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champion hurdle
sharjah 12/1 koral
not so sleepy e/w 33/1 375,pp.
champion hurdle
sharjah 12/1 koral
not so sleepy e/w 33/1 375,pp.
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Ashleigh would you be kind enough
To provide details
Of everything he has evet tipped up at cheltenham
Because i guarentee you
He is not profitable
To provide details
Of everything he has evet tipped up at cheltenham
Because i guarentee you
He is not profitable
You can't judge a tipster on his Cheltenham bets alone. He gives tips out all year round.
Ah thats o k then
Basically instead of putting on his shoes , going down the bookies and taking money from them he prefers wordsmithing.
No tax, no insurance , just plain cash readily available for him at the top of the road, but for some reason he gets more enjoyment out of writing claptrap about horses.
Who in their right monds cannot see through this ?
Basically instead of putting on his shoes , going down the bookies and taking money from them he prefers wordsmithing.
No tax, no insurance , just plain cash readily available for him at the top of the road, but for some reason he gets more enjoyment out of writing claptrap about horses.
Who in their right monds cannot see through this ?
There have always been, always be tipsters. Papers need them.
Casual Saturday punters love it.
If you were a pro punter and a paper offered you a guaranteed income doing what you are already doing on top of the profit you make anyway, you'd be made to turn it down.
Casual Saturday punters love it.
If you were a pro punter and a paper offered you a guaranteed income doing what you are already doing on top of the profit you make anyway, you'd be made to turn it down.
Exactly.
He wouldn't be a pro punter once he took up that offer.
So the incentive isnt there anymore.
Once you take away the hunger , no point in hunting.
He wouldn't be a pro punter once he took up that offer.
So the incentive isnt there anymore.
Once you take away the hunger , no point in hunting.
I shared a train ride with a sporting press tipster once, he is still dashing around the paddocks for the post, even been on here a few times.....
Between Galway and Dublin he enlightened me on every massive gamble he had engineered and the huge bets he had on DW s melbourne cup winner months before. Upon arriving at Ceannt , (which in the circumstances was very appropriate) i realised he was nothing but a sad aftertimer eeking a living out of the generousity of coolmore and sticking a recording device up the nose of whoever he could at the track.
Between Galway and Dublin he enlightened me on every massive gamble he had engineered and the huge bets he had on DW s melbourne cup winner months before. Upon arriving at Ceannt , (which in the circumstances was very appropriate) i realised he was nothing but a sad aftertimer eeking a living out of the generousity of coolmore and sticking a recording device up the nose of whoever he could at the track.
ashleigh
13 Mar 20 19:20
over the 4 days, 19 selections and NO WINNERS.
ashleigh
19 Mar 21 18:38
final total 2 winners from 22 selections.
13 Mar 20 19:20
over the 4 days, 19 selections and NO WINNERS.
ashleigh
19 Mar 21 18:38
final total 2 winners from 22 selections.
don't keep records of ts selections. claims his ante-post record for profit on investment is.
2019 278%
2020 83%
2021 67%
assume that's for all flat and jumps races, as it sure isn't for cheltenham.
2019 278%
2020 83%
2021 67%
assume that's for all flat and jumps races, as it sure isn't for cheltenham.
Cheltenham is 4 days of the year. If you follow someone who isn't backing the horse he thinks will necessarily win the you have to follow him for 12 months. If thats your thing.
Ts on the champion hurdle.
Quilixios e/w 25/1. (Price for information only).
Quilixios e/w 25/1. (Price for information only).
Does he get the option of no bet? I know a few have come out of the Triumph and ran well subsequently, but Quilixios himself has ran three times since, and been beaten three times since. The form looks light years away from winning a Champion Hurdle. With any each-way bet you have to have some hope that the horse can actually win.
E/W could also mean losing double. The Champion Hurdle is only 3 places too.
Ts on the champion chase
Nube negra e/w 14/1. (Price for information only)
Nube negra e/w 14/1. (Price for information only)
Why put it up
2 winners in 41 selections over the last two cheltenhamd merit that
desperation lads .....there were far better tipsters on here !
