thx :)

doing other stuff at same time fyi.

pi$$ed off 'cos you've done your dough are ya?

we have been having an interesting discussion imho - to a degree that you probably won't find it many other places. if you dont like what you read mavis, dont read. perhaps your negative attitude is why you are losing, given that you create your own reality ;)

it is self evident that some people here do value my thoughts , and i am content with that.

I haven't checked out any of the links yet, it's all very intersting though. I have just touched on some of the subjects you talk about, as you will know, you read up on something which leads to something else and so on.

I try not to get too deep as it does have the potential to send u**ers. How deep do you wanna go down the rabbit hole I guess.

I started off questioning the government and the way things are set up in our culture. Puppets/puppet masters etc which leads you onto all sorts of subjects and questions. It's never ending!

its just a powerful light/laser thing

what do you think prj bluebeam involves...

Apologies for not reading the whole thread before I post this but it is a bit long.

In reply to an interesting discussion earlier between DW and pf, I would like to say a couple of things:

(Punterfleecer asked if there was any need to worship ´god´or anything...)
Many people who have problems with organised religion and the concept of god might nevertheless say that religion/worship does give people - especially the poorest people in developing countries - hope ...of something better, of a miracle, of God delivering them, of heaven, or whatever. In some small way faith brings succour to the dispossessed and those in need. I have probably said the same thing myself.

But what if, as Don said earlier, the very existence of not just organised religion and all that that entails, but the simple belief of a higher power ie a god acts as a pacifier to people who would otherwise come to recognise the unfairness of their situation and fight back...So in effect the agents of organised religion - popes, bishops, priests, ministers, etc etc - have acted throughout history as enforcers for ruling elites to exploit the masses...And when they would say ´it is God´s way´ or ´it is the will of God´what they really should have been saying is ´actually we have a nice cosy relationship with the supreme power and between you and me, if you step out of line they will destroy you...´. We would like to help you but our hands are tied...´

Re something Don said earlier about evolution possibly being nothing more than a product of our own collective subconscious...along with a concept of heaven and hell... and presumably the devil and evil and all that. Its an interesting theory for sure. By dishing out just the right balance of good and bad fortune a kind of Matrix like homeostasis is created.

I just have one problem with that. How could evolution, if its a product of the human collective subconscious, impact on the animal world. Or are you saying that every species also has a collective subconscious and we are all doing the same thing?

Other than that it was probably painted missiles ,nothing to worry about.

anyone care to speculate re the russian pyramid!?

please enlighten me don, i'd love to know what sports i have been losing on today.

gg

and i have been trying to enlighten you within the content of this thread if you care to read ;)

I was thinking what I would say if I was asked, as someone was earlier, what they thought the lights above Norway were...and tbh I was surprised how anyone believed anything, with so little clear info around and conflicting reports.

The conspiracy theorist in me would probably say that whatever the politicians decide is the official explanation is probably NOT true. But saying exactly what it was - apart from some friendly aliens looking in on their labrats - is harder to say with any certainty. Believing the official explanation is the easiest way. A bit like God really...

Its simply easier to believe in god - most likely as a bearded white fella - than it is not to. Its easier to assimilate into your new Alabama home. Its easier to get jobs. And its easier of course if it turns out there really is one.

But is it healthier? I used to say to people that it must be great to live, like so many, as Forrest Gump. To believe in God. To believe the official explanation for everything. To believe we really do live in a meritocracy. To have no knowledge whatsoever of global warming, pollution, cover-ups, assassinations, conspiracies, CIA covert ops, Bergerbild or whatever. Life must be bliss..

Or is it healthier to be a bug in the system? To question everything? To never accept anything at face value. To never trust anyone: politicians, businessmen, journalists or church leaders. To always look for alternative scenarios to official explanations. To suspect corruption everywhere. To believe in Big Brother and a police state. To wonder if your neighbour is really Stasi...

I ask myself that question sometimes.

a fair point tip re health. go with the flow is better for the health i would suggest, unless you can achieve complete understanding of the universe in ways i suggested in this thread in which case you would be happy regardless.

re the lights - i think that "they" want us to question, and at this point they want us to not believe the official line. sort of reverse psychology - it just feels to me like they are trying to sell something. they want us to think it is something to do with god ie the man in the sky common understanding of god, or something to do with aliens. seems to me that they want us to believe that god is not a man with a white fluffy beard as you put it but actually an alien. seems like a new method of control to me - because that really would put the "fear of god" in people and make them fall into line.

re the line of thinking we've been discussing with regard to reality - perhaps the subconsicous desire of the masses IS for aliens to be god etc, and therefore that is what we are going to see within this reality, or at least forced to believe despite it not being true. perhaps this subconsicous desire started out within just a few people - or perhaps it was a conscious desire made by a small group in order to maintain control, and by planting seeds in the subconsicous of the masses through presenting such ideas within media to the masses, the desire has spread to a larger group of people. if this were true, the spread would gradually pick up speed until it became a reality via being the overwhelming subconsicous desire of the majority group consicousness.

so i guess i think achieving understanding is something to aspire to, where possible, as it could create a greater state of bliss than that offered by ignorance

seems plausible - but the aurora seen previously have never been symetrical or clear cut patterns ie like this spiral. and it doesnt really explain the beam of light that appears to reach from the centre of the spiral to the ground. also, aurora are usually flickering waves of light are they not rather than a seemingly static image. just playing devils advocate

You could be right. I haven't looked into it that closely, and don't understand it that well, to be honest. Anyway, time for some kip, I think. G'night.

:D. Space monkeys eh? As good a theory as any, I reckon.

I think animals are part of the collective consciousness fwiw.

amoeba?

perhaps being in able to control the reality in which we live, for all species, is what the "life force" really is. ie the apparent illusory lifeforce is greater in humans than in animals, which in turn have more than amoebas/plants etc. hence we see us as being more alive than plants etc

fair comment