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By:
Aceme
When: 06 Jan 11 15:12
Yes she wanted to see if her socks were waterproof!
By:
kkkatt
When: 06 Jan 11 15:14
also if the LL did it,why would he need to move the body?would it not have been easier for him to just fake a break-in?
By:
wur
When: 06 Jan 11 15:24
As far as I know, the police haven't said one way or the other about autopsy results revealing whether or not she ate it. If she did eat it but was kept alive for a few days, there would be nothing in her gut.
By:
Nirvana
When: 06 Jan 11 15:25
Police not sure whether she ate the pizza or not.

Latest news is that a ligature (the missing sock?) was used to strangle her. This strongly suggests it was an attack from behind.

Police also searching a nearby rifle range. Was the body stored there before being moved to Longwood Lane?
By:
epicurean
When: 06 Jan 11 15:31
Nirvana ,why move body from one place to another?
By:
kkkatt
When: 06 Jan 11 15:35
a break-in would point the finger away from the LL if he was a keyholder.
also, if the b/f did it on friday,would he necessarily have to move the body if he was in sheffield for the weekend? if he did it on sunday night,he had to hide the body,he had no alibi and he would obstruct establishment of time of death.which suspect would more likely be able to lift the body over the wall.the fact that the body was on the verge and not behind the wall goes some way towards ruling out two killers.
By:
cjhornet
When: 06 Jan 11 15:37
The rifle range is Clifton College's, I believe. Therefore it would have probably have been unused during the christmas period.
By:
Nirvana
When: 06 Jan 11 15:37
Possibly the killer was on foot and was able to carry the body to the rifle range, which is next door to the house, before moving it later by car.
By:
wur
When: 06 Jan 11 15:42
Odd about the rifle range as there's council documents on the internet which I read listing Christopher Jefferies as objecting to the planning permission to build the rifle range.

Another strange, unrelated fact.
By:
pumphol.
When: 06 Jan 11 15:42
They may catch the killer & still people will say they got it wrong it was the B/F !!!!
By:
wur
When: 06 Jan 11 15:47
Many years ago, there was a serial killer in France the press labelled the 'Beast of Bordeaux'.

A suspect was arrested and chrged. At his trial, he was found not guilty. The headlines next day were 'Beast of Bordeaux Freed'
By:
epicurean
When: 06 Jan 11 15:59
Nirvana ,in that scenario killer could have thought of a place where the body would never be found i.e. the quarry but failed in that quest perhaps disturbed. Seems very risky but we are not dealing with a normal rational person .So possible . Would be interesting to know proximity of rifle range . Does it back on to landlords premises for instance.
By:
brendanuk1
When: 06 Jan 11 16:01
http://www.cliftoncollegeuk.com/upper/sports/shooting/

Important Coaches:

Mr Simon Heard
[i]Mr Peter Stanley

Murray Lidgitt[/i]
By:
A_T
When: 06 Jan 11 16:04
Murray Lidgitt

Why not Mr Murray Lidgitt? Very rude IMO. Guess the other two are amateurs.
By:
naydam
When: 06 Jan 11 16:04
Wur. So was it a large pizza, or are you just saying that bit about the bin? Can any body help? I have seen a picture on a cctv but I can't find them now on BBC website. Might not have been a pizza, anyway.
By:
Nirvana
When: 06 Jan 11 16:13
Yes, epicurean. If the college backs onto the house, then it could be a short-term hiding place for a body.

Do all the housemates have a car? Even if they do, it would have been less risky to take the body out the back window and (if possible) to the rifle range, rather than carry it out frontways to their car.

This obviously requires detailed local knowledege, and the fact the killer moved the body strongly suggests it was one of her housemates. Nobody else would need to do so.
By:
STEPTOES YARD
When: 06 Jan 11 16:16
The old forum would have had this case to court by now
By:
Eggs
When: 06 Jan 11 16:19
Brendanuk

You wrote these three names
Mr Simon Heard
Mr Peter Stanley
Murray Lidgitt

as important coaches for the shooting club

Is this the same Peter Stanley that helped start the BF's car?
By:
maveric
When: 06 Jan 11 16:23
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/EqOFurheX4w/Key+Scenes+Jo+Yeates+Murder+Case/1GEYxSMf8V2/Peter+Stanley
By:
Aceme
When: 06 Jan 11 16:24
It was a Tesco finest Margarita pizza, fair size but just fold the box and it will drop in any house bin. She hardly went outside to dispose of it in her socks did she.
By:
Nirvana
When: 06 Jan 11 16:29
Is this the same Peter Stanley that helped start the BF's car?
---------------

