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9/11 was it a conspiracy?
9/11 was it a conspiracy?
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I find it strange that the accused terrorists had a meeting in Vegas in the build up to 9/11 where they frequented gambling,drinking and stripper premises. As Islamic extremists who are willing to sacrifice themselves for their Islamic beliefs, in an act of terrorism against the perverted and capitalistic west....erm...now then...strap yourself in Sunset Cristo but im not sure they where Islamic extremists if they enjoyed the the thrills of drink,gambling and strippers.What do you think?
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Would you not think that the men accused of sacrificing themselves for Allah would also live by the Qur`an as well as die by it.
Ziad Jarrow, Hamza Alghamdi, Marwan Alshehhi, Mohamed Atta, Narwaf Alhazmi and Majed Moqed all used strip bars, pornography and consumed alcohol. These men where embracing American culture, not about to end their lives in repulse of it. |
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I'm not going to get dragged into this thread, but to answer the most recent point...
...the perpetrators were encouraged to believe that the act of martyrdom was so holy that all of their sins would be forgiven, and they would be guaranteed entry into paradise. Hence the strip bars etc before their mission. Religions have been pulling this stunt for millenia, and not only Islam. |
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You mean something like ...there is more joy in heaven for the repented sinner
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might as well live a life of drunken womaniser...makes everyone happy dunnit (hic)
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Not really... I can't imagine the historical Jesus or Mohammed defending slaughter of civilians
The current pseudo-Islamic indoctrination of suicide bombers is much like the psuedo-Christian Papal absolutions for eg Crusaders imo |
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This is true Riccardo. To the leaders of the various religions it's just their way of doing business. If that's what it takes to get them to do what is required...no problem. Blessings are ten a penny.
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Blind patriotism is just as brainwashing
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It would be interesting to hear what `naughty` things the other suicide bombers are involved in, just before Martyrdom.
Any poker, prostitutes and cocaine partying for Mohammad Sidique Khan and Co before they exploded themselves all over the underground on 7/7 ? I await the seedy stories....please do tell. |
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You are having a laugh, aren't you? 1) It is a fact that suicide bomber trainers play on the ignorance of young volunteers, and promise them paradise. There are numerous propaganda videos confirming this. 2) Some, or all, or indeed none, of the 7/7 bombers may or may not have "taken advantage of" the same doctrines 3) The facts of 2) are irrelevant to the facts of 1)... even if you proved (which you haven't) that Mohammed Siddique Khan didn't visit casinos or brothels before blowing himself up... how on earth can you even attempt to use this to imply that the 9/11 crew weren't muslims and/or weren't bombers? Get a grip on some logic ffs! |
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Angel. It would be even more interesting to hear what they got up to AFTER matyrdom!
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Christ, most religions and their followers are hypocritical in that they pick and choose what suits them. If a person can justify mass murder in their head they can sure as hell justify gambling and titty bars.
Do you feel the same way about the catholic priests who diddle kids? Do you find that hard to beleive? They live by the bible but aren't too bothered about it when they have a choir boy bent over the church organ. |
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Shrewd Dude.....You are missing the point, if you are indeed implying that the accused hijackers had turned a blind eye to their Muslim beliefs to revel in pornography and the `devils drink` the night before they end their own lives for their muslim beliefs.
You can not compare this scenario to paedophile catholic priests who never sacrifice themselves for their beliefs. The are obsessed with preaching the perils of resisting `temptation`, yet the perverted facist con men cant resist their own temptation. Facists dress in black and spread fear...where as Priests...?? |
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Naydam.......You shouldnt laugh.
Karma is a wonderful thing!  |
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So the priests can't resist their temptations for young boys and these guys for white women, drink and gambling. It is exactly the same as the catholic priest.
Do they believe they are sacrificing their lives for Islam? or are they willing to kill themselves because they will become a martyr and are deluded to think they will have 99 virgins in the next life? You seem to be applying a logical, normal thought process to someone who is quite willing to kill themselves and mass murder hundreds of others based on the warped interpretation of a millenia old book and the say so of a couple of old Imans who have told him porkies about the afterlife. In some ways killing yourself for the above may be the easier sacrifice than spending your life as a priest. Many people don't see taking their life as a sacrifice. |
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Angel. If Karma really works, it holds no fears for me.