2 winners in 41 selections over the last two cheltenhamd merit that
desperation lads .....there were far better tipsters on here !
Ts on the stayers hurdle
Flooring porter 6/1. (Price for information only)
Flooring porter 6/1. (Price for information only)
Ts on the arkle
Blue lord 5/1
Third time lucki 20/1.
(Prices for information only)
Blue lord 5/1
Third time lucki 20/1.
(Prices for information only)
Presumably, he has put up Sir Gerhard for the Supreme. Given that non runner no bet hasn't kicked in this looks a very risky bet. Perhaps the sheep should have stayed in the pen. The logical move would be to go Ballymore. It looks the weaker race, trip shouldn't be an issue, and Mullins has nothing obvious for the race. He isn't a trainer who usually wastes bullets.
Yes, Sir Gerhard for the Supreme. Segal addresses this point directly, He acknowledges many think Sir Gerhard will go to the Ballymore but Segal thinks he will run in the Supreme.
(Segal is not quite alone in this. Separately, Ruby Walsh on the Paddy Power podcast has also said Sir Gerhard looks like a solid 2-miler.)
(Segal is not quite alone in this. Separately, Ruby Walsh on the Paddy Power podcast has also said Sir Gerhard looks like a solid 2-miler.)
Ruby Walsh, the man for whom no dollop of salt is big enough.
Imagine if he was still riding he would be moving mountains to make sure Sir Gerhard runs in the Ballymore. He would be saying he was completely outpaced by Kilcruit and needs a trip.
Let's face it he should have a pretty good idea where all the Mullins horses are going, but does he relay that information? Not likely, he only pipes up to contradict popular opinion. Isn't Galopin Des Champs his other party piece this year? How quickly he has forgotten that when he was riding it was all about the easiest opportunity.
He didn't care two hoots about punters when he was riding, and still doesn't.
Imagine if he was still riding he would be moving mountains to make sure Sir Gerhard runs in the Ballymore. He would be saying he was completely outpaced by Kilcruit and needs a trip.
Let's face it he should have a pretty good idea where all the Mullins horses are going, but does he relay that information? Not likely, he only pipes up to contradict popular opinion. Isn't Galopin Des Champs his other party piece this year? How quickly he has forgotten that when he was riding it was all about the easiest opportunity.
He didn't care two hoots about punters when he was riding, and still doesn't.
Yep, Walsh said that he thinks he has plenty of speed, he cites the Bumper where he points out that many concentrated on the finish where he came back somewhat to Kilcruit, but he suggested that he was entitled to tire after an injection of pace coming down the hill won the race.
He has a point in that regard, they were all in a bunch one minute and by the time they turned in were strung out like washing.
He has a point in that regard, they were all in a bunch one minute and by the time they turned in were strung out like washing.
Ts on the supreme novice
Sir gerhard 7/1. (Price for information only).
Sir gerhard 7/1. (Price for information only).
I think most people were of the opinion that Blackmore nicked the Festival Bumper. What was Walsh's explanation for Punchestown, and the fact Kilcruit has subsequently done nothing for the form. In an average year it might be worth a crack at the Supreme, but this year is it worth running for fourth place when the Ballymore looks a far easier option?
Yes, the whole Sir Gerhard thing depends on second-guessing Willie Mullins on who will run in the Supreme and who in the Ballymore. However, on that note, Segal does say:-
Dysart Dynamo is clearly hugely talented too and given he was quite keen at Punchestown last time, he could easily be the Mullins Supreme horse.
However, he comes into the Constitution Hill category of having beaten much lesser horses on bad ground and the fact that he started his career over two and a quarter miles suggests to me that he should have no problems over the Ballymore trip. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if that was the direction he took.
Dysart Dynamo is clearly hugely talented too and given he was quite keen at Punchestown last time, he could easily be the Mullins Supreme horse.
However, he comes into the Constitution Hill category of having beaten much lesser horses on bad ground and the fact that he started his career over two and a quarter miles suggests to me that he should have no problems over the Ballymore trip. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if that was the direction he took.
That completely ignores Dysart Dynamo's run style to go forward, and race freely. He also has pedigree which would suggest a shorter trip as well. I think the fact he started over longer trip is pretty irrelevant. Things have moved on quite a bit since then.
