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In the face of some Olympic class oppositon over the years 'the mines were empty' line has got to be the undisputed gold medal winner of stupidest remark ever seen on the forum.
i do not need information from a loony left bigot like you studyform.her excellent record in all areas is in the history books.anyone with an ounce of common knows maggie was a wonderful pm.fantastic woman
You need it from somewhere bosun, because you are misguided, and wrong. On just about every level.
Rock the coal quality was **e and more expensive to mine than its worth. like it has been said before if there was money in the mines Branson would have been down ther himself by now.
It was politically expedient to shatter the mining industry. The social, economic and everlasting costs of this far outweighed any benefits.
the mines were hopelessly uneconomic and scargill was a communist lunatic.maggie did tyhe necessary.
You mean British Coal wasn't privatised and there are no privately owned deep, or opencast mines in the UK?
There is coal, but it is a question of price competitiveness, a lack of a skilled workforce and the enormous capital investment required to reopen pits that only need to be unsupported for a short time before they become unworkable.
The decision to dismantle the mining industry was a complex one in so far as it was not merely an economic one; it had strong political overtones and had a number of socio-economic effects that still resonate today. This was one of the plan's most serious failings imo, but that too, is a political point.
It was not, however, because 'the mines were empty' and as the commodity price increased, the plans to reopen some mines have revealed just how structurally damaging the decision to reduce the industry has been.
There is coal, but it is a question of price competitiveness, a lack of a skilled workforce and the enormous capital investment required to reopen pits that only need to be unsupported for a short time before they become unworkable.
The decision to dismantle the mining industry was a complex one in so far as it was not merely an economic one; it had strong political overtones and had a number of socio-economic effects that still resonate today. This was one of the plan's most serious failings imo, but that too, is a political point.
It was not, however, because 'the mines were empty' and as the commodity price increased, the plans to reopen some mines have revealed just how structurally damaging the decision to reduce the industry has been.
The **s should think themselves lucky that they have nice cosy jobs in call centres. Think of the advatages nice and warm in winter,no need to take a bath after work and no nasty lung disease. They have never had it so good
very-valuable 05 Jan 15:53
Rock the coal quality was ***** and more expensive to mine than its worth.
ah, so that's why she drafted in thugs from the met to ensure that the picket lines could be broken... just so they could keep producing loss-making coal. That sounds like tory logic.
Rock the coal quality was ***** and more expensive to mine than its worth.
ah, so that's why she drafted in thugs from the met to ensure that the picket lines could be broken... just so they could keep producing loss-making coal. That sounds like tory logic.
It was not, however, because 'the mines were empty'
Why was it then?
Studyform saw some argy bargy on the 6 o'clock news and his caveman instincts shot to the surface. Study, and bearing in mind the closest you've been to a mine is probably Doncaster races, the vast majority of miners were delighted to get out of the filthy pits with their redundancy. Of course they won't admit that in public, but its true none the less.
Why was it then?
Studyform saw some argy bargy on the 6 o'clock news and his caveman instincts shot to the surface. Study, and bearing in mind the closest you've been to a mine is probably Doncaster races, the vast majority of miners were delighted to get out of the filthy pits with their redundancy. Of course they won't admit that in public, but its true none the less.
Yeah those evil strike breakers (scabs to the mob) who had their windows and cars smashed up because they were trying to provide for their families.
Being brought up in an environment of miners its so easy to adopt the evil Maggie, scab, community wrecker popular stance.
Well dry your eyes darlings, most of the miners knew it was the best thing that could have happened to them, albeit the year or so without pay was a high price to pay, but they know that Scargill was to blame for that.
Well dry your eyes darlings, most of the miners knew it was the best thing that could have happened to them, albeit the year or so without pay was a high price to pay, but they know that Scargill was to blame for that.
Oooh good shluck's here with his usual line of non-commital satire. I'm sure he's about to show us that every pit was bursting with good quality coal that could be mined at a fraction of the price we could import the low grade stuff we really needed.
After all the last thing we need is a profitable industry employing tens of thousands of men.
Khunt
After all the last thing we need is a profitable industry employing tens of thousands of men.
Khunt
You need to seek help, sir. You spend your life on the politics forum and you know literally nothing.
