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Cheltenham Festival
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Envoi allen
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Or take 2/1 for him to win any race. At the moment the market is indicating The JLT as the most likely destination with The RSA 2nd best; Supreme and possibly Champion Hurdle the most unlikely.
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2/1, where's the fun in that,Impy ?
Anyway, don't want to tie up my fiver at that price 'till March.   |
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I believe that if the same ,or more likely, a naturally improved Envoi rocks up, he will win any race in which he's entered..... yep thats the impression I get as well
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Irish agreeing with someone.... :-0
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I think you find he’s agreeing with himself.
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* you’ll
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Hey,just a minute, I'm not Irish, well I am, but you know what I mean.
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not a market i usually play but for envoi allen fans, slysbet are doing on their nh request a bet specials .........clan des obeux to win this years king george and envoi allen to win any race at the 2021 festival 14/1 ......just saying like .
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envoi could make his chasing debut tommorow at down royal .
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Would he be odds-on for Cheltenham after today? Or will he bomb big time? If so, back to the drawing board...Champion Hurdle perhaps.
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did as expected jumped well nice intro
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Hes rather good this horse.
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he looks very good and may be a class apart in the novice division but his price dont interest me one bit ,the ballymore form has taken some hits what with the big getaway.big breakaway beaten at short odds ,looking through the ballymore not a lot barring the winner has set the world alight ,shan blue has won a couple of ordinary chases . envoi could be the next arkle /kauto but i will be looking for something at a big price each way have my eye on one but it has several options arkle rsa and this so will hold fire for now .
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Im taking him on with Protektorat, was very impressed with him lto.
Was hoping Chantry House would be one, but he needs further imo, but his stablemate who won yesterday may be interesting at the odds. |
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Budd just out of interest why do you think chantry house wants further? I disagree tbh
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Just watching the horse harry.
Yesterday to my eye hes going quicker than he wants to, and his jumping suffers because of that. He was entered over 3m last week,so looks like they are thinking along the same lines. Not sure why they went 2 and a half in the end, maybe the ground? |
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Ive covered for RSA, think thats where he runs at the festival.
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I had a few quid on him last year for supreme at good odds but just not sure I like him now...might be wrong and that ground at Cheltenham was horrific again so can excuse him that run...early days but I don’t think he’s a 3 miler but not sure he’s a top class 2m4f horse...he’s maybe dare I say a bit tripless
It could be that run came to soon as well yesterday..I’ll be able to make a better judgment next time hopefully but I don’t know why but I don’t particularly like him  that ascot run didn’t particularly float my boat so happy just to watch him at the moment but he isn’t my cup of tea at this stage as an individual The trainer has been in and out this season so maybe I’m being to harsh but flinteur sacre was a bitter disappointment as well...I’ll just have to see moving forwards from a betting point of view with his horses |
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Well hes had 2 novice chase runs, and won 1, so its not as if hes been poor.
I will reserve judgement until i see a couple more runs, and over 3m. |
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in terms of cheltenham festival races his runs have been poor,his only rival fell on debut just as he looked like he was coming under pressure and the weekends run was very poor whichever way you look at it
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Appears difficult to handle. Plenty of negatives in his favour, spring horse ? 4 runner tactical race ? Ground ? Henderson's running poor anyway ?
Easy to disregard the odd run this time of year as long as there is a bit of improvement race before festival ? |
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Ok, in terms of beating EA in the Marsh Chase, he has been poor, certainly Saturday.
lets see how he gets on when stepped up to 3m. Irish is correct, easy to disregard the odd run, and hes also right that he has to improve. I am thinking the step up will see improvement. |
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Not running until January.
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any opinions on allart ? i put him up for the arkle and backed him for the marsh before his novice win last week ,hendo seems a bit wary of bumping into envoi ,he may be a class apart but as the saying goes never be afraid of one horse ,he may be pegasuss but test him and see what happens ffs .
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he never was running until punchestown in january sageform i saw all the experts in the post the other day saying how much they were looking forward to seeing him over christmas.
good to see they are putting plenty of homework in for there opinions. |
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I was just passing on a press report, not suggesting there was anything wrong.
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i knew that sageform
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runs next sunday elliott confirming the marsh is the only race he is been considered for .
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1/2 on sunday against Asterion Forlonge and friends. But, the ground is heavy at the moment. He's 'evens' for the main gig. Surely value if heavy ground is no impediment.
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if im reading it right think envoi al will have to give asterion f 11 pound with the grade 1 penalty ,wont be easy imo he could have a race on his hands if both line up .
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i hope he keeps out of the way of that lunatic.
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I'd forgotten about the penalty he'll have to carry. And, on heavy ground a watching brief.
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Jim
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well at least he cant cause any problems up ok.
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pest even as a loose horse.
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