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u seriously think the whole climate change issue has been cooked up by governments as an excuse to raise taxes???
god help us
god help us
Tevez is God 07 Dec 17:22
and where is that, EMR?
out of thin air tev.
and where is that, EMR?
out of thin air tev.
the irrationality of human beings never ceases to amaze...
Sir Denis Eton-Hogg 07 Dec 17:23
u seriously think the whole climate change issue has been cooked up by governments as an excuse to raise taxes???
god help us
yep, its an easy way to get taxes.
u seriously think the whole climate change issue has been cooked up by governments as an excuse to raise taxes???
god help us
yep, its an easy way to get taxes.
Changing - yes clearly.
Man-made and can we make a difference? - not convinced at all.
Should we try? - to some extent yes.
What must we do? - adapt to live with the changes such as relocate away from flood areas and adapt housing to minimise flood damage etc. Withdraw from fossil fuels and consume less.
Man-made and can we make a difference? - not convinced at all.
Should we try? - to some extent yes.
What must we do? - adapt to live with the changes such as relocate away from flood areas and adapt housing to minimise flood damage etc. Withdraw from fossil fuels and consume less.
Withdraw from fossil fuels
aaah - u make it sound so easy!! :^0
aaah - u make it sound so easy!! :^0
Sir Denis Eton-Hogg records only go back to the last 50yrs if that, so how can they say this has never happened since the earth was created then.
ice core records go back thousands of years - just one example
must be true....ive seen photos of polar bears on ice flows.
one of the main problems is that the average joe has absolutely no concept of basic earth history. global temperatures HAVE fluctuated in the past but this is (roughly speaking) every few million years or so. for THE VAST MAJORITY of the past global temps have been very constant. the fact that they are changing so rapidly JUST AT THE SAME TIME THAT MAN IS PUMPING CO2 INTO THE AIR is a remarkable coincidence if not man-made
so all this rain and floods are only happening now then???? read the bristol channel floods of 1607.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Channel_floods,_1607
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Channel_floods,_1607
All I can deduce from this thread is hogg must be right & anyone who disagrees with him should be put in a straightjacket.
oh for god's sake. of course there's been floods in the past. its a question of degree
Until the government implement one of the many ideas that could reduce CO2 emmissions without costing me more money, I will ignore their pleas for help.
is yr name really supposed to read 'untied'?
anyone apparently willing to ignore so much evidence that climate change is happening probably should be in a straightjacket, i agree
have a read of this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_disasters_in_the_United_Kingdom
what happened to the story that 75% Antarctic ice is increasing, only the 25% near Chile is receding?
no-ones denying there has been floods and stuff in the past u clown
when its hot they say its climate warming, when it rains they say its climate change. they are changing their minds every f^cking year. look at that list of disasters and you will find that we get cold winters about every 20yrs apart. its the nature of this planet nothing else.
Sir Denis Eton-Hogg 07 Dec 17:45
no-ones denying there has been floods and stuff in the past u clown
well you seem so clever, wot do you think it is. is it global warming or climate change and wots causing it. and have you got records going back to the creation of this planet. post the link if you got them
no-ones denying there has been floods and stuff in the past u clown
well you seem so clever, wot do you think it is. is it global warming or climate change and wots causing it. and have you got records going back to the creation of this planet. post the link if you got them
if u represent the views of the general public then we really are stuffed!
Sadly, many people do think that way.
Cynicism seems to be a national trait these days, can be quite funny, but when its an instinctive reaction to anything people dont understand or agree with, its dangerous.
Cynicism seems to be a national trait these days, can be quite funny, but when its an instinctive reaction to anything people dont understand or agree with, its dangerous.
Sir Denis Eton-Hogg 07 Dec 17:52
if u represent the views of the general public then we really are stuffed!
and there are too many idiots like you about, if its not the weather its something else. PC brigade gone mad.
if u represent the views of the general public then we really are stuffed!
and there are too many idiots like you about, if its not the weather its something else. PC brigade gone mad.
