Bit of a concern at the start but after that he has controlled the race without it being an easy lead and eventually won a shade comfortably. A stiffer two miles and he would have won even more comfortably. On that evidence no reason to do anything different.

Thanks, I prefer to give straightforward opinions. People can judge for themselves who was covering all bases and then doing a bit of after race fishing?

considering you didn't think it was a very deep race differendrum you must of been a tad disappointed he didn't win more comfortably?

this is a brilliantly non biased thread, it has to be admired

Harry are you putting yourself forward as the only neutral poster on this thread

i try and look at things non biased miltons even if i've had a wager. pointless nailing yourself and ramping, as it's to easy to get things wrong so far away from the meeting without having all the facts, i realise that money talks though and it is certainly talking on this thread which will happen when your dealing with top class horses especially when they are all in the same barn. i've had a bet in the champion hurdle which is unheard for me and could be ramping on here but can't take the pain because in all likely hood i'll get it wrong as the race is brutal

Sorry AP fans just bitter money talk

no i haven't backed envoi allen in the champion i'd give it no chance the speed he jumps his hurdles at this stage of his career. it's all well and good getting loose on another easy lead compared with running against fast champion hurdle horses. i know people will look at the owners and think they would have a stab at the champion but i don't see that myself, yes if he'd won hard on the snaffle today by 10 lengths i'd have a different view but he didn't. they will not like keep making the running with envoi and he'll have to drop in at some point i still see him ending up in a ballymore but can see why people may think he could win a supreme as well but why put him to the sword in that, when the ballymore is there for the taking

If AD wasn't to run in the Neptune then I'd have thought he'd be more suited to go up in trip rather than down, the way he travelled and finished off in bad ground over 20f on a stiff track like Navan suggests stamina allied with a degree of speed is his forte.

To that end I'd expect that Elliott would much prefer to see these two in both the Supreme and Neptune rather than one of those two races not having one of them in, EA for the Supreme and AD in the Neptune looks the best fit, of course AD has it all to prove yet and has to step up in grade before we can really see where we are with him.

another nice opportunity for the dufresne horse tomorrow. elliott entered 6 and runs 2 no doubt to stop the race being reopened...a nice weak race but 2/5 makes no appeal

also nolan has what looks a half decent one .

No mention yet on this thread of how strong AD's debut over hurdles was.
The runner up, Cobbler's Way, won his bumper in hugely impressive fashion and seemed to take to hurdles very well. A huge beast, he jumped fluently, yet had no answer to AD over the final two flights. We have no idea how good a hurdler he might be but there is certainly a case for him being well above average. He was also backed down to 9/2, suggesting confidence.
The third, Alpine Cobra, beaten 16.5 lengths by AD, in receipt of 5lbs, has come first and second subsequently, recording RP's of 124 and 134. Given how easily AD won, this franks the form to some extent and points to AD already being a 150ish performer.

Today will provide more answers but he could have done no more first time out and certainly wasn't beating trees.

Wants put in the supreme speed to burn and a great jumper

Latest Exhibition couldn't beat a 2 miler over 2 miles but he beat one today over 2m4f.

Hope all is well Harry.

How would he know he says he does nothing at home

Could've got 50's for Latest exhibition for the AB a few days ago

Apologies gutfeeling I noticed another poster throwing a little bait out previously on a topic and I couldn’t resist. I actually think it’s pretty bad form so I have given myself a good flogging. Don’t take it personally but you were long odds on to be the first to bite. I have noticed on previous attempts to enjoy this forum that certain trainers were almost untouchable and it was clear that some posters had a close association with certain yards either directly or through friends/associates.

I noticed before that their understandable loyalty manifested in them responding quite disproportionately to posters that dared utter anything resembling a criticism.

For the record I think GE is a great trainer. I also respect people like yourself that share inside knowledge. I am now off to seek wisdom. Perhaps I can get help from the bloke on the ad that recommended the horse whisperer.

i'll be brutally honest and say i thought walsh pushed him out first time and i didn't think there was a whole lot under the bonnet when asked to pick up, he certainly didn't win unextended in a bad race in a slow time

today he once again travelled well and jumped well but nothing under the bonnet which explains elliott taking his other runners out he had entered to leave him with a perfect opportunity. the winner made an horrific blunder and still won so maybe there is something physical with dufresne but you would have to question whether he is any good or he certainly isn't as good as the hype would lead people to believe

in regards cheltenham i don't see it myself and he now how has a million questions to answer and like all novices his next start will tell us a whole lot more. i had a few token pounds for the supreme but i mean pounds not notes but i'd say all bets would be in doubt now just from a class point of view

Oh well that's the Chheltenham dream over for this year, very much doubt he will even run now.

But Don Cossack was well beaten in this race when sent off 8/15 to maintain his unbeaten record and he went on to win a Gold Cup so all is not lost long term.

I hope you're right foyles because another finish like that one and they'll have to rename him Andy Refrain!