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A fabulous performance by Galopin Des Champ and if in anything like that form only the fences or bad luck can get him beat in March.
Stateman was also impressive and is so consistent that if nothing else he’s a good yardstick by which to rate Constitution Hill. After a poor Boxing Day Willie Mullins team really came to the party and there were loafs of nice novice performances from the likes of Ballyburn, Jade De Grugy, Fact To File, Gaelic Warrior, Grangeclare West etc, though so hard to be sure which race at Cheltenham they will be targeted at. Marine Nationale made a very satisfactory start to his chasing career but odds on after that one run is not tempting me, for all the opposition is looking thin. At Newbury and Cheltenham there was little to get excited about. Really hard to see the Challow winner Captain Teague finishing in the same parish as the Irish. Jeriko Du Reponet won nicely but 5/1 for the Supreme looks bonkers when horses like Farren Glory and King of Kingsfield are 16/1 or bigger. At Cheltenham Stage Star blew out and with Allaho not looking anything like the horse of two seasons ago the Ryanair looks wide open. I was pleased they pulled Envoi Allen out of the Savills but after seeing what GDC did to that field surely Bravemansgame should be rerouted to the Ryanair. 20/1 available or 8/1 nrnb. One other horse I will mention is Inothewayurthinkin with a view to the Grand Annual. After winning his first two novice hurdles he was campaigned in graded races and fell just short, and a similar thing is happening with his chase career. No disgrace in being beaten by Imagine (Grade 2 winner since) and twice by Gaelic Warrior. McManus often aims one like this at the Grand Annusl and it’s usually very well punted. Dinoblye, Andy Dufresne Entoucas and Ned Buntline all finished second in their novice seasons. Gavin Cromwell having a golden spell at Cheltenham as well so can easily see this going off as favourite. 12/1 nrnb with Hills. |
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Mullins race targets about to warm up now, His comments about stepping FV up in trip interesting with Gaelic Warrior already a strong fav in the Turners and GW heading the market in the RSA. Even money about MN might appear big come the day, market looks full of horses that won't be turning up and looks like another small field, perhaps Blood Destiny after an impressive debut at 12/1 E/W could be something with perhaps the likely small field.
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Will Hill NRNB with the usual miserly prices. Worth keeping an eye out, though. If they go shorter on here
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cant back anything on that billys site ,they have changed the format and i cant figga it out .prob saved me a few quid tbh.
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Bunting (Triumph) from the same stable that won with Vauban; Mr Bloom (Energumene) owns him. He's running in the Dublin festival next month, and 7/1 nrnb (billie) or 12 here.
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WTF were they doing with Letsbeclearaboutit today ffs, he wants to go out in trip, his asset is his jumping is a 3 mile heavy ground winner and placed in the AB, but he's one paced, so they drop him back in trip and hold him up for a turn of foot???? which he hated btw and his jumping went to pot...that is one hell of a head scratcher
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A couple of big novice hurdles in Ireland and normal service resumed with Mullins dominating.
Something that hasn’t been mentioned is the relatively poor form of the Elliot stable since Christmas. The Lawlors Of Naas was won by the 16/1 shot Reading Tommy Wrong who beat his much better fancied stablemate Ile Atlantique. I think the most significant part of the result was that it make Ballyburn the clear Mullins number 1 for the Ballymore, despite there having been a big move for him for the Supreme. Firefox was well beaten in 4th, patently not staying. He’d shown so much pace when beating Ballyburn over 2m that he is surely going to be dropped back to that trip now. And as I say the Elliot yard is not firing at all so I will definitely give him another chance. On Sunday at Punchestown Mystical Power was a taking winner of the Moscow Flyer though with only 4 runners it maybe didn’t take a lot of winning. He’s now 9/2 favourite for the Supreme and certainly has better credentials than Jeriko Du Reponet. |
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Thank you, as always, for your interesting comments Uncle.
I really can't make my mind up about Mystical Power. Not sure he beat much on Sunday. Jumped poorly in the first third of the race, but after a long time off track. Jumped well at the business end. Looked in trouble coming round the home turn, then put the others away readily. Will stay well in the Supreme. Price must be influenced by his uber powerful connections and pedigree. Poor speed rating on Sunday, apparently. Nothing has really caught my imagination yet for the Supreme, and the race still doesn't seem to have taken shape. I'm starting to wonder if Farren Glory is the overpriced one, despite Elliot's relatively poor record with 2 mile hurdlers. Won one grade 1 and fell late in another when going best - that looks OK with little standout form in the field. As always, the race at the DRF will be hugely informative. |
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I hope so Strontium , backed Farren for both just in case , but though I had thought how well he was going when he fell , I didnt realise quite how bad it looked , so glad to see him entered at Leopardstown .