Yes, the very same.  I wonder how much the bf told him about Jo's plans for that weekend?
By:
1st time poster
When: 06 Jan 11 16:35
think this revolves around 3 people LL,BF, NEIGHBOUR,when boyfriend contacts police sun or mon, probably the 2nd question to him is either have you an alibi,and or did anyonelse no you were away
answer to either question is yes the LL, AND NEIGHBOUR,if so why didnt police check forensics connected to the jumpstarting of car till roughly a week later,if boyfriend had told police on the sun,mon why was such a fuss made of neighbour coming forward after LL arrest
By:
naydam
When: 06 Jan 11 16:39
Aceme. I don't eat pizzas so please bear with me. Would it have been for one person, or two? In your opinion, bearing in mind that she is female and would probably consume less than a male. I'm just wondering if it could have been opened and consumed in another flat.
By:
Aceme
When: 06 Jan 11 16:42
I doubt a female would eat all that pizza in one hit, that's why my original assumption a few weeks ago was that she was buying for two, obviously things have changed since then.
By:
PatPongSexWhale
When: 06 Jan 11 16:46
Naydam,

If I buy a pizza for one person or two people I dont change the pizza I buy, most pizzas come in a fairly standard size that are too big for an average female but about right for two people.

So, if she was buying just for herself it wouldn't make a difference. IMO.
By:
maveric
When: 06 Jan 11 16:47
From another forum..

If you look at the college website, the rifle range is at Beggar Bush:
http://www.cliftoncollegeuk.com/uppe.../shootingclub/

The college sports ground at Beggar Bush is near(ish) where she was found:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&...ed=0CBkQ8gEwAA
By:
AgentR
When: 06 Jan 11 16:49
Was it a (proffessor) plum and (colonel) mustard pizza?
By:
maveric
When: 06 Jan 11 16:49
from another forum..

''The range buildings are described as disused and are on the playing field to the left of that house as you look at it. If you trawl the net you can find the planning application notes that were appealed against by someone at 44 Canynge Road. It was proposed that the disused buildings be pulled down and flats built, which then became an application for matching villa style blocks. Looks like it never happened though - suggests a certain somebody was successful in a dog fight!''
By:
Aceme
When: 06 Jan 11 16:49
Very good point Pat Pong
By:
1st time poster
When: 06 Jan 11 16:51
what a load of rollocks,when was the last time you saw a pizza cut in half in pizza hut,iti restraunt etc, you might give someone else a piece etc,but dont get 1 between 2
By:
Aceme
When: 06 Jan 11 17:00
I think you mis understand 1st timer. Pat Pong is saying if you buy a pizza from supermarket whether you are alone or with someone the pizza that you buy will generally be approx the same size unless your a greedy fikker and buy two.
By:
epicurean
When: 06 Jan 11 17:15
Thanks maverick. Wonder if there is access from landlords premises .
By:
naydam
When: 06 Jan 11 17:17
I do know that they come in different sizes. I'm guessing that one would buy a size that was suitable for purpose. I've seen sizes of 6 inch, 9 inch and 12 inch (I think) but using a bit of pi(e!) X radius squared soon shows that they basically double in size and then double again! So my understanding would be that a female shopper would be quite selective. They think differently.
By:
Aceme
When: 06 Jan 11 17:22
kkkatt 06 Jan 11 15:14
also if the LL did it,why would he need to move the body?would it not have been easier for him to just fake a break-in?


Umm! (scratches chin) the same applies to the b/f. Think we will have to start again...groan!
By:
naydam
When: 06 Jan 11 17:26
I'm starting to think she may have been in A N Other's flat. That would be a new Other.
By:
kkkatt
When: 06 Jan 11 17:30
without boots and coat?
By:
mr winkle
When: 06 Jan 11 17:37
Has the coroner revealed the lividity of blood in her body ?
By:
brendanuk1
When: 06 Jan 11 17:40
moving body only makes sense if it goes via 3rd location imo
By:
Rocket to the FACE
When: 06 Jan 11 17:42
This theory about the keeping the body at the rifle range seems the best one so far.

Could be on to something.
By:
naydam
When: 06 Jan 11 17:53
KKKAT. She wouldn't need her boots and coat if there is internal access. Or if just 'popping round to the front' was often done in just socks as quoted by a resident.
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