The Death Penalty

2 points on this. Personally I dont think the death penalty is much of a deterrent, after all if these people thought rationally they wouldn't be committing the crime in the first place.

Having said that, why does it need to be? Prison isnt a deterrent either, yet we still imprison people. I think that when there is no doubt and the crime is severe enough (multiple murder, terrorism, supporting ManU) these people should be put to death within 2 years.

Also I feel prison is far too soft. There is a Jeffery Archer short story, (I'm sure based in fact) of a geezer who throws a bin through a window so he can spend 6 months inside the nick over winter, instead of sleeping outside in the cold. He did that a few times, so obviously was happy with 3 hots and a cot each day.

Well sorry but fck that, get them breaking rocks, sawing wood, whatever. Make prison really unpleasant, which I'm sure can be done without infringing some peado's human rights ffs.

I find that many people I speak to are in favour of the death penalty in certain circumstances. While this is hardly a representative sample, I'm sure it at least equates to a significant % of the population who would vote to reinstate it.

and in case you were wondering, i would vote yes for reinstatement of capital punishment.

Between 1950 and 1957, the number of murders in Britain never rose above 180. The annual average in recent years is over 900.

Overall crime has also shot up since we abolished capital punishment. Since the Fifties, the number of recorded crimes has increased more than tenfold, up from 438,000 in 1955 to 4.8 million in 2008.

This is because the removal of the death penalty has had a downward ratchet effect.

Since murderers could no longer be hanged, sentences for all other crimes had to be lowered commensurately. The result is the near-anarchy we see today, where serial offenders continually escape custody and rates of violent crime soar.

There is nothing barbaric about the death penalty. The real barbarism lies in refusing to punish criminals.

The drug-fuelled, crime-ridden, welfare-dependent, fear-filled inner city housing estate in modern Britain is far more savage than any place of execution in China for a trafficker of human misery.

This is because the removal of the death penalty has had a downward ratchet effect.

where is your evidence to justify such a sweeping statement?

Must be my eyes

i thought he posted that just above

HTH

;) ;)

Overall crime has also shot up since we abolished capital punishment. Since the Fifties, the number of recorded crimes has increased more than tenfold, up from 438,000 in 1955 to 4.8 million in 2008.

Mr Eboue 29 Dec 17:04
Two wrongs do not make a right.

Are you ever going to say something original, probably not, tw@t.

wtf is that about ^^ :(

i agree with Mr Eboue's statement, and am firmly against it

to kill them makes it too easy, people who have sinned badly enough to be killed should be made to suffer

oh everything has to be original does it

well the death penalty isn't so you must be against that

Gary do you think they do suffer tho? It costs a fortune to keep killers like Brady, Huntly the ripper etc

i see where you are coming from mate, and if it cost so much, i guess its difficult

all i know is, if someone said to me now, you either have to be killed or spend the next 50 years in jail, for me it would be an easy answer

costs more to execute than lock up for life

but of course we've covered this

I object to paying for the upkeep of badduns. If a proponent for the keep em alive camp wants to pay my share and buy my vote, then ok.

Re the death penalty in the US - why are they on Death row for up to 20 years?

Can anybody answer that?

They have the trial, all evidance is heard and the verdit reached.

They have the obvious appeal whereby any new evidance is heard and a appeal against the senatance is heard.

Another appeal is pointless as if no new evidance is forthcoming, and the decision not to overturn is made why keep them on death row.

Take them out after the first appeal fails and execute them if that was the verdict.

No need for 56 appeals and 20 years in prision.

in the us yes. Not sure that argument would stack up if you remodelled the appeal process.

In the US they often spend longer on Death row than they would have got for their sentence in the UK. In the US if you murder someone you get 20 years then are executed. In the Uk if you murder someone you get 20 years and are out in 12

huntley should have been starved to death -the most abhorrent human ever -

murderers, rapists, drug dealers, terrorists and drunk drivers should be tortured first, maybe for a month, with serious pain, then humanely put to sleep. cheers.

huntly doesnt even come close to Hindley and Brady

I always say, and people dont like always agree with me for it

but i wouldnt never feel any ounce of hatred, anger or dislike towards any phaedophile etc, thinks like that, as they were not given the option of how they were created

but anyone like the likes of Huntley etc who act on their wrong thoughts are the very bad people

slightly off topic i know

anyway Gary what a great day today has become!

lol did this thread start as a way of you getting rid of Megson ;)

all ill say is, i just hope you havent made as big a mistake as we did

Gary Binosh 30 Dec 16:24
wtf is that about ^^

You just don't understand, do you, did not really think for one moment that you would.

Can't be bothered with you m0r0ns any further. here is something even you will understand GFYSYFDC, goes double for the canary tw@t

boxingthefox :x

and chance of a translation?

cheers buddy

im ecstatic at the news. Anyone will be an improvement. I just hope we get someone who can get it down and play a bit. I was slightly suprised he got out alive last night as i thought a lynching was possible at one point. Never seen anything like the atmosphere last night

and i do love a double portion

i couldnt make it out either canary, he overestimated us :(

MW - i thought that when we got rid of Gareth and look at us now, so be realistic, but hopefully you get someone that will improve or at least make it more entertaining

have been suffering withdarawls symptons without the golf but now i have a next bolton market to do a bit of trading on hopefully will take me upto the 7th when the new season kicks off

Gary
Fabulous
Yeah
Splendid
Yeah
Fantastic
Ditto
Canary

am i warm?

strach will turn it around can see you getting a few new players in Jan and making a charge for the play offs. Your problem from afar seems to be you sold too many experienced players a couple of years ago when in the prem

im in a weird postition aswell, cos im off work till the 4th, so i dont want the hols to end, but yet, i simply cant wait for the golf to start again :)

well get trading on the next bolton manager market to pass the time!