What are the top horses that Sir Gerhard has beaten? I would say the other three have better form, whatever ground they achieved it on.
It strikes as a very poor case, the sort it might just be worth making for a 33/1 shot.
What are the top horses that Sir Gerhard has beaten? I would say the other three have better form, whatever ground they achieved it on.
It strikes as a very poor case, the sort it might just be worth making for a 33/1 shot.
Dysart dynamo has a half brother that was 3rd in this years Welsh National so not exactly pedigree for two miles.
I would be interested to know the name of that horse as his half sister, Dysart Diamond, has actually disappointed each time she has raced beyond 2m2f.
Interesting that despite their man, Ruby Walsh, putting up Sir Gerhard for the Supreme, they were quite happy to be longest price. Even they don't seem to believe him.
Interesting that despite their man, Ruby Walsh, putting up Sir Gerhard for the Supreme, they were quite happy to be longest price. Even they don't seem to believe him.
Has Ruby put up Sir Gerhard for the Supreme? He's said he thinks SG is a 2-miler but that is not quite the same thing.
If you are that convinced and/or bothered then maybe do an e/w double with DD and SG in the two novice races.
If you are that convinced and/or bothered then maybe do an e/w double with DD and SG in the two novice races.
Hi DD the half brother is Truckers Lodge, trained by Nicholls.
They are both by Westerner, with different dams, but both dams were by Accordian.
Captain cutter who died as a 7 yo is also linked in the same way and had won up to 2m5 on good to soft and heavy when trained by Henderson.
The other notable horse is Pipe’s Eamon An Cnoic who’s best racing post rating came when winning a 2m 4 race on heavy.
It looks like the Ballymore would be perfect on pedigree, and he will be best with cut.
It’s also worth noting that most supreme horses step up to 3 miles in time including Champagne fever also trained by Willie so nothing wrong with 2m at this stage, but it’s just worth keeping this in mind.
Supreme is for stayers, Ballymore for quicker champion hurdle types weirdly, like Faugheen.
They are both by Westerner, with different dams, but both dams were by Accordian.
Captain cutter who died as a 7 yo is also linked in the same way and had won up to 2m5 on good to soft and heavy when trained by Henderson.
The other notable horse is Pipe’s Eamon An Cnoic who’s best racing post rating came when winning a 2m 4 race on heavy.
It looks like the Ballymore would be perfect on pedigree, and he will be best with cut.
It’s also worth noting that most supreme horses step up to 3 miles in time including Champagne fever also trained by Willie so nothing wrong with 2m at this stage, but it’s just worth keeping this in mind.
Supreme is for stayers, Ballymore for quicker champion hurdle types weirdly, like Faugheen.
https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/ruby-walsh-paddy-power-ambassador-shares-thoughts-on-the-cheltenham-novice-hurdles/197966
Tread carefully.
To be considered a half brother you need to have the same dam. Truckers Lodge is the same cross, but might well have more stamina in his pedigree through the female line. I doubt that Dysart Dynamo will go anywhere near the Ballymore for the reasons given, but clearly not that long to go before we find out.
Tread carefully.
To be considered a half brother you need to have the same dam. Truckers Lodge is the same cross, but might well have more stamina in his pedigree through the female line. I doubt that Dysart Dynamo will go anywhere near the Ballymore for the reasons given, but clearly not that long to go before we find out.
That’s strange DD.
I work in the same building as a guy that goes around bragging he has 7 kids by 5 different mums.
I think he’d be heartbroken if you told him they were not half brothers and sisters because it only counts if they have the same mother!
For obvious reasons, I go out of my way to avoid him as much as possible:)
I work in the same building as a guy that goes around bragging he has 7 kids by 5 different mums.
I think he’d be heartbroken if you told him they were not half brothers and sisters because it only counts if they have the same mother!
For obvious reasons, I go out of my way to avoid him as much as possible:)
Imagine how many half brothers there would be by Galileo if you went on that theory Barnes.
It's through the dam.
It's through the dam.
