFO while piloting an F-86 Sabrejet over Western Germany. They were metallic, saucer-shaped discs at considerable altitude and could out-maneuver all American fighter planes. Major Cooper also testified before the United Nations: "I believe that these extra-terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets... Most astronauts were reluctant to discuss UFOs." "I did have occasion in 1951 to have two days of observation of many flights of them, of different sizes, flying in fighter formation, generally from east to west over Europe."
And according to a taped interview by J. L. Ferrando, Major Cooper said: "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public. Why? Because authority is afraid that people may think of God knows what kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means."
"I was furthermore a witness to an extraordinary phenomenon, here on this planet Earth. It happened a few months ago in Florida. There I saw with my own eyes a defined area of ground being consumed by flames, with four indentions left by a flying object which had descended in the middle of a field. Beings had left the craft (there were other traces to prove this). They seemed to have studied topography, they had collected soil samples and, eventually, they returned to where they had come from, disappearing at enormous speed... I happen to know that authority did just about everything to keep this incident from the press and TV, in fear of a panicky reaction from the public."
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Donald Slayton
Donald Slayton a Mercury astronaut revealed in an interview he had seen UFOs in 1951: "I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high." As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, grey and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me - and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."
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On May 11, 1962 NASA pilot Joseph Walker said that one of his tasks was to detect UFOs during his X-15 flights. He had filmed five or six UFOs during his record breaking fifty-mile-high flight in April, 1962. It was the second time he had filmed UFOs in flight. During a lecture at the Second National Conference on the Peaceful Uses of Space Research in Seattle, Washigton he said: "I don't feel like speculating about them. All I know is what appeared on the film which was developed after the flight." - Joseph Walker To date none of those films has been released to the public for viewing.
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Eugene Cernan was commander of Apollo 17. In a Los Angeles Times article in 1973 he said, about UFOs: "...I've been asked (about UFOs) and I've said publicly I thought they (UFOs) were somebody else, some other civilization."
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In June 1965, astronauts Ed White (first American to walk in space) and James McDivitt were passing over Hawaii in a Gemini spacecraft when they saw a weird-looking metallic object. The UFO had long arms sticking out of it. McDivitt took pictures with a cine-camera. Those pictures have never been released.
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In December 1965, Gemini astronauts James Lovell and Frank Borman also saw a UFO during their second orbit of their record-breaking 14 day flight. Borman reported that he saw an unidentified spacecraft some distance from their capsule. Gemini Control, at Cape Kennedy told him that he was seeing the final stage of their own Titan booster rocket. Borman confirmed that he could see the booster rocket all right, but that he could also see something completely different.
During James Lovell's flight on Gemini 7:
Lovell: BOGEY AT 10 O'CLOCK HIGH.
Capcom: This is Houston. Say again 7.
Lovell: SAID WE HAVE A BOGEY AT 10 O'CLOCK HIGH.
Capcom: Gemini 7, is that the booster or is that an actual sighting?
Lovell: WE HAVE SEVERAL...ACTUAL SIGHTING.
Capcom: ...Estimated distance or size?
Lovell: WE ALSO HAVE THE BOOSTER IN SIGHT...
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According to the NASA Astronaut Neil Armstrong the Aliens have a base on the Moon and told us in no uncertain terms to get off and stay off the Moon. According to un-confirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in or on a crater during the television transmission, followed by a request from mission control for further information. Nothing more was heard. According to a former NASA employee Otto Binder, unnamed radio hams with their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA's broadcasting outlets picked up the following exchange:
NASA: Whats there?
Mission Control calling Apollo 11...
Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous!
OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it!
I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there,
Lined up on the far side of the crater edge!
They're on the Moon watching us!
A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium.
Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?
Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known
there was a possibility, the fact is, we were
warned off! (by the Aliens). There was never any
question then of a space station or a moon city.
Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?
Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their
ships were far superior to ours both in size and
technology - Boy, were they big! and menacing!
No, there is no question of a space station.
Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?
Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and
couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a
quick scoop and back again.
