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Cheers, Pandorica.

Primus inter pares.

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"Moronic", eh? Another proud upholder of the coincidence theory of 911 resorts to insult. It does your cause no good, boys.   

To sum up Pandorica's case against alternative theories to 911: there isn't any evidence because I haven't looked for any and couldn't conceive of the implications of such even if I found any. Confirmation bias anyone?

The truth is that ample evidence of means, motive and opportunity exists. But I guess some people just don't want to consider such dark possibilities.

I wish blind subscribers to official coincidence theories would devote 1% of the energy they give to attacking "conspiracy theorists" to actually scrutinising the official versions of events. It can be educational and revealing. Perhaps then they might understand the reasons for their suspicions.

I never miss. Check again.

agree and i dont think it will be answered sometime soon canary,
bit like jfk whom 99% agree wasnt killed by lho but thats what the record states

not for the 2000+ dead.....

whats this 9/11 thingy then?

The Prof Joined: 12 Feb 07
Replies: 3 12 Sep 10 18:22   


What I find very very strange is the fact that the US Authorities were able to find the passports of the hijackers in the rubble of the twin towers !!



One passport was found. We would need to know what else was found to compare the probability of this happening. If all the passports of the hijackers were found and nothing else, then yes this would be a smoking gun. This didn't happen.

masher Joined: 26 May 03
Replies: 129 12 Sep 10 22:55   


Terrorist" passport found in street after buildings collapse

Incorrect.

, and two black boxes built to survive any crash imaginable are supposedly not found.

Yep, they were indestructible- like the Titanic.

What I find very very strange is the fact that the US Authorities were able to find the passports of the hijackers in the rubble of the twin towers !!

Incorrect.



Masher they don't like it when you confuse them with the facts.lol

Angel Gabriel Joined: 09 May 05
Replies: 554 13 Sep 10 00:20   


CHIEF: OK, so we're blowing up these buildings and blaming the collapse on fire.

DEPUTY: But buildings don't collapse due to fire. The entire world engineering community will smell a rat.

CHIEF: Listen, we will say that the impact of the aircraft and the aviation fuel caused the collapse. We will tell NIST not to mention the Nano stuff.

DEPUTY: Erm but WTC 7 will not be hit by any aircraft, what should we say about this one?

CHIEF: Blame the office fires and any damage caused by debris. We will say we stored deisel in the building. Everyone will be on our side by then anyway, we will have our scientists come up with something.




Apart from the official version says that the diesel fuel on the premises had nothing to do with the collapse of the building. AG you really should do some research before you start tapping on your keyboard. You wouldn't keep showing your self up then.
Lack of water was the main problem.

NIST determined that diesel fuel did not play an important role, nor did the structural damage from the collapse of the twin towers. But the lack of water to fight the fire was an important factor. The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, including on floor 13, where a critical interior column buckled. With the buckling of that column, adjacent columns also failed along with the floor structure above. This triggered a vertical progression of floor failures to the roof. The collapse then progressed east-to-west across the structure, and ultimately the entire structure collapsed. The fires, fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse.[45]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

Incorrect?
Al-Suqami's passport was found by a passerby, reportedly in the vicinity of Vesey Street,before the towers collapsed. (This was mistakenly reported by many news outlets to be Mohamed Atta's passport.) A columnist for the British newspaper The Guardian expressed incredulity about the authenticity of this report,questioning whether a paper passport could survive the inferno unsinged when the plane's black boxes  were never found. According to testimony before the 9/11 Commission by lead counsel Susan Ginsburg, his passport had been "manipulated in a fraudulent manner in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda." Passports belonging to Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al Ghamdi were found at the crash site of United Airlines flight #93 as well as an airphone




masher is correct. You are incorrect. The original poster said the passport was found in the rubble of the twin towers. This is not correct. It was found before the collapse.

re raise Joined: 02 Feb 08
Replies: 82 14 Sep 10 12:42   


AG, is the Evan Fairbanks footage a fake in your opinion? If so, what are the inconsistencies that led you to this conclusion? Doesn't have to be scientific, just in plain english (angle is wrong, plane is too big/small, something like that). I'll take a look at the evidence and try and calculate you are right or wrong. 