Cynicism - oneof the higher forms of intelligence imo.
hogg, you be saying next that noah worked for the met office
Overpopulation will take us down long before the Climate gets a say in it.
undisputable mans impact on climate change only neanderthals disagree.IMO
Tevez is God 07 Dec 17:22
and where is that, EMR?
out of thin air tev.
Well that's a surprise - I thought for a moment you were going to say you had spent millions of dollars and taken years of painstaking scientific research to enable you arrive at your expert conclusion
and where is that, EMR?
out of thin air tev.
Well that's a surprise - I thought for a moment you were going to say you had spent millions of dollars and taken years of painstaking scientific research to enable you arrive at your expert conclusion
from another forum.
Status of IPCC contributors. The programme asserts that it is falsely stated that "2,500 top scientists" support the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)'s reports on the theory of man-made global warming. In fact, according to the programme, the report includes many politicians and non-scientists, and even dissenters who demanded that their names be removed from the report but were refused.
Accuracy of representation of IPCC contributors. The film argues that IPCC reports misrepresent the views of scientists who contribute to them through selective editorialising. The film highlights the case of Paul Reiter of the Pasteur Institute who complained that the IPCC did not take his professional opinion under greater consideration. It states that the IPCC kept his name on the report as a contributor and did not remove his name until he threatened legal action.
Suppression of dissenting views. According to the programme, the concept of man-made global warming is promoted with a ferocity and intensity that is similar to a religious fervor. Sceptics are treated as heretics and equated with holocaust deniers. Retired university professor Tim Ball states in the film (and in subsequent press publicity) that he has received death threats because of sceptical statements he has made about global warming.
Status of IPCC contributors. The programme asserts that it is falsely stated that "2,500 top scientists" support the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)'s reports on the theory of man-made global warming. In fact, according to the programme, the report includes many politicians and non-scientists, and even dissenters who demanded that their names be removed from the report but were refused.
Accuracy of representation of IPCC contributors. The film argues that IPCC reports misrepresent the views of scientists who contribute to them through selective editorialising. The film highlights the case of Paul Reiter of the Pasteur Institute who complained that the IPCC did not take his professional opinion under greater consideration. It states that the IPCC kept his name on the report as a contributor and did not remove his name until he threatened legal action.
Suppression of dissenting views. According to the programme, the concept of man-made global warming is promoted with a ferocity and intensity that is similar to a religious fervor. Sceptics are treated as heretics and equated with holocaust deniers. Retired university professor Tim Ball states in the film (and in subsequent press publicity) that he has received death threats because of sceptical statements he has made about global warming.
ICE HOUSE or HOT HOUSE?
During the last 2 billion years the Earth's climate has alternated between a frigid "Ice House", like today's world, and a steaming "Hot House", like the world of the dinosaurs.
This chart shows how global climate has changed through time.
http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm
Try the above link, scroll down and look at the chart on page 1
Over the past 2billion years Earth has been very much warmer than it is today for 98% of the time - thats right - 98%- WITH AVERAGE WORLDWIDE TEMPERATURES OF 25c for great eons of time - 50% +
THATS AVERAGE !
And look at the steepness of the graphs re switches to iceage and back!- far greater change than we are seeing now.
Now- if want to manipulate climate for our own needs - thats fine and dandy - but no one should believe that the global temperature that we have enjoyed in our lifetime to date is anything other than an unusualy cool period .
Please have a look and post your thoughts - does this seem to contradict what we are being told?
During the last 2 billion years the Earth's climate has alternated between a frigid "Ice House", like today's world, and a steaming "Hot House", like the world of the dinosaurs.
This chart shows how global climate has changed through time.
http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm
Try the above link, scroll down and look at the chart on page 1
Over the past 2billion years Earth has been very much warmer than it is today for 98% of the time - thats right - 98%- WITH AVERAGE WORLDWIDE TEMPERATURES OF 25c for great eons of time - 50% +
THATS AVERAGE !