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According to a Dr. Vladimir Azhazha: "Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the moon module. But this message was never heard by the public - because NASA censored it."
According to a Dr. Aleksandr Kasantsev, Buzz Aldrin took color movie film of the UFOs from inside the module, and continued filming them after he and Armstrong went outside. Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the cover-up.
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Maurice Chatelain
In 1979 Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater. Chatelain believes that some UFOs may come from our own solar system, specifically Titan. "The encounter was common knowledge in NASA, but nobody has talked about it until now." "...all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence." "I think that Walter Schirra aboard Mercury 8 was the first of the astronauts to use the code name 'Santa Claus' to indicate the presence of flying saucers next to space capsules. However, his announcements were barely noticed by the general public. It was a little different when James Lovell on board the Apollo 8 command module came out from behind the moon and said for everybody to hear: 'PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS.' Even though this happened on Christmas Day 1968, many people sensed a hidden meaning in those words." The rumors persist. NASA may well be a civilian agency, but many of its programs are funded by the defence budget and most of the astronauts are subject to military security regulations. Apart from the fact that the National Security Agency screens all films and probably radio communications as well. We have the statements by Otto Binder, Dr. Garry Henderson and Maurice Chatelain that the astronauts were under strict orders not to discuss their sightings. And Gordon Cooper has testified to a United Nations committee that one of the astronauts actually witnessed a UFO on the ground. If there is no secrecy, why has this sighting not been made public?
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I will answer your question maleuk01.
Virus which was the first to be created originated from the energy of rocks. Where that energy came from is a mystery, but energy is the answer.
Virus which was the first to be created originated from the energy of rocks. Where that energy came from is a mystery, but energy is the answer.
I want to know where the first 'thing' came from. Doesn't matter if this was energy or atoms or magnetism or whatever, just...where did the first THING come from?
the first and last thig arrived at the same time, where from, who knows, just one big fooking whoosh and there it all was appaarently. hth.
i dont know why they call it the big bang, cos no fuuker heard it.
Beethoven heard it, that;s what made him deaf.
Says someone who, in the face of every piece of scientific evidence, believes in an omnipresent being for whom the only 'evidence' is
There is no scientific evidence that God does not exist, if there is then please present it now.
'...because of various writings/rock carvings/images found on a piece of toast'. Everyone of which being the work of just another man.
No there is plenty of evidence,I have presented in many times on this forum, you have chosen to ignore it,dismiss it and deny it.
Religion is an abomination, a bunch of ridiculous idealisms and untruths spouted at the gullible populations since an evolved ape first learned how to wipe his own bum.
another imbecilic assertion for which you have no evidence.
It has been used to justify the most appalling infliction of misery, and even to this day sperates nations and neighbours in bloody battle.
So has science.Your problem is you lump all religions together and ignore all the good that Christians do in the world.
There is not one single scrap of scientific evidence anywhere to support any belief in a higher being.
So you only believe in what can be proven scientifically? You don't believe in much then.
All there is is thousands of years of suffering brought about because gullible idiot 'A' wanted to convert or punish gullible idiot 'B'.
This is not what Jesus taught.if people have perverted his message then that just shows how evil people are. This is what the bible teaches.This again proves the Bible correct
So don't call me ignorant because I happen to disagree with you,
I called you ignorant because you think evolution has some thing to do with the Big bang, not because you disagree with me. Lots of people disagree with me on here, I don't call them ignorant.
especially as you are wrong.
Thank you.Thats relative though.
And yes, you are as wrong as the other 95% of the Earth's population. The same population that once believe the world was flat and balanced on the back of a few tortoises.
Sigh,again you show your ignorance.