Good luck with that one re raise. I've been asking AG for evidence for his beliefs for weeks now. he just ignores me. May be you will have more luck.

Angel Gabriel Joined: 09 May 05
Replies: 554 14 Sep 10 22:41   


Re Raise

Planes, no planes or impossible reflections. Its very hard to come to any possitive outcome, as the videos are open to visual trickery. For me the collapse of WTC 7 and Bin Ladens connections with the CIA are areas of concern.



What is your evidence for Bin Ladens connections with the CIA?

Gene Hackman Joined: 07 Feb 02
Replies: 2164 16 Sep 10 13:26   


Just watched that programme on C4 from last week.
The wife of that fella that "stormed" the cockpit on flight 93 was talking about what happened.
She said her husband had "overheard the hijackers talking about crashing the plane into a field"
So,the hijackers who are locked in the cockpit with the crew can be overheard from outside discussing that they intend to crash the plane into a field.
Why would they do that?
Sparky was telling me on here last week that the hijackers decided to crash the plane as a least worst option,as they knew they would soon be overun,by the unarmed passengers.
But the passengers haven't even began to try to take over the plane yet,because our hero has only just overheard the hijackers discussing their plan.
Right:The Hijackers are now deciding that they will crash their plane into a field,rather than their intended target,before anyone has even thought about taking over the plane?
It doesn't really make sense does it?



What was the programme called? I will take a look.

Sunset is a tool tbh

They found one passport correct and that is suspicious enough as it is, they didnt find anymore just one persons passport and it happened to be a hijackers That looks even more suspicious than finding the lot of them imo, so they didnt find it at all they claimed to of found it total bollox they just said they had

Angel Gabriel Joined: 09 May 05
Replies: 554 18 Sep 10 08:24   


I find it amusing that `TRUTHERS` are called names on mainstream media especially in America....LOONS!! DELUSIONAL!! NUTS!! PIN HEADS!!............Surely there should be live debates on the subject. If there is nothing to hide then why is there no mature debates.



Wrong again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVmEmJ666M

b]Gene Hackman Joined: 07 Feb 02
Replies: 2165 18 Sep 10 21:14   


Pandorica
1.The military on exercises that day[/b].

What is supposed to prove? There are military exercises all the time.


2.The unusual numbers of stock market transactions involving parties affected by 9/11.


Of course some people had prior knowledge of 9/11. I presume the US government have tried to track these people.


3.Four planes with fewer passengers than usual on board.


What is your evidence that they usually had more passengers on? So what if they did? Proves nothing.

4.WTC having fewer workers and visitors than usual.
All these facts are not in doubt,in fact the debunking sites agree that they are true and try to explain each one.
Do you just put it down to coincidence



So you say. Source please? So what are you trying to say that hundreds know what was going to happen , but didn't turn in for work and they didn't tell any one else. Ye right pull the other one it's got bells on it.

Newly obtained video that was reluctantly released by NIST after a lawsuit by the International Center for 9/11 Studies shows two firefighters on 9/11 discussing how secondary explosions occurred immediately before the collapse of the twin towers, providing damning new evidence that explosive devices were used to bring down the buildings.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/october2010/100610_huge_explosions.htm

Interesting video. But not conclusive of anything.

A couple of things to remember regarding apparent explosions:

1) Controlled demolitions traditionally occur from the bottom up. Not from the top down, as appeared to be the case with the Twin Towers. So how would any apparent explosions in the lower floors be connected with the collapse? What would the collpase mechanism be?

2) The use of the word "explosions" does not necessarily imply the use of explosive devices. Most people have no experience of explosive devices and use the word to refer to a variety of sudden loud bangs. 

3) The word "explosions" can be used to refer to a number of phenomena that can be experienced in a fire, eg a crashing lift, an exploding gas mains, etc, all of which would have some of the symptoms of an explosion caused by an explosive device (eg loud noise, pressure wave, outburst of flames, etc).

None of this means that explosive devices were not heard or used. It just means that eye/ear-witness of "explosions" and "bombs" is very difficult to weigh and, by itself, may be of little value.

Any explosions would have transfered energy throughout the Towers, therefore affecting any weakened areas. ie above the impact of the crash.

Hope this helps Slarty