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Quiet here today.

A little light reading: 
http://davidraygriffin.com/articles/was-america-attacked-by-muslims-on-911/

Very interesting reading slarty.

good article that is, ive always wondered  how they could make calls at 30,000 ft up in the air surely they would have no signal?

So they do work then? Strange every time i have been on a plane i have no signal until we have basically landed

smalltime punter

you ought not to think about things in terms of nationalism.

You called the people who did this 'yanks'
We are talking about globalist who want to run the world, they care nothing for nationalism.
They are the same people destroying the US and the UK

The quote below would suggest the opposite is the case...are rather that the one time it would be safe to use them would be on take-off and landing. Service is, obviously, inconsistant. Are you seriously questioning why people would call loved ones when their life is in peril?

Different airlines seem to have adopted differing policies to bans.

So, you haven't been able to get reception on a plane the times you've flown, and THAT has convinced you, despite the fact that investigators found the potential problems caused by such calls, so serious as to ban it, and the many people who've reported receiving calls, that it can't happen! That's quite marvellous.

If it's BA, be careful not to make a call if you get signal, I think it's still banned - it certainly was a year and a half ago, when they started trailling allowing people to send text messages etc.

I suspect the phonecall issue is a cul-de-sac or red herring. Afterall, if the offiial story is BS the perps are unlikely to be sloppy enough to base their cover story on impossible feats of telephony.

slarty...I sort of agree, but wouldn't that rather suggest that these phone calls from people saying their planes have been hijacked are...phone calls from people saying their planes have been hijacked. Now there is a circulr logic to that I accept, but as it only comes in response to 'why they were fake' I think it's entirely valid.

naydam, merely because calls may have been possible it does not follow that:
a) the claimed calls were actually made or
b) the calls were genuine or
c) the terrorists were Arabs or
d) the plotters were Al Qaeda or
e) the authorities didn't let it happen
etc

Discounting one of many questions and curiosities about the Official Conspiracy Theory in no way proves that it happened as officially claimed.   

Having said that, I agree that these threads rarely result in conclusions. However, my view is that there are sufficient causes for concern about the Official Conspiracy Theory to necessitate a proper independent inquiry (ie one that isn't run by associates of some of the suspects).

"Wireless communications networks weren't designed for ground-to-air communication. Cellular experts privately admit that they're surprised the calls were able to be placed from the hijacked planes, and that they lasted as long as they did. They speculate that the only reason that the calls went through in the first place is that the aircraft were flying so close to the ground ( http://www.elliott.org/technology/2001/cellpermit.htm

Expert opinion within the wireless telecom industry casts serious doubt on "the findings" of the 9/11 Commission. According to Alexa Graf, a spokesman of AT&T, commenting in the immediate wake of the 9/11 attacks:

"it was almost a fluke that the [9/11] calls reached their destinations... From high altitudes, the call quality is not very good, and most callers will experience drops. Although calls are not reliable, callers can pick up and hold calls for a little while below a certain altitude" ( http://wirelessreview.com/ar/wireless_final_contact/        )

New Wireless Technology

While serious doubts regarding the cell calls were expressed in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, a new landmark in the wireless telecom industry has further contributed to upsetting the Commission's credibility. Within days of the release of the 9/11 Commission Report in July, American Airlines and Qualcomm, proudly announced the development of a new wireless technology --which will at some future date allow airline passengers using their cell phones to contact family and friends from a commercial aircraft (no doubt at a  special rate aerial roaming charge) (see http://www.qualcomm.com/press/releases/2004/040715_aa_testflight.html )

"Travelers could be talking on their personal cellphones as early as 2006. Earlier this month [July 2004], American Airlines conducted a trial run on a modified aircraft that permitted cell phone calls." (WP, July 27, 2004)

Aviation Week (07/20/04) described this new technology in an authoritative report published in July 2004:

"Qualcomm and American Airlines are exploring [July 2004] ways for passengers to use commercial cell phones inflight for air-to-ground communication. In a recent 2-hr. proof-of-concept flight, representatives from government and the media used commercial Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA) third-generation cell phones to place and receive calls and text messages from friends on the ground.