The myth of the Flat Earth is the modern misconception that the prevailing cosmological view during the Middle Ages saw the Earth as flat, instead of spherical.[1]
This idea seems to have been widespread during the first half of the 20th century, so that the Members of the Historical Association in 1945 stated that:
"The idea that educated men at the time of Columbus believed that the earth was flat, and that this belief was one of the obstacles to be overcome by Columbus before he could get his project sanctioned, remains one of the hardiest errors in teaching." [2]
During the early Middle Ages, virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint first expressed by the Ancient Greeks. By the 14th century, belief in a flat earth among the educated was essentially dead. Flat-Earth models were in fact held at earlier (pre-Medieval) times, before the spherical model became commonly accepted in Hellenistic astronomy.[3]
However, among Medieval artists, depictions of a flat earth remained common.[citation needed] The exterior of the famous triptych The Garden of Earthly Delights by Hieronymus Bosch is a Renaissance example in which a disc-shaped earth is shown floating inside a transparent sphere.[4]
According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat earth darkness' among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology."[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth
There is no scientific evidence that God does not exist, if there is then please present it now.
'...because of various writings/rock carvings/images found on a piece of toast'. Everyone of which being the work of just another man.
No there is plenty of evidence,I have presented in many times on this forum, you have chosen to ignore it,dismiss it and deny it.
Religion is an abomination, a bunch of ridiculous idealisms and untruths spouted at the gullible populations since an evolved ape first learned how to wipe his own bum.
another imbecilic assertion for which you have no evidence.
It has been used to justify the most appalling infliction of misery, and even to this day sperates nations and neighbours in bloody battle.
So has science.Your problem is you lump all religions together and ignore all the good that Christians do in the world.
There is not one single scrap of scientific evidence anywhere to support any belief in a higher being.
So you only believe in what can be proven scientifically? You don't believe in much then.
All there is is thousands of years of suffering brought about because gullible idiot 'A' wanted to convert or punish gullible idiot 'B'.
This is not what Jesus taught.if people have perverted his message then that just shows how evil people are. This is what the bible teaches.This again proves the Bible correct
So don't call me ignorant because I happen to disagree with you,
I called you ignorant because you think evolution has some thing to do with the Big bang, not because you disagree with me. Lots of people disagree with me on here, I don't call them ignorant.
especially as you are wrong.
Thank you.Thats relative though.
And yes, you are as wrong as the other 95% of the Earth's population. The same population that once believe the world was flat and balanced on the back of a few tortoises.
Sigh,again you show your ignorance.
The myth of the Flat Earth is the modern misconception that the prevailing cosmological view during the Middle Ages saw the Earth as flat, instead of spherical.[1]
This idea seems to have been widespread during the first half of the 20th century, so that the Members of the Historical Association in 1945 stated that:
"The idea that educated men at the time of Columbus believed that the earth was flat, and that this belief was one of the obstacles to be overcome by Columbus before he could get his project sanctioned, remains one of the hardiest errors in teaching." [2]
During the early Middle Ages, virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint first expressed by the Ancient Greeks. By the 14th century, belief in a flat earth among the educated was essentially dead. Flat-Earth models were in fact held at earlier (pre-Medieval) times, before the spherical model became commonly accepted in Hellenistic astronomy.[3]
However, among Medieval artists, depictions of a flat earth remained common.[citation needed] The exterior of the famous triptych The Garden of Earthly Delights by Hieronymus Bosch is a Renaissance example in which a disc-shaped earth is shown floating inside a transparent sphere.[4]
According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat earth darkness' among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology."[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth
I will answer your question maleuk01.
Virus which was the first to be created originated from the energy of rocks. Where that energy came from is a mystery, but energy is the answer
Do you have any evidence for this?
Virus which was the first to be created originated from the energy of rocks. Where that energy came from is a mystery, but energy is the answer
Do you have any evidence for this?
I want to know where the first 'thing' came from. Doesn't matter if this was energy or atoms or magnetism or whatever, just...where did the first THING come from
this is the problem with infinite regression. this is one of the reasons I believe in God.it's the only logical answer to believe in a God that had no creator ,that has always existed. a all powerful being, that existed before time.
this is the problem with infinite regression. this is one of the reasons I believe in God.it's the only logical answer to believe in a God that had no creator ,that has always existed. a all powerful being, that existed before time.
But that isn't logical at all because it means that something had to create him, thus the cycle continues.
But that isn't logical at all because it means that something had to create him, thus the cycle continues.