As Bosum said earlier, the best since Churchill. Maggie best PM in my adult life and I doubt very much this will change in the future.
Smashed the left into the long grass from which they have never, and can never, return. Hence Nu-Labour--- poor man's Tories.
Smashed the left into the long grass from which they have never, and can never, return. Hence Nu-Labour--- poor man's Tories.
Enlighten me then shluck. Come on, I appreciate you're very insecure and wont want to express an opinion for fear of being exposed, but I'm keen to know for example, how much coal was in the pits.
I'm all ears.
I'm all ears.
you_never_know 13 Jul 23:32
Social protection £169 bn (benefits, pensions)
Health £111 bn
Education £82 bn
Public order £33 bn
Defence £33 bn
Debt interest £31 bn
Industry, agriculture, unemployment £22 bn
Transport £21bn
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2008/09/12/13.09.08.Public.spending.pdf for more details.
with MP's expenses under investigation, why has the mod not come under such investigation? £5M aprox per year including huge sums for dining.
subversion 14 Jul 03:11
keep an eye on that debt interest figure too, its gonna get ugly
blackburn 14 Jul 06:36
If those figures are typical we're paying almost £400bn a year in interest.
What a great chancellor Brown was
Occam's Razor 14 Jul 08:11
blackburn, I hate to disappoint you, but these are annual figures.
Social protection £169 bn (benefits, pensions)
Health £111 bn
Education £82 bn
Public order £33 bn
Defence £33 bn
Debt interest £31 bn
Industry, agriculture, unemployment £22 bn
Transport £21bn
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2008/09/12/13.09.08.Public.spending.pdf for more details.
with MP's expenses under investigation, why has the mod not come under such investigation? £5M aprox per year including huge sums for dining.
subversion 14 Jul 03:11
keep an eye on that debt interest figure too, its gonna get ugly
blackburn 14 Jul 06:36
If those figures are typical we're paying almost £400bn a year in interest.
What a great chancellor Brown was
Occam's Razor 14 Jul 08:11
blackburn, I hate to disappoint you, but these are annual figures.
Fair play, having that saved in favourites for 6 months is hardly normal behaviour though - would you like my autograph as well?
Still no opinion on anything shluck? What was it Maggie's husband said about you:
Better to say nothing and let people think you're stupid rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt
Still no opinion on anything shluck? What was it Maggie's husband said about you:
Better to say nothing and let people think you're stupid rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt
blackburn understands what he's on about even if nobody else does :^0
I personally am glad that no British man has to go down a mine ..
not for any other reason than it was a terrible way of trying to earn a living ..just about every miner you can speak to will tell you THEY never wanted their sons to go down a mine ..
as stated up there ^^ by someone ..secretly they are pleased their descendants are out of it ....
but would never openly shout it out for "fear of letting their mates down"...
A lot of us can remember when the miners brought the darkness and lack of heat to this country in long stretches every SINGLE day during a part of the 1970's , just to bring Ted Heath's Govt to its knees because he was a Tory ....
Sod everyone else ...we are the miners and we are the Power ...
Maggie decided to end all that ..
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When Unions were set up to better the Hours , conditions and pay of workers they were BRILLIANT ...when they went political with a political agenda and the militants took over ..they lost the plot ...
The main thing that broke the Unions , and their greatest power "The Strike "....was the introduction of a postal or secret Ballot on strikes ..
when people didn't have to put their hand up in front of the aggressive militants -- but could vote the way they felt without the Bully Boys watching and fully intimidating them !!....
not for any other reason than it was a terrible way of trying to earn a living ..just about every miner you can speak to will tell you THEY never wanted their sons to go down a mine ..
as stated up there ^^ by someone ..secretly they are pleased their descendants are out of it ....
but would never openly shout it out for "fear of letting their mates down"...
A lot of us can remember when the miners brought the darkness and lack of heat to this country in long stretches every SINGLE day during a part of the 1970's , just to bring Ted Heath's Govt to its knees because he was a Tory ....
Sod everyone else ...we are the miners and we are the Power ...
Maggie decided to end all that ..
--------
When Unions were set up to better the Hours , conditions and pay of workers they were BRILLIANT ...when they went political with a political agenda and the militants took over ..they lost the plot ...
