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That is one of my favourites too.
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What about the pilots for 9/11 truth,that say that the flightpath,and angle the plane approached,and entry point of the plane was,in their opinion, impossible given the constraints and manouevarability of the aircraft? The videos from New York clearly show that it is possible. Or are they faked as well? That's your usual cop out when the evidence doesn't sought your theory. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am talking about the Pentagon strike. Pilots for 9/11 truth say it is impossible for the Pentagon to be struck in the way it was reported given the constraints/limitations/angle of approach etc etc. Are all these pilots wrong? They say that for inexperienced pilots to come anywhere near being able to fly a large passenger aircraft in the way required is unthinkable. These are respected pilots that understand their subject. Are they wrong in their analysis? Please deal with this point specifically. |
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How many pilots say this and how experienced are they?
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Pilots For Truth is in its infancy and has only been released to the public since August 2006. We only cover facts as our mission statement explains on the home page. - We currently have numerous pilots/aviation professionals -- and growing -- at Pilots For Truth. Current combined experience is over 200,000 Hours flight time with ATP, Commercial, Primary and Advanced Flight Instructors etc. - Airlines represented include Continental, American, TWA, Independence Air, ATA, jetBlue, United, several corporate, charter and fractional carriers. - Our membership covers every branch of the military. - We have experts from Boeing and licensed Aircraft Maintenance Technicians (AMT's). - We have several members who help behind the scenes as they will lose their jobs (and access to information) should they go public. These types of members include airline workers and current active duty military. -Scholars for Truth and Veterans For Truth are part of the same team. Aviation professionals from each organization are considered part of each other. Which include aero engineers, simulator experts.. FAA Inspectors.. etc. Contacts are ongoing to organize as we are getting emails daily from those wishing to join. A list of members is now available and will be constantly updated. Again, Pilots For Truth is in its infancy. - Pilot experience includes type ratings in MD-88, CRJ, 737, 757, 767, 747, DC-10, J-41, several corporate types and Military drivers. - The Flight Data Recorder Research Team consists of Professionals/Experts in Computers for decoding files, pilots and Accident Investigators to interpret the data, experts from Boeing to help interpret the data, and eyewitness research experts such as Aldo Marquis and Craig Renke from the Citizen Investigation Team.. - The NTSB has refused to comment regarding the conflict in the Official story vs. the American Airlines Flight 77 Flight Data Recorder. - Any aviation professional interested in joining our research team, please contact pilotsfortruth@NOSPAMyahoo.com (please remove the words NOSPAM when emailing). We welcome all aviation professionals. Pilots, Mechanics, ATC, FA's, Rampers, Gate Agents, Customer Service, etc. |
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Again,to save time I've copied and pasted a list of members: Navigation DVD's Pilots For Truth Forum Main Page American 77 (Pentagon) American 11 (North Tower) United 175 (South Tower) United 93 (Shanksville, PA) Multimedia/Links NEW! Credentials and Experience List of Members Latest News/Articles WTC related CORE MEMBERS LISTED IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY JOINED. LIST UPDATED REGULARLY. Robert Balsamo 4000TT Commercial, Instrument, Multi, CFI II MEI Corporate Chief Pilot 135 Capt 121 FO Independence Air/Atlantic Coast Airlines King Air C-90/200, Dornier 328JET Captain Russ Wittenberg (ret) 30,000+ Total Flight Time 707, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777 Pan Am, United United States Air Force (ret) Over 100 Combat Missions Flown Command time in: - N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93) - N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175) Captain Ross Aimer UAL Ret. CEO, Aviation Experts LLC 40 years and 30,000 hrs. BS Aero A&P Mech. B-777/767/757/747/737/727/720/707, DC-10/-9/-8 Type ratings Command time in: - N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93) - N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175) www.AviationExperts.com Commander Ralph “Rotten” Kolstad 23,000 hours 27 years in the airlines B757/767 for 13 years mostly international Captain with American Airlines. 20 years US Navy flying fighters off aircraft carriers, TopGun twice civilian pilot flying gliders, light airplanes and warbirds Command time in: - N644AA (Aircraft dispatched as American 77) - N334AA (Aircraft dispatched as American 11) John Lear Son of Bill Lear (Founder, creator of the Lear Jet Corporation) More than 40 years of Flying 19,000+ TT 23 Type ratings Flight experience includes 707, DC-8, 727, L10-11 Jeff Latas -Over 20 years in the USAF --USAF Accident investigation Board President --Flew the F-111, T38, and F-15E --Combat experience in the F-15E includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch --Weapons Requirements Officer, USAF HQ, Pentagon --Standard and Evaluations Flight Examiner, Command level -Currently Captain for JetBlue Airways Guy S. Razer, LtCol, USAF (Ret) 3,500+ Hours Total Flight Time F-15E/C, F-111A/D/E/F/EF, F-16, F-18, B-1, Mig-29, SU-22, T-37/38, Various Cvilian Prop Combat Time: Operation Northern Watch USAF Fighter Weapons School Instructor NATO Tactical Leadership Program Instructor/Mission Coordinator USAF Material Command Weapons Development Test Pilot Combat Support Coordination Team 2 Airpower Coordinator, South Korea All Service Combat Identification Evaluation Team Operations Officer Boeing F-22 Pilot Instructor MS Aeronautical Studies, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University Dwain Deets MS Physics, MS Eng Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center Served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988) Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics Associate Fellow - American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000 Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems - Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology 37 year NASA career Field McConnell (Captain Sherlock?) 