spot on CB, well done ;)

MW - well we started last season on fire, just had an unbelieveable decline, which has continued into this season, if we can get it sorted at home a bit more the playoffs might be possible, but this is the biggest low for us in a long time

i'm pretty clued up on these acronyms

have to go out now fella's, c ya later

canaryboy 30 Dec 16:28

costs more to execute than lock up for life

but of course we've covered this



we're both anti- so i'm not just arguing for the sake of it but do you have anything other than the article you already posted to support this? clearly the author has an agenda.

oh i posted that article before i'd seen you ask actually

there's loads of stuff and was in the news a while back

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

http://www.thesunnews.com/news/local/story/1234561.html

and it would never cross my mind you could be arguing for the sake of it

only paranoid people would think that

twenty years of smoking pot will do that to a person!

Do the Chinese do ASBOs and Community Service, or do they really get tough on crime like that nice Mr Bliar did.

There are so may brilliant people in the world, vibrant, energetic honest people with a zest for life. Lets go forward with these, give them opportunities and chances.

Fook the dimwit criminals of with a deft shot. they are dragging us down.

I recon we should

1.Let all the criminals out.
2. Make it the law to possess loaded gun.
3. Decriminalise the murder/manslaughter laws.
4. Let the toughest survive. (sort of a Darwinism type land.
5.Everyones happy :D

I would be

.

FFS :^0

i know :D

id never heard of him, and he gets p!ssed off with me further down :)

then i completely owned him

Great stuff :)

We can always rely on our 2nd Favourite Norwich Fan :x

2nd fav?

Who else is there?

ffs

I can't believe anybody seriously argues against the death penalty under any circumstances.

yeah it's so strange isn't it

just so normal to kill people

lets be avin you

oh

or Charles

CB in danger of being pushed into 3rd :0

What about innocent people that are wrongly sentenced to death?

Do we just send their families an apology letter after they have been wrongly killed?

whats the big deal, he's right

i killed like 4 people last week, just fancied it, people should push infront of me in spar should they

It takes more courage to argue for the death penalty than to take the cowardly but safe stance of the anti capital punishment brigade.

i'm way better than charles

he tries too hard to be like me

you deserve the victoria cross kev

and the george cross

Answer my question kevin.

ok, you stay 2nd for now then, but dont let standards slip :)



well i dont agree with the Death Penalty as i said earlier id rather be killed than in jail for life, so its too easy for them, just my opinion though

What question?

Mr Eboue 30 Dec 19:00


What about innocent people that are wrongly sentenced to death?

Do we just send their families an apology letter after they have been wrongly killed?

tell him E !!

Is that a trick question? Why would you sentence an innocent person to death?

Please don't ask stuipid questions.

Mr Eboue 30 Dec 19:00


What about innocent people that are wrongly sentenced to death?

Do we just send their families an apology letter after they have been wrongly killed?


Do you mean like the letters Gordon Brown sends to families of our 'innocent' troops when they are are killed ?

Kevin ffs, have you never seen an innocent person jailed, and then years later evidence found to prove their innocence, and they are let out of jail

if you're dead, you cant get justice

FFS.

PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SETENCED TO DEATH AND THEN YEARS LATER ( AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN EXECUTED ) EVIDENCE SHOWS THEY WERE INNOCENT.

GET WITH IT FFS.

AND THE COMMENT ON THE TROOPS DYING IS EMBARASSING AND HAS NO PLACE IN THIS THREAD.

Kevin1958 30 Dec 19:07
Is that a trick question? Why would you sentence an innocent person to death?

have a guess son!

GARY BINOSH IS SHREWED AND KNOWS THE SCORE.

i chose to be more subtle

police's iinterests to get convictions innit

guys, we use the term ffs, way to much

A lot of people argue against the death penalty because it does does not deter murder. If we dismissing capital punishment on that basis why not eliminate prisons as well because they do not seem to be very effective in the deterrence of crime?

shoot the fecking lot of them in the following order

arsenal fans
gayers
gay arsenal fans
boro fans

Spurs fans wouldnt be able to live without us.

They wouldnt know what to do with the massive *****on their shoulders.

very true eboue...nobody to chase down the seven sisters road :)

redbag dropped to only my 27th favourite spurs fan now :(

I got into some trouble on that road a few years ago with a couple of rogue **s.

Y I D D O ' S FFS

The death penalty does not deter murder. I'd agree with that.
But it does eliminate a repeat offence. Gets rid of the rubbish.

Have you ever thought about how many criminals escape punishment because of the do gooders like canaryboy, and yet the victims never have a chance to do that?

right im off to watch your lot in the pub eboue, had a big bet on them aswell

if they let me down, i will be reporting you first thing in the morning, do you understand ?

Between 1950 and 1957, the number of murders in Britain never rose above 180. The annual average in recent years is over 900.

my two pence worth

id defo bring it back for terrorists,serial killers and kiddie fiddlers

Kev, we are not saying dont punish them

Clear as crystal.

UP THE ARSE

great, glad we cleared that up, good luck

the death penalty - the ultimate hypocrisy

well i hate pompey as i live near there so i dont give a feck who wins tbh

Good try mightymoyes but not quite on the mark. The ultimate hypocrisy would be listening to the likes of you do gooders after one of your nearest and dearest takes an early bath at the hands of some low life.

Kevin - do you live up North?

I do if you live in Australia. Why?

i wouldnt have the death penalty as automatic penalty however in certain cases it should be applied. Punishments in general need to be tougher the sentences are too lenient for a whole raft of offences