The main thing that broke the Unions , and their greatest power "The Strike "....was the introduction of a postal or secret Ballot on strikes ..
when people didn't have to put their hand up in front of the aggressive militants -- but could vote the way they felt without the Bully Boys watching and fully intimidating them !!....
The treatment of people returning to work and breaking to the strike was terrible. The actions of Scargill equally so. The destruction of communities by the Prime minister and Police at the time was hardly on the moral high ground. A shameful period of the countries history all round. The reports of near civil war although mainly for headlines where not overly exaggerated. A time the country had probably not recovered from yet.
overboard 05 Jan 16:33
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Smashed the left into the long grass from which they have never, and can never, return. Hence Nu-Labour--- poor man's Tories.
But in doing so she did so much damage to British industry, that it has never, and can never recover. Hence the state the country has been in since.
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Smashed the left into the long grass from which they have never, and can never, return. Hence Nu-Labour--- poor man's Tories.
But in doing so she did so much damage to British industry, that it has never, and can never recover. Hence the state the country has been in since.
too simplistic hoss.
We were on our way out of manufacturing . We had 100 years leading the way in the field but we were never going to be able to compete with the Asian countries as their costs are subsidised and their direct costs (labour) are a fraction of ours. And they don't have layers of EU bureaucracy to make them uncompetitive . It's happening to them now as a fair bit of metal bashing is being transferred to Brazil,where it is even cheaper than Korea to manufacture cars .
We were on our way out of manufacturing . We had 100 years leading the way in the field but we were never going to be able to compete with the Asian countries as their costs are subsidised and their direct costs (labour) are a fraction of ours. And they don't have layers of EU bureaucracy to make them uncompetitive . It's happening to them now as a fair bit of metal bashing is being transferred to Brazil,where it is even cheaper than Korea to manufacture cars .
Yes there were external factors involved but other European countries' industries managed to survive, and with far stronger unions than we ever had.
Maggie's blind hatred of unions was a definite factor in the demise of big industry in this country.
Maggie's blind hatred of unions was a definite factor in the demise of big industry in this country.
We had to fight the enemy without in the Falklands. We always have to be aware of the enemy within, which is much more difficult to fight and more dangerous to liberty
Margaret Thatcher on the miners' strike
To describe thousand's of decent hard working people as the enemy within turns my stomach. The evil old bag spent much more money on closing the mines than it would have cost to keep them open. Not all striking miners were militants, just good people fighting for their jobs and communities, and yet people on here support the full weight of the state and it agencies being used to crush and then rub the faces in the dirt of many thousands of good people as payback for the victories of the miners over previous Tory governments. How ironic that the supporters of Thatcher who no doubt moan about immigration and foreigners coming over here pinching our jobs seem happy about selling out the miners for cheap foreign coal.
Margaret Thatcher on the miners' strike
To describe thousand's of decent hard working people as the enemy within turns my stomach. The evil old bag spent much more money on closing the mines than it would have cost to keep them open. Not all striking miners were militants, just good people fighting for their jobs and communities, and yet people on here support the full weight of the state and it agencies being used to crush and then rub the faces in the dirt of many thousands of good people as payback for the victories of the miners over previous Tory governments. How ironic that the supporters of Thatcher who no doubt moan about immigration and foreigners coming over here pinching our jobs seem happy about selling out the miners for cheap foreign coal.
blackburn we know you are all ears you feckin donkey,
very valuable sums it up he made a pile,thats why we live in a disgusting selfish me, me society which maggie created, the best thing which could have happened to this country would have been to let the bankers go to the wall and the best survive
very valuable you are a feckin clueless**,did you go to an all boys school like blackburn ,and therefore have a complex concerning dominant women , freud would have books worth of theories with your anally retentive ,dominatrix,maggie knew best whip me whip me fantasies,
when the **s stained old harridan goes i will have a party to celebrate whilst yourself blackie and cecil parkinson are mourning her demise,
ps what odds will you give me on the treble
thatch to die in 2010
rangers to win the league
and tory front bencher to be caught in gay sex scandal.
when the **s stained old harridan goes i will have a party to celebrate whilst yourself blackie and cecil parkinson are mourning her demise,
ps what odds will you give me on the treble
thatch to die in 2010
rangers to win the league
and tory front bencher to be caught in gay sex scandal.
