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I agree hackers everywhere u look, you just might aswell leave ur door open and wait for em!
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Gallivanter 29 Jan 00:36
In that case Darren (bet your mates call you Daz or Persil) No chance. Lamby, Lambswool or The Dazzler imo. |
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Yes but if my ip addy was used in this case then fair enough but its seem to be it wasnt, it was two other ip addresses used from else where, spose i will know more when i speak to fraud tomorrow ...till then keep em peeled
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Skindog, the best I can suggest is that you let nobody on the computer that accesses Betfair unless you run a virtual machine for your Betfair account and shut the VM before you let anyone at your keyboard. As well as that, there is no such thing as secure wi-fi, only fairly secure wi-fi. If you have a wi-fi router it can be seen on any modern mobile running the right app. If you don't want cables rou nd the house use homeplugs but never a wi-fi router.
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hmm. is your password easy to guess?
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and my ip address changes by itself all the time, i think every time i reboot, you sure yours doesnt do that and someone else in your house could have mucked about with your account?
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Brother - The Dazzler will do nicely.
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You don't need to guess his password, get it via his wi-fi and pass it on to the sscum on the script kiddy sites. Somebody has, unless his nephew's to blame. Was the Betfair page open when he were on?
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Never heard of home plugs whats that then? i did the cable thing and my nephew tripped over my cable and went head first down the stairs, hense me going wifi ...tried to secure it several times but the little bugger doesnt seem to want to know ...
thats the router not my nephew! i lets family use the pc but they all have seperate accounts and limited activity meaning they cant download a thing without asking me, sadly though i left my pc this afternoon for two minutes and found my nephew at it downloading P2P and some damn smiley thing for my desktop, and i am not sure if thats how they got in as it happened soon after |
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but how would the person hacking know which bit of what you are typing is your betfair password? sorry im not an expert im just asking. i mean i type in thousands of things a day, can they tell which site you are on at the same time as what you are typing?
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No i was on the pc when the money vanished, i had just gotten a settled bet back 14.55 and then went to place a bet at kempton when the money shot down to 8 quid and then vanished completely, at first i thought it a bug or glitch at the site so i rebooted came back and account was still empty, then i looked in my security and noticed the false logins, i use wifi and a pc upstairs too but my ip addy doesnt appear to change which ever pc i use ...so there u go i was hacked as my account statment tells me i have sent the money into betfair casino, which i clearly didnt, i have never even used the casino ever
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Homeplugs are simple. You plug one into your (non wi-fi) router and the other end into your mains socket nearby. Then you get another homeplug and plug that into your computer and the other end into your nearest mains socket (could be upstairs or even in the garage). Then your computer goes online via the mains wiring. You can have as many computers as you like all online via the same router. Nobody on the other side of your electric meter can hack in.
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how would the person hacking know which bit of what you are typing is your betfair password?
They use a keylogger script. If the compare their own with yours, they can see the bit cycle of your password. |
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skindog...Betfair must have multi-millions held in accounts on their system ..
They are not daft , that money will be earning them interest , your statement above IF true is frightening for ALL who have cash in BF accounts ... if NOT true , you will have caused many to reduce their total bank holding ...that will have cost BF money in lost interest .....and that will have put YOU in a precarious positiion I should think ... either way ..your statement IS a very worrying situation ... |
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Sound great i need to look into this! amazing what you learn reading these forums ....
a wifi less router u say hmmm |
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umm not sure i get it. can they know what site im on when i type my passwords? i mean i never actually type betfair.com before my password cos everythings on my screen as icons. to open betfair i just click the betfair icon etc.
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Trust me i've been here 6 years now and i am as miffed as anyone, i swear on my life, i am even open to being investigated about this by any police or fraud squad in the land, worrying you say, to right i have had thousands go through myaccount at any one time and if this is how easily the money can disappear i think people should know about it!...
i was even told by a betfair representative that i would likely not get this money back and it was totally down to me to secure my own pc from hackers no less ....he did add that i need to speak to fraud on getting the money back, so i wont hold it against the poor lad i spoke to over the phone who said i wont be seeing a penny of this money again....as this migt not be true as yet till i have it confirmed by fraud tomorrow |
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Skindog, these aren't bad for the price. http://www.ebuyer.com/product/160665 Remember, you need one for the router and one for each computer that's logged on at same time. But if it's only you and you use two computers at different times you can just carry the plug from computer to computer.