I knew a guy that was sat round his kitchen table with his 5 sons and finally noticed that one looked different to the rest, when he quizzed his Mrs on it she told him it was because that son was his
In horseracing half-siblings have the same dam. Geneticists might disagree but that is the established terminology of the horsey business.
Because sires are, well, studs, they might have hundreds of runners from whom to draw conclusions. They'd probably be more reliable conclusions than guessing on the basis of just two or three (maternal) half-brothers or sisters.
But in racing, we look at the dam, partly because the sire is thought to be a known constant.
Because sires are, well, studs, they might have hundreds of runners from whom to draw conclusions. They'd probably be more reliable conclusions than guessing on the basis of just two or three (maternal) half-brothers or sisters.
But in racing, we look at the dam, partly because the sire is thought to be a known constant.
Ts on the brown advisory novice chase
Fury road 8/1 nrnb (price for information only)
Fury road 8/1 nrnb (price for information only)
I’d agree with regards to following high profile tipsters normally but Fury Road went from hating Leopardstown to winning over Christmas.
To me, that shows a big improvement from his hurdle form and looks a big danger.
The only worry is if the cheek pieces had the desired affect, but will they third time now that the horse is used to them?
To me, that shows a big improvement from his hurdle form and looks a big danger.
The only worry is if the cheek pieces had the desired affect, but will they third time now that the horse is used to them?
dont know what your reffering to Irish with the lemmings comment...if u dont like sir Tom dont bother opening the thread....I feel for Tom atm hes forced to make selections in these races and clearly he not that keen
or if its a refferal to Fury rd in the rsa ,,please share your info Irish? much appreciated
Ts on the ballymore novice
Journey with me 6/1 nrnb. (Price for information only)
Journey with me 6/1 nrnb. (Price for information only)
Ts on the truimph hurdle
Doctor parnassus 16/1. Nrnb. (Prices for information only)
Doctor parnassus 16/1. Nrnb. (Prices for information only)
yes you are,,and getting boring as well...penis of the forum award a given
Sam ffs you could do better than him ld
If he was any good why does he need to prove himself to us ?
If he was any good why does he need to prove himself to us ?
Irish,you are without doubt very knowledgable ,connected and privvy to stuff the average forumite isnt,when your texting your stuff i always take note,,,,Your downside is you like to provoke..incite,,and talk down to people.ive no idea why u have that in you...Tom Segal inmo is the best racing man in the public eye and his tips on here deserve there place,no doubt....If you think hes a **** thats fine .but please dont insult Ash who has been sharing his stuff dilligently for years,...Better you dont get involved in the thread at all....
irishone, don't shoot the messenger, if you don't like TS selections just lay them, you will win some, but lose some.
Cheers sam
The whole concept is fractured
Ash is TS isnt he !
The day TS puts up his time stamped betting slips
Will be the day I will start looking
The whole concept is fractured
Ash is TS isnt he !
The day TS puts up his time stamped betting slips
Will be the day I will start looking
I agree with betting slips,he put 1 up for PP GC ridden by Tabitha for Josh Gifford and was available 70/80 for small £'s at 17.50pm on the Friday and he wasn't backing it.
I know as I wanted to bet it but waited and next day was surprised to see he'd tipped it sophy not sweep up and lay back,only saying like.
I know as I wanted to bet it but waited and next day was surprised to see he'd tipped it sophy not sweep up and lay back,only saying like.
Ts on the ryanair
Conflated 12/1. Nrnb
Franco de Port e/w 50/1. Nrnb
(Prices for information only)
Conflated 12/1. Nrnb
Franco de Port e/w 50/1. Nrnb
(Prices for information only)
The fact you cant see what he is at
Is the problem
He backs a big outsider at 80\1 today
It goes in the paper tomorrow
A day later ashleigh and his pals get on
Price shortens naturally
TS lays off
Job done
Is the problem
He backs a big outsider at 80\1 today
It goes in the paper tomorrow
A day later ashleigh and his pals get on
Price shortens naturally
TS lays off
Job done
That must also apply to Upping the ante with Lynch and Jennings ?
There is no evidence that Segal is front-running Pricewise selections, and some indirect evidence that he is not. His predecessor complained he had to compete with the masses to get prices in the morning, and there have been no whistleblowers from amongst the satchel-swingers.