flush gordon
are you posting from droadmoor by any chance ?
are you posting from droadmoor by any chance ?
bentley boy
that quote referred to NUM lunatic leaders like scargill not the rank and file working miner and you know it
that quote referred to NUM lunatic leaders like scargill not the rank and file working miner and you know it
run along and play with seaman staines and master bates- bosom and i do mean bosum
very-valuable 05 Jan 15:59
The ******** should think themselves lucky that they have nice cosy jobs in call centres. Think of the advatages nice and warm in winter,no need to take a bath after work and no nasty lung disease. They have never had it so good
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What else do you expect from a pig but grunts. Watch out for Swine Flu v-v
The ******** should think themselves lucky that they have nice cosy jobs in call centres. Think of the advatages nice and warm in winter,no need to take a bath after work and no nasty lung disease. They have never had it so good
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What else do you expect from a pig but grunts. Watch out for Swine Flu v-v
Bosun,
No it did not, she did not qualify the quote at all , and your admiration for the mad old bag is ridiculous.If she was such a good PM why was she sacked by Tory MP's?
No it did not, she did not qualify the quote at all , and your admiration for the mad old bag is ridiculous.If she was such a good PM why was she sacked by Tory MP's?
it was a terrible and mistake and most tories still love her.a magnificent stateswoman and so badly missed i am sure you will agree
Bosun,It was no mistake she had to go,she was no great stateswoman,and no I dont miss her and yes I am a tory!
she is wallowing in her own** and ** at the moment why dont you volunteer to empty her magnificent nappy bosum?
Blackburn I knew I wouldn't have to wait long, you sad tossbag, for the name calling to start. Why, you silly arsewipe, do you find it so impossible to post without insulting? It seriously makes your (to be fair, usually completely uninformed and ridiculous waste of typing) point even less valid. Having said that the points (?) made by you are barely worth responding to.
Apart from the few non-stop right wingers you grovel and creep to, you just irritate people into response. Me included.
You said something ridiculous earlier in this thread, which lots of people picked up on, and as always you cannot concede the fact, but resort, like the twunt you are, to calling me names or generally insulting.
Don't let any of this bother you though - not that you will, you're too stupid to take notice.
Apart from the few non-stop right wingers you grovel and creep to, you just irritate people into response. Me included.
You said something ridiculous earlier in this thread, which lots of people picked up on, and as always you cannot concede the fact, but resort, like the twunt you are, to calling me names or generally insulting.
Don't let any of this bother you though - not that you will, you're too stupid to take notice.
she and her policies promoted greed and the "i'm alright jack feck you" syndrome. the social cost is massive. every fecker is out for themselves now.
Funny all these condemning" greed" ,attempting to steal a living on betfair ;) .
the grief displayed by the forum at the tragic loss of the likes of jade goody and kiddy-fiddler jackson will be nothing compared to the sorry day that the iron lady is scrapped.
How nostalgic we can be for the days when unions were fighting for the workers.............like dropping breeze blocks on cars on the M4 killing taxi drivers ?????? That's why maggie was valued so highly,she took all that on and beat thugs and bullies.
Thatcher was the most UNpopular PM in modern history - in Scotland. For more reasons than just the Poll Tax. She and her right wing ilk contributed to the greatest redistribution of wealth in history from the poorest to the richest. And you muppets praise her?
well said tipping the odds...she urinated on decent and vulnerable people from a great height..informed them it was raining and most of the gullible eejits believed her.
She sold them their own property and they borrowed the money at interest to buy it. Gas, electric, phones, etc. No wonder she's in nappies, she must be**iing herslf laughing.
Maggie
love her or hae her - you gotta admire her for what she was
Wouldnt s hag her tho- would yer????
love her or hae her - you gotta admire her for what she was
Wouldnt s hag her tho- would yer????
i will dance on her grave...rather looking forward too it.
Hope she dies in summer. Wouldn't want a street party in this weather.
Biggest Party since end of WWII....when she goes...
Can't be bothered to read this thread. Can someone summarise? Did you all end up agreeing?
Morning studyform, sorry to see you're still as paranoid and ranting as ever.
