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I'll have to say I'm in favour I suppose.
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STUDYFORM 29 Dec 20:49
Just make prisons cheaper. For the worst offenders. This must be possible. No fancy food, no possessions, locked in a small secure room, with limited access to anywhere else, until release. Why should that cost millions? To feed a pickpocket one thing and feed a murderer something less nutritious is a human rights violation Ask the chukkerbutti bird. |
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Prisons should be run like military prisons once were. Hard but pointless work all day and solitary confinement in total darkness for 12 hours at night.
Give them a bucket of water full of rusty nails and some emery paper to burnish the nails in the dark. In the morning, inspect the nails then drop them back in the water so that they'll need burnishing again that night. No clean nails, no breakfast. All work should be pointless, painless and never-ending. Corporal punishment should be severe and frequent. You could serve three years in three months under those circumstances and very few will ever come back for seconds. |
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painless = painful
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I would like to see Ian Huntley swing
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so would I,
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I wouldn't let him near a playground
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Against.
If you state that the taking of life is so abhorrent then the only punishment is, er, the taking of life, then you are one mixed up person. Yes, yes, I know that makes me a lefty PC liberal tree hugger. YAWN. |
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baracouda30 29 Dec 21:08
Against. If you state that the taking of life is so abhorrent then the only punishment is, er, the taking of life, then you are one mixed up person. Yes, yes, I know that makes me a lefty PC liberal tree hugger. YAWN. give someone enough rope and they will hang themself. |
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That's a new one.
How would that work? Don't tell me, they hang themselves or we start killing their family, one an hour on the hour, kids first. Well done. |
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I always say that in our societies, like the US, they're is always a 10+ year delay from trial to execution for appeals.
The problem there, apparent if you watched a recent Nat Geo documentary, is that in essence, you are not executing the same person that committed the crime. |
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who cares hang them first then have the trial.
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We'll start with you then macarony.
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No you first. we will put it to the vote. I vote bara to hang
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Nice one.
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2 points on this. Personally I dont think the death penalty is much of a deterrent, after all if these people thought rationally they wouldn't be committing the crime in the first place.
Having said that, why does it need to be? Prison isnt a deterrent either, yet we still imprison people. I think that when there is no doubt and the crime is severe enough (multiple murder, terrorism, supporting ManU) these people should be put to death within 2 years. Also I feel prison is far too soft. There is a Jeffery Archer short story, (I'm sure based in fact) of a geezer who throws a bin through a window so he can spend 6 months inside the nick over winter, instead of sleeping outside in the cold. He did that a few times, so obviously was happy with 3 hots and a cot each day. Well sorry but fck that, get them breaking rocks, sawing wood, whatever. Make prison really unpleasant, which I'm sure can be done without infringing some peado's human rights ffs. I find that many people I speak to are in favour of the death penalty in certain circumstances. While this is hardly a representative sample, I'm sure it at least equates to a significant % of the population who would vote to reinstate it. |
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and in case you were wondering, i would vote yes for reinstatement of capital punishment.
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Between 1950 and 1957, the number of murders in Britain never rose above 180. The annual average in recent years is over 900.
Overall crime has also shot up since we abolished capital punishment. Since the Fifties, the number of recorded crimes has increased more than tenfold, up from 438,000 in 1955 to 4.8 million in 2008. This is because the removal of the death penalty has had a downward ratchet effect. Since murderers could no longer be hanged, sentences for all other crimes had to be lowered commensurately. The result is the near-anarchy we see today, where serial offenders continually escape custody and rates of violent crime soar. There is nothing barbaric about the death penalty. The real barbarism lies in refusing to punish criminals. The drug-fuelled, crime-ridden, welfare-dependent, fear-filled inner city housing estate in modern Britain is far more savage than any place of execution in China for a trafficker of human misery. |
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This is because the removal of the death penalty has had a downward ratchet effect.
where is your evidence to justify such a sweeping statement? |
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Must be my eyes
i thought he posted that just above HTH ;) ;) |
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Overall crime has also shot up since we abolished capital punishment. Since the Fifties, the number of recorded crimes has increased more than tenfold, up from 438,000 in 1955 to 4.8 million in 2008.
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Mr Eboue 29 Dec 17:04
Two wrongs do not make a right. Are you ever going to say something original, probably not, tw@t. |
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wtf is that about ^^ :(
i agree with Mr Eboue's statement, and am firmly against it to kill them makes it too easy, people who have sinned badly enough to be killed should be made to suffer |
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oh everything has to be original does it
well the death penalty isn't so you must be against that |
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Gary do you think they do suffer tho? It costs a fortune to keep killers like Brady, Huntly the ripper etc
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i see where you are coming from mate, and if it cost so much, i guess its difficult
all i know is, if someone said to me now, you either have to be killed or spend the next 50 years in jail, for me it would be an easy answer |
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costs more to execute than lock up for life
but of course we've covered this |
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I object to paying for the upkeep of badduns. If a proponent for the keep em alive camp wants to pay my share and buy my vote, then ok.
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Re the death penalty in the US - why are they on Death row for up to 20 years?
Can anybody answer that? They have the trial, all evidance is heard and the verdit reached. They have the obvious appeal whereby any new evidance is heard and a appeal against the senatance is heard. Another appeal is pointless as if no new evidance is forthcoming, and the decision not to overturn is made why keep them on death row. Take them out after the first appeal fails and execute them if that was the verdict. No need for 56 appeals and 20 years in prision. |
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in the us yes. Not sure that argument would stack up if you remodelled the appeal process.
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In the US they often spend longer on Death row than they would have got for their sentence in the UK. In the US if you murder someone you get 20 years then are executed. In the Uk if you murder someone you get 20 years and are out in 12
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huntley should have been starved to death -the most abhorrent human ever -
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murderers, rapists, drug dealers, terrorists and drunk drivers should be tortured first, maybe for a month, with serious pain, then humanely put to sleep. cheers.
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huntly doesnt even come close to Hindley and Brady
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I always say, and people dont like always agree with me for it
but i wouldnt never feel any ounce of hatred, anger or dislike towards any phaedophile etc, thinks like that, as they were not given the option of how they were created but anyone like the likes of Huntley etc who act on their wrong thoughts are the very bad people |
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slightly off topic i know
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anyway Gary what a great day today has become!
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lol did this thread start as a way of you getting rid of Megson ;)
all ill say is, i just hope you havent made as big a mistake as we did |
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Gary Binosh 30 Dec 16:24
wtf is that about ^^ You just don't understand, do you, did not really think for one moment that you would. Can't be bothered with you m0r0ns any further. here is something even you will understand GFYSYFDC, goes double for the canary tw@t |
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boxingthefox :x
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