23,000+ hours CV580,DC9,MD80,B727,A320,DC10 NCA,REP,NWA A4,F4,F16 USN,USMC, ND ANG www.captainsherlock.com Forced to retire due 9/11 exposure www.hawkscafe.com Captain Paul A. Trood B737-800/400 Captain Qantas Airways Australia Experience: 18,000 flight hours Jim Mustanich ATP 20,000+ hours Typed in CE-500, DHC-7, EMB-110, BA-3100 Aircraft flown include Boeing 727,737, Douglas DC-9, MD-80 United Air Lines, American International Airlines, Air Pacific Airlines, West Air Airlines 6-7 years corporate flying in Cessna Citations Factory demo pilot for Cessna Citations Ted Muga Naval Aviator - Retired Commander, USNR A/C experience - Grumman E-1 and E-2 ( Approx, 3800 hours ) Pan American World Airways - Retired Dec. 1991 ( that's when PanAM went bankrupt ) Flight Engineer/First Officer -- Boeing 707 & Boeing 727 ( approx. 7500 hours ) Col Robert Bowman President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies Executive Vice President of Millennium III Corporation retired Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church 101 combat missions in Vietnam directed all the “Star Wars” programs under Presidents Ford and Carter recipient of the Eisenhower Medal George F. Kennan Peace Prize President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace Society of Military Engineers' ROTC Award of Merit (twice) Six Air Medals Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech chaired 8 major international conferences one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security independent candidate for President of the US in 2000 http://thepatriots.us John Panarelli friend and fellow aviator of John Ogonowski - Capt. AA #11 ATP: L-300, B-737, DC-10, DC-8, FE, TT=approx. 11,000 hours USAF-C141-IP, Eastern Metro, Braniff, Ryan International, Emery Worldwide, Polar Air Cargo "DG" 10,000TT Chief Pilot of Casino Express airlines Director of Operations Training at Polar Air Cargo, and Asst. Chief Pilot for Presidential Air Manager of Flying for Eastern Airlines Falcon 900 and a G-200 Check Captain B737,A300, Da-50, G-200 and C-500 FE, A&P. Dennis Spear Army Aviator 20+ years - United States Army 7000 TT in a variety of fixed and rotary wing aircraft C-23, C-7, U-21,U-8, T-39, EH-60, UH-60, UH-1, OH-58 Instrument Flight Examiner, Fixed Wing Instructor Pilot, H-60 Maintenance Test Pilot Operations Officer, Aviation Safety Officer FAA Commercial Pilot - ASMEL, Rotorcraft Helicopter, Instrument Airplane/Helicopter Scott Burley 747-400 First Officer United Airlines 22 Years Bill Credle Aviation Maintenance Technician American Airlines 17 Years Tony Ryan Warrant Officer RAAF (ret) Former Royal Australian Air Force Served between 18thFeb1958 and 21March1981 Flight Engineer on C130A, C130E, C130H and B707 Cathay Pacific Airways L1011 Tristar Flight Engineer, B747-200, B747-300 and B747-200F 10000+ TT FE Australian Private Pilot License 300 hours on C150, C152, C172, C172RG and Piper Archer aircraft Alfons Olszewski Veterans For Truth Vietnam Veteran Aircraft Maintenance Crew Chief MOS: 67V20 qualified on Cobras, Hueys, and Loch Helicopters George Nelson Colonel USAF (Ret.) 30 year career managing aircraft maintenance activities Licensed commercial pilot Licensed airframe and powerplant mechanic Aircraft accident investigator Larry Patriarca USN Aviation Structural Mechanic VAQ 135, EA-6B Squadron, 1983-86 Coordinator for Central Mass 9/11 Truth Alliance Member of Veterans for 9/11 Truth Associate Member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth Captain Steve Nieman 30 year Capt with Horizon Air Q400 Joel Skousen USMC Fighter/Attack Pilot (Vietnam Era) 1000+ TT, F-4, A-4, F-9, T-2C, various civilian planes Commercial Pilot w/ Instrument, multi-engine ratings EAA and AOPA member Colonel Michael Harley USAF (ret) Command pilot ~ 6000 Total Flight Time T-38,T-33, T-37,T-39, C-47, U-6, Uh-1, C130A, B, E, & prototype H, Kc-135 and B-52. 26 years commissioned. 34 Years total service USAF Accident Investigator Instructor Accident Investigation, Embry-Riddle University Management analyst and IG, simulator instructor, Instructor Pilot, Standardization Evaluation Pilot, Chief of Standardization of a Sac Wing equipped with B-52, RC-135 and Kc-135 Flew Cessna 177, Twin Bonanza, Cherokee-6 ~200 hours as civilian private pilot Newspaper columnist for 10 years, now a freelance writer Mathias Frey Switzerland C340, C402 CPL/IR ATPL “frozen” 500 hrs TT 3000+ hrs on ASTRAS, INTRAS and TOSIM, ATC Simulation Assistant JAR OPS Transition Air Engiadina Project Manager Air Alps Aviation Jeff Dahlstrom C-141 pilot in the early 70's during the Vietnam era: 2nd AF, 432nd MAWg, 18th Sq, MacGuire AFB, NJ. Pilot training was class 70-06, at Laughlin AFB, Tx Joe H. Ferguson Retired Capt. 30,000TT 5,000 FE USAF Ret. T-6, T -28, B-25, B-29, KC-97 Frontier, Continental Airlines DC - 3, CV 580, B737, MD80, DC10 Bill Reyes Caravan Pilot for UPS Feeder Commercial, Instrument, Multi Engine, Flight Instructor 1500 TT Ex Lieutenant USN Horn Of Africa/ Persian Gulf 02-03 Aboard USS Nassau (LHA-4) Capt. Omar Pradhan U.S. Air Force – AWACS command pilot Flight Instructor U.S. Air Force Academy Planes flown: Boeing E-3 Sentry AWACS (militarized Boeing 707-320B) 1,900+ hours flight time (350+ hours of combat air time over Afghanistan and Iraq) Jared Eastley 5000 + TT Airplane, Single & Multi-Engine Land, CFII, MEI, ATP SWIV (Metroliner) - Single Pilot Business Charter and Air Ambulance Pilot Mike Aybar Aircraft Maintenance Technician, Crew Chief American Airlines "Steven" Canada ATC (in training) James Edward Forst First Officer EMB-145 Trans States Airlines UND summa **** laude December 2006 Degree in Commercial Aviation and Aviation Management CFI, CFII, and MEI 65% type CRJ Hammish Brannan Former United Kingdom air defense ground enviroment (UKADGE) RADAR technician Primary and secondary ground radar systems ATC & airborne systems (including radio) as an instructor for the Ministry of Defence (MOD) Didier "Jay" Weenen BAF retired SIAI SF 260M, Potez Fouga Magister, BA/Do Alpha Jet, F16A, C130H, C153, C172, C182, L45, various gliders "Wes" MD-88 American Airlines Peter Rapp Austria PPL/IFR 950TT Piper Turbo Arrow, PA32T Saratoga, Cessna 172, Cessna 182T Garmin1000 Carry out business flights for clients and Co-Pi on Turbine Malibu and Beech90 Kingair. Erin Myers 600TT Private Pilot (single engine, land, VFR) Cessna, Piper, Waco, Pitts, Citabria R22s and a JetRanger. Army Aviation 68G (maintenance and repair): Blackhawk, Apache and OH58. FAA A&P Mechanic Experimental Aircraft Builder 1990 KitFox.Lanceair, Glassair, variety of Micro and Ultra lights. Sean Dulac Private Pilot 500TT Christina