And look at the steepness of the graphs re switches to iceage and back!- far greater change than we are seeing now.
Now- if want to manipulate climate for our own needs - thats fine and dandy - but no one should believe that the global temperature that we have enjoyed in our lifetime to date is anything other than an unusualy cool period .
Please have a look and post your thoughts - does this seem to contradict what we are being told?
If there was any truth behind the MMCC theory then Prof Jones wouldn't have needed to alter his figures. Why would he need to lie if it was a cut and dried subject. This guy has placed his entire career on the line by telling a pack of lies (in fact he's flushed it down the pan)... why would he do that? Here's a thought... maybe he did it to hide the fact that CC wasn't as cut and dried as he tried to make out.
The climate changing? Yes, it's pretty obvious. Man made climate change? Rubbish.
Some people have been watching too many re-runs of Total Recall... terra forming planets? Easy peasy, just buy a car.
The climate changing? Yes, it's pretty obvious. Man made climate change? Rubbish.
Some people have been watching too many re-runs of Total Recall... terra forming planets? Easy peasy, just buy a car.
There weren't 6 billion people on the planet, then ffs!
No one is disputing natural climate change occurs. But it does so over timescales of thousands of years, due to astrophysical cycles, known as the Milankovitch cycles.
No one is disputing natural climate change occurs. But it does so over timescales of thousands of years, due to astrophysical cycles, known as the Milankovitch cycles.
I had a Raleigh cycle when I was a kid, yours sounds posher than mine was.
There was once no atmospheric oxygen - algae and then plants changed this over a long period- so life on earth can and does make CC
But- just because the current CC may not be mainly due to mans activities does not mean that we should be diverted from clean energy projects - poluting the planet- or poisoning the seas to the extent that they become more acidic and trigger another mass extinction event is not a wise course to be on.
But- just because the current CC may not be mainly due to mans activities does not mean that we should be diverted from clean energy projects - poluting the planet- or poisoning the seas to the extent that they become more acidic and trigger another mass extinction event is not a wise course to be on.
Does anyone know if there were predictions for what would be happening with the climate now in 2009 made in the 1990s?
wur- check out the graph- my post above- the switch from cool to hot has- in the past - been a lot more rapid than you seem to suggest
as for 6 billion now - and 9 billion by 2050 - its total and utter madness - but no religion or politition will stand up and give guidance on our need to halve our population of this finite world
as for 6 billion now - and 9 billion by 2050 - its total and utter madness - but no religion or politition will stand up and give guidance on our need to halve our population of this finite world
its quite a puzzle tho...
CFC's have created the ozone hole around the south pole - which has a cooling effect
but the hole is closing now
which will accelerate warming of antarctica
CFC's have created the ozone hole around the south pole - which has a cooling effect
but the hole is closing now
which will accelerate warming of antarctica
Perhaps we (US and NATO) should nuke Brazil, India and China... a pre-emptive mass attack should take 'em all out and will eventually save mankind. Driving 5 miles less each week and building a few wind farms ain't gonna do it!
and next year if we get a good summer them climate people will say its due to global warming and if we get a cold jan/feb they will say its climate change. bet they got clothes for all occasions lol
Chinese govt is cutting its emissions 45%.
Are they part of the famous world wide conspiracy to raise taxes? They can force their citizens to only have one child. They can do what they want.
Perhaps they are spending billiions for a laugh.
Are they part of the famous world wide conspiracy to raise taxes? They can force their citizens to only have one child. They can do what they want.
Perhaps they are spending billiions for a laugh.
You have to take note when while the Bush administration was suppressing research and claiming everything was fine. The Pentagon was drawing up climate change strategies. Just for fun of course.
It's true the Summers have been dire for god knows how long, the last one was absolutely the worst ever.