Cunny, download an app called Fiddler and it will show you what can be seen. |
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my betfair was in the drop down address bar on IE i didnt type betfair either, infact i was actually logged into betfair myself when it happened, i was at the pc clicking refresh when the money vanished infront of my eyes ....
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Skindog, they were already in before the money vanished. Betfair are playing the game, imo. If fault at their end, they suffer. If fault at your end, you suffer. Either way, the script kiddies get away laughing. Have you checked your backdoor?
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How do you mean checked my backdoor? ....the other info your giving me is good i must admit i am defo looking into these home plugs ...
they got in at 18.11 and by 18.12 the money had been transfered to betfair casino ....i could have had hundreds or even thousands in my account as i sometimes do have ....i was maybe lucky i only had £14.55 at the time, at one people during the day i had £40 but took out 20 withdrawing to my paypal account to cover some online shopping |
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The worrying part is i trust this place like a secure bank, i have often left hundreds in my account for days on end as i am sure millions of betfair users do ...but you dont expect to have ur account hacked nd then wiped ..
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I trust Betfair fully or I wouldn't be here. Betfair are worth millions, they won't risk it for a few grand. I don't trust my neighbours but.
Your backdoor is your kitchen door, leastways it is in my house. Is it locked? You might have neighbours like mine. |
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Its locked alright dead locks the lot and i am rarely far from my pc!
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I trusted betfair too but after today i am not so sure, i have defo been hacked, i can vouch for everyone here i dont even have betfair casino downloaded on my pc and they can check my hardrive if they aint sure ....but thats where the money appeared to be sent ...i have thought about downloading it now ad typing in my details and seeing if the money is there what you reckon?
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Let us know how it all turns out. No offence but I hope the fault were your end. If it was, you can**it and it's cost you next to nothing. You could have lost a packet there. If it were Betfair's end then we've all got problems.
For your own peace of mind, run a fire wall, get rid of wi-fi and put Betfair on a virtual machine which you shut before you even go to the bog. |
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DON'T GO NEAR THE CASINO!
Give Betfair a chance to find the buggers. Leave it until then. Best of luck. |
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ok ty and i will keep you posted on this look out for the thread ....i will ask you about virtual machines another time as it means nothing to me ...
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No probs, good luck and I'm sorry about your money but look on the bright side ---- It could have been MY money! ;-) See you around.
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LOL ...i cant figure it out as it appears to have been one transfer, but while clicking refresh and watching it go down it really did look like computer error as it went from 14.55 to around 8 quid then 0.05 in a split second or so ...then 0.00
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HOLD THE FRONT PAGE
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why?
whats ur thai bride done now? |
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backed scunthorpe
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at the weekend?
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Dear (skindog) ...change for my security obviously!
Following an investigation into the activities on your account we have concluded that unauthorised access has been gained to your Betfair account. There will be no loss to your account balance as we have retrieved the money which was transferred to the casino. However, you should be aware that Betfair cannot accept liability for funds lost from your account under these circumstances. Under paragraph 11.4.2 of our Terms and Conditions: "We will not be liable to you for any loss that you may incur as a result of misuse of your password, or in the case of the Telephone Betting Service, of your TAN, and we accept no liability resulting from its unauthorised use, whether fraudulent or otherwise." Regards, Investigations Team |
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Good result. Well played Betfair. Have you changed your password, Skindog?
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Yer changed it ....but it still proves this place isnt as secure as you think it is ...
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Betfair is secure. I think the problem's at your end.
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your password was used by someone else it seems. Change all the passwords for all the sites you use
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Skindog - the only thing someone needs to access your account is your username and password. you may well have changed your password now, but your username will still be known by whoever has done this, so in some ways they're half way to cracking your code. it may not be a bad move to open a brand new account
separately, its amazing how many people use the same username and password across various websites. If one password and username combo was somehow discovered, maybe afte rit was used on a not so secure/professional website,it would be very easy for a dodgy individual to try it out on other similar websites with almost no trail for detection. having said that, its not the easiest to keep on thinking up and remembering new logons :-( |