Merrick 12,000+ TT ATP A&P, CFIAIM, FE Turbojet B-727, DC-9, SNJ-5, (T-6) Navion and Bellanca Viking Current Advanced Instructing Consultant for AOPA Legal Attorneys Eastern Airlines, ValuJet Fellow Pilot and Friend of Captain Candi Chamberlain Kubeck ValuJet flight 592, brought down in the Everglades May 1996 Dave Kisor Former Aviation Electrician USN / USNR Worked on A-4E/F, TA-4F/J & A-7B/E ashore and afloat (CV-19, CV-43) P-3B & C-9B. Back seat TA-4F/J & A-4F NWL Flight & hangar deck fire fighting qualified Jumped from UH-1N BA & MA in Geography Presently employed US Forest Service Technician at the Riverside CA Fire Laboratory Slawomir M. Kozak Air Traffic Controller Warsaw International Airport Tower Control Supervisor On Job Training Unit Chief Former President of Polish Air Traffic Controllers Association Former member of Polish Airports State Enterprise Employee’s Council Member of National Aviation Council Member of International Aviation English Association Journalist of aviation magazines "National Geographic" aviation consultant Author of Two Books related to 9/11. Currently working on third - Demons Of Extermination Books Available here Timothy Young Comm, Inst, ME, Land & Sea, CFI Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic 10,000+ Hrs. PIC Aircraft Owner & Aviation Business Operator for 27 years Greg Stone Flight Attendant American Airlines LAX-I, 31-years Michael Herzog Private Pilot Multi Engine Rated 1500TT 150, 152, 172, 210, Cherokee 140, Warrior, Twin Aerocommander Profession : Talk Show Host We The People Radio Network 'The American Awakening' Rodger Herbst 777 and 787 Aeronautics Flight Controls and Simulation Engineering Jeff Beck Commercial, Instrument Craig Hill Post Solo Student Pilot Ran as 9/11 Truth candidate for US Senate for Vermont in 2004 and 2006. Producer of "Treason Inc" Founder of the Green Party of Vermont Helped organize four 9/11 Truth candidates appearing on statewide ballot in Vermont in 2006 Appeared on many televised debates promoting 9/11awareness Public Appearances - -C-SPAN2, Called for the arrest and removal of Bush, Cheney and much of DC for treason -Spoken on 9/11 panels and podiums in many venues around the country, from NYC on several occasions -9/11 Boston Tea Party at historic Faneuil Hall -The Alex Jones-organized 9/11 event in LA -The 2006 event in Chicago Currently organizing impeachment drives in Vt and around the country to broaden 9/11 awareness and surreptitiously expose the perps in proposed congressional hearings in 2007. Fredrick W. Harvey Pilot Silver Star Bronze Star Three Purple Hearts Two Tours in Vietnam John W. Travis, MD, MPH Preventive Medicine, (Johns Hopkins) Founder, first wellness center in US Retired Pilot Lisa Long Private Pilot, Single Engine Land 1978 http://AngelsForTruth.com Art Carran Commercial Certificate Instrument Rating 350 Hours TT Piper, Beech, and Cessna single-engine aircraft Professional Engineer, State of Ohio Aerospace Engineer Harold Saive Private Pilot Single Engine Land Captain Keith West (ret) Continental Airlines 20,000 + Total Flight Time Lear Jet, MD80, 737 Daniel G. Martinez Blackhawk and Turbine Engine Mech 18 year A&P L-3 Vertex, Iraq Pieter Lathuy Capt A330/A340 Emirates Airline Ex Belgian Air Force F-16 Adam Shaw Wingman CAPTENS.fr Aerobatic Airshow team Former UPI and Washington Post reporter Author SOUND OF IMPACT "The Legacy of TWA # 514", Viking Press , N.Y(1977) 4500 hrs TT. Aerobatic, Mountain, Seaplane Instructor-Pilot Gordon Price 36 Yrs Airline B744 A340, A330, A320, L1011,DC-8, DC-9, Vanguard, Viscount 6 Yrs RCAF - CF-104 F-86 Jacob Moncrief EMB-145 Captain ExpressJet Airlines 3000TT Naomi Watson Flight Attendant - Delta Airlines Based Atlanta James M. Craven Commerical, Instrument Ground Instructor (Advanced and Instrument) Professor of Economics Chairman Business Division Clark College in Vancouver, WA. R. Bruce Sinclair Leduc , Alberta , Canada 42 years Flying 19,000 hours. 10 years on the Boeing 737 Captain on the Airbus A300-B4 Trained/Instructor in aircraft performance at Boeing Beech King Air B200 on medevacs (air ambulance) Ron Larsen ASEL, Commercial, Instrument, 900 hrs TT PhD in Applied Physics and Materials Science, Cornell University, 1973. First licensed in 1968 and fairly active through 1992, flying Beechcraft, Mooney, Cessna and Piper A/C. 9/11 researcher for several years. Publisher/Editor of LibertyCalling.com (www.libertycalling.com) since 2002. Broadcaster since 1950. Host of the Liberty Calling Beacon live radio program Richard Rogers Army Guard Active duty Air Force in Nov 1982 with a honorable separation in Dec 1992. 70250 administration troop Retrained into F-16/A-10 integrated avionics systems Only troop to pass the 5 level upgrade testing (45155) Shaw AFB, SC or RAF Bentwaters, England Captain Donald D. Halpenny Retired Ozark , TWA , and AA J. Randall Reinhardt Commercial, Multi, Instrument, CFI, ATP, Commercial Glider, Advanced/ Instrument Ground Instructor, Turbojet Type Rating - Learjet Flying since 1961, 8,000+ hours in civil, military and Part 25 Transport category aircraft J.D. degree in 1972 , 30 years practicing trial law, with a concentration in aviation related litigation, including FAA Part 91, 135, 121 and 141 accidents and FAA/NTSB matters Forensic Director for U.S. Aviation Forensics with 30 years experience in aircraft accident investigation. Former FAA Accident Prevention Specialist Former member U.S. Unlimited Aerobatic Team with unrestricted aerobatic waiver. Ted Williams 4200TT Commercial, Instrument, Multi, Glider Corporate Pilot 121 FO Suburban Airlines F-27, SD3, PA-31T Richard Kleiner ATP, 6800 hrs BA-125, L-1329, B707, B717 RALPH C. (TED) BOHNE III COMMERCIAL PILOT, ASMEL, ASMES RHEL INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE 2000 HRS TT Marianne MAIRE-SHAW French, Commercial Pilot Aerobatic Flight Instructor 4900 Total Flight Time 7 Times Aerobatic French Champion 15 Years member of the French Aerobatic Team Leader of CAPTENS, a formation flight team of 2 Cap10 www.captens.fr Shannon Sheridan Private Pilot SEL (VFR) Cessna 172 Former Flight Attendant: Continental Airlines IAH, LAX American Airlines JFK, DFW Corporate Flight Attendant: Fidelity National Title, Lockheed Jetstar - SNA General airport bum Michael Masters Airline Transport Pilot Certificate (ATP) CFI MEI 5,000 hours total time 3,600 hours multi-engine 1,200 turbine King Airs (90, 100, and 200) Air Taxi/Commercial Operations FAR 135 Air Ambulance Terry E. Phillips 18,900 hours flight time, 41 years as a professional pilot ATPL, CE500, CE560, LrJet, NA265, DA10, B727, A320 Charles Dills Former USAAF WWII 27th Fighter Bomber