No Doubt the believers in it have other criteria but when we did have 10 days of very hot weather (in an otherwise feeble summer) during 2003 it was all 'This is Global Warming:It's Happening Right Now!'' , so wtf has it been since?
No Doubt the believers in it have other criteria but when we did have 10 days of very hot weather (in an otherwise feeble summer) during 2003 it was all 'This is Global Warming:It's Happening Right Now!'' , so wtf has it been since?
Do I believe in global warming - yes
Is it man-made or is man largely responsible - no
Is it man-made or is man largely responsible - no
if you have analysed the collected data, and reached the conclusion that it currently doesn't support the hypothesis that increased CO2 and methane emissions have an effect on our climate then by all means feel free to share your views.
otherwise the question is do i believe in the scientific process and the analysis of the world's leading climatologists, to which the answer is: yes.
otherwise the question is do i believe in the scientific process and the analysis of the world's leading climatologists, to which the answer is: yes.
dont all those global warming/climate change people dress alike, they are like the sun you can tell them a mile away. either they are wearing dirty jeans and scruffy shirts. or they are wearing green check shirts and cord trousers who go out picking mushrooms. if they are really concerned about co2 emissions wot are they doing on here. they should show an example to all of us and knock off their pc/tv's and sit watching their paint dry on their walls.
tober, I'll think you'll find that is the paper headlines and not the scientists.
they hate the soundbite headlines as much as you do.
If you think you can take nearly the planets entire resource of oil and gas, laid down over millions of years and burn it in a 75 year period (majority of it burned in the last 40) and think it won't have an effect then where do you think it all goes?
The ppoint of a complex dynamic ecosystem is thats its all about checks and balances it doesn't take much to send it spiraling into a new regime. As gamblers we should know this more than most.
they hate the soundbite headlines as much as you do.
If you think you can take nearly the planets entire resource of oil and gas, laid down over millions of years and burn it in a 75 year period (majority of it burned in the last 40) and think it won't have an effect then where do you think it all goes?
The ppoint of a complex dynamic ecosystem is thats its all about checks and balances it doesn't take much to send it spiraling into a new regime. As gamblers we should know this more than most.
never believed scientist since they said we were all going to die of AIDS.
and how have you made a computer out of twigs and created your own broadband out of rabbit entrails in your mud hut?
Chinese govt is cutting its emissions 45%.
Are they part of the famous world wide conspiracy to raise taxes? They can force their citizens to only have one child. They can do what they want.
Perhaps they are spending billiions for a laugh.
like here- what they say and what they actually do can be 2 different things.
re spending - it is not their money is it- its taxes from the people. where do u think all the money goes- its to private businesses (who owns these? legislators and there buddies) to enourage green products etc. so taxpayer money funds pivate enterprise = said enterprise benefitting rather a lot!
aside from that, they, like here, intend to force energy prices up, pricing the masses out of the market to some degree, thus reducing consumption. they will not be reducing their consumption personally however- just ask al gore - the rule is for u not them.
Are they part of the famous world wide conspiracy to raise taxes? They can force their citizens to only have one child. They can do what they want.
Perhaps they are spending billiions for a laugh.
like here- what they say and what they actually do can be 2 different things.
re spending - it is not their money is it- its taxes from the people. where do u think all the money goes- its to private businesses (who owns these? legislators and there buddies) to enourage green products etc. so taxpayer money funds pivate enterprise = said enterprise benefitting rather a lot!
aside from that, they, like here, intend to force energy prices up, pricing the masses out of the market to some degree, thus reducing consumption. they will not be reducing their consumption personally however- just ask al gore - the rule is for u not them.
dstyle ...if you were around in the 80s you would knoe.