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Thanks for the kind comment Strontium.
I noticed the Spirting Life review of the weekend action and it’s relevance to Cheltenham by Graham Northmentions the poor form of the Elliot string over the last few weeks. I said earlier in the thread that the Royal Bond one-two were overpriced but I backed King Of Kingsfield at 44/1. Partly because it was a really nasty looking fall by Farren Glory and I’d want to see him show no I’ll effects before backing him, and secondly because I’m a sucker for strong travelling bridle horses that don’t find much as it makes things so exciting. ![]() KofK reminds me of Abacadabdras who got chinned by Shiskin in the Supreme after looking all over the winner. ![]() ![]() |
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A good days racing at Cheltenham and Doncaster with the Irish dominating the top races which will surely continue at the Festival in March.
Jonbon got turned over at 1/4 after an appalling round of jumping. I stated earlier in the thread the only way to ride him is aggressively from the front but again they held him up behind the pacesetters and he was way below par. El Fabiolo just needs to turn up and jump a clear round on this evidence. The Cleeve was a great watch with the usual suspects all bang there at the last but surely one of Elliots at the top of the market will have too much class for the old boys unless it's very attritional. Lossiemouth bolted in against a very weak field and could easily be a player in future Champion Hurdles like Honeysuckle and Annie Power were. The Mares Hurdle looks a penalty kick although it is over an extra half mile which might give the opposition some hope. Sir Gino was super impressive in the Triumph trial and unless one of the lightly raced Mullins horses can put up a similar performance at the Dublin Racing Festival he looks a solid favourite. He's a strapping individual and looks a good one for next years Arkle. Over at Fairyhouse Jade De Gruchy won easily again and she will be hard to beat in the Mares Novice - 4/1 is fair. Jack Kennedy was on The Road To Cheltenham and interestingly he had no hesitation in saying he would pick Firefox over Farrens Glory and King Of Kingsfield in the Supreme. Hopefully some of the Mullins running plans, especially with his novices, may become more clear after the Dublin Racing festival. |
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How did you rate Ashroe Diamond, Uncle? I thought she probably had tougher opposition than Lossiemouth (a couple of proper Grade 1 mares compared with a bunch of second-raters). AD also stays 2 1/2 miles for sure. We don't know the relative fitness of the horses, but AD beat Gala Marceau by about as much as Lossiemouth beat her twice last season. Lossiemouth does have Cheltenham and Festival form, which AD does not.
Overall, Lossiemouth was super-impressive on the eye yesterday, but I wonder if the relative prices on here (L 1.9/AD 7.4) are right? The horses could be closer together than that. There is also the possibility Lossiemouth goes for the Champion - Rich Richi says she won't, but we all know it's not really up to him. And what if Constitution Hill's bad scope turns out to be something more serious? |
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Ashfield Diamond won well but WM did say he felt the race conditions (track, trip, ground) were all in her favour and that Gala Marceau would need the run. The only surprise was the betting with GM going off favourite.
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Interesting, thanks Uncle. I believe Patrick is desperate to ride AD at the festival, but is he in favour at the moment?
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Two great days of racing coming up at Leopardstown which should shed plenty of light on Cheltenham targets.
The usual Mullins mind games starting already with Gaelic Warrior, no doubt won’t be the last. I thought Il Etait Temps was a fair e/w bet at 20/1 in the Arkle trial. Won the Grade 1 novice hurdle on this card last year and gave Gaelic Warrior a bit of a race at Christmas. I was hoping King Of Kingsfield would go for the old Ladbroke H’cp hurdle but he is in the Grade 1 novice which looks the most interesting race of the weekend. Have no problem with Ballyburn being favourite but odds on seems too short given the strength of the field. |
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A very pleasing result.
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Massive stokes being pulled at DRF yesterday
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Well the DRF played out pretty much as expected as a WPM benefit.