Group 94 Combat Missions European Theater P-40, P-47, P-51A PhD Harvard http://www.charlies-web.com A. Erhard, Germany Senior First Officer Boeing 747-400 Aerobatic Pilot and Flight Instructor 5200 h TT Guido Fontana F.A.A. Commercial Instrument Rating Single & Multiengine Land Single Sea Glider 1000 Hrs Airplane 2000 Hrs C337 P68 P44 PA30 Glider aero tow Stinson L5, Robin Dr400, Cessna L19 Greg Madden Former Marine (non-pilot) Radio Technician Martin Co., Florida Dennis Cimino Electrical Engineer Commercial Pilot Rating, since 1981 Navy Combat Systems Specialist: RADAR, ECM, cryptographic communications Flight Data Recorder Engineer Smiths Aerospace BA-609, IDARS, Military and Commercial Millimeter wave RADAR and countermeasures expert since 1973 Two patents held for Doppler RADAR ( Kavouras ): long pulsewidth RADAR droop compensation network, and wave guide arc detection for high powered RADAR James Beardsley Airline Transport Pilot CFI-Instrument and Airplane SES Started a flight school in Crystal Lake Illinois circa 1974 Opened a couple of FBO’s one in Kenosha, WI Founded Alliance Airlines a Midwest commuter Director of a non-profit adoption agency Captain Scotty Zeches 8,000 TT Type ratings J3100, D328jet, A320 ATP, CFII, Advanced Ground Instructor Air Astana Airlines, IndiGo Airlines, Skybus Airlines, Independence Airlines, Atlantic Coast Airlines, and Florida Air Cargo US Army, Paratrooper - 82d Airborne Mik Eriksson Denmark 225 tt ppl pa28 pa22 pa18 c172 c177. Bellanca tailwheel 12tt ul Skyranger Captain Timothy Self 6500 Hrs total time ATP, CFI, CFII, Flight Engineer, A&P Mechanic 135 Capt Lear Jets 121 FE/FO Japan Airlines, Omni Air International Retired Air Force Simulator Instructor C141, DC-10, Lear Jet Captain Claude Sourzac 21000+ TT 15000 B737, BBJ rated F27, DC3, B744 Ed Parise Captain TWA, retired 747, 767, 707, 727, DC9, L 1011 USN F8, F9, F4, A4, P2, S2 TT 10,000+ Brent D.Greenwood 21,000+ hrs. (retired) Hawaii Air Academy, DHL, United. ATP: DC-3, 6, 7 L-188, B-737 B-757, 767, A&P Gerald P. New captain with Grant Aviation Bethel, AK. 2500 tt. ATP, CFII, MEI. Mostly operate PA-31-350'S. Bob Price Commercial/instrument American General Tiger Cessna 172 RG Captain Hadi Rizvi Flying 43 years Courses on Accident Investgation 22 Years with Pakistan Air Force as fighter -Total about 3500 Hrs, Types Flown: T-6G; T-37; T-33; F-86F/E, F-5; MirageIII/V; MIG-15; MIG-19, QFI 21 Years with PIA (Pakistan International Airlines) ~13000 Hrs Types Flown: F-27; Boeing 737; Boeing 747; Airbus 310 Joseph F. Hamilton, III BS: Aviation Technology/Avionics, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, Daytona Beach, FL. AS: Aviation Maintenance Technology, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, Daytona Beach, FL. FAA: Private Pilot: SEL FAA: Airframe and Power plant Mechanic / 25 years FAA: Inspection Authorization / 12 years FCC: General Radio-telephone operator IPC-A-610 Certified IPC Trainer IPC-JSTD-001 Certified IPC Trainer Christian Österdahl 2300 hrs TT F/O 737NG, A319/320 Easyjet Capt Fred Fox (ret) 33 years experience flying for American Airlines Commercial aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 727, 747, 767, McDonnell Douglas DC-10, MD-80, and MD-11, Douglas DC-6, and General Dynamics/Convair 990 Coronado Former U.S. Navy pilot. Aircraft flown: Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, 8 years experience Edward A. Meyer FAA Air Traffic Control Specialist La Guardia Air Traffic Control FAA Certified Airline Transport Pilot Certified Flight Engineer/Turbojet Certified Flight Instructor 3,000+ total hours flown Robin Cooper 1500+ hours Helicopter Commercial Pilot Rotorcraft (Helicopter), CFI Rotorcraft (Helicopter), 100 hours Fixed Wing with private pilot add-on Instrument fixed wing High performance/complex sign off fixed wing 6 years working in the aviation business Captain Garry Bonnett ENGLAND Captain Airbus A320 series working for a British Airline for the past 20 years. 11500 total hrs Over 8000 in command on commercial jets Approximately 3000 hrs B737 5000hrs Airbus DC9 as a co pilot. CAA Licensed Engineer Qualified to certify All piston engine aircraft on the UK Register and Also the DC9 Holds an FAA Commercial David DeSantis -1,200 hours and building! -Commercial Certificate -ATP Written -Single Engine, Multi Engine, Instrument Instructor -Types Flown: SGS 2-33 Glider, C-150, C-152, C-170, C-172, C-182, J-3, PA-28, PA-44, PA-46, Pitts S2B, Cirrus SR-20, Cirrus SR-22, CE-500 Citation, CRJ training. Darin M. Bowers Aircraft Mechanic 16+ years Served 4 years at Nellis AFB, LV 561st Fighter Wild Weasel Squadron between 1993-1996 as a Crew Chief Deployed to Turkey and Saudi in Operations Provide Comfort and Southern Watch Retired the F-4G Phantoms in 96, some to the bone yard and Phase inspector on the A-10 and F-15E Srike Separated with an honorable Line mechanic on the DC-8, DC-9, B727, B757, B767, A300 and MD-11 for the past 12 years Ralph W. Omholt Commercial airline pilot Boeing 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and McDonnell Douglas DC-10 Captain Dan Hanley Total flight time: 20,000 hours Last Seat Position: B-777 Captain Airline: United Airlines Military Service: Naval Aviator P-3C Orion Website: http://www.airline-whistleblowers.org Blog: http://www.airline-whistleblower.com/ Statement - "Thanks for the honor of joining the elite ranks of Pilots for 9/11 Truth!" Max Guiley ATP, MBA Total Flight Time: 5,200 Former Aviation Underwriter for U.S.A.I.G. Former Jet Naval Aviator F.A.A. Airline Transport Certificate, M.B.A. in International Business Chris Rockhold Total Flight Time: 6000 ERAU Empire Airlines C206, C207, C208, C402, C404 ATP, CFI Glenn Hoeft Total Flight Time: 18,800 NWA(Delta), Eastern A/L, Lockheed Martin U.S. Navy, USNR B-747(400), B-757(200 & 300), B727(100 & 200), LR-24,25 & 35, L-188, P-3models, B-200 Jeff Donovan Ex ATC in USMC Comments: I was an Air Traffic Controller in the Marines for 6 years and never believed any of the government's stories of 9/11 Richard (Rick) DaCosta Total Flight Time: 15,000 UAL USN Reserve Lockeed Electra co-pilot,B727,engineer co-pilot, B747 co-pilot, Comment: I've been a disbeliever of the 9/11 official government story since 2002 after studying the facts. We must continue striving to protect and keep our Constitution intact from all of the subsequent attacks after 9/11. We know who they(the elite)are now and we know what they are planning. Heads up! Cover our sixes! Chris Draus Flight Attendant Horizon Air (Alaska Air Group) Q200, Q400, CRJ 700 Mac Rogers 25.000+ Delta Air Lines, USAF Delta: Capt. on 727, 737, 757, 767, MD-11 F/O on DC-9, 727, L-1011 