Well I guess everyone just ignored their advice and kept having unprotected sex.
re swine flu - they plan to escalate fear about that in due course saying its gone airborne. people wll then stay inside and not protest everything else that is hppening. of course deaths will be increasing but that willbe because the vaccine people have taken has given it to them. sits in the system til activated.
ok Zola , yes it probably was Tabloid stuff
though i'm sure i have heard from scientists that UK Summers would be significantly hotter as a result (and been hearing this for over 10 years) , and this hasn't happened yet, and wondered when it would take effect.
though i'm sure i have heard from scientists that UK Summers would be significantly hotter as a result (and been hearing this for over 10 years) , and this hasn't happened yet, and wondered when it would take effect.
i can remember when most houses had chimneys with smoke coming from them. i wonder how much co2 was coming from them. so was there more co2 then when most people in the last 150yrs was burning coal/wood/peat. dont forget the great industrial revolution was fired on coal and so was WW1 and WW2.
zola - more scientist disagree with global warming than agree. you're just not hearig the voices of the dissenters who are being marginalised and squeezed out.
Solid proof
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http://francetourguide.blogsome.com/wp-admin/images/Les%20Bleus.jpg
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tobermory 07 Dec 19:02
ok Zola , yes it probably was Tabloid stuff
though i'm sure i have heard from scientists that UK Summers would be significantly hotter as a result (and been hearing this for over 10 years) , and this hasn't happened yet, and wondered when it would take effect.
i'm still waiting for the promised summers like spain that they said was coming to the uk. and to think i bought suntan lotion in bulk on their false promises.
ok Zola , yes it probably was Tabloid stuff
though i'm sure i have heard from scientists that UK Summers would be significantly hotter as a result (and been hearing this for over 10 years) , and this hasn't happened yet, and wondered when it would take effect.
i'm still waiting for the promised summers like spain that they said was coming to the uk. and to think i bought suntan lotion in bulk on their false promises.
i'm sure the 25 million dead, and the 35 million infected reckon they must have been talking rubbish as well. and that the 35 million infected who don't trust scientists don't touch any of the retroviral drugs available today. in case they don't work. or are poisoned.
What will happen is that the odds of getting record temperature years will increase, until any particular year becomes an evens shot.
The models predict increasing rises from now on. The evidence backs it up:
In fact, most of the recent evidence reported from around the world suggests that the effects of global warming are occurring much faster than forecast: Arctic sea ice, for example, has shrunk in summer to levels not expected until around 2050. There is remarkably little evidence pointing in the other direction: if it were there to be found, the enormous fossil-fuel interests that stand to lose from emission controls would surely finance research to uncover it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6729732/Cop...
The models predict increasing rises from now on. The evidence backs it up:
In fact, most of the recent evidence reported from around the world suggests that the effects of global warming are occurring much faster than forecast: Arctic sea ice, for example, has shrunk in summer to levels not expected until around 2050. There is remarkably little evidence pointing in the other direction: if it were there to be found, the enormous fossil-fuel interests that stand to lose from emission controls would surely finance research to uncover it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6729732/Cop...
DStyle 07 Dec 19:11
i'm sure the 25 million dead, and the 35 million infected reckon they must have been talking rubbish as well. and that the 35 million infected who don't trust scientists don't touch any of the retroviral drugs available today. in case they don't work. or are poisoned.
I BLAME ALL THIS AIDS ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND GLOBAL WARMING BUT THE SCIENTISTS WONT BELIEVE ME.
i'm sure the 25 million dead, and the 35 million infected reckon they must have been talking rubbish as well. and that the 35 million infected who don't trust scientists don't touch any of the retroviral drugs available today. in case they don't work. or are poisoned.
I BLAME ALL THIS AIDS ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND GLOBAL WARMING BUT THE SCIENTISTS WONT BELIEVE ME.
zola - more scientist disagree with global warming than agree. you're just not hearig the voices of the dissenters who are being marginalised and squeezed out.
There are not more scientists who disagree. Total lie. Don't start quoting that shonky petition at me, it's complete horse** and most decent sceptics stopped using it long ago.
Unless Ronald McDonald and M.Mouse are now respected climatologists.