Nothing has to create God because he is a self sustaining all powerful being who existed before time.anything outside of time and space does not need a cause.if God needed a cause then he wouldn't be all powerful there fore he wouldn't be God.not an all powerful God anyway.
Nothing has to create God because he is a self sustaining all powerful being who existed before time.anything outside of time and space does not need a cause.if God needed a cause then he wouldn't be all powerful there fore he wouldn't be God.not an all powerful God anyway.
Facny popping on the University thread Cristo and having a bash at defending your latest indefensible utterance?
Sunset Cristo 09 Mar 11 00:37
Says someone who, in the face of every piece of scientific evidence, believes in an omnipresent being for whom the only 'evidence' is
There is no scientific evidence that God does not exist, if there is then please present it now.
Yeah, lets prove a negative, noble prize for anyone, there
Says someone who, in the face of every piece of scientific evidence, believes in an omnipresent being for whom the only 'evidence' is
There is no scientific evidence that God does not exist, if there is then please present it now.
Yeah, lets prove a negative, noble prize for anyone, there
Not convinced there`s that much intelligent life on Earth.......
the universe is vast (to say the least) and very complex. so too think we are just organisms that are capable of observing the universe is just something that was bound too happen, given the massive odds that are available in the universe. such an amazing place the universe
i doubt very much that if heaven exists, it is within the universe, so i have me doubts.
Flatliner, Cristo knows only too well that you can't prove a negative. He's written those words on here many times himself.
He also knows very well that the burden of proof for his god theory lies with those that believe it to be true. He says he's provided evidence. This isn't true. All he's ever written is reasons why HE believes it to be true. There isn't any evidence, and he knows that. And yet he still trolls out the same garbage time after time in his inimitably arrogant fashion, attempting (and failing) to belittle anyone who dares to disagree with him.
He's just a wind-up merchant. A god troll. It's how he gets hid kicks.
He also knows very well that the burden of proof for his god theory lies with those that believe it to be true. He says he's provided evidence. This isn't true. All he's ever written is reasons why HE believes it to be true. There isn't any evidence, and he knows that. And yet he still trolls out the same garbage time after time in his inimitably arrogant fashion, attempting (and failing) to belittle anyone who dares to disagree with him.
He's just a wind-up merchant. A god troll. It's how he gets hid kicks.
Just a small snippet of proof to back up what I just wrote:
Sunset Cristo 30 Apr 10 01:53
I don't know that anyone can prove God.
. . . and yet he continually writes that he's provided proof!
Sunset Cristo 30 Apr 10 01:53
You can't prove God doesn't exist because you can't prove a negative.
And yet he continually asks people to do just that!
He needs counselling.
Sunset Cristo 30 Apr 10 01:53
I don't know that anyone can prove God.
. . . and yet he continually writes that he's provided proof!
Sunset Cristo 30 Apr 10 01:53
You can't prove God doesn't exist because you can't prove a negative.
And yet he continually asks people to do just that!
He needs counselling.
I think it was Einstein who was asked if he would be amazed if we were to discover intelligent life elsewhere, his reply was that he would be more amazed if we didn't. Good enough for me.
100 billion Suns in 100 billion galaxies, I think it's statistically very likely there is another planet out there with intelligent life forms on it and even more likely that primitive life is abundant in the Universe.
I would also reckon it is 50/50 that there is microbial life elsewhere in our own Solar System, signs are looking good for Moons of Jupiter, Saturn and even Mars. Of course the bashers will squirm but they would move the goalposts again to feed their delusions.
I would also reckon it is 50/50 that there is microbial life elsewhere in our own Solar System, signs are looking good for Moons of Jupiter, Saturn and even Mars. Of course the bashers will squirm but they would move the goalposts again to feed their delusions.
Very conservative figures there Oval. But I agree. It's mathematically inconceivable that there isn't life elsewhere in the universe.
Is this a God conspiracy thread.
DNA exists because it exists, just like a piece of rock, just like all the stars in all the galaxies, it's only a mixture of four different bases that can be easily formed by passing an electrical current in a chemical "soup". It's not alchemy, and its not a deity, it's just pure fluke that these particular four bases form lovely ester hydrogen bonds.