S/O on DC-8, 727, L-1011 USAF: T-37 IP (Active Duty) U-3, C-7, A-37 (USAFR) T-41, T-37, T-38 (Trained on) Civil (Low time): Cessna 150, 172, 310 Beachcraft Bonanza Jacob Suijk Total Flight Time: 500+ Dutch civil ATC Comment: Now more then 7 years hoping for change; it's time to join. Jason Jackson Total Flight Time: 1550 Commercial Pilot Airplane Single and Multi Engine Land, Instrument Airplane. Certified Flight Instructor Airplane Single and Multi Engine Land, Instrument Airplane Dale Netley Airframe and Engine Technician Coastal Pacific Airlines, Air B.C, Air Canada Jazz Two years served in the Candian Armed Forces Comment: At eighteen years of age I was trained in the Canadian Armed Forces as a Vehicle Tech. I served my country proudly, with First Service Battalion. Throughout my working life I have been employed continuously in fields of expertice directly related to mechanical repair; both land based equipment and aeronautical. I have been employed as an Aircraft Maintenance Technician for the past twenty two years. Richard Chargin Total Flight Time: 110 hours SJSU, Atari Games, RJA Robert Rowe T-43 and various light aircraft Doug Johnson Total Flight Time: 18,000 American Airlines US Army Comments: Took early retirement after 24 years of airline service. CA:B-737, FK-100, FO:B-727,DC-10. Air Cavalry-AH-1G/S,UH-1,OH-58, did DOD flying experimentation. CAP:T-34, L-4. Numerous types of light single and multi-engine civilian airplanes since high school. Duane Cole Aerobatic Course Grad. Civilian flight and instrument instructor. Airline academics and simulator instructor, check airman. Paul Welton Aerospace Manufacturing Engineer Companies Worked: Boeing 1981 to 1985 USAF Comments: I was a autopilot and instrument mechanic while in the USAF. I worked on the following aircraft; A-10, C-130, and F4's while in the military. After the military I went to college and got my AA in Electronics. I worked for Boeing from 1989 until 1996 both as a flight line electrician in 747 Delivery and as an manufacturing engineer. I have since started my own contract manufacturing engineering firm and have operated it for over 10 years. I've basically worked in on or around airplanes for almost 30 years. Marc Wilnauer Total Flight Time: 1650 A320, A340 Donald Berk Pilot 1,500 hrs USAF Commercial, CFI, SEL, SES, Glider, 35 types BA, MA Nothing is more cynical and disdainful of human dignity, the Constitution and the memory of patriotic sacrifice than a false flag operation. The truth of 9/11 must be dug out and publicly displayed. Tamara Pearce Flight Attendant Pan American, United I am committed to those being held responsible who carried-out these atrocities against our Nation Mike Banks Aerospace Design Engineer Airbus, GKN Aerospace. Smiths Ind, Eurocopter UK, BN Aviation 23 Years design experience within the aerospace industry Keenan Evams Mechanic Civil Aviation Academy Ltd I want the truth! John Delisle Pilot 100+ hours RCAC 1985-1994 Glider pilot, Royal Canadian Air Cadets Perdrisat Michel Pilot Capt. (ret) Total Flight Time: 15000 MA (History) Former fighter pilot (Mirage III) 27 years commercial pilot DC-9 / MD-80 / DC-10 / A-320 series / MD-11 Flight instructor Former fighter pilot Swiss Air Force (Mirage III) Jesse Ramp Agent United Airlines / Westfield State College Still hoping the truth can get out there. Rick Foote Pilot Total Flight Time: 17,000 Corporate Pilot, 121Freight, Commuter, Air Ambulance US Army ATP Types in DC-3, Lear Jets 24,25,35, Lockheed Electra L188, Jet Star L1329 6,8,731,II Falcon 10,20,200,2000,50,900 Gulfstream IV A&P Mechanic Director of Maintiance,135 Check Pilot, Chief Pilot, Director of Operations Flight Safety, Simuflight Trained Richard Wilkinson Pilot Plane Builder AA Fire Control Chief 707 down to Piper cub. Built or built or re built more planes than I can remember, Two are in the Air and Space museum, Leo Loudenslager and Duane Cole and took care of Charlie Hillard's, I know what a plane and person can and can not do. I shot my T V Sept 20 2001, if need to hear lies I choose a cute girl. Tim Erney Mechanic Beech Aerospace Services, Inc. ; Vincennes University A.S. Combat Engineer-demo Army Reserve 1983 - 1989 Thank you for your outstanding work exposing the truth of 9/11. I have a unique perspective being an A&P, knowing how to fly, and being experienced with demolitions in the Army Reserves. I have always known the "official" narrative of events on 9/11 is a lie. Ron Haugenh Former Mechanic Kollsman Instrument Corp; US Army Aviation US Army [Aviation] AH-1G Attack Helicopter [Cobra] Crew Chief/Troubleshooter plus some stick time. Some stick time on 2 seater Trainer [rotary wing]. Vertical Velocity Indicator [early Kollsman "KIFIS" system] technician, calibrator, consultant. Ken Chevis Pilot 413 hours Royal Canadian Air Force 1950-1954 Harvard - Pilot Trainee T33 - Pilot Trainee P51D - Pilot Trainee CF100 - Pilot Officer Timothy Wrinkle Pilot Total Flight Time: 500 Cessna 150 - 172 - U-206 Maule/Floats MX-7 Piper PA-18 / PA-28 / PA-34 / PA-31 J. Sagara Pilot Total Flight Time: 2600 CFI O. W. Hungerford Jr. Texas A@M US Army 5.5 years L-19 school San Marcus Texas Korean War. Forward Observer 155 Howitzer Tim Jones Mechanic USCG HU-25 Dropmaster, Radar Operator MOD Pilot Total Flight Time: 10000 British Airways Military Service: 15yrs Harrier Jump Jet Edward Rutland Pilot Total Flight Time: 1000 Auburn Univ, Univ South Florida Alabama Air National Guard Single engine land airman's certificate. Flown sail planes, twin engines David T. Helms Pilot Total Flight Time: 5000+ Air Transport Training Internetional (Lufthansa), Flight Safety International CFI/I, MEI, ASMELS, Commercial, Instrument James Spradling Pilot Total Flight Time: 550 USAF 1971-1999 F-4C (backseat); Pipers, Cessnas, Grummans Dave Pilot/Mechanic Total Flight Time: 1000+ Old war planes TBM T28 T26 lost of small stuff Andre-J. HOLBECQ Pilot Total Flight Time: 18000 Air France Gliders, Mystere 20, Caravelle, Boeing 707, Boeing 747, Concorde (from 1987 to 1993) Tom Swanson USN Aircrewman Total Flight Time: 400 Hours Electronic Warfare Operator in EA-3B and EC-121M Ronald Whitcomb Vietnam Combat Veteran 68-69 I am interested because I do not believe the "official account" of this incident. Neil Evangelista Pilot Total Flight Time: 600 California State Univ, Northridge Air Force Commercial, SMEL, Instrument Rated Joe St.Clair Pilot Total Flight Time: 24000 WestAir and SkyWest Army Aviation Captain on BA-3100 and EMB-120 Anthony Sallie Avionics Tech Msgt USAFR(ret) GAC on C141 and KC-10 Jerry Mayville Private pilot, Airplane owner Jared Sebesta Pilot Total Flight Time: 100+ C150, Piper