For the test flight from Dallas-Fort Worth, the aircraft was equipped with an antenna in the front and rear of the cabin to transmit cell phone calls to a small in-cabin CDMA cellular base station. This "pico cell" transmitted cell phone calls from the aircraft via a Globalstar satellite to the worldwide terrestrial phone network"

Needless to say, neither the service, nor the "third generation" hardware, nor the "Picco cell" CDMA base station inside the cabin (which so to speak mimics a cell phone communication tower inside the plane) were available on the morning of September 11, 2001.

Who said anything about being forced to make calls and then executed?

Its difficult to determine which way Id go on the original question

Do I honestly think the US with moron Bush in charge would go to such extremes as to kill its own citizens and frame innocent people in order to manipulate a situation?.......You f ucking bet

Do I actually think the US is hated enough by other individuals/cultures to such an extreme that they'd carry out something like that?.....(As another idiot American once said) 'You betcha'

A score draw in my book.

maybe bush did do it , those yanks  get up to strange things


http://www.techeye.net/science/cia-boffins-poisoned-french-village


For more than 50 years the world has been told that a small village in Southern France was unwittingly poisoned with a psychedelic mould from contaminated bread.

According to the Daily Telegraph, in 1951 Pont-Saint-Esprit, in the Gard, south-east France was mysteriously struck down with mass insanity and hallucinations. At least five people died, dozens were committed to asylums and hundreds afflicted.

Now boffins believe that the the CIA peppered food with the hallucinogenic drug LSD as part of a mind-control experiment at the height of the Cold War.

■New efficiencies lie ahead - see the new IBM System x3650 M3 Express ■Access your PCs & Macs from anywhere with LogMeIn Free – Try Now! ■Find 1000s of IT Jobs at CWJobs Ads by TechEyeOne man tried to drown himself, screaming his belly was being eaten by snakes. An 11-year-old tried to strangle his grandmother. Another man shouted, “I am a plane”, before jumping out of a second-floor window, breaking his legs. He then got up and tried to walk for 45 metres. Another thought his heart was escaping through his feet and called a doctor to put it back.

Officials decided that a baker had unwittingly contaminated his flour with ergot, a hallucinogenic mould that infects rye grain. But H.P. Albarelli, an investigative hack, claims the outbreak resulted from a covert experiment directed by the CIA.

The boffins who provided the theories of accidental poisoning , worked for the Sandoz Pharmaceutical Company, which was then secretly supplying the US army and CIA with LSD.

BP Albarelli, an investigative journalist,  found the evidence while investigating the suicide of Frank Olson, a biochemist working for the Special Operations Division who fell from a 13th floor window two years after the “cursed bread” incident.

A note on the file transcribes a conversation between a CIA agent and a Sandoz official who mentions the the Pont-Saint-Esprit incident was caused by diethylamide. This is the D in LSD.

Deep throats in the CIA told him that the Pont-Saint-Esprit incident was part of a mind-control experiment run by the CIA and US army.

Agents sprayed LSD into the air and also contaminated the local food.

A White House document sent to members of the Rockefeller commission formed in 1975 to investigate CIA abuses, mentioned the names of French citizens who had been secretly employed by the CIA and made direct reference to the Pont St. Esprit incident.

Albarelli claims Army boffins drugged more than 5700 unwitting US servicemen between 1953 and 1965.

It is not clear if the French government knew about the experiment. Apparently the goal was to see if authorities could use LSD to control a popular revolt.
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Read more: http://www.techeye.net/science/cia-boffins-poisoned-french-village#ixzz0xYJlGSTC

What slarty said.

Cell phones dont work from high altitudes. What happened to the bodies on flight 93?