I have more than 2 friends, but they were real examples, before any betfair forumite throws any insult at me

GOD invented the tadpole, he wiggled his finger creating it making it looking like a tadpole

i agree punter, they have done well. but they are limited in ways that mainstream science does not want to address certain fundamental assumptions that all science is based on.

for example

we assume reality is objective and consistent and more importantly that humans have the capacity to perceive reality accurately. we base this on our 5 sense because these are all we know, however these are merely filters that the brain uses to interpret signals it receives. everything is really resonance, or vibration, whether sound, light or mass. we do not know if what we sense is the be all and end all.

we assume rational explanations exist for elements of the world we live in. perhaps reality is irrational?

the nature of something cannot be observed independently of the observation, so our understanding will always be limited by perception. even in science where we use various tools etc to measure stuff, perception still occurs.

Interesting stuff by Don...He KNOWS

I see you appear familair with "seth" or at least some of the more level headed LOA theories

started off challenging in my mind what the government tells us about what's going on. now challenging everything. tried to absorb as much mainstream science as possible and now it seems some of the more modern science theories by respected academics are also leaning in this direction. will check seth out because heard it mentioned before but never investigated

BonViv, a glimpse of vintage Seth............"You are like children with a game, and you think that the game is played by everyone. Physical life is not the rule. Identity and consciousness existed long before your earth was formed. You suppose that any personality must appear in physical terms. Consciousness is the force behind matter, and it forms many other realities besides the physical one. It is, again, your own viewpoint that is presently so limited that it seems to you that physical reality is the rule and mode of existence" --
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"You create your reality according to your beliefs and expectations, therefore you should examine these carefully. If you do not like some aspect of your world, then examine your own expectations"

n1. i had reached those conclusions anyway, but that is some nice succinct explanation, thx. :)

s'pose i should head over to reading up everything i can on seth by the sound of it. i will do so.

if reality is mind driven than absolutely anything is possible.

Here are the ones I would recommend to you Don

Roberts, Jane (1970). The Seth Material. reprinted (2001) New Awareness Network. ISBN 978-0971119802
Roberts, Jane and Robert F. Butts (1972). Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul. reprinted (1994) Amber-Allen Publishing. ISBN 1-878424-07-6
Roberts, Jane (1974). The Nature of Personal Reality. Prentice-Hall. reprinted (1994) Amber-Allen Publishing. ISBN 1-878424-06-8

Roberts, Jane (1977). The "Unknown" Reality Vol. 1. Prentice-Hall. reprinted (1997) Amber-Allen Publishing. ISBN 978-1878424259

Roberts, Jane (1979). The "Unknown" Reality Vol. 2. Prentice-Hall. reprinted (1997) Amber-Allen Publishing. ISBN 978-1878424266

Roberts, Jane (1979). The Nature of the Psyche: Its Human Expression. Prentice-Hall. reprinted (1996) Amber-Allen Publishing. ISBN 978-1878424228

Roberts, Jane (1981). The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events. Prentice-Hall. reprinted (1994) Amber-Allen Publishing. ISBN 978-1878424211

Plenty there to grapple with. But you could read a lot with a simple Google of Seth books to get a taste.

thanks mate i will get on it

not that you can, just that theoretically you could.

BonViv, good shout, I have to go but hope to catch up with you and don tomorrow/soon, gn.

perhaps i dont look so crazy to everyone else now

Er, yes you do. hth

perhaps i dont look so crazy to everyone else now

Er, yes you do. hth

In your opinion. To not question would be crazy imo.

Peace enfolds the still night air

Now there is this pyramid flying over Moscow as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuanP2P41_I

Spiral in Norway - Now compare that with THIS ancient art:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/04images/Paintings/Annunciation_Crivelli_Carlo_02.jpg

(Feast of the Immaculate Conception on Dec 8th.....which it still was in some of the world....)



Chicken or Egg though - did the painting predict the spiral or is someone trying to fulfil a prophecy? no coincidence Obama is in Norway ....

in the big picture of things of what current powers that be want you to think, in due course when obama is ousted etc they want people to recognise him as a false prophet from within the bible. the great deceiver etc. they will say these lights etc are jesus returning to reclaim things and ensure the removal of the great deceiver.

no, obama is out. he is a decoy, so when he is removed people (the majority of conspiracy theorists, and the religious etc) think good has overcome evil. obama is to represent evil.