As for where everything came from, I'm a chemist not a physicst but I do know there was a point singularity that had virtually infinite density and energy, with special relativity involved. You might want to read up on it, I don't life is too short.
Science >>>>>>> God
DNA exists because it exists, just like a piece of rock, just like all the stars in all the galaxies, it's only a mixture of four different bases that can be easily formed by passing an electrical current in a chemical "soup". It's not alchemy, and its not a deity, it's just pure fluke that these particular four bases form lovely ester hydrogen bonds.
As for where everything came from, I'm a chemist not a physicst but I do know there was a point singularity that had virtually infinite density and energy, with special relativity involved. You might want to read up on it, I don't life is too short.
Science >>>>>>> God
but I do know there was a point singularity that had virtually infinite density and energy, with special relativity involved.
oh well that explains it merlin.
ffs.
oh well that explains it merlin.
ffs.
it's only a mixture of four different bases that can be easily formed by passing an electrical current in a chemical "soup". It's not alchemy
by the way merlin if its that simple then it will exist all thru the cosmos.
and if its that simple how come they cannot create it in a lab.
by the way merlin if its that simple then it will exist all thru the cosmos.
and if its that simple how come they cannot create it in a lab.
Erm Manxy, You can create the DNA bases in a lab, and combine them quite easily.
DNA is not even remotely difficult to produce, to get it in the correct order is the hard part. That is what billions of years of evolution has done for us.
Nature is a wonderful thing, we can create industrial diamonds, but they are never as beautiful as the naturally created ones. (I'm sure God made them also [smiley:crazy])
DNA is not even remotely difficult to produce, to get it in the correct order is the hard part. That is what billions of years of evolution has done for us.
Nature is a wonderful thing, we can create industrial diamonds, but they are never as beautiful as the naturally created ones. (I'm sure God made them also [smiley:crazy])
It must be streaming with life out there, that is my guess. Unless we are special in the eyes of God. Some believe that what we perceive is just an illusion created by our minds through our consciousnssness. For example the colour red does not exist. It is just the way we perceive it due to to the energy given out by the vibrations format. So maybe we have created each other and everything thing else only through perception of concousness through energy vibrations. After death i hope this becomes clear. hth
It’s possible that we are on our own, if the Many-Worlds quantum-mechanical description of the universe is correct. All possible outcomes must co-exist; including at least one in which by chance other intelligent life failed to evolve. If that’s the case, then it is as likely to be this universe as any of the alternatives that has just us in it.
I don't hold with this many worlds idea. I think the universe behaves more like a flowing river, taking the path of least resistance.
I think that we could be alone in the universe, or there could be many planets or places that hold intelligent life. It all depends on the probability that a particular point in space contains (intelligent) life.
I would define intelligence as an organism capable of thought processes outside of it's needs for survival.
I think that we could be alone in the universe, or there could be many planets or places that hold intelligent life. It all depends on the probability that a particular point in space contains (intelligent) life.
I would define intelligence as an organism capable of thought processes outside of it's needs for survival.
out of nothing came everything. what does this science thing say about that?
I didn't come from nothing, it came from a virtually infinite mass of everything, according to some theorists it may well contract back to that singularity.
we came from a virtual infinite mass of everything 
nice one
nice one
At least science is pursuing an understanding and explanation - religion is stuck with 2000 year-old texts goes nowhere and never will develop further other than try and make known science 'fit'into it's earlier thoughts.
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I didn't come from nothing, it came from a virtually infinite mass of everything, according to some theorists it may well contract back to that singularity.
boll0cks to this merlin, i am off back to the ketchup on fish and chips thread.
Replies: 743 09 Mar 11 14:55
I didn't come from nothing, it came from a virtually infinite mass of everything, according to some theorists it may well contract back to that singularity.
boll0cks to this merlin, i am off back to the ketchup on fish and chips thread.
Yep, you squash everything in the universe into a tiny point and that is it as amazing as that might seem.