Thanks Irish 1 for clearing this up only seeing this now,how on earth it needed cleared up is beyond me
of course he gets the best prices and carves em up on the exchange...only because hes been given that job as hes good at it,,,whoever had the job would do the same...and as i said imo he deserves his thread on here....tho i remember he went 0-35 at royal ascot one year,,,then stuck up a 50-1 winner in the big hcap at Newcastle...in the days the bookies used to honour the overnight prices for a short time in the shops...
Of course he gets the best prices ......er exchange the post above highlighted he wasn't using his vacuum HTH
Ts on the mares races
Mares hurdle. Burning victory 10/1.
Mares novices hurdle. Party central. 8/1
No selection for the mares chase
(Prices for information only)
Mares hurdle. Burning victory 10/1.
Mares novices hurdle. Party central. 8/1
No selection for the mares chase
(Prices for information only)
ts on the albert bartlett
falcon eight 20/1 nrnb
shantreusse 14/1 nrnb
prices for information only.
falcon eight 20/1 nrnb
shantreusse 14/1 nrnb
prices for information only.
Ts on the national hunt chase.
Vanillier 6/1 nrnb
Pats fancy 18/1 nrnb.
(Prices for information only).
Vanillier 6/1 nrnb
Pats fancy 18/1 nrnb.
(Prices for information only).
Ts on the handicap hurdles
County hurdle I like to move it 14/1. Nrnb
Coral cup drop the anchor 14/1. Nrnb
(Prices for information only).
County hurdle I like to move it 14/1. Nrnb
Coral cup drop the anchor 14/1. Nrnb
(Prices for information only).
Ts on the handicap chases
Grand annual Amarillo sky. 12/1 nrnb
Plate hcp chase. The glancing queen. 12/1. Nrnb
(Prices for information only)
Grand annual Amarillo sky. 12/1 nrnb
Plate hcp chase. The glancing queen. 12/1. Nrnb
(Prices for information only)
Coral Cup short list for me: Christopher Wood, McFabulous, Guard Your Dreams. All have very high speed figures.
20 selections in 17 races, put them all on one post.
protektorat gold cup 14/1
quillxios champion hurdle e/w 25/1 nrnb
nube negra champion chase e/w 14/1
flooring porter stayers hurdle 6/1
blue lord arkle 5/1
third time lucki arkle 20/1
sir gerhad supreme 7/1
fury road brown advisory chase 8/1 nrnb
journey with me ballymore 6/1 nrnb
doctor parnassus truimph 16/1 nrnb
conflated ryanair 12/1 nrnb
franco de port ryanair e/w 50/1 nrnb
burning victory close brothers mares hurdle 10/1
party central mares novice 8/1
falcon eight albert bartlett 20/1 nrnb
shantreusse albert bartlett 14/1 nrnb
i like to move it county hurdle 14/1 nrnb
drop the anchor coral cup 14/1 nrnb
amarillo sky grand annual 12/1 nrnb
the glancing queen plate hcp chase 12/1 nrnb
protektorat gold cup 14/1
quillxios champion hurdle e/w 25/1 nrnb
nube negra champion chase e/w 14/1
flooring porter stayers hurdle 6/1
blue lord arkle 5/1
third time lucki arkle 20/1
sir gerhad supreme 7/1
fury road brown advisory chase 8/1 nrnb
journey with me ballymore 6/1 nrnb
doctor parnassus truimph 16/1 nrnb
conflated ryanair 12/1 nrnb
franco de port ryanair e/w 50/1 nrnb
burning victory close brothers mares hurdle 10/1
party central mares novice 8/1
falcon eight albert bartlett 20/1 nrnb
shantreusse albert bartlett 14/1 nrnb
i like to move it county hurdle 14/1 nrnb
drop the anchor coral cup 14/1 nrnb
amarillo sky grand annual 12/1 nrnb
the glancing queen plate hcp chase 12/1 nrnb
What that list and those prices show is that by and large, antepost betting is not worth the form study. It's not just Pricewise, it is all the pundits who commit to providing selections on a schedule.