Not sure we learned a whole lot that we didn't already know - GDC, El Fabiolo and Statesman all won quite impressively but didn't really enhance their Cheltenham claims in the process. There were only two really impressive winners, though sadly Jeroboam Machin is out for the season with an injury, and Ballyburn who still has two options, though I will be surprised if he doesn't go for the Supreme. Was delighted with the run of Slade Steel in second and he surely deserves to be favourite for the Ballymore if Ballyburn is absent. Kargese won a very competitive looking Triumph trial fairly decisively and while Sir Gino looks a monster she seems overpriced at double figures on here - even if only a cover bet. The long distance novice hurdle was won by outsider Dancing King at 16/1 but not sure any of them looked like Cheltenham winners. The Arkle trial went as I had hoped and has blown the race wide open. Marine National was beaten a long way out and while the trainer is claiming it was just the ground and suggesting we will see a different horse at Cheltenham it would take a brave man to take what is still a bad price. Kevin Blake in particular was very vocal that the horse may be gone due to breathing issues.The front two both have their chance and tbh I'd favour Found A Fifty at Cheltenham though in no rush to back him yet. Facile Vega ran a bit better but might step up in trip. Fact Or File won a match that turned into a walkover nearly a mile from home so very difficult to know what he achieved. The time was apparently very good and he is clearly a nice prospect but he is very short and what race does he go for? With the news Grangeclare West is out do they step him up to 3m for the Brown Advisory, and run Facile Vega in the Turners? What they do with Gaelic Warrior is anyones guess?? |
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Henry de Bromhead has revealed that exciting novice chaser Inthepocket is back in training and, while not committing to anything, has refused to rule out the prospect of the JP McManus-owned Grade 1 winner making next month's Cheltenham Festival.
Another JP horse that has made an amazing recovery!!!! |
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An impressive win by Tullyhill at Punchestown and as he would be Paul Townshends ride in a Supreme, unlike Mystical Power, maybe that will have Mullins divert Ballyburn back to the Ballymore (or whatever it's called).
Also interesting to read that Henry De Bromhead does not want to take on Ballyburn again with Slade Steel so that could mean SS is switched to the Supreme in the backwash. |
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Im convinced Bally runs on Weds, backed Tully at 8 and 7 after todays race for Supreme, if im right about Bally, Tully will be short on the day
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Should Ballyburn go for the Ballymore there will be less than ten runners, and he will be a shorter price than he ever would have been for a Supreme.
This Ballymore or Supreme question has been the biggest nonsense of the jump season. Even though he has looked like the Ballymore winner before the season even started, it seemed he might be thrown at the shorter race purely because the stable jock isn't on a fancied horse? That has never made any sense. He's the best novice, and you just run him over a trip that suits, not one you think he might be able to get away with. That would just give him the best chance of not winning either race. Hopefully, today's result is a nudge towards sanity. |
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Obviously you watched the DRF race with blinkers
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Is Hendo reading the bookies' paper too diligently? He'd not understand the criticism levied on Shishkin, and some looking for chinks in Constitution Hill.
Mr Henderson, just chill! The bookies' stooges are merely writing for their paymasters. Constitution Hill is as certain as taxes (nrnb). I think - on a going day - Shishkin is as comfortable usurping GDC in the Gold Cup as China usurping the USA as the world's leading economy in the near future. And, the forgotten Jeriko Du Reponet is now at a backable price for The Supreme. All good Hendo. Go out and let your hair down! |
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Not at all, but there are probably a few Supreme backers who appear unwilling to take their blinkers off.
That was a shocking Grade 1 with two stayers pulling clear, and Ballyburn doing no more than confirm bumper form with Slade Steel. The second favourite ran no race at all, and the rest are very likely a bunch of handicappers. Even though he had the run of the race (which he wouldn't have in a Supreme, but would in a Ballymore) he wasn't pulling away from the second at the line, and relatively speaking he produced the weakest finish of his career. Almost certainly that was due to going faster than a staying horse would want to ideally go in the early stages. Clearly a load of pundits (who had probably taken a flyer on him going Supreme) tried to pretend the performance was something special. It wasn't, it wasn't as impressive as when he bolted up at Christmas over a far more suitable trip. There is absolutely no chance that the horse is a two-miler. Before today he was looking at a choice between trying to get away with it in a Supreme, or likely bolting up in a Ballymore. After today there shouldn't really be a choice to be made, but I appreciate this is Mullins, which probably explains why he hasn't drifted to a million for the Supreme. |
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With Mr Mullins' charges it's always prudent to follow the market nearer the time; inside info = greed as far as Closutton stable is concerned. It never strays too far away from the truth. Money talks!