There are not more scientists who disagree. Total lie. Don't start quoting that shonky petition at me, it's complete horse** and most decent sceptics stopped using it long ago.
Unless Ronald McDonald and M.Mouse are now respected climatologists.
Don, I don't agree or disagree with any particular scientists. I have been in the position to see the raw data for myself and it convinces me.
As for chimneys and the industrial revolution...
i) thats not on the scale of recent history but thats where it started
ii) all the chimneys of today are effectively collated and relocated into powerstations so the vast increase power people use is out of sight and mind - they're still there just sanitised and not in each house
As for chimneys and the industrial revolution...
i) thats not on the scale of recent history but thats where it started
ii) all the chimneys of today are effectively collated and relocated into powerstations so the vast increase power people use is out of sight and mind - they're still there just sanitised and not in each house
Ghostdog 07 Dec 19:13
What will happen is that the odds of getting record temperature years will increase, until any particular year becomes an evens shot.
The models predict increasing rises from now on. The evidence backs it up:
In fact, most of the recent evidence reported from around the world suggests that the effects of global warming are occurring much faster than forecast: Arctic sea ice, for example, has shrunk in summer to levels not expected until around 2050. There is remarkably little evidence pointing in the other direction: if it were there to be found, the enormous fossil-fuel interests that stand to lose from emission controls would surely finance research to uncover it.
good news for the special betting betfair punters then, they have been trying to win money on the temp reaching 100f for years, so hang in there boys you might win one day within another 10yrs.
What will happen is that the odds of getting record temperature years will increase, until any particular year becomes an evens shot.
The models predict increasing rises from now on. The evidence backs it up:
In fact, most of the recent evidence reported from around the world suggests that the effects of global warming are occurring much faster than forecast: Arctic sea ice, for example, has shrunk in summer to levels not expected until around 2050. There is remarkably little evidence pointing in the other direction: if it were there to be found, the enormous fossil-fuel interests that stand to lose from emission controls would surely finance research to uncover it.
good news for the special betting betfair punters then, they have been trying to win money on the temp reaching 100f for years, so hang in there boys you might win one day within another 10yrs.
WELL I'M NOT CONVINCED OFF ALL THIS GLOBAL WARMING/CLIMATE CHANGE RUBBISH AND I WONT BE BRAINWASHED LIKE SOME OF THE IDIOTS ON HERE THAT HAVE. SO YOU CAN STICK YOUR YOUR GLOBALWARMING/CLIMATE CHANGE THEORIES WHERE THE SUN DONT SHINE.
ghostdog - on one of the threads on this on politics last week i provided u with proof re numbers of scientists. u did not answer , and im not surprised.
re raw data someone mentioned - well you are privileged to see that since half of it was discarded in the 80s. they dont have the raw data - they are calling adusted figures raw, and provide no basis for how the adjustment is calcd.
re raw data someone mentioned - well you are privileged to see that since half of it was discarded in the 80s. they dont have the raw data - they are calling adusted figures raw, and provide no basis for how the adjustment is calcd.
don is a conspiracy theorist, evidence only works when it's on his side. It's impossible to argue with people who think all mainstream evidence is faked. The modern world stops if that happens.
That's why I gave up posting on this in the politics forum, it's just a saloon bar circle jerk where they all pull each other off for being Jeremy Clarkson style 'rebels'.
If anybody thinks the IPCC are all liars and fakes, or that the peer review is a con, go to this blog and you can have it out with some of the people who worked on it. GOOD LUCK, because they are fkig hacked off with it, IN SPADES.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/12/how-to-be-a-real-sceptic/
That's why I gave up posting on this in the politics forum, it's just a saloon bar circle jerk where they all pull each other off for being Jeremy Clarkson style 'rebels'.