STUDYFORM 05 Jan 19:23
Blackburn I knew I wouldn't have to wait long, you sad tossbag, for the name calling to start. Why, you silly arsewipe, do you find it so impossible to post without insulting? It seriously makes your (to be fair, usually completely uninformed and ridiculous waste of typing) point even less valid. Having said that the points (?) made by you are barely worth responding to.
Crikey Blackie, he's got you weighed up nicely.
Blackie, serious question - why does everybody hate you?
Blackburn I knew I wouldn't have to wait long, you sad tossbag, for the name calling to start. Why, you silly arsewipe, do you find it so impossible to post without insulting? It seriously makes your (to be fair, usually completely uninformed and ridiculous waste of typing) point even less valid. Having said that the points (?) made by you are barely worth responding to.
Crikey Blackie, he's got you weighed up nicely.
Blackie, serious question - why does everybody hate you?
No one splits opinion quite like Thatcher. No one on this thread is going to change there mind regardless of evidence, argument, proof etc. Which kind of highlights the whole pointlessness of these threads, or indeed of political debate.
Maybe blackburn is one of those no-nonsense, not scared to go against the grain, staight talking good old fashioned something or other. Not afraid to upset people and all that jazz. or he might just be a w.anker. I honestly don't know, barely even heard of him before.
dunno how controversial this might be but for anyone that`s interested - it`s arthur scargills birthday on Monday 11th January - there`s plenty of time to get him a card as I`ve told you now .......
4th street, you're right on the first count, I guess there'll always be those who disagree and like to have a pop, thats fine by me, live by the sword and all that. You'll never find me grizzling like big girls blouses such as studyform.
As for my old mate crippen, on politics he's known as the forum punchbag, he's a silly old fool but completely harmless.
As for my old mate crippen, on politics he's known as the forum punchbag, he's a silly old fool but completely harmless.
Rob, have a look on the politics forum.
Wa.nker was the correct summation.
Wa.nker was the correct summation.
You need help study, I've empathised with your insecurity before. How awful it must be to throw a tantrum every time somebody sees things differently, a sure sign of weak intellect.
Have a good seeth, twunt (as you would say)
Have a good seeth, twunt (as you would say)
I was 12yo when Thatcher left government, so though I grew up in thatcher's britain wasn't exactly much of a political animal back then.
I've got to admit my instinct with Thatcher is to say that if you are a union and you take on your employer and the employer says ok we don't need you then you just have to live and die by it. There are no unions in my game and potential employers are really taking the p.ss atm in every sense. When the times were good all us contractors take the p.ss. I suppose you just deal with it, that is why I am working at the council now. And I hate it, can't stand the idleness, not living in the real worldness, beaurocracy etc etc. Just so much wastage and so many of the people there don't have a clue and are just institutionaised council. I'm defo not a socialist, can't stand the public sector. On the other hand I understand the govenment were not 100% honest with the miners. Regards profitability - well perhaps it is better to make a slight loss if it keeps people in work and paying tax (no dole money to pay) and keeps communities together. I guess neither side would back down, not at any cost - which is something of a tragedy.
Incidentally were the miners paid well back then? The ones I worked with on the channel tunnel rail link were on £300/shift - and it was a lot safer then than in the past I'm sure. Regarding privatisation,isn't that what Blair embraced in his clause 4 thing?
I'm not an expert on it all, though i'm sure everyone else is. :)
I've got to admit my instinct with Thatcher is to say that if you are a union and you take on your employer and the employer says ok we don't need you then you just have to live and die by it. There are no unions in my game and potential employers are really taking the p.ss atm in every sense. When the times were good all us contractors take the p.ss. I suppose you just deal with it, that is why I am working at the council now. And I hate it, can't stand the idleness, not living in the real worldness, beaurocracy etc etc. Just so much wastage and so many of the people there don't have a clue and are just institutionaised council. I'm defo not a socialist, can't stand the public sector. On the other hand I understand the govenment were not 100% honest with the miners. Regards profitability - well perhaps it is better to make a slight loss if it keeps people in work and paying tax (no dole money to pay) and keeps communities together. I guess neither side would back down, not at any cost - which is something of a tragedy.
Incidentally were the miners paid well back then? The ones I worked with on the channel tunnel rail link were on £300/shift - and it was a lot safer then than in the past I'm sure. Regarding privatisation,isn't that what Blair embraced in his clause 4 thing?