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Once Ballyburn steps up to open company I am sure he will be more effective over a trip.
But as a young novice he will have the ability to run in either race. Just like Vautour and Faugheen. I am positive they would have won either race that they ran in. |
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A shocking G1 you would like to have on other side of the water
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This Ballyburn debate is very similar to the debate over which of the two races Appreciate It should have run in.
If he ran in the Supreme I'd be more concerned if it wasn't strongly run, (something he'd have to ensure if it wasn't happening) and he got done by something like Firefox again for a turn of foot. We know the old adage, stayers run in the Supreme and Champion Hurdle types run in the Ballymore as that's the race that is the speed test despite the longer trip. |
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I don't think that Appreciate It was ever a penalty kick for either race. Ballyburn is the best novice of the season, and it would be a big fail not to win a race at the Festival with him. Had he run over the right trip from the outset he wouldn't have been beaten this season. Unfortunately, part of Mullins is still trying to prove that starting point was correct.
As I said yesterday it's only down to the Mullins factor that the debate hasn't closed. He could announce today which way the horses are going. If Ballyburn went Ballymore the ground won't be an issue as he stays further than that trip, and the stable now has at least a couple of chances in the Supreme. That old adage about stamina and speed just isn't true, it's become a lazy statement. If you look at the vast majority of winners of both races (people just like to cherry pick a few winners that suit) there is little evidence to support it. In any case Townend could dictate the speed of a small field Ballymore. |
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Mullins and "trip" is a unique situation. He has so many good horses, that he wishes to keep apart where possible, there simply aren't enough races run in Ireland for him to always run them at their optimal trip. He is happy to run novice hurdlers at any trip to find them a race. He habitually runs novice chasers over too short a trip so they learn to jump at pace, and often only steps them up to the "right" trip at the Festival itself. Given his record, I think we need to say his method works.
As for Ballyburn, I think he wins whichever race he runs in. He was pigeon-holed pre-season as a "Ballymore type", and that seems to have coloured a lot of people's thinking. But the DRF race proved he is highly effective at 2 m. Habitually, Mullins runs his Festival horses in the race he thinks they have the best chance of winning. It's one of those where we'll find out at 10 am on March 10th. |
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I don't want to go over the same arguments, but Ballyburn wasn't pigeon-holed as a Ballymore type, everything about his performances in bumpers (having to be shaken up, and running strongly through the line) and pedigree shouted he was a Ballymore type. He has been favourite for that race from the start of the season. There would have been loads of options to start him off over the intermediate trip, but Mullins just chose to ignore them, resulting in him being palpably outpaced and beaten.
All the DRF proved was he was capable of confirming his bumper form with another stayer, in a poor Grade 1. Basically, he got away with winning a poor race. I would say the approximate percentage chances of him winning would be Supreme 20 (and that might be too generous), and Ballymore 90. |
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Willie knows what he's doing. He may even know more about jump racing and his horses than you do.
However, BB has drifted for the Supreme and shortened for the Ballymore, so maybe Willie reads your posts. |
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Anyone with mega antepost bets maturing at this Festival? Most of mine have hit the deck already with just GDS (several accas from the Flat) and of course Shishkin after the flop of his last visit here.
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The calm before the storm right now with little incentive to bet now until final decs with so much uncertainty about running plans and indeed the ground.
With most bookies offering nrnb, and very poor odds as a consequence, the only really guide is movement on here, but that only takes small amounts of money. The Supreme market is certainly suggesting that Ballyburn is heading there with Mystical Power switching to the Baring Bingham - but that can all change!! Hopefully good news for me as my biggest single position is on Slade Steel for the BB having backed him at 75. ![]() No incentive to second guess what is running in the handicaps as the bookies will be offering similar odds and far more place terms on the day. Obviously it was a shame to hear about Constitution Hill - not in a single bet of mine but the meeting will be much poorer if he is unable to run or blows out if they risk it. On a personal note I finished my 6 cycle (12 sessions) chemotherapy course on Tuesday. Now have a CT scan on Tuesday with a view to having some radiotherapy and then I have to wait 12 weeks before I get a PET scan which will show if there is any live cancer left. |
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All the best Uncle. Fingers crossed.
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best of luck uncle!
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All the best Uncle , ground updates also welcome .
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Best wishes, uncle
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