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The jury in the Bronx synagogue bomb plot case was told Wednesday that the informant who provided the four suspects with phony bombs and missiles was paid $97,000 by the FBI.
The FBI gave Pakistani immigrant Shahed Hussain $44,000 for expenses and $53,000 for "his services" over a three-year period, agent Robert Fuller said. http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/25/2010-08-25_fbi_paid_informant_in_bronx_synagogue_bomb_plot_97k_who_provided_terror_suspects.html |
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...and...?
The FBI were trying to find muslims who might commit terrorist acts. (Yes, of course they were.) They found some muslims who agreed to take thier money. (Is anyone surprised here?) I am no fan of the FBI (historically), but it seems to me that they have done their job here. At worst, they have wasted $100k trapping a few no-mark braggarts. At best, they have spent $100k finding extremists. You do the sums. |
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How are we all this fine if chilly evening?
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Dunno mate. Either the Pakistani ISI or the Damn Yankee CIA have stolen all of my kilojoules. I barely have the strength to ty...
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Orioles
Then again, people of your ilk sent Stefan Kiszko to jail for 16 years. |
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I was 11
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9/11 IMO
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I am just popping out... I may be gone for some ti...
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Very good
 Careful though, Cobblaz will have you down for Hiroshima. |
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'There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation.' - Herbert Spencer
'All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.' - Arthur Schopenhauer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4szU19bQVE |
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Interesting article. One possible summary = because more people are seeing through official lies about Iraq, the War on Terror, etc, intelligence services need to control debate online. Demos call this being "more transparent"!
The Independent - August 29, 2010 Secret services 'must be made more transparent' By Rachel Shields The secret services must become more transparent if they are to halt the spread of damaging conspiracy theories and increase trust in the Government, claims a leading think tank. A Demos report published today, The Power of Unreason, argues that secrecy surrounding the investigation of events such as the 9/11 New York attacks and the 7/7 bombings in London merely adds weight to unsubstantiated claims that they were "inside jobs". (I notice they don't say that the official stories are also unsubstantiated - funny that. Of course, with no independent inquiries and the perpetrators/patsies dead, hence not going to court, robust evidence was not required). It warns of the dangers posed by conspiracy theories - from hindering counter-terrorism work by reducing public trust in the Government, to encouraging new alliances between extremists based on such theories - and recommends the Government fight back by infiltrating internet sites to dispute these theories. (Of course the main danger posed by these dastardly conspiracy theories is that people will see through the lies they are being fed and demand action. This must be stopped at all costs.) Jamie Bartlett, the author of the report, said: "Less-secret services could make Britain safer. The more open the Government is, the harder it is for extremist groups to make stories out of silence." (Nicely done, Jamie. Let's tar all 911 and 7/7 dissenters as extremists.) The Royal United Services Institute warned last week that the UK may soon face a new wave of home-grown terrorists, when criminals who have been targeted by jihadists while in prison are released. Demos also recommends that the National Security Council publish an annual report of its proceedings and that it makes details of counter-terrorism investigations available to selected individuals. A Home Office spokesman said: "The Government has prepared the groundwork in being more open by having a review of counter-terrorism powers." |
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As we predicted `freedom of speach` will soon be a thing of the past. Anyone who challenges the Governments authority,judgement or integrity will be seen as anti government `extremists`. This will lead to an uprising on the streets and enforce a larger police state. Where the sheeples who never challenge the governments activity live as `grateful slaves`..
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lol, only the illiterate can save us now!
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They can cut our benefits, but they can never take our freadom.
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Angel Gabriel Joined: 09 May 05
Replies: 416 24 Aug 10 22:08 Unusual activity at the World Trade Centre before 9/11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB2fHqnqZaE&feature=related Any one that can't see that the collapse starts from near the top needs to go to Specsavers. Nothing like a controlled demolition.More like some thing from Independence day. And the towers don't fall straight down.Thats why the surrounding buildings got so badly damaged. It's not rocket science. Watch the video. |
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Clearly the collapse started high up, unlike conentional contolled demolition.