I'm not an expert on it all, though i'm sure everyone else is. :)
Yet again, Blackbum, YOU started the name calling and insults. FOR NO REASON whatever.
Yet again you wait, ignore any salient points, and continue your unprovoked personal assaults on me and on others. In fact, I would guess that 90% of your posts in response to others (whether you're a party to the "conversation" or not) contain some sort of personal attack or insult.
You are a loser, a sad waste of space. The biggest irritant on the BF forums, you have nothing worthwhile to contribute and get your rocks off sitting in the corner of your hovel insulting and name-calling. You are so thick (skinned) it doesn't even occur to you you're doing it. You have no friends on here, nor anywhere else, I suspect. Save for those you fawn over, and most of them change their forum names every few weeks either from embarrassment or possibly to avoid you.
I'm not seething, I'm mildly irritated, which is about as much as you provide to many on here; mild irritation. You ignore virtually everything put to you which could be considered a criticism, and you need to know, the laughing stock on the politics forum is YOU, not all those you call names. You don't have a clue about how to interact with others, and with the exception of the very few regulars you dote upon, all your input does is mildly irritate most of those who contribute.
I can't be bothered to look at the politics forum most of the time, because I know you'll be scouring every thread for your next piece of vitriol production.
Now your reaction will as always, be to stand back, and virtually thumb your virtual nose whilst asserting your mystified indignance at such an attack and think of some ways to tell me some old crap like you always do. Bear in mind - not being well know on the chit-chat forum doesn't make you any less of a dickhedd than you're already known to be on the politics forum.
Yet again you wait, ignore any salient points, and continue your unprovoked personal assaults on me and on others. In fact, I would guess that 90% of your posts in response to others (whether you're a party to the "conversation" or not) contain some sort of personal attack or insult.
You are a loser, a sad waste of space. The biggest irritant on the BF forums, you have nothing worthwhile to contribute and get your rocks off sitting in the corner of your hovel insulting and name-calling. You are so thick (skinned) it doesn't even occur to you you're doing it. You have no friends on here, nor anywhere else, I suspect. Save for those you fawn over, and most of them change their forum names every few weeks either from embarrassment or possibly to avoid you.
I'm not seething, I'm mildly irritated, which is about as much as you provide to many on here; mild irritation. You ignore virtually everything put to you which could be considered a criticism, and you need to know, the laughing stock on the politics forum is YOU, not all those you call names. You don't have a clue about how to interact with others, and with the exception of the very few regulars you dote upon, all your input does is mildly irritate most of those who contribute.
I can't be bothered to look at the politics forum most of the time, because I know you'll be scouring every thread for your next piece of vitriol production.
Now your reaction will as always, be to stand back, and virtually thumb your virtual nose whilst asserting your mystified indignance at such an attack and think of some ways to tell me some old crap like you always do. Bear in mind - not being well know on the chit-chat forum doesn't make you any less of a dickhedd than you're already known to be on the politics forum.
Blimey, I'm flattered that someone would spend so much time and effort writing all about me.
It just shows how people see things differently study, you know nothing about where I live or work or my individual situation, yet you feel compelled to post all sorts of personal information - why do you feel the need to do that? Is it a desire to be accepted or a form of cyber therapy? Either way you come across as a bit of a saddo.
No matter, I'm sure you're a nice lad and your family love you, like I say I do worry about folk as sensitive and insecure as you.
It just shows how people see things differently study, you know nothing about where I live or work or my individual situation, yet you feel compelled to post all sorts of personal information - why do you feel the need to do that? Is it a desire to be accepted or a form of cyber therapy? Either way you come across as a bit of a saddo.
No matter, I'm sure you're a nice lad and your family love you, like I say I do worry about folk as sensitive and insecure as you.
ivor, study really has got a thing about me, methinks he takes this cyberworld a bit too seriously.
Doesn't say much about his "real" life, poor soul.
Doesn't say much about his "real" life, poor soul.
Thatchers idea of dealing with the unions was to eradicate as much of our industry as possible.
But our good friends on the socialist left cannot complain, after all it was they who stabbed Jim Callaghan in the back that let her in the first place.
Then they made the unelectable Michael Foot and his unacceptable policies, leader of the Labour party gifting her a second term.