If anybody thinks the IPCC are all liars and fakes, or that the peer review is a con, go to this blog and you can have it out with some of the people who worked on it. GOOD LUCK, because they are fkig hacked off with it, IN SPADES.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/12/how-to-be-a-real-sceptic/
the evidence i provided you explained how what you are referring to as evidence is in fact made up sht.
tbh you stink of vested interest.
tbh you stink of vested interest.
Ghostdog go spout your rubbish on another forum, there's too much gas being spouted on this forum has it is without your help
the ipcc is bull - they edited 60% of reviewers comments. only 600 of the 2500 scientists were involved in the section dealing with causes of climate change and on future predictions. only 7 were involved in every chapter of that sections - 90%commented on just one section.
so ipcc is in short relying on a handful of opinions. and lets not forget the work it cites as backing up its assertions is written by.. ipcc authors! lol. coulnt make it up.
in usa there are 9000 phd scientists who disagree. 30000 other scientists signed on too to that arguement. in australia and new zealand there have been further leaks re data ot matching as it should. in finland they found the ipcc reversed their findings when adding it to the report.
and lets not ignore that yes west antarcitca is shrikning in terms of ice. east antarctica though, which is much bigger anyway, is GROWING.
so ipcc is in short relying on a handful of opinions. and lets not forget the work it cites as backing up its assertions is written by.. ipcc authors! lol. coulnt make it up.
in usa there are 9000 phd scientists who disagree. 30000 other scientists signed on too to that arguement. in australia and new zealand there have been further leaks re data ot matching as it should. in finland they found the ipcc reversed their findings when adding it to the report.
and lets not ignore that yes west antarcitca is shrikning in terms of ice. east antarctica though, which is much bigger anyway, is GROWING.
these "conspiracies" have all been drawn either from recent leaked emails, or from government released figures. what are you basing your sht on? :)
emr why don't you go and fcuk yourself. Your postings on this thread are either fishing or retarded.
nice response. some good debate.
i posted in a much more detail with sources on previous thread where we discussed this. you disappeared. now you resurface and still you cant argue with the points.
ON YOUR WAY :)
i posted in a much more detail with sources on previous thread where we discussed this. you disappeared. now you resurface and still you cant argue with the points.
ON YOUR WAY :)
sry just realised you were talking to someone else. emr looked like a typo... ie 'erm
lol
lol
THE NEXT THING THEM CLIMATECHANGE/GLOBAL WARMING BRAINWASHED WILL BE SAYING IS THAT THE GRASS WAS GREENER 10YRS AGO THAT IT IS NOW.
The IPCC is a review of the existing peer reviewed literature from CLIMATE JOURNALS.
Your numbers are dreck. The 9000 phds are from that stupid petition you cannot stop using. End of.
Your numbers are dreck. The 9000 phds are from that stupid petition you cannot stop using. End of.
believe whatever you want ghostdog.
i pity your naivity.
i pity your naivity.
the numbers i quote re the reviewers of the ipcc work have been officially released. pleb.
DonWarro give it up m8, you cant win an argument with the brainwashed and braindead. tunnel vision is all that they have got.
i know i know- just cant help myself- hate seeing people being taken advantage of
and don, we will end up paying extra taxes for their ill-founded beliefs thats the sad part about it.
yeh. i dont pay any tax on income, only tax through purchases, but i think this will be a huge burden on prices.
at least i have it planned to move abroad a year from now though :)
at least i have it planned to move abroad a year from now though :)
First its 'global warming', then when its not warming, its 'climate change'.
What a load of horsesh1t. Just another propogana scam to take more of our £££'s away. £1 for reuseable carrier bags, different colored wheelie bins etc.
Congrats to the mugs who are falling for it and ruining life even more for the rest of us. To$$ers.
What a load of horsesh1t. Just another propogana scam to take more of our £££'s away. £1 for reuseable carrier bags, different colored wheelie bins etc.
Congrats to the mugs who are falling for it and ruining life even more for the rest of us. To$$ers.
Ace High... it's not climate change anymore, it's now titled "climate chaos".
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