Archer II, C172 Michael Joseph Kearns Pilot Total Flight Time: 7000+ Part 135 Charter Companies PIC Lear Jet, HS-125, AC-1121, helicopter, seaplane Michael Cangemi Pilot Total Flight Time: 200TT Private Pilot, Artist Cessna 152, 172, 172RG, Piper Arrow Peter Muller Pilot Total Flight Time: 360 Personal AC only Thomas W. Mcguire Jr Pilot Total Flight Time: 4000 hours 1951-1978 Command Pilot largely single seat fighters: F-80, F-84G, F-84F, F-100, F-101, F-105, F-4,and T-39. Flew 100 missions over N. Vietnam in F-4 leading 31 missions over Hanoi area known as Route Pack Six. Retired as Full Colonel in 1978. David Strader Electronic Engineer Rob Miller Total Flight Time: 10,000 Military Service: USMC A-4, C-130. Beach 1900, Beach 300, many Cessnas... CFII for longer than I care to remember How did a bunch of begining student pilots manage to fly a rather new sophiciated aircraft from the point of Hi-jack to a pre-determined point with as little training as it is reported that they had??? ...from my experience begining students are not even capable of finding the airport they just took off from (usually 10-15 nm from the traing area) not to mention flying several hundred of miles to a pre-determind point... Ray Fougnier Pilot Cessna 150, 172 Piper PA28, PA32 Private pilot, single engine, VFR Mark E Thorley Flight Simulator Technician American Airlines, Boeing US Air Force B52, KC135, B1, A300, 727, 737, 757, 767, 777, F100, Saab 340, ATR42, ERJ, 707, MD80 Paul Maxwell Vintage aircraft restoration. Helicoptor support crew. Part 91 and 135 managment. Airshow ramp crew. Gen. aviation knowlage. I have helped work on mostly warbirds and helicopters (everything from P-51 to B-29, Bell206, Hughes 500, ect.) along with some GA stuff ( cessna, beech, ect. All airworthy.) As a result, I am lucky to have many hours of stick time in many types, including single and multi engine, tailwheel and helicopter. Also about 3 hours of full motion sim time on DC-9 and L-1011. Peter Saling Student Total Flight Time: 50+ Florida Institute Of Technology, Melbourne, FL Piper, Hughes 300 Jason Pilot Total Flight Time: 40 Student for Personal License Cherokee PA28 Robert (Bob) Bass Pilot Env. Engineer Total Flight Time: 300+ U of F, Professional Geologist ASEL, Aerobatic trained Doug Knights Pilot Total Flight Time: 8000 hrs EasyJet, Astraeus Airlines B737 - Captain, Embraer 145 - Captain Robert Taylor Pilot Total Flight Time: 320 Canstar Aviation R22 Lionel A Smith Aircraft Artificer Engines and Airframes RN and Fleet Air Arm from July 1963 to July 1982 Five years of apprenticeship covering- fitting, welding, turning, brazing, sheet-metal work in light alloys, steels, titanium, workshop technologies and engineering drawing, non-destructive testing, thorough study of airframe and aero-engine mechanisms, structures and systems, aircraft finishes. Study to A level standard in Mathematics, Aeronautical Engineering Science, Applied Mechanics (Aircraft), Engineering Drawing (advanced level). Service experience: Sea Vixens FAW 1 and 2 - 766 Squadron and 893 Squadron including HMS Victorious. Hunter GA11, PR10/11, T8 and also Meteor T7 and NF11, Vampire T22, Sea Prince, Swordfish, Tiger Moth. Phantom F4K 892 Squadron and Ark Royal. Trials installation unit (9 years) including designing manufacturing fitting (using most skills learned under training) and documentation of role change modifications to Canberra T22, Hunters T8 and GA11 - PR10/11, Sea King, Sea Devon, Sea Heron, Wasp, Wessex, Lynx. Post RN - 4 year degree course BEd (Hons 2:1) in Maths and Science covering many aspects including calculus (again), Stats, functions and graphs, sets and modular arithmetic, computer architecture and BASIC programming (taken to machine code and assembler on own volition in spare time - skills learned used during a contract programming period 89-90, weather and climate, chemistry (varied aspects including crystallography) and quantum mechanics, other earth sciences, magnetism. Eric Traffie Pilot Total Flight Time: 490 hours Currently fly a Christen Eagle, have flown 150, 172, 182, DA40, PA16, Decathalon, J3. Richard Connelly Aircraft Dispatcher American Eagle Airlines I've worked as an Aircraft Dispatcher for over 23 years. I worked on the day 9/11 happened, while dispatching my flights in the northeast. When 9/11 happened I was angry at the hijackers, but now that I have examined the evidence and it clearly points towards someone, most likely at the highest levels of our government, I want a new and HONEST investigation opened to answer questions. And lastly, those found responsible must be punished. There must be justice for the victims. Brett Hoffstadt Aerospace Engineer Purdue University, Penn State University Ken Hamilton Pilot Total Flight Time: 5000+ Commercial Aviator A300, DC8's, Turboprops Sean Holt Pilot OBA, SCA, AFT, F/O Naveed Riaz Pilot Total Flight Time: 3300 Pakistan Air Force, Air Blue Pakistan Air Force 17 years MFI-17(prop), T-37, FT-5(Mig-15), Instructor Pilot Combat Commanders School Instructor Pilot F-16 A/B & F-7(Mig-21), FO A319/320/321 (1300 hours) Have always believed its impossible for rookie prop pilots to learn to fly a modern air liner on Flt simulator and then navigate to crash on twin towers with accuracy. Bernarr C Schaeffer Pilot Total Flight Time: 2000 hours P-47 36 missions Europe P-47 Fighter Group 367/394 Europe Your cause is great, don't stop. John Cusick Pilot Total Flight Time: 20,300 Capital & United US Army B737-F/O,Capt B737/300-Capt B727-S/O,F/O DC8- S/O DC10-F/O B757/767-Capt William A. (Bill) Pitsker Pilot Total Flight Time: ~35000 World Airways; Pan Am USAF Aircraft Commander, C-124; FO L-1049/1649; Nav/FEO/FO, B-707/727/747; A-300/310. Type rated, Ce500, A-310 Beth Gray Factory TWA, UNITED John Police Officer Army National Guard Aviation 17 years Huey, Loach, Black Hawk, Crew Chief Howard Kreiss Pilot Total Flight Time: 20000 Pan Am, Iran Airlines, Ariana Afgan Airlines, Korean Airlines, Saudi Arabian Airlines, Air Malta Military Service, US Army B707, B747, B737 Tyler Hofstetter Mechanic CWH Cessna 172 Christian Lidén Ramp, startleader Hello, worked at landvetter airport in sweden V A Weiss Pilot Total Flight Time: 14000 American, Midway, Air Wisconsin Captain, FO FK-100 DC-9, BAe-146 Lt Col David Gapp Qualified Accident Investigator, Accident Board President from USAF Safety School Total Flight Time: 3000 US Air Force, Continental Airlines Military Service: 31 years T-37, T-38, F-4, ATR-42 (one year w/ Continental Express), then went back into the Air Force Bruce C. Jenkins Aeronautical Engineer Total Flight Time: 2000 hrs Lockheed (LMSC), AerospaceCorp United States Navy PBM