I don't know much about physics and buildings but the way the towers peeled outwards like a banana - flinging massive steel pieces laterally hundreds of feet in some cases - when they collapsed seemed unusual to my untrained eye. Has anyone seen any footage of similar large buidings collapsing in a similar way? Ones I have seen seem to topple over sideways or go straight down roughly into their footprint. |
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slartybartfast Joined: 10 Jul 04
Replies: 875 24 Aug 10 23:22 Good post again, STP. I agree with much of your general thrust. Regarding how the planes were crashed, the more likely alternative scenario imo is remote control. What evidence is there for this? Do you think then that the flight crew were in on the conspiracy then? Do you think that those that made phone calls from low levels and said the plane had been hijacked were lying. I have not read any of Griffin's books but I understand that he avoids speculating on alternative explanations, preferring to stick with questioning the official story. |
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slartybartfast Joined: 10 Jul 04
Replies: 876 24 Aug 10 23:27 It's all bollux. Case closed then, that's a relief. I wouldn't say it's all bollux. I have a few questions, but that's to be expected. You normally have a few loose ends in any case. When it's a big incident though like 9/11 people start pointing the finger at the government. People mean different things when they talk about a conspiracy any way. Gene won't say what he actually believes and will only talk about the Pentagon. All the conspiracy theorists believe different things. Take a look at this website 911myths.com A point by point rebuttal of this site would be nice slarty or any one else. Probably get ignored as usual. |
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Angel Gabriel Joined: 09 May 05
Replies: 416 24 Aug 10 23:59 Masher i think you will find that because of the impossiblities that the cell phones where used to make those calls, that Griffin shows that more clarification is needed. As everything is linked, how many pieces of the jigsaw need to be the wrong shape before everybody says` hold on a minute, something just aint right here!` There are only a few that are the wrong shape and that is too be expected. Even the smallest incidents usually has some unanswered questions. |
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paradox and equilibrium Joined: 06 Jul 07
Replies: 1931 25 Aug 10 00:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quQooEHq-w4&feature=related Hmmm. kind of looks a bit more serious than the trade centre fires. Burnt all night until it was done. Didn't collapse. The twin Towers were hit by planes. Why do you people always leave that out. You are comparing apples and oranges. The Trade centres were unique though, built in the 60s, one off design. Thing is, building 7 was built in the 80s, and designed to house some of thr most important government agencies including the Federal emergency mangement authority headquarters control centre. Still, I'm sure a Hong Kong hotel would be of more sturdy construction. |
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Gene Hackman Joined: 07 Feb 02
Replies: 1815 25 Aug 10 10:32 cont: "Just hang on a minute,a lot of this stuff we are faking may well be spotted in a few years time" "And your points is?" "Well,we'll be in a lot of trouble wont we?.....surely they'll have people that will come forward and ask us lots of questions and there'll be all kinds of holes in our story" "Don't worry,the vast majority will believe whatever we tell them, What the evidence points to. and all those that don't we'll just call nutters" "Nutters?" If the hat fits wear it.  "Yeah,nutters,we always call anyone who doesn't beleive what we tell them nutters""There'll be an inquiry after it all,and the truth will come out in that inquiry wont it?" "It depends what you mean by truth doesn't it....there'll be OUR truth and there'll be THEIR truth: "Of course - let's roll!" The truth is what the evidence points to.You got any evidence that points to your so called truth? All you have provided so far is lack of evidence. Allegations that eye witnesses were planted. No evidence to back that up. No eyewitnesses that saw a missile strike the Pentagon. |
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luddite Joined: 12 Jul 04
Replies: 470 27 Aug 10 14:52 You need to watch it to the end I'm not clicking on any more of your links. |
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Gene Hackman Joined: 07 Feb 02
Replies: 1815 27 Aug 10 20:13 That's right.They didn't,but it shows that they considered it. The strangest thing to me about 9/11 is that "official story believers" think it outrageous that the USA would sacrifice their own people. Of course they would.In the great scheme of things 3000 people isn't a lot. This is not my position.I think the USA might sacrifice their own people, but that's not really the point.The point is you have not provided any good evidence that they did.With out that everything you say is just speculation.Why not just use one plane and kill a few hundred? That would have been more than enough. |