You make a good point Ramruma - TS has to pick a selection for a given race and he has to do it on a particular day, because that is what his paper requires. That puts him at a huge disadvantage compared with us, because we can choose if we want to bet at all, and when we want to bet. People need to remember that when criticising his selections. Frankly, I would not have fancied putting one up for the Champion Hurdle, Ryanair or Turners this year.
Probably meant Zanahiyr who was the only 5yo who was competitive. Most people underestimate just how hard it is for a 5yo to compete with older horses at this level so he is a horse to note for next year.
RP home page (online)claims he had a 10/1 winner yesterday
got quilixios mixed up with zanahiyr.
day 2 0/5
did not mention in the paper today the ch chase selection nube negra.
did not mention in the paper today the ch chase selection nube negra.
Let's take another look at @ashleigh's handy list of Sir Tom's antepost tips on the morning of Gold Cup day.
Triumph Hurdle: Doctor Parnassus tipped at 14/1 now widely available at 20/1
County Hurdle: I Like to Move It 14/1 now 12/1
Albert Bartlett: Shantreusse 14/1 now 12/1
Albert Bartlett again: Falcon Eight 20/1 now 25/1
Gold Cup: Protektorat 14/1 now 9/1
So in only one race, the Gold Cup, has he beaten the price by any significant margin. This is not to have a pop at Sir Tom but at the changed nature of antepost betting and the Racing Post's artificial schedule.
Triumph Hurdle: Doctor Parnassus tipped at 14/1 now widely available at 20/1
County Hurdle: I Like to Move It 14/1 now 12/1
Albert Bartlett: Shantreusse 14/1 now 12/1
Albert Bartlett again: Falcon Eight 20/1 now 25/1
Gold Cup: Protektorat 14/1 now 9/1
So in only one race, the Gold Cup, has he beaten the price by any significant margin. This is not to have a pop at Sir Tom but at the changed nature of antepost betting and the Racing Post's artificial schedule.
over the 4 days, 1 winner from 22 selections, flooring porter.
A complete and utter waste of time
Born on the assumption TS could pick winners
He has provided one a year for the past three years
Only an idiot would follow his advice
...and what a sad fecker Ashleigh must be
Born on the assumption TS could pick winners
He has provided one a year for the past three years
Only an idiot would follow his advice
...and what a sad fecker Ashleigh must be
Ashleigh been posting his stuff for years i hope he carries on...Segal the only tipster racing man i really like to listen to,,what u have to consider with hes ante post selections is hes told a date and a race to give a selection ...i watched him days before the fezzie and he was all over Corach rambler and Brazil..anyway each to there own,,carry on Ash and ignore the irish taunts...
just reading thru the post,,there doing long range best bets for next year,,,one stuck up Zanahiyr 25/1 for stayers which someone posted on other thread and sir Tom reckons 10-1 Lhomme press for the gold cup,take note irishone lol
Wheres the figures ?
Give us a longterm look at all he has put up and the balance.
If he is so good where is the evidence ?
Theres only one piece of evidence on here , a consistent study of his Cheltenham selections and it shows hes a fraud
Give us a longterm look at all he has put up and the balance.
If he is so good where is the evidence ?
Theres only one piece of evidence on here , a consistent study of his Cheltenham selections and it shows hes a fraud
ascot as well..told ya before he 0/28 one royal meeting,,,then nailed a 50/1 winner in the pitmen derby,,,,think u love him on the quiet irish...just keeeping up the persona
His record is very poor on the antepost front but like cobra says he has to put these selections up on a certain day.
Next year we should put a selection up on the same day he has to, and see if we get value and or a winner?
Next year we should put a selection up on the same day he has to, and see if we get value and or a winner?
to many favs and 2nd favs win the graded races looking for value antepost was impossible
Go on ashleigh give us a laugh
Did he get a winner this year
Did he get a winner this year
a 72 page pull out in the paper today on the new jumps season, TS has put up Ahorsewithnoname at 14/1 for the Mares Novice hurdle 2023, Cougar for the Triumph Hurdle at 22/1 and Corach Rambler at 33/1 for the Grand National.
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