and P2V Aircraft/ Korean War Douglas M. Scherer Mechanic Total Flight Time: 1500 American Airlines Army Aviator, Vietnam Vet Cessna T-41, O1G Birddog, T210, 206, 207 Beech Baron 58, Twin Bonanza, D18 Piper Cherokee 6, Cherokee 180, Aztec DeHaviland Beaver "Mel" 12 year Dispatcher Hassan Abbas Khawaja University of Cambridge, UK Bachelor in Aerospace Engineering, MPhil in Engineering (Fluid Mechanics) PhD in Engineering (Fluid Mechanics) Experience of flying and gliding Peter Raymond Home~Build Auto~Gyro Gyro~Plane w/ Kawaski 4~Cyl 4~$troke Total Flight Time: 37.75 Lije Baley Chemist/mathematician State University of NY "I think 9/11 was covered up, and should be reinvestigated. This guy, Detrich Snell convicts Abdul Hakim Murad, who says he will cooperate, and tells of a plot to hijack a plane and fly it into the CIA headquarters. Same guy tells Philippine investigators that is part of a larger plot to crash a number airplanes into Prominent US buildings including WTC & the Pentagon. This is in 1995. Snell goes onto to become senior counsel and a team leader for the 9/11 commission. Why was this guy on the 9/11 commission?" Jonathan Parkhill Mechanic Bombardier aerospace "I am time served aircraft fitter and have built wings, fuselage and engine nacelles. Damage to the pentagon does not make any sense. Have read people trying to dismiss wings as light honeycomb structures hence lack of damage to the building. I KNOW THIS TO BE UNTRUE." Gordon Gilhooly Mechanic Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources, Great Lakes Airlines, Air Canada Weapons Tech Air, Canadian Forces Worked on aircraft for almost 37 years. Mike Buchanan Aviation Reporter WUSA-TV Washington,D.C. Aviation reporter doing research on 9/11 Abdul Kareem Flight Attendant United Arab Emirates Airlines Embraers Michael Sheehan Mechanic Electronic Countermeasures, Avionics Technician U.S.M.C. 1983-1989 Worked on Electronic Countermeasures system on board EA6B Aircraft. Trained in Aviation Fundamentals, Avionics, Electronic Countermeasures, Flight Deck Fire Fighting. Christopher Stavrou Private Pilot Total Flight Time: 50 Florida Tech Piper Warrior PA28-161 Bob Scaggs Mechanic Lockheed US Army Blackhawk, Mohawk, Chinook, 58c-d, Apache Ron Marshall Pilot Total Flight Time: 425.0 hrs Private, VFR, Pilot in command James Sorrentino "... employed by the Airline Industry, I am a long time aircraft enthusiast, and have flown extensively on private and commercial aircraft. Since that fateful day of 9/11, I have been a strong advocate of finding the truth about what actually happened, and will not accept the lies and contradictions. I commend your organization, and, very much support your work here. I respectfully request to become a member of your organization, and, would like to assist in any way possible." Mark Long Mechanic Total Flight Time: 26 Boeing, Textron/AAI USAF "I currently have about 26 hours in a 172. I'm an A+P Mechanic and have worked on C-130, C-17, B787, F-22, and currently on UAVs." Michael Salyers Pilot Total Flight Time: 20000 US Airways, Henson Airlines, Embry Riddle Aeronautical University DHC-8,SD-3,B-737 Captain On each. Currently Captain and Check Airman on B-737. Have spent hundreds of hours researching the events of 911 and do not believe the published account of the 911 comission. Wayne Anderson Avionics Tech Braniff, Contractor Eyewitness Experts Aldo Marquis Craig Ranke Domenick DiMaggio ThePentaCon - Citizen Investigation Team PR Contacts Rob Balsamo Co-Founder pilots@pilotsfor911truth.org Researchers "UnderTow" 15 year Technology Expert US Researcher Source: NTSB FOIA .csv file & .fdr file Calum Douglas UK Researcher Source: NTSB FOIA Animation David Ray Griffin Emeritus Professor of Philosophy of Religion & Theology Claremont School of Theology & Claremont Graduate University Author or editor of some 30 books "The New Pearl Harbor" "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions" "Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11" "The American Empire and the Commonwealth of God" "9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out" "Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory" "9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press." "The New Pearl Harbor - Revisted" Leslie Landry Researcher Forum Moderator |
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About 40?
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I do love
'We only cover facts as our mission statement explains on the home page.' Phew! That's just brilliant. |
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Yes Sparky,and an impressive list you must admit.
Just think how convinced of their case these people must be to have the courage to speak out. It must have been difficult for the ex-military men,with those medals,to come forward like they've done. I think it gives us all some hope that such people exist. |
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No, not at all.
If such a small number of the world's pilots (on second glance more like 150, and I've not checked if they actually are pilots and if the identities are genuine - I did enjoy 'Captain Sherlock?') take the view you're ascribing to them, it's almost certainly wrong. |
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lmao, done a little digging
Since that time, John (Lear) has learned many incredible and interesting facts about the solar system and planets including the existence of huge structures, arches, bridges and domes on the moon, cities on Mars, huge extraterrestrial ships mining the rings of Saturn, the incredible but secret agenda of Apollo 17, to the huge rectangular opening in the south massif of the Taurus-Littrow Highlands called Nansen. Ah those Martian cities |
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It makes you wonder what nutters did before pre internet
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I'll try again
It makes you wonder what nutters did pre internet |
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I note also, that the website says they do not offer theory or point blame.
To be fair, the one's I looked up after Lear didn't sound as potty. |
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No,not all?
Is that no,it's not an impressive list? Or no,they aren't really convinced of their case? Or maybe no,they don't have courage? What about no,it wasn't difficult? Is it just no to everything? So,you just dismiss what these respected people say,even though you haven't read anything that they have said?....and I just know that you wouldn't have read any of it. |
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No,not all?
