energumene

think its the elliott thing ,uncertainty of his horses possibly not coming over

yes i think that will be the reason foyles if envoi did not travel {highly unlikely}the marsh would be the easier option,hopefully it does not come to that,betting aside we want to see him race in the arkle.

yes jim hope they all turn up as the arkle is looking the race of the festival .

thought the ballymore was very interesting hard to split the front 3 but yes at the moment the arkle clash looks the highlight.

Gordon wont be there but his horses may be.
Byrnes is still training
Under a different name

Is it possible it can be new name on licence as not fair on the prominent and other owners in the stable

That's not directly at imp

I can see the Arkle being decided at the second last - no matter where they put it that fence on the old course is more often than not the deciding factor over 2 miles. Which is why it is a watch for me.

surely been trained for speed and quick jumping can't go marsh

I can't see how giving the license to someone else in the same stable is going to be good enough, the whole stable is tarnished by this, how are we supposed to know who is innocent and who is guilty.

The video of the young jockey from 4 years ago raises the question that this behaviour is endemic, I mean, who is setting the example that he thinks that behaviour is acceptable.

"The whole stable is tarnished by this"

Jesus wept. The trainer has held his hands up and said sorry it was his stupidity. How can you tarnish anyone else ?

has the marsh been mentioned ? i have not seen anything

around the 8 mark taken for marsh I was going on

must be in case envoi allen doesnt run with the move,i suppose it wouldnt be a shock if he did pull out and he changed races

could be wrong but I would expect Envoi Allen
to run and run in the race he was targeted at.
Cheltenham's a fortnight away,why change the
plan now?

not envoi allen,energumene could switch if envoi allen doesnt run

sorry Gazo
thought you was on about Envoi Allen.

around 3.6 again now

Not flavour of the moment at 4.1 now. I think it's only prudent and wise to back him on the day. The stable is iffy eg French Aseel and Benie Des Dieux. Also, possible engagement in The Marsh despite market indicating otherwise.

i backed french aseel soon after they crossed the line at christmas well aware the horse was trained in a small yard with very little experience of big occasions ,so when a couple of weeks later the horse went to willie mullins it put a spring in my step and the 14/1 was looking even better,oh well thats racing.

He's been matched at 4.7 from 3.8 earlier; £33 in total up to 9.8 with no taker after. But, money for Shishkin.

4.1 4.3 this morning ,bit inconclusive really,it would be a shame if the horse did not run,we are due a good arkle and this had looked like been one.

Out of the Arkle. Not sure details

bollux! that hurts!

ffs yet another weak arkle

thyme hill weak also

A great shame.

Oh dear! Another disgusting incident at Closutton. A drifter the last few days culminating in being matched at 4.7 from 3.8 yesterday. Bingo! He's lame and out of Cheltenham.

Normally I'd commiserate with connections, not this time. His stable stinks: Benie De Dieux, French Aseel and now Energumene, every one 'lay' till confirmation of non-participation a few days later.

does he miss festival altogether?

Yes. Energumene is lame!

i feel a bit lame myself now ,thyme hill 10 to bet 50 to lay if anybody need 2 quid

Think that stayers hurdle is wide open now

ffs somebody took the 2 quid i wonder why the didnt want to lay the 4/1 its been for 3 months.

Met with a setback then went lame. A setback during work? If so, why was it not reported? Why wait till he was lame? In that period Energumene drifted and 'lay' accordingly.

March 1st thread started

pity, shiskin going to have it his own way now

Still a tactically interesting race - Allmankind will likely blast off, and Shiskin seems to race lazily for the first mile (the end of his races is much the best part).

Yes, it just means Allmankind can go that bit slower. Personally, I think he will blow out again and probably not even place. The question for me is whether something can sit in behind the leader and then get the jump on Shishkin. If they do perhaps they can draw a mistake and the favourite might not be able to close the gap. I don't think Shishkin's jumping is as solid as everyone else seems to believe. He has thrown in the exhibition stuff when races have effectively been over. Mid race he looked iffy against Gumball.

swings and roundabouts it a blow for me but take it on the chin ,i had it go my way in the ark and tingle creek so cant complain too loudly

Agree differentdrum. Was the same in the first half of the Supreme.

Usual story in the days leading up to the festival, always lose a big hitter or two, disappointing for the stayers and a disaster for the Arkle

Well put Duffy disappointing and a disaster