But our good friends on the socialist left cannot complain, after all it was they who stabbed Jim Callaghan in the back that let her in the first place.
Then they made the unelectable Michael Foot and his unacceptable policies, leader of the Labour party gifting her a second term.
At the end of the day there has to be a fair balance between legislation that protects workers rights and legislation that enables wealth creation. Otherwise you have the situation the west faces now where workers have no rights, hire and fire short term/temp contracts are the norm; and companies and investors are upping sticks to low wage economies where they can make bigger profits, at the expense of other workers.
It matters not a jot to the vast majority if the good old British economy is admred the world over for being leaner, more efficient and business friendly, if profitable businesses with hard working and loyal staff are being closed down every day; workers are being paid the minimum while the bosses take fat bonuses; and workers are fired for no reason. As a working class person ie someone who has to work for a living, I preferred things when the pendulum was dangling differently.
Thatcher (and Blair more surreptitiously) were class warriors for the rich against the interests of ordinary people, and for that both will never be forgiven.
It matters not a jot to the vast majority if the good old British economy is admred the world over for being leaner, more efficient and business friendly, if profitable businesses with hard working and loyal staff are being closed down every day; workers are being paid the minimum while the bosses take fat bonuses; and workers are fired for no reason. As a working class person ie someone who has to work for a living, I preferred things when the pendulum was dangling differently.
Thatcher (and Blair more surreptitiously) were class warriors for the rich against the interests of ordinary people, and for that both will never be forgiven.
Surely workers in UK have more rights now than ever before, minimum wage for example. Sacking somebody now is very difficult.
As pleasing as it will be to see the old bag disappear, nothing will compare to the day the witch left Downing Street bawling her eyes out. Oh, happy day.
How nostalgic we can be for the days when unions were fighting for the workers.............like dropping breeze blocks on cars on the M4 killing taxi drivers ?????? That's why maggie was valued so highly,she took all that on and beat thugs and bullies.
That was the tragic end result of a conflict that got totally out of hand, and it was a big factor in ending the strike.
Her hired goons escalated the whole thing, I know that for a fact. If mobs of imported old bill rampaged through your area beating the locals, would you be happy about it?
That was the tragic end result of a conflict that got totally out of hand, and it was a big factor in ending the strike.
Her hired goons escalated the whole thing, I know that for a fact. If mobs of imported old bill rampaged through your area beating the locals, would you be happy about it?
Oh surely what? Of course companies go abroad to have stuff made in China, compare workers rights and pay there with UK.
I suppose you´re right Blackie, we should just be happy that we have better pay and working conditions than people living under a totalitarian regime.
tip, depends how far you want to take the argument, you could say that we all contribute to the conditions over there with our shopping habits. I dont suppose too many people worry about the pay in China when they're buying jeans for £2.99 in Tesco.
tiptheodds first long post is spot on. Even the rich can hardly believe the fking ludicrous thievery they've managed to get away with.
They will extend this under Cameron to take the p1ss as far as possible, until we remind them of the consequences. It will happen, we've been here before and it will be ugly like the last time.
They will extend this under Cameron to take the p1ss as far as possible, until we remind them of the consequences. It will happen, we've been here before and it will be ugly like the last time.
If Thatcher was so great for the UK, why was she voted out ?
that was internal polly ticks - like your Hewitt and Hoon now
Big Charlie 06 Jan 16:03
If Thatcher was so great for the UK, why was she voted out ?
Because she was a megalomaniac nutjob who even the other Tories, who had done very well thanks from her crookedness, realised had gone too far, and had exhausted every avenue of greed open to her.
If Thatcher was so great for the UK, why was she voted out ?
Because she was a megalomaniac nutjob who even the other Tories, who had done very well thanks from her crookedness, realised had gone too far, and had exhausted every avenue of greed open to her.
he never reaaly had a mandate to be primeminister anyway. just a dodgy deal with bliar
Why do so many people on here who defend the old witch automatically assume anyone who hates her (and this is a majority), likes or supports Blair (the idiot thatcher puppet clone) or the current government?
I certainly don't - and I'm sure I'm not alone.
I certainly don't - and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Yes, Blair did more damage to the Labour Party than many tory leaders.
Best decription of the Tory Party imo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa0LXhyvGiU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa0LXhyvGiU
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