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Cheltenham Festival
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I don't go along with the race leaving it's mark, certainly not at this stage anyhow, if anything I'm probably more inclined to back MI again at his price now, the race looked a total mess from his point of view and with valid reasons to believe that he is a different horse at Cheltenham I wouldn't be anyway close to writing him off.
I mentioned before that a few weeks ago it didn't even look like he'd be coming over for the KG and I think there might have been an element of APT having to go left handed which meant that he stayed in Ireland leaving MI with no other option but to come over for the KG. |
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I think it's fair to say (after 2 races) Minella Indo is not the horse of last season. However, some pundits are still latching on his big price as an incentive to back in an open renewal; Might Bite springs to mind.
Another one to be dismissed is Chantry House. Not only does he lack tactical speed his jumping went awry when the pace quickened. I believe he's just not good enough; track and going as excuses to save Hendo blushes. |
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Interesting to hear Ruby’s thoughts on the RTC tonight.
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He could,it's possible,maybe,it's too early to say.
That about wraps it up. |
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Its the "dont have a clue syndrome"
Or the " just because I dont know it doesnt mean I'm not entitled to an opinion" syndrome |
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This race is looking like a good betting heat unlike most of the other championship races.
Minella Indo despite his obvious Cheltenham form would take a huge leap of faith to back after his two runs this season. I backed A Plus Tard last season as I like horses who haven't run in the race before. He didn't jump great in the big one last year and I don't see why he should go one better this year. Champ can't be backed judging by his poor jumping in the RSA and his flop in this race last season. As said above I like horses who are Gold Cup debutants and of last seasons novices the two who make most appeal to me are Chantry House and Protektorat. Chantry House' run in the King George was too bad to be true imo. He wouldn't be the first horse to run badly in that race and bounce back in the big one. ( Looks Like Trouble, Imperial Commander, Lostintranslation). Protektorat finished last season with a very good win at Aintree beating The Shunter, who had just won the Plate at Cheltenham, and Hitman. Ran a cracker off top weight in the Paddy Power first time up then strolled home in the Many Clouds. (Admittedly not beating much) Think they offer the value at the moment for a little e/w punt. |
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Think u need the results of last year's festival and where they where housed.
Using the shunter as a form line is a positive as him being a h'capper for the English to find the level there at,unfortunately the Irish have grade 1 horses and the Shunter will never be 1 of those HTH |
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I don't care where a horse is trained. I hate this Brits v Irish crap. I love horse racing and top quality horses. I couldn't care less where they are trained.
Plenty of trainers based in England can get a horse ready to win at the Festival. At present most of the top owners are sending their horses to be trained in Ireland. Not because a horse HAS to be trained in Ireland to win at the festival. |
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The post was nothing to do with Brits v Irish,just the probability of the outcome of the GC,you like debutants but didn't mention Galvin which I found strange,you chose 2 that are trained in GB so I wish you well with that project.
The best advice is to wait as that pair will surely drift to bar. |
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Only didn't mention Galvin is because his price is about right now.
I think Protektorat will run in either the Cotswold Chase or the Denman. A good performance there will see him cut I would think. |
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Ruby thinks al Boum will win it im on at 16/1
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btw brandy is spot on
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I think Protektorat has been flatted by his drubbing of Native River who's been retired immediately after. I believe Protekorat needs to improve at least 10lbs to be considered a serious contender for this race. Another Chantry House perhaps, but Chantry Horse does have a proven superior CV at Cheltenham.
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Another year where you can forget anything trained in England
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PriceWise on the Gold Cup tomorrow
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PriceWise on the Gold Cup tomorrow
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Tom put up Protektorat 12/1
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LATESTDREAMING BIG
Protektorat has 'serious chance' in Cheltenham Gold Cup says owner John Hales. So had one man John |
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Will Protektorat get the trip? He has been mainly campaigned at two and a half miles, although he did of course win over 3m1f last time out, beating the soon-to-be retired Native River.
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Every year its the same, instead of listening to fred knowall why not do your own research, watch the races and form your own opinions ?
Tipsters got lucky once, they live off that. If you knew of a guarenteed winner the last thing you would do is tell the world. |
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A PLUS TARD for me
I think he should have won it last year, as good as Rachel undoubtedly is I don’t think she had her finest hour in last years race, at one point she tried to take him through a gap that wasn’t there and I also think think she put him wrong at two of the fence. |
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A PLUS TARD for me
I think he should have won it last year, as good as Rachel undoubtedly is I don’t think she had her finest hour in last years race, at one point she tried to take him through a gap that wasn’t there and I also think think she put him wrong at two of the fence. |
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some of us do form our own opinions irish .anyway ruby mentioned al boom photo so its cut to 10/1 from 16/1 tom seagull puts up protectorat and its into 10s or 12s i gave it a mention a while back at 20s whatever value has gone now cant see much value left in the race atm ante post so prob wait until the day of race .
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I think most people on here would fo their own opinions, I agree Foyles.
Interesting thing said on that podcast with Barry Geraghty and a fella called Tony, on how much value you can still get on the weekend before the meeting compared with SPs |
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yes just watched that brandy worth bearing in mind.
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yeah i shudda said will wait till the 2 day stage , non runner no bet will come into it and most will get cut again in the next 3 or 4 weeks .
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Whats galvin done wrong ?
Is it because hes irish ? Will the haters be out seething for gordon ? This horse was pointed out as the Irish bankerlast year Ignored by most..... Would have thought we would have learned |
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Nothing wrong with him as far as I'm concerned.
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Galvin is a best-priced 5/1 second favourite. In what sense has he been ignored?
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I’ve backed Galvin after the 2nd to Frodon.
He’s one of only four individual AP bets covering all of Cheltenham I’ve made this year. I’d normally have 30 or 40 bets covering 8-10 horses on average by now. Their is little to no value in any race. Worst year ever. Might as well wait till day of the race than risk horse not running. |
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the 4 championship races are non runner no bet but prices have been cut accordingly agree the firms are taking the pish!
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Not 365 who are NRNB BOG. If you can get on? |
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This b365 crowd
Are they actually a bookmakers in the uk Do they have shops like hi1ls and laddys ?? |
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online only,they used to have a decent phone
service,scrapped it for some reason. |
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thnx penzance
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I too fancy Protektorat and backed him some time ago and the outsider I fancy (no idea if he going here or Aintree) is Fiddlerontheroof.
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Too many too close in the paddy power finish for me
Irish Grade one chasers rarely finish in a maul like that First eight within six lengths ? Sign of poor quality And generally speaking Irish Well ahead of the English at this stage |
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Not sure about that Irishone, it can happen on the old course as you are always on the turn, making it sometimes harder to win from off the pace.
Protectorat was mid div when blundering with one lap to go, so will of been given time over a fence or two before starting to try and improve position. You also need to factor in the Paddy Power is 6 furlongs shorter and on less of a stamina sapping course. The negative then and in the Gold cup will be Harry Skelton is I’ll happily back his horses away from Cheltenham but try to stay away from him due to his judgement of pace at HQ. Another negative is if Protektorat holds his form this season, unlike last, gaps between races could help this though and you’d hope 7 and 6 weeks between Aintree, to Cotswold chase, to the Gold Cup would resolve this. |
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"It can happen on the old course because you are always on the turn"
Can tell you have never walked it mate. Try chester or galway first if you want to be on the turn "always" |
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He finished strongly in the MAckeson under a big weight and then hacked up at Aintree.
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