Think of it like this, 10g of high explosive will blow your house up, the explosive is far smaller than your house. It posesses a lot of energy.
Now imagine something that has virtually infinite energy, when that explodes you get everything, I don't understand the first few milliseconds with quarks and what not, I only understand it when we get to electrons, protons and neutrons. Nature is pretty clever, think of them as lego bricks.
Think of it like this, 10g of high explosive will blow your house up, the explosive is far smaller than your house. It posesses a lot of energy.
Now imagine something that has virtually infinite energy, when that explodes you get everything, I don't understand the first few milliseconds with quarks and what not, I only understand it when we get to electrons, protons and neutrons. Nature is pretty clever, think of them as lego bricks.
There is no scientific evidence that God does not exist, if there is then please present it now.
Yeah, lets prove a negative, noble prize for anyone, there
Exactly you can't prove a negative. it has to be taken on faith. I don't have enough faith to be a atheist.
Yeah, lets prove a negative, noble prize for anyone, there
Exactly you can't prove a negative. it has to be taken on faith. I don't have enough faith to be a atheist.
Not convinced there`s that much intelligent life on Earth
Thats right judging by some of the posts on this thread.
Thats right judging by some of the posts on this thread.
100 billion Suns in 100 billion galaxies, I think it's statistically very likely there is another planet out there with intelligent life forms on it and even more likely that primitive life is abundant in the Universe.
I would also reckon it is 50/50 that there is microbial life elsewhere in our own Solar System, signs are looking good for Moons of Jupiter, Saturn and even Mars. Of course the bashers will squirm but they would move the goalposts again to feed their delusions
Why would they? I don't have a problem with life being found some where else in the universe. The Bible doesn't say there isn't.This is yet another strawman.
I would also reckon it is 50/50 that there is microbial life elsewhere in our own Solar System, signs are looking good for Moons of Jupiter, Saturn and even Mars. Of course the bashers will squirm but they would move the goalposts again to feed their delusions
Why would they? I don't have a problem with life being found some where else in the universe. The Bible doesn't say there isn't.This is yet another strawman.
Is this a God conspiracy thread.
DNA exists because it exists, just like a piece of rock, just like all the stars in all the galaxies, it's only a mixture of four different bases that can be easily formed by passing an electrical current in a chemical "soup".
So why haven't they made it then if its easy?
It's not alchemy, and its not a deity, it's just pure fluke that these particular four bases form lovely ester hydrogen bonds.
So you say.Prove it? You seem to believe in the goddess of Chance.
As for where everything came from, I'm a chemist not a physicst but I do know there was a point singularity that had virtually infinite density and energy, with special relativity involved. You might want to read up on it, I don't life is too short.
Science >>>>>>> God
DNA exists because it exists, just like a piece of rock, just like all the stars in all the galaxies, it's only a mixture of four different bases that can be easily formed by passing an electrical current in a chemical "soup".
So why haven't they made it then if its easy?
It's not alchemy, and its not a deity, it's just pure fluke that these particular four bases form lovely ester hydrogen bonds.
So you say.Prove it? You seem to believe in the goddess of Chance.
As for where everything came from, I'm a chemist not a physicst but I do know there was a point singularity that had virtually infinite density and energy, with special relativity involved. You might want to read up on it, I don't life is too short.
Science >>>>>>> God
Erm Manxy, You can create the DNA bases in a lab, and combine them quite easily.
DNA is not even remotely difficult to produce, to get it in the correct order is the hard part. That is what billions of years of evolution has done for us.
How life first came about is called Abiogenesis, not evolution.
Nature is a wonderful thing, we can create industrial diamonds, but they are never as beautiful as the naturally created ones. (I'm sure God made them also
nature made diamonds, some people might call nature God.God actually created nature, so in away he did create diamonds.
DNA is not even remotely difficult to produce, to get it in the correct order is the hard part. That is what billions of years of evolution has done for us.
How life first came about is called Abiogenesis, not evolution.