Is that no,it's not an impressive list? Yes, it's an incredibly small number of people. Or no,they aren't really convinced of their case? The website says they do not offer theory or point blame. I wouldn't go so far as to say they are making a case. Or maybe no,they don't have courage? They may, or may not, I wouldn't know. What about no,it wasn't difficult? What? Is it just no to everything? No :-) So,you just dismiss what these respected people say,even though you haven't read anything that they have said?....and I just know that you wouldn't have read any of it. |
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"I am time served aircraft fitter and have built wings, fuselage and engine nacelles. Damage to the pentagon does not make any sense.
Have read people trying to dismiss wings as light honeycomb structures hence lack of damage to the building. I KNOW THIS TO BE UNTRUE." According to this person, the wings of an airliner would have been substantial enough to cause visible damage to the Pentagon, the absence of which, in his expert opinion, suggests the building wasn’t hit by a jet. This shoots down the ‘no planes hit the WTC’ theory on the basis that the wings couldn’t make those ‘cartoon’ holes. Good to have an expert of unimpeachable credentials confirm it for those that insist it wasn’t possible. |
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Ah...so you agree that the Pentagon wasn't hit by a plane.
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Right here we go then the day of the attacks i was 12 or 11 cant be bothered to work out and had just got in to see the news statiosn panicking like mad over a terroist act. Right im very open about this also as i have never even thought of a conspiracy as i just accepted it and to be honest America has nothing to do with my life so fu** them tbh.
If some people can answer a few questions, preferbly the conspiracy people, i havnt bothered to read all the thread as id be here for hours but ive been looking on youtube 1. Why would America attack itself? Surely that is stupid? 2. The first hit as captured here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-jzNfxKSio&feature=related That to me doesnt even look like a plane, so what do people think this is? 3. The second plane that hit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_80YfdwJAVk&feature=related is that really a normal jumbo jet? 4. Why was there bombs and explosives going off in the towers? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&NR=1 THat video right a the beginning a massive explosion and why were the firemen saying there was bombs in there? 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVH5jm06pJY&feature=related Why was eye witnesses saying it wasnt a normal plane? But it was a millatary plane? 6. Wouldnt a plane going that fast actually go straight through a building? And come out the other side? Right to that pentagon issue i thought genuinely that i got told they tried to get it but missed and landed in the sea or something? so 1. Ive seen that video, its to hard to find out if its a plane or not 2. If theres witnesses saying its a plane then surely has to be? 2. Where did the plane disappear to? I havnt seen one picture of a plane there? Just a few questions ill await answers, im open to both now |
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I guess it depends what you want to believe, if you need convincing it was a conspiracy the nutters on here will help you.
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This'll get it to 1000
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There you have it MM.
The first two replies you get,neither of whom even tries to answer any of your questions. |
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First FOUR replies!
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MM.I'll try.
1. False flag operation.One of the oldest tricks in the book.Been going on for hundreds of years.Pretend you're being attacked and then tell everyone that you'll protect them,but It'll cost you.Gangsters do it all the time. 2. Haven't seen it.If it's the twin towers one,yes it looks like a plane to me. 3. Don't know. 4. The firemen obviously thought there were explosives going off. 5. Must have thought it looked like a military plane 6. I don't know. 1. There doesn't seem to be any plane,I agree. 2. There are witnesses and witnesses.You can get people to say they've seen anything if you try hard enough. 3. There was no plane that hit the Pentagon.That's why you can't see it. |
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Bloody this site right then
Video for question 2 http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=qNw0jOhVJ3A Video for question 3 +5 in the same one http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=ZzbVn3o8JNE Video for question 4 http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw |
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If Gene's playing I suppose I should too.
1. Why would America attack itself? Surely that is stupid? Well I think contention is that the Bush administration did so as to have an excuse for war. There are a few examples of previous false flag operations, carried out or just considered. They have one thing in common, the 'attacks' were either seen to be defeated, or resulted in extremeley little damage. This is for two reasons - murdering thousands of your countryfolk would be seen as something of a blot on one's copybook, and such is the arrogance of US foreign policy, it doesn't NEED much of an excuse to go to war (see Iraq). So yes, it would have been an incredibly stupid, and malicious thing to do. 2. Hard to say without having pre-judged, but I'd say that while the details are hard to make out (easier if you freeze frame) it looks more like what I'd imagine a plane hitting a building would look like than say a missile. 3. The enormity of the WTC would make 'normal' sized planes look small. I don't know any more than that, but if it was a military plane it would have been obvious to hundreds of thousands of people who've seen the footage or otherwise taken time to study the matter. 4. I don't think there are bombs going off. Explosions yes. 5. Presumably because he thought it looked like a military plane. 6. Footage does indeed show debris emerging and flames emerging from the other side. 1. Ive seen that video, its to hard to find out if its a plane or not - yes it is 2. If theres witnesses saying its a plane then surely has to be? - people can lie but why would they? There is a conspicuous lack though of people saying there wasn't a plane or that there was something else. 2. Where did the plane disappear to? I havnt seen one picture of a plane there? - it was largely destroyed in the impact, although photos of parts of the wreckage are easy to come by. |
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Sparky
Imagine if someone had shown you that footage - the security camera one at the Pentagon -and you had no prior knowledge of anything to do with 9/11. You'd been in a coma for 10 years and was shown that footage. Would you see a plane? Of course you wouldn't. |
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Oh right.
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Thanks you two for your answers, so were all agreed it was a plane
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A segment of Robin Cooks article in the Guardian Feb 8th 2005
Osama bin Laden is no more a true representative of Islam than General Mladic, who commanded the Serbian forces, could be held up as an example of Christianity. After all, it is written in the Qur'an that we were made into different peoples not that we might despise each other, but that we might understand each other. Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west. |
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Bin Laden was an agent, working for the CIA during Afganistans war against Russia.
In fact the term `Al- Qaida` was created by the CIA. |
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That article is excellent, although I think you overstate the extent that Bin Laden was working for the CIA, it was rather the other way round.
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How's this for timing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgneseWjgqk Nice work & soundtrack! |
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You made that didnt you clockwork
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We will have to differ on that one Sparky.
I wonder wonder which agents were on the `data base` on 9/11. Israeli/Saudi ? |
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wow only 80 odd to go.....[:(]
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that movie clockwork has some good issues, i mentioned the second plane dsidnt seem right and it seemed to vanish in, bah that video is hoaxed and edited
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And I got the 911 post...interesting...
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If anyone hasn't seen Clocky's video I can thoroughly recommend it! It's got EVERYTHING! I'm only a minute in and I've already seen that poorly photoshopped effort of the bloke being photographed on top of the towers while a plane approaches,and a mystifying Toes speech mark on "our" freedom!
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great stuff sparky u da man
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Why did Bush say in an interview that he saw the first plane crash into the tower on tv when no footage was shown until the next day? We all know that he was reading at a primary school
 at the time, but wouldnt have been to see the first crash..It must be hard remembering all those lies. |