Nature is a wonderful thing, we can create industrial diamonds, but they are never as beautiful as the naturally created ones. (I'm sure God made them also
nature made diamonds, some people might call nature God.God actually created nature, so in away he did create diamonds.
It’s possible that we are on our own, if the Many-Worlds quantum-mechanical description of the universe is correct. All possible outcomes must co-exist;
if there are infinite multiple universes then anything that can happen will happen ,so one of these multiple universes will have God in it.Again proving the atheists wrong.
including at least one in which by chance other intelligent life failed to evolve. If that’s the case, then it is as likely to be this universe as any of the alternatives that has just us in it
if there are infinite multiple universes then anything that can happen will happen ,so one of these multiple universes will have God in it.Again proving the atheists wrong.
including at least one in which by chance other intelligent life failed to evolve. If that’s the case, then it is as likely to be this universe as any of the alternatives that has just us in it
DNA exists because it exists, just like a piece of rock, just like all the stars in all the galaxies, it's only a mixture of four different bases that can be easily formed by passing an electrical current in a chemical "soup". It's not alchemy, and its not a deity, it's just pure fluke that these particular four bases form lovely ester hydrogen bonds.
This just isnt true at all.
As pointed out, we cannot create the very simplist form of life in any lab with any electrical current, we cannot even create the very simplist dna in any lab. As i pointed out scientists have no explanation. And as for electrical energy from rocks, well never heard that 1.
Another major problem is that there seems to be just 1 basic strand of DNA in which all life have and obv more complex life then form more complex DNA. If DNA randomly came into being then there should be more than 1 basic strand of DNA. This is another problem to overcome.
DNA has been described as a manual a set of instructions on how life forms and develops, how can a so called random event have a programming set of instructions, which is another major issue that needs addressing.
This just isnt true at all.
As pointed out, we cannot create the very simplist form of life in any lab with any electrical current, we cannot even create the very simplist dna in any lab. As i pointed out scientists have no explanation. And as for electrical energy from rocks, well never heard that 1.
Another major problem is that there seems to be just 1 basic strand of DNA in which all life have and obv more complex life then form more complex DNA. If DNA randomly came into being then there should be more than 1 basic strand of DNA. This is another problem to overcome.
DNA has been described as a manual a set of instructions on how life forms and develops, how can a so called random event have a programming set of instructions, which is another major issue that needs addressing.
I wonder how many intelligent races have come and gone? We could be the last one, the universal order may have given up on intelligence as a 'bad idea' and we may vanish not ever knowing we were the last throw of the dice for self conciousness.
alpha we could also be the first, another possibility. the universe is only 13.7 billion years old, in the life of the universe that is very very young. Maybe in 5 billion years the human race could have populated any habital planets in the milky way and the next question could be how to get to other galaxaies.
I didn't come from nothing, it came from a virtually infinite mass of everything, according to some theorists it may well contract back to that singularity
This begs the question though where did this virtually infinite mass of everything come from?science says that time had a beginning, so it can't have always existed.As for it contracting back to that singularity,
this goes against the scientific evidence .the universe is speeding up, which is the opposite of the big crunch.
This begs the question though where did this virtually infinite mass of everything come from?science says that time had a beginning, so it can't have always existed.As for it contracting back to that singularity,
this goes against the scientific evidence .the universe is speeding up, which is the opposite of the big crunch.
At least science is pursuing an understanding and explanation - religion is stuck with 2000 year-old texts goes nowhere and never will develop further other than try and make known science 'fit'into it's earlier thoughts
You have no evidence for this.
this is an atheist myth. it might come as shock to you that some scientists are Christians and that modern science started in Christian Europe, not in a Islamic a country or in China.
You have no evidence for this.
this is an atheist myth. it might come as shock to you that some scientists are Christians and that modern science started in Christian Europe, not in a Islamic a country or in China.
DNA exists because it exists, just like a piece of rock, just like all the stars in all the galaxies, it's only a mixture of four different bases that can be easily formed by passing an electrical current in a chemical "soup". It's not alchemy, and its not a deity, it's just pure fluke that these particular four bases form lovely ester hydrogen bonds.
This just isnt true at all.
As pointed out, we cannot create the very simplist form of life in any lab with any electrical current, we cannot even create the very simplist dna in any lab. As i pointed out scientists have no explanation. And as for electrical energy from rocks, well never heard that 1.
Another major problem is that there seems to be just 1 basic strand of DNA in which all life have and obv more complex life then form more complex DNA. If DNA randomly came into being then there should be more than 1 basic strand of DNA. This is another problem to overcome.
DNA has been described as a manual a set of instructions on how life forms and develops, how can a so called random event have a programming set of instructions, which is another major issue that needs addressing.
This is one of the reasons that Anthony Flow a famous atheist recently changed his mind and is now a deist.The evidence of DNA changed his mind.There are a few honest atheist that will follow the evidence where ever it goes.
This just isnt true at all.
As pointed out, we cannot create the very simplist form of life in any lab with any electrical current, we cannot even create the very simplist dna in any lab. As i pointed out scientists have no explanation. And as for electrical energy from rocks, well never heard that 1.
Another major problem is that there seems to be just 1 basic strand of DNA in which all life have and obv more complex life then form more complex DNA. If DNA randomly came into being then there should be more than 1 basic strand of DNA. This is another problem to overcome.
DNA has been described as a manual a set of instructions on how life forms and develops, how can a so called random event have a programming set of instructions, which is another major issue that needs addressing.
This is one of the reasons that Anthony Flow a famous atheist recently changed his mind and is now a deist.The evidence of DNA changed his mind.There are a few honest atheist that will follow the evidence where ever it goes.
O.P. - I am a total athiest, nor do I believe in u.f.o.'s, ghosts, life after death, fairies etc., or anything that seems unreal to me. However - I do believe that because there is life on 'our' earth there is a very strong possibility that life exists somewhere else in our very, very vast universe. It's pretty obvious to me though, that it's so very, very far away - we will never, ever know about it - and so for me it's not even worth thinking about.
if peddlers cross wins the ch, i will offer up a prayer of thanks to whoever may or may not be in charge of the primordial? soup.
want me to find you some UV photos of critters in our atmosphere angel.
they are big buggers.
and invisible to the naked eye.
they are big buggers.
and invisible to the naked eye.
If the aliens ever wanted to put in an appearance, now wouldn't be a bad time.
We sent a probe to mars. Bacteria on probe probably. They are very versatile. I am tempted to place bet with bookies. Then argue the case.
RNA disassembled quickly . Dna is reliant on five attributes being present at same time. Extremely unlikely. Designed. Micro machiNES build DNA. Biological subset. Repairs DNA. Information storage. Requires a sender and receiver. Watched many youtube vids on this. The bring up Urey expt from fifties? Seventy yrs ago. Amino acIDs manufactured in flasks with gases never present on earth. Electricity generating acids. But electricity also destroys in long run. If it was correct. More scientists would have built on it. It's bad sscience. Many PhD scientists now think evolution is bunk. We adapt. Dogs change into poodles. Men are tiny and huge. But we don't grow wings. Many species appear abruptly in the fossil record. No intermediate stages? Bats are very complicated. Sonar. Bone chambers in head precise. Hollow structures. Membranes. Blood and heart rate sky high. Totally complex. Just appears. Many animals same thing. Overy eight million types or species at low end possibly a billion , only 1.7 million described. University of Hawaii. We can fossilized an object in a few yrs. Tools and even jeans left by miners have been fossilized. Carbon dating is recent. A seventies procedures. When dating a sample you fill in a form. They ask you how old do you think your sample is? Loaded question? You tell me. Point of carbon dating. Helium lasts a short time? Why is helium on earth. Salinity of oceans. Moon proximity. Hundreds of indications of earth being younger. What scientist is right? What flavour of ice cream do you prefer? They discover reality . The dnot make it. Einstein over turned them all. It repeats. What we believed is overturned eventually. Therefore science is a place holder for the truth. Rolf Harris used to draw on screen. Can you tell what it is yet?? This is science . Filling